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Venice Jim
November 21st, 2009
3:00 pm
Good win, richbrave, Keeper – Richmond kicks a 48 yard FG as time expires for a 13-10 win…
Steve from OH
November 21st, 2009
3:02 pm
Like the Vazquez-for-Hart rumors. After I read that I spent the rest of the day worrying that the Braves were going to do something spectacularly dumb like that until someone de-bunked it.
Keeper
November 21st, 2009
3:19 pm
Amazing – the kid misses 28- and 40-yarders in the first half – after also missing a relatively short one to clinch the Nova homecoming game – but hits a 48-yarder to win this one in his final regular-season game (he’s a senior). Wow, what a way to go out. And good for Coach London for sticking with him, rather than going to the star freshman kicker waiting in the wings.
Times-Dispatch was right in predicting a defensive battle – maybe they’ll prove right in the seeds, too.
I’m guessing y’all will have to go to App – just not sure whether 1st or 2nd round. You should get a home game first, but who knows, given their emphasis on keeping things regional, it just depends on where the rest of the field is traveling from. Either way, I hope y’all topple them and we get that semifinal rematch mentioned earlier!
DirtyYuni
November 21st, 2009
3:25 pm
Y’all got me watching Allmans clips on youtube now. Thought I’d throw these in the mix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FlOJXL4j6k&feature=related
That little riff right around 2:38 is unreal.
And this is one of my favorites. Never gets old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UauECrCIYl8&feature=related
Venice Jim
November 21st, 2009
3:28 pm
Keeper – we can both root for Delaware – a ‘Nova loss wouldn’t hurt either of our teams.
j
November 21st, 2009
3:35 pm
Yea I see those terrible trade scenarios and it makes me worried that we would get low-balled
J-MAN
November 21st, 2009
3:38 pm
Yea I see those terrible trade scenarios and it makes me worried that we would get low-balled. I mean if we had a six-man rotation it would be all that bad. In fact Lowe was a dominant closer back in Boston so I’d like to think that would worst case secenario. We HAVE PITCHING WE HAVE LEVERAGE!!!
Keeper
November 21st, 2009
3:41 pm
Amen, VJ!
DAP
November 21st, 2009
3:46 pm
Randy winn for Atlanta? I don’t see why that would be a good idea. Granted, I’d expect him to put up better numbers than he did last year, but there so many better options on the market for the braves, I don’t know why they would have to go that route. Cameron would cost quite a bit more, but would provide much more with the bat, and better defense. I also would put a big year past jermaine dye in 2010.
Andrew in P-tang
November 21st, 2009
3:47 pm
Sign Dye,and Delgado
Moe Berg
November 21st, 2009
3:48 pm
Doug Glanville’s new column in the NYT gives a nice perspective on becoming a free agent.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/free-at-last/
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
3:50 pm
DAP, I think I interpreted the article that the Braves could easily upgrade in left field considering the kind of production we received from GA last year. Winn would be far better defensively and could register a healthier on base %. But I agree, that I’d rather look for a stronger option. Your boy Cameron, for example.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
3:51 pm
think I would agree with that assessment based on what I’ve seen of LaRoche. Great hands, smooth motions, little range Steve
yeah that would be Adam as I said last season when comparing him and Kotch
Random
November 21st, 2009
4:13 pm
Piedmont Blues (ex-BFIR) (August 13th, 2009 11:43 am): Yeah, Cowherd’s opinionated and arrogant — often wrong, never in doubt — but listening to him can be like watching a high-speed car chase. You really have a hard time tuning out.
Shiite muslim — I’d rather hear the road introduce itself endlessly to my tires. Or Car Talk. Or white noise.
Or silence.
Random
November 21st, 2009
4:18 pm
H3ll faarr — I’m on record as permissively forgiving all typos, grammos and formattos, but even so — an egregious formatto at the top of the page?????
Mea maxima culpa.
McFann O
November 21st, 2009
4:38 pm
Random Mea maxima culpa.
Yeah, I guess so!
Andrew
November 21st, 2009
4:51 pm
braves 2010 lineup
1. Nate Mc cf
2. Prado 2b
3. Jones 3b
4. Dye rf/lf
5. McCann c
6. Escobar ss
7. Derosa 1b
8. Diaz/Heyward rf/lf
Chris
November 21st, 2009
4:53 pm
andrew- i dont think they will sign dye because his defense sucks.
keylargo
November 21st, 2009
5:03 pm
Memo to those who want J. Dye in the outfield:
Last year Garrett had an UZR/150 rating of -16.5. That means his defense gave up 16.5 runs more than the league average outfielder did.
Jermaine Dye’s rating was -24.5. That means his defense was half again worse than GA’s.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
5:05 pm
Mike Cameron would be a good pickup. I truly dont see the Braves adding a true big bopper guy that can hit 30 homers or more. Cameron would be a upgrade on defense and on the bases. He has 20-25 homer power but will lead the team in K’s.
If LaRoche isnt retained we should pursue Nick Swisher who can play 1B and Corner outfield. He is a Switch hitter, with 25 homer power, and has a decent contract.
Soriano and Gonzo will be to expensive but we should offer arbritration to Gonzo knowing we will gain picks. Sign Billy Wagner to be the closer. Gaurentee him the Closer spot thats what he wants.
McLouth 20hr
Chipper 20hr
McCann 25hr
Swisher 25hr
Cameron 20hr
Escobar 20hr break out power year.
Thats enough power to take this team over the hump. Definitly if we have a repeat pitching performance as a team.
Chris
November 21st, 2009
5:09 pm
VaBraveFan- your looking solely at power with acquiring cameron and swisher. both of them wont hit higher than .250 batting average
Andrew
November 21st, 2009
5:10 pm
Anderson is slower then Dye and they signed him last year
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
5:14 pm
Chris
I realize that. But look at this team last year most of the regulars hit very well.
Cameron will add speed and defense which is needed but he also posses the 25 homer power. I’d take that over a guy that can only hit .25 points higher.
Swisher walks a ton, He is like Nick Johnson with Power. Ability to play outfield and 1st base is a plus. Also his contract he makes 5 million this season and 6 million next season. Perfect bridge until Freeman is Ready.
NEW CARS
November 21st, 2009
5:15 pm
If we’re patient and able to trade Lowe for some decent prospects, could we get sign Delgado and Troy Glaus, platoon them at first and let Glaus cover for Chipper when he’s ailing. Then go get Mike Cameron and put him in cf and move nate to lf to improve our defense. Cameron would be okay in the 8 hole. Then you would still have money to do what you needed in the pen and we keep Javy. I nkow we won’t get a ton for Lowe, but I think we can someone that might be lightning in a bottle like Werth has been for the Phillies. GLaus and Delgado would be insurance for each other.
semiballcoach
November 21st, 2009
5:17 pm
if you really want some jamming allmans—-go to their website and buy the instant live cd from the beacon –march 28, 2009….allmans, floyd miles, chuck leavell, paul riddle, bob weir and phil lesh guest on it….20 songs and 8 are between 11 to 20 minutes long
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
5:19 pm
NEW CARS
Big Gamble on those guys. Both cant stay healthy. But they do have the power we need but the team should go a different route.
They’ll hopefully trade Lowe for a prospect or 2 just so we wont have to eat alot of salary.
I also wouldnt mind seeing Jaun Rivera or Mark DeRosa in Atlanta either.
Chris
November 21st, 2009
5:19 pm
well i think having cameron and swisher will lead to alot of strikeouts and alot of streaky hitting. remember, the braves offense was already streaky. sometimes they would score 10 runs for a week, and then they hit a dry spill.
IPayForAOL
November 21st, 2009
5:19 pm
NEW CARS,
I don’t hate it.
keylargo
November 21st, 2009
5:23 pm
McLouth 20hr
Chipper 20hr
McCann 25hr
Swisher 25hr
Cameron 20hr
Escobar 20hr break out power year. VaBraveFan
VaBraveFan – It seems you have omitted the new Braves Home Run leader, Prado The Beast, from your HR predictions.
This year it is Prados turn in 2009 he hit 11 homeruns in 2010 he will hit 26 homeruns AustinBravesFan
semiballcoach
November 21st, 2009
5:25 pm
no delgado
chipper might ought to be penciled in for 15 hrs next year
keylargo
November 21st, 2009
5:26 pm
Can a .400 OBP and a .500 SLG% be far behind for Prado The Beast?
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
5:26 pm
Chris
OK so what’s your solution. Who do think is the right fit in a realistic world. Cause were not getting any Huge Cleanup guy like A.Gonzo or anything. From what i’m hearing and reading these are the possibles
DeRosa injury prone
Cameron k’s low average
Nady injury prone
Swisher K’s low average
Rivera nothing special
Willingham back injury and fielding
Dye cant field
everyone one of those guys have some negatives.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
5:31 pm
semiballcoach
You might be right about Chipper. But i think he shouldnt worry about the homer. He shouldnt try and do to much. Rack up the singles and get lots of key spot hits. Chipper will prolly hit 320. 16 hr 400.+ OBP
He is gonna get his walks and will turn it around this coming season. I’d be nice to see him go for another batting title hell with the homers.
Andrew
November 21st, 2009
5:34 pm
Chris, what do you think the Braves should do?
O.J.
November 21st, 2009
5:37 pm
I say that whenever the Braves call a team about moving Lowe and that team asks for Vazquez, Wren should just say look, we can give you Vazquez at 11.5 for just one year, or we can pitch in the difference of what Lowe and Vazquez make, which is 10.5 million, and you can have Lowe for 3 years at 11.5 million. I mean, I know there are other ways around it, but this could work I think.
NEW CARS
November 21st, 2009
5:52 pm
The thing I like is that all three of those guys can be had for a short-term investment. Maybe give Glaus a second year team option if he stays healthy. He could be a great guy to share time with Freeman if he happens to be ready. Cameron gives us a chance to work Schafer in next year and the future. I like Derosa, but I don’t know that I’m excited about hooking any of those guys of that ilk up for 2-3 years. Look at the Cubs and Bradley, and to a lesser extent, the phillies and Ibanez. I wouldn’t want 2 more years of Ibanez at that price. I don’t want a repeat of Garrett Anderson, we didn’t tie up a spot for a long time with him.
I say offer arbitration to both relievers, if they accept, so be it. If they don’t, then we get some more draft picks to replenish with. In a perfect world, the Angels would lose Lackey and trade Brandon Wood and Terry Evans (homeboy from my neighborhood in Dublin, Ga. for D Lowe. Wood would be our long time replacement for Chipper and Evans could be insurance in Gwinnett.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
5:53 pm
with their tight finances, I doubt that the Braves are gonna eat 10 million dollars.
Jimmy Joe
November 21st, 2009
5:58 pm
LF McLouth
2B Prado
3B Jones
C McCann
CF Cameron
1B Branyan
SS Escobar
RF Diaz
HomeofdaBrave
November 21st, 2009
5:58 pm
Chris
OK so what’s your solution. Who do think is the right fit in a realistic world. Cause were not getting any Huge Cleanup guy like A.Gonzo or anything. From what i’m hearing and reading these are the possibles
DeRosa injury prone
Cameron k’s low average
Nady injury prone
Swisher K’s low average
Rivera nothing special
Willingham back injury and fielding
Dye cant field
everyone one of those guys have some negatives.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
5:26 pm
Realistically, not one of those guys will put the Braves over the hump. So realistically, we should be expected another 3rd place finish. So why bother?
….Being realistic sucks.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:01 pm
I say offer arbitration to both relievers, if they accept, so be it NC
I agree. we can be pretty certain that Gonzo didn’t sign with Boras just to accept arb, he could have done that with his previous agent. It’s about as close to 100% that he wouldn’t take it as things can get. I doubt Sori will take it either.Ranked as hig as he is he is bound to get a multi-year deal at around 9/10 per. If he did accept by some miracle I could live with that rather than say spend nearly the same on Wags and give up a pick too.
They have been very conservative ever since the Maddux incident though. They didn’t offer Drew or Shef arb, even though it was a given they were gonna get longer deals. we’ll see. If we lose them both, it is gonna hurt a bunch
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:06 pm
HomeofdaBrave
Not one, 2 of those guys can put us over the hump.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:09 pm
Nolie
Offering Arb. to Soriano would mean he would make around 8 to 11 million next season since he will definitly get a raise. Thats why they wont risk offering.
Gonzo will be around 5-6 million if he accepted arb.
LaRoche will be around 8-11 million as well.
DAP
November 21st, 2009
6:09 pm
Does UZR compare you to other players at your position? I ask because dye’s UZR may have been better if he were playing left instead of right field. There are plenty of left fielders with poor range, so dye might compare favorably to other left fielders.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:11 pm
Not one, 2 of those guys can put us over the hump
they aren’t gonna sign two OFers which those guys are. If they lose Roachie they aren’t gonna replace him with anybody who will hit like Adam did for us last year, probably not even close. Let’s hope he can swing a trade for somebody decent
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:15 pm
Offering Arb. to Soriano would mean he would make around 8 to 11 million next season since he will definitly get a raise. Thats why they wont risk offering. Va
I would be fine with tha considering the alternativest, but the odds are so far against him taking one year of arb that I think they would be remiss not to offer it. The guy is gonna get two or three years for close to what he will get at arb, why in the world would he accept? Cowardly dastards
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:15 pm
nolie
Cameron and Swisher would fit really well as i explained. Heyward will be called up soon which will also help.
Swisher is a Natural 1B , cheaper than LaRoche and under contract for 2 more season. Yankees already let it known that he is availible.
Andrew
November 21st, 2009
6:17 pm
haha Notre Dame sucks
P. W. Hjort
November 21st, 2009
6:17 pm
Does UZR compare you to other players at your position? I ask because dye’s UZR may have been better if he were playing left instead of right field. There are plenty of left fielders with poor range, so dye might compare favorably to other left fielders.
Yes. A UZR score is relative to the average at your position. And I think your right, Dye’s fielding numbers probably look a lot rosier if he played LF last year instead of RF. I don’t think that makes him average or anything, though.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:21 pm
nolie
that makes sense with Soriano, but you never know how the market is gonna be. It makes sense for him to get a huge 3 yr deal making 10 a year or so, but anything can happen. paying a Closer 10 mil a year doesnt help the braves.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:22 pm
Does UZR compare you to other players at your position? I ask because dye’s UZR may have been better if he were playing left instead of right field. There are plenty of left fielders with poor range, so dye might compare favorably to other left fielders.
as Bill James himself says, defensive stats though improved are still about 25& less reliable that H/P stats. That is too much wiggle room to try to match one player up against another with any certainty. These are still the same metrics that clain Jeter is the worst Ss in baseball and that LaRoche ranks at the bottom of FBmen. Don’t put too much emphasis on what any of them say yet. Over a three year span they can give you some idea, but it still ain’t fine-tuned all that much yet.
I like the Fielding Bible vote as much or more than anything, cause you have voters from several different disciplines evaluating together in a way
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
6:24 pm
offering Arb. to Soriano would mean he would make around 8 to 11 million next season since he will definitly get a raise.
I think Soriano is making 9 million at most through arbitration, and honestly, I think he is going to get three year offers for at least 7 million per year. 1 year deal of 8 or 9 million, or 3 years and 21 million? I think he goes with the multi year deal. Not to mention, he has exactly one week to decide. I hope Wren offers arb. to all players.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:26 pm
I’m not a fan of the UZR, i just use my eyes.
Steve from OH
November 21st, 2009
6:27 pm
I’d tender arb to Soriano, Gonzo, and LaRoche. If any of them accept it’s fine, if not, draft picks!
I’d address 1B first, hope to find our middle-of-the-order bat there, then look to our bullpen, and after that is set, if we have cash left (or if we’ve traded Lowe to free up cash), we can try to sign Cameron to a one-year deal or acquire another OF.
AustinBrave
November 21st, 2009
6:27 pm
KeyLargo- I do think Prado will have a break out year, but I sure hope someone will hit more than 26 homeruns. We need two 30 homerun guys to keep up with Phillies.
Steve from OH
November 21st, 2009
6:28 pm
I’m not a fan of the UZR, i just use my eyes.
Your eyes lie. I use UZR and fielding bible in conjunction with scouting reports (emphasis on the latter). Gather as much data as you can. That’s the only way to evaluate defense in my view.
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
6:28 pm
The guy is gonna get two or three years for close to what he will get at arb, why in the world would he accept?
I agree. I haven’t seen too much written that he has as much interest as Gonzo has, but I bet it’s close to 10-15 teams. And again, if the Braves are willing to sign Wagner for at least 5 million and give up a pick, why not just keep Sori for 8-9 mill and keep all of your picks.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:32 pm
Steve from OH
I do check it out from time to time. But it doesnt make sense sometimes.
But u gotta to admitt that it does show Great fielders as bad fielders. LaRoche in the back of the pack when it comes to fielding is a complete joke. I do refer to it, but i think watching the player shows u all u need.
Andy K.
November 21st, 2009
6:32 pm
According to Baseball America, Braves released Brian Barton and resigned Minor League good-guy Wes Timmons. I’ve met Timmons a few times when he comes to Rochester to play the Wings, and he seems like a cool dude, been playing for years and If I remember correctly teaches elementary school in the off-season. I don’t think he’s near ready to be a consistent major league starting 3B, but maybe he’ll get his moment in the sun in 2010.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=7109#more-7109
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
6:32 pm
I’m just hoping that this comment from Bowman is an indication that they are leaning towards offering both Gonzo and Sori arbitration:
Gonzalez and Soriano, who will draw attention from a number of clubs seeking a closer, are also Type A free agents. It now appears the Braves may be comfortable offering arbitration to both of these veteran relievers. By doing so, they would put themselves in position to gain the draft-pick compensation that would come if they were to sign elsewhere.
ncgary
November 21st, 2009
6:34 pm
one reason they arent worried about all the picks is signing bonuses. remember liberty media is a corporation accountable to shareholders. sux doesnt it
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:34 pm
Kieth Law from ESPN says Soriano should be asking for a simaler contract that Fransico Rodrigez got from the Mets. 3 yr 36 million.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:35 pm
Swisher is a Natural 1B
not sure why you would say that. He played 7 games at first in the minors, and has only started 190 in the bigs. I’m not sure how that makes him a natural FBman. I will admit I don’t think I’ve everseen him play it, so I can’t say he’s bad or good
P. W. Hjort
November 21st, 2009
6:36 pm
Your eyes lie. I use UZR and fielding bible in conjunction with scouting reports (emphasis on the latter). Gather as much data as you can. That’s the only way to evaluate defense in my view.
Yep.
Andrew
November 21st, 2009
6:37 pm
Phillies would be wise to go after Gonzo or Soriano
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:38 pm
Your eyes lie
bologna. they don’t lie if you know what you’re looking at. as opposed to “lies, damn lies, and statistics”
Steve from OH
November 21st, 2009
6:41 pm
But it doesnt make sense sometimes.
But u gotta to admitt that it does show Great fielders as bad fielders.
I don’t agree with this. The only way you can tell if someone is a great fielder is if you have trained eyes and the opportunity to see that player play often. In my case, and (I’m assuming) yours, we don’t meet these criteria. And that’s no insult. I’m not a scout, and I don’t see guys like, say, Derek Jeter or Michael Cuddyer or Jermaine Dye play nearly enough to make any sort of judgment on their abilities. Do you? And often, especially in the case of Jeter, his abilities as a fielder are misconstrued by overzealous media types that really don’t know their rear ends from a foul pole. So even in that case, you’re not hearing a scout’s view on that player’s fielding abilities. And then you get some idiot Yankees fan bashing UZR because it says Jeter is a below-average SS but Mike Lupica has beaten it into his head that not only is Jeter the clutchiest player in the history of clutch, but he’s also a defensive whiz, know what I mean?
What’s left, then? Statistics. Statistics are an unbiased measure of performance. Moreso the hitting and pitching ones (LOL), but the fielding ones are much more objective than our eyes. And even if you don’t agree with what it tells you, you should consider it, no?
Use both, and you can’t go wrong in my book. I’ll consider what my eyes tell me, but I’ll rarely trust them.
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
6:41 pm
Kieth Law from ESPN says Soriano should be asking for a simaler contract that Fransico Rodrigez got from the Mets. 3 yr 36 million.
Yeah, but in a chat later on that day, he said that doesn’t expect him to get that much. Just that he should ask for that much because he has similar ability, if not better.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:44 pm
nolie
He came up a 1st baseman as with the Athletics. 249 career games at 1b. 11 errors at 1b. Yes he played alot of Outfield to. prolly not a natural but he can field the position.
Career 249. hitter but averages 26 homers a year. and has a 357. OBP. and .460 SLG also stays healthy 4 consecutive season’s with 150 gms or more played.
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
6:45 pm
I’m just interested to see if the Red Sox or Yanks offer either Sori or Gonzo a large deal to become a set up man. If the Yanks move Joba and Hughes to the rotation, as expected, then it would be wise to sign one. Their bullpen would be Robertson, Bruney, Marte and Coke. Good arms, but all of them come with questions, mainly on the health side. Red Sox are most likely losing Saito and Wagner to free agency. Delcarmen and Bard are nice righties out of the pen, but they are team who would do well to sign a lefty like Gonzo.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:45 pm
I think Sori should get 3/25to 3/29 or so
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:47 pm
Stevo from OH
I do use the UZR. I’m just saying I used to watch every Braves game that came on TBS and LaRoche is a gold glove caliber 1st baseman. And shouldnt be mentioned in the back end of fielding 1stbaseman. Yes UZR is a good resourse, i’m just not a big fan of it.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:48 pm
249 career games at 1b
191 starts. ok like I said I can’t judge since I haven’t seen him,I guess I’ll have to rely on then lyin’ stats The ones that say that Adam is 26th worst FBman, you know those ones
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:50 pm
Dont need UZR to determine Adam Dunn as a bad fielder. lol. Watch him for a few games. I get to watch the Nats all the time almost every game comes on where i live and Dunn is terrible.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:52 pm
LaRoche is a gold glove caliber 1st baseman Va
nah, not enough range, but very smooth so he looks great out there but he ain’t in the bottom ½ dozen or so either
DAP
November 21st, 2009
6:53 pm
PWH, maybe moving dye to left wouldn’t make him look average, (because he was WAY below average) but maybe it would at least make him look better than Anderson…
semiballcoach
November 21st, 2009
6:53 pm
if you ask chipper to be singles hitter, those groundballs are potential double plays
soriano at 8-11 million giving up hrs in 9th won’t be acceptable
J-MAN
November 21st, 2009
6:54 pm
Maybe the Yankees would be scared off to invest in a Braves pitcher. Jared Wright and Steve Karsay come to mind.
J-MAN
November 21st, 2009
6:55 pm
Maybe the Yankees would be scared off to invest in a Braves pitcher. Jared Wright and Steve Karsay come to mind……….. Oh yea add Kyle Farnsworth to that last.
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
6:55 pm
I think Sori should get 3/25to 3/29 or so
Yup, I think he will get something like 3 years and 24 million. Wouldn’t the slow moving market give the Braves an advantage in a situation like this too. I mean, Soriano and his agent are going to have a week to decide if they should take the one year arb. offer. Decemeber 7th is the last day. That’s the first day of the Winter meetings. Although, I’m sure he and his agent already have a pretty good idea of the types of offers he will receive.
J-MAN
November 21st, 2009
6:56 pm
Maybe the Yankees would be scared off to invest in a Braves pitcher. Jared Wright and Steve Karsay come to mind……….. Oh yea add Kyle Farnsworth to that list.
nolie
November 21st, 2009
6:56 pm
they all blow saves. Sori is the best available so 8-9 ain’t unacceptable at all-except in the context of the Braves being basically cheap
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
6:57 pm
semiballcoach
When he won his batting title, he wasnt trying to do to much. he was just hitting the ball where it was pitched. His injuries prevented him from hitting with power. What i’m saying is i rather him hit for a very high average (310-340) than say hit 25 homers with a 260 avg.
Efrim
November 21st, 2009
7:00 pm
soriano at 8-11 million giving up hrs in 9th won’t be acceptable
Soriano had an extraordinary year, imo. He has an injury history, but a one year 8 million dollar deal would be more than fair for the Braves. Even if you are trying to add a power hitter, you know you are eventually going to deal Javy or Lowe, so they should be able to afford him.
Steve from OH
November 21st, 2009
7:02 pm
nolie beat me to it, VaBravesFan. He’s average at 1B. Great when it’s hit right at him, doesn’t move much either way.
P. W. Hjort
November 21st, 2009
7:03 pm
You know, Loaf wasn’t good in the field last year, but he wasn’t that bad. It wasn’t like having Adam Dunn out there. Loaf did some things well, despite his limited range and lackadaisical approach. At any rate, it would’ve been much easier to stomach if he had hit .250/.340/.453 like Jermaine Dye did or .267/.398/.529 like Adam Dunn did and not .268/.303/.401.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
7:05 pm
P.W. Hjort
Yeah Dye being paid 12 million and Dunn 10 million compared to 2 million for Loaf you get what you pay for.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
7:10 pm
This organization is so cheap. when it comes to the offense. We couldnt outbid the Angels on a 1 year 5 million deal for Abreu
Abreu better all around player than Loaf. The Braves wouldnt pay 6 million for these kinds numbers.
293. avg 390. obp 435. slg 15 homers 103 rbi 30 SB also better fielding/arm than Loaf.
Put Abreu on Atlanta’s 2009 roster we would have been in the Playoffs.
keylargo
November 21st, 2009
7:10 pm
Nolie – Can you send me a copy of the “Fielding Bible”?
Seriously, there is not any online access to the Fielding Bible is there?
keylargo
November 21st, 2009
7:13 pm
That is a SERIOUS blunder by LSU. Ran out of time trying to ground the ball when they could have tried a field goal.
CB
November 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
PWH,would you tell me what Loaf did well in the field? I would like to know if my eyes were deceiving me.
jeffrey d
November 21st, 2009
7:16 pm
I don’t get why it took them 10 seconds to call a timeout
jeffrey d
November 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Les Miles is a great coach, so you gotta just call it a bonehead moment. But that was horrible.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
That is why this offseason all we haer about is were gonna get a good bat or 2 for this offense. Cause last years plan failed. We went into the season Pretty much letting Frenchy be the make or break player for the team. paying 2 million for Loaf who i thought did a good job for the amount of money he was making. We knew what we were getting in him. But why not go out and sign A guy with a proven track record like Abreu at a cheap price of 6 million!!! 11 consecutive seasons with 20 or more SB 8 of those seasons having 100 rbi and 20 or more homruns. You klnow what your getting in a player like him. Which is why were not going into next season saying Heyward is gonna be out new big hitter cause we cant do that.
jeffrey d
November 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
Anybody see that time Adam Dunn, from the outfield, made a rally throw that landed about 6 feet in front of him?
keylargo
November 21st, 2009
7:22 pm
The Braves stated goal going into 09 was to sign 2 pitchers and an outfielder. Where things changed was when the Vazquez trade came through, Lowe accepted his offer and Kawakami accepted his offer. Three pitchers and no outfield and most of the money spent. We got GA only after Griffey bolted and yes Abreu could have changed the season. But as you saw with what we went through with Glavine, money was tight.
Tomahawkin
November 21st, 2009
7:24 pm
Any word of what’s gonna happen to K. Johnson…If I’m not mikstaking he will be due for an Arb. raise for this upcoming season. I’m suprised I haven’t heard his name mentioned on mlbtraderumors.com…
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
7:30 pm
keylargo
yeah its a shame… ownership knows nothing about baseball. As much as we hate the Yankees at least there owner cares and wants to win. They just go to the next extreme is all. If there so worried about attendance and stuff a winning team will change that. Which cost money. With prolly the best pitching staff in baseball everything was still bad in attendance. People want to see offense. People dont want to see atlanta’s pitchers throw 7 and 8 innings only giving up 2 or less runs and losing night in and out.
tdmorgan
November 21st, 2009
7:31 pm
Tomahawkin, thats because more than likely KJ is going to be non-tendered, you don’t need a bench guy making anywhere from 3-5 million, thats why Church might be non-tendered as well
jeffrey d
November 21st, 2009
7:33 pm
I’ve said it before…ownership is dishing out nearly $100 million a year – in the middle of a recession and with low attendance, mind you – which ranks among the league’s best.
I got no problem with that.
VaBraveFan
November 21st, 2009
7:33 pm
Tomahawkin
There gonna try and trade Kelly Johnson. If they cant find a taker he will be non tendered and released to free agency. If offered Arb. he will definitly accept and be making around 4 million. And as a bench player or possibly a minor leaguer thats way to much. But someone might take a chance on him. I read somewhere (i forgot) that the Cubs have interest in KJ as a utility guy.