12:05 am November 17, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 20th, 20093:23 pm
Andruw Jones? no, this is 2009, not 2000
November 20th, 20093:24 pm
Wagner had good numbers coming back. To dismiss him would be to dismiss Hudson. Similar injuries. Having Wagner could help slow some of them big bats in the division.
November 20th, 20093:25 pm
One problem with that P’cola, The Braves do not want McCann batting clean-up.
November 20th, 20093:27 pm
Right. I agree hes more of a 5 guy but realistically what 4 hitter will we acquire? I don’t see them getting serious for Gonzalez and there really isn’t any free agent outside of Bay or Holliday that could do it. Maybe Ludwick but i dont know how we match up w/ the Cards.
Macon Braves (RIP)
November 20th, 20093:28 pm
I suppose you think Schafer and Prado are too much for Roy Halladay as well! That won’t even get you a sniff of Halladay!or Gonzalez.
The intelligence continues to ooze from Joebrave’s comments… Of course that wouldn’t be enough, they would surely demand Lowe in that deal as well…duh!
November 20th, 20093:29 pm
N8, yes we can always count on Joebrave to come back spewing absurdities, injecting race into everything, and generally ruining the conversation.
It won’t continue much longer, I can assure you.
By the way, anyone who suggests that the Hawks sell out every night, or have even come close to selling out most nights for the past decade or so, loses all credibility when it comes to discussing Atlanta and sports in the city. Period.
It says on Facebook that Jeff Lyman (Monte Vista HS Danville, CA) has been named to the 40 man roster…is that official?
My biggest concern with that lineup is that it’s not noticably better than last year’s lineup, and I’m not sure it’s good enough to put the Braves in the playoffs. I do like the idea of Nady, but I think you’ve got to add a bigger bat than LaRoche if Nady is the plan in LF. I also don’t think Escobar will be quite as good this year with RISP, because I’m not sure it’s humanly possible to have the same success he did last year in that situation.
Also, I’d swap LaRoche and Nady in this lineup to give you a better L-R mix…you could go L,R,S,L,R,L,R,R through the lineup (and the last “R” could be an L/R if Church and Diaz platoon).
November 20th, 20093:31 pm
NorCal: Yes, Lyman, Hyde and three other pitchers were added to roster yesterday or last night, even though Braves haven’t announced it yet. They were thinking about adding a sixth player and wanted to do it as one announcement at some point today.
November 20th, 20093:32 pm
My ideal addition at 1b would be Jorge Cantu, but I really doubt the Marlins would be willing to make a trade within the division.
November 20th, 20093:33 pm
I don’t know how good Nady’s defense is a first. I know he plays it but how well not sure. Maybe him at first and Ludwick in Left if you dont go Laroche. Theres really no super solution as far as bats this year. Realistically that is.
Before last season, the Hawks probably hadn’t sold out a game (unless the Lakers were in town anyway) since Mookie Blaylock and Steve Smith were manning the backcourt at the Omni. I loved when Mookie would make a shot or get an assist and the PA guy would do the Moo-Moo-Moo-Mookie.
St.Louis actually matches up pretty well with atl, due to the fact that Wellmeyer, Smoltz, and Piniero are all going to be gone.Leaving only Carpenter, Wainwright, and Lohse as Starters, but do you really want to strengthen their rotation?
November 20th, 20093:34 pm
Let’s not forget Glaus and that stupid contract gone as well!
RC, I agree with you on Cantu — would be a good option, though I don’t think Marlins will trade him to Braves. But you never know.
November 20th, 20093:36 pm
They wouldn’t take Lowes contract but maybe Vazquez. Either way you have to free up some of that money. I know they liked KJ before but I don’t know if he would be of any interest now.
If the Braves can’t get Laroche with a two year deal, I’d like to see them go after Derek Lee personally. I don’t know what it would take (which of course be the deciding factor on getting him) but I love his game (when healthy at least, which would be the only drawback I would think other than the trade cost).
Oh, thanks, I guess the locals here are excited to finally get a major leaguer from Monte Vista as the other high school here in town has Nate Schierholtz and Randy Winn on the Giants.
November 20th, 20093:38 pm
Cantu would be great but I thought I saw somewhere that they would be reluctant to move Cantu, especially if they move Uggla.
DOB, that was not my intention at all. and ruining a conversation was the last thing I was attempting, I merely posted a speculation of trading for Phillips. that was all.No other agenda was intended.
November 20th, 20093:39 pm
What does Cantu provide better than Laroche? And it has to be significantly better since we’d have to trade something to get him.
November 20th, 20093:40 pm
RCMy ideal addition at 1b would be Jorge Cantu,
and folks say my standards are low for wanting mike cameron. cantu is not that good, cetinly not nearly as good as adam laroche. i think if we get someone other than laroche for 1st base, it needs to be an improvement.
From talks so far, How much do you think the Braves would have to eat of Lowes salary to move him?
November 20th, 20093:46 pm
Here is hoping that Lackey goes quickly, and the Cards push the panic button, I doubt it but the way this economy is who knows.
Ok anyone watch the show community. The idea that race is a factor in bringing fans to a game reminds me of the human being mascot for the community college(trying to make the mascot look like all races and failing). It is such a dumb idea its funny.
November 20th, 20093:48 pm
Cantu seems to be a pretty solid player, but his value (to me) is that he can play all over the place. Not a plan A guy, but a decent contigency plan. Sure, he’s not a great fielder, but neither are Prado and Infante.
November 20th, 20093:49 pm
itcouldbeworse – that was a funny episode. They ended up with that really creepy, half-dead looking thing…
I thought infnate played well considering all the positons he played on the field…am I the only one
Actually Cantu is almost as good a hitter away from Dolphin stadium as he is in it.
Wayne in Utah
November 20th, 20093:51 pm
Suffice it to say, some folks are just looking to be offended. Take a look in the mirror. It ticks me off when folks pull out the R card at the drop of the hat. AND Macon, YOU are the one that pulled the race card. Joe and I are just making statements about situations, that happen to be true.
And ugaaccountant, should I not be friends with someone because they have an opinion of a situation, that probably has a basis in fact? You would have been better off to just kept out of it.
November 20th, 20093:52 pm
Cantu would be a solid bat in the middle of the order but would you be giving away to much defense to add him. If you do add him you could add Nady to left and come up with a very solid lineup. You may not win the division but the wild card would be attainable.
November 20th, 20093:55 pm
Do you mean Cantu is almost as mediocre a hitter away from Dolphin stadium as he is in it?
He’s about as average a player as you can find. I refuse to call that “good”, especially since he plays a traditonal power hitter position.
November 20th, 20093:57 pm
No offense meant Wayne. Just trying to throw a concept out there, racism should not be acknowledged or discussed anymore. It’s ignorant behaviour that civilized people just shouldn’t be participating in.
itcouldbeworse – Infante’s about average in the field. I do remember him making some really nice plays (at 2b, maybe?) last year. Anyhoo, there are people here a lot more knowledgeable about fielding than me.
November 20th, 20093:59 pm
Cantu .310 at home. .267 on the road. how is that mediocre, hr spplits are 11 at home, 8 on the road rbi basically the same.
November 20th, 20094:00 pm
I’d almost rather have Ross over either cantu, or Uggla.
November 20th, 20094:01 pm
Cantu also has good averages against division opponents except the Mets.
Everyone has to be realistic. We’re not going to get Bay, Holliday, Fielder, Gonzalez, D. Lee, Youkilis to fill our cleanup spot. Wren is going to have to be creative in the way he fills the lineup.
Wayne—You go back and find where I brought up race in the discussion. Go find it!! I wasn’t the one that made the “The Giraffe in the room” statement, now was I? It ticks me off when people bring the race card out and then act like they weren’t using the race card.
November 20th, 20094:02 pm
We passed on our clean up hitter last year when Dunn was available.
And Wayne—I didn’t say anything to you about race. You tried to defend Joe by saying that he hadn’t said a racial biased statement. I simply pointed out you were WRONG about that. Looks like you were the one looking to be offended.
November 20th, 20094:04 pm
Not that I love Cantu or anything, but he did almost reach that magical 30-HR, 100-RBI plateau that everyone here seems to think will solve our problems. He got 29/95 in 2008, and 28/117 in 2005. Dang, just short…
I’m just saying, if it comes down to moving Prado/Diaz/McCann/KJ/Chipper/Infante, or others mentioned here, to 1st I’d rather pick up a guy like Cantu.
November 20th, 20094:06 pm
November 20th, 2009
DAP in their eyes Phillips is a superstar, so it may be likely that they would want more, not saying they will get it though.
However, it may help the attendance in Atlanta to have Phillips, and Heyward in the Line-up.
and I am caucasion, so no it’s not a race play. just saying.
Macon Braves (RIP)
November 20th, 2009
I think Heyward and Brandon Phillips in the lineup immediately increases attendance
Huh? Heyward might sell some tickets, but how does Phillips sell tickets? He’s NOT a superstar or anything. Maybe his family and friends would come watch him, but wouldn’t he be giving those tickets away to them usually? Not seeing the logic here that Brandon Phillips is going to increase attendance. Makes no sense
November 20th, 2009
Macon, since you obviously have no clue about Atlanta, the population there is 70% African-American, thereby increasing the probability that Attendance will increase! is that clear enough! and yes I have given up on Radar Schafer, I watched him at Myrtle, and saw Him in Atl. He ain’t got it never will have!
OK WAYNE—Who brought up the race card??????? WHO!?!?!?!?
November 20th, 20094:07 pm
Scott Podsednik anyone?
What about Juan Riviera from the Angels. He posted a .287/.332/.470 with 25HR, 88 RBI in 130+ gms.
November 20th, 20094:10 pm
Add maybe Nady, Laroche, or Ludwick and you could get good production. I know I’m suggesting Nady alot. I think he is as solid player and would be a good fit in Atlanta.
November 20th, 20094:11 pm
November 20th, 2009
And Really Macon, you don’t think attendance would increase, go around Turner field sometime, and ask the locals why they don’t go!
Am I missing his point Wayne???? Did I post this?
Here are two guys who argue that Cameron is the second-best RH hitting OF available. Better than Bay, and cheaper.
November 20th, 20094:12 pm
How bout let it drop guys, I never meant for anyone to be offended, sheesh okay Phillips is a bad idea, all I was doing was posting a trade idea, no offense meant, good grief, I love the Braves they are my team, have been for 39 years, longer than even the local beat reporters have been around, I will support them even if no additional moves are made, and Schafer has to play first, dadgum!
I see Andruw is being drug off a barstool down at the Topless bar again. Why would anyone think he is the answer to any of the Braves needs? It is just beyond reason. Since he left the Braves in 2007 he has these numbers. .190/.295/.369/.665 with 148 strikeouts in 569 PA For this production, he has been compensated approximately $36 million dollars.
Here are the complete stats if you are not convinced.: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jonesan01.shtml#2008-2009-sum:batting_standard
November 20th, 20094:13 pm
I like Rivera p’cola, but duck here comes the fire at you on that one ….
What about Matt Stairs off the bench. A career PH with good power.
November 20th, 20094:15 pm
Still think it will wind up being Ludwick for Lowe however.
November 20th, 20094:16 pm
Maybe Riveria and relief help for Lowe. We would have to maybe eat some contract but It gets us a guy who could POSSIBLY reach 30 HR in a full year of games. Possibly being a key word.
Stairs would be ok, as a ph, didn’t the Braves have him before?
November 20th, 20094:17 pm
Not sure. I just never want to see Norton with a bat again.
Glavine indicated he’s leaning toward retirement during an interview Thursday on XM’s Home Plate. Hosts were Seth Everett and Jim Duquette.
Seth Everett: “Tell us about the way your season came to a close and what your thought process is as we hit November. Free agency signing period starts tomorrow. What is your attitude in terms of what you think your future is?”
Tom Glavine: “I honestly don’t know. I didn’t like the way my season ended last year. It has been well talked about and well documented. Obviously I wasn’t happy about it and I thought it should have gone differently than it did but it didn’t. And that’s something on a personal level that I have to deal with and I have dealt with. I’m okay with it. I’m okay with it now. I’ve moved on. I don’t know what the next chapter of life is for me. I’m not closing the door on playing next year but I really don’t see myself at this point in time playing. I mean, a lot of things would have to change. I don’t know what I am going to do next. Assuming I don’t play, I don’t know if it is going to be to get into the broadcasting side of the game or trying to get into a front office type situation with somebody and start learning that side of the game. I don’t know. I see myself staying around the game a little bit that’s for sure, but I’m not quite sure exactly what it is that I want to do. I’ve been home since June of last year and it’s actually been kinda nice being home, hanging out with my boys, and being a dad so I don’t know how soon I want to get away from doing that.”
Jim Duquette: “Bobby Cox has announced that he is going to manage his last year in 2010. It’s hard to imagine him not being in that dugout beyond 2010. Your thoughts on his pending retirement?”
Glavine: “There are certain guys that you just don’t ever expect not to see in that uniform or in that dugout anymore and Bobby is one of those guys. You look at the Braves and for so many years they had the stability of myself, and Smoltzy, and Maddux, and Chipper Jones now and all those guys you kind of knew from year to year were going to be there and slowly but surely, everybody has gone by the wayside. Bobby has kind of been the lasting guy. And I think a lot of people thought they would have to tear the uniform off him to get him out of the dugout. That’ll be extremely strange for a lot of people when that day comes to look over there and not see Bobby yelling at the umpires anymore or cheering the guys on in the dugout. It’s going to be a big adjustment, I think, for everyone involved with the organization but sooner or later you have to make those changes. I feel bad for the guy who has to come in after him because you know as much as everyone talks about, ‘Oh, he’s not filling Bobby’s shoes’, that’s exactly what everybody’s going to think he’s doing and its going to be a tough assignment for whoever comes in after him.”
November 20th, 20094:18 pm
“A deal with a healthy games-finished incentive would make the most sense for the signing team.” -Law
Man, everyone is stealing my material today!
You know, it took forever to get past all of joebrave’s rants…
Dude, come up for air every once in awhile…
Brandon Phillips for Prado and Schafer….REALLY?! Um no!
More Corey Hart talk? Tell ya what, the only reason we’d want him is for his speed on the bases (if he ever gets on) and in the field…
And please, UGA, stop singing Never Surrender to yourself…because we all know you are.
Don’t jump off a bridge just yet people. We will find a trading partner for D-Lowe and not have to eat salary, yet, he will find a way to have a decent year when he does go.
We should offer arbitration to all 5 FA’s and collect BIG!
And finally, I won’t speculate what we should and will do about the OF, BUT we WILL sign Billy Wagner, trade Kelly to Florida for Matt Lindstrom and FINALLY once again, my shameless name plugs of the day:
and you guessed it:
Trade of the Day
November 20th, 20094:19 pm
scratch Stairs, but there was a player that the Braves signed about two years ago, that never played for them, had a drinking problem and got released, could’ve sworn it was stairs, but maybe not.
The Braves have interest in Cameron. Not sure of the level of interest, but there is some.
November 20th, 20094:20 pm
Piedmont Blues glad to see someone join me on the Cameron over Bay island. Thanks.
So you’re saying you want a fatter, more out of shape Norton to PH?
Yeah, just checking…
November 20th, 20094:21 pm
Not to many fans of Atkins on here. I mentioned him and not to many in agreeance.
November 20th, 20094:22 pm
Man the Free Agent market leaves a lot to be desired this year.
November 20th, 20094:25 pm
in reality, the Braves have not been a solid team in this decade and probably going back a few years into the 90’s. Even in the few decent seasons in past years, the Braves have squeeked by and benefited by the collapse of other teams. Sometime in the late 90’s several things happened to cause the slide into mediocrity (in contrast to their past dominance). 1) a Lot of other teams caught up to the Braves in identifying and signing quality young players which diluted the overall pool 2) The Braves lost several of their better people (scouts and coaches) to other teams 3) Money: The Braves got out bid by other teams or chose not to meet the the much higher salary demands 4) Players on the Braves teams got old and had long terms contracts and little trade value 5) The play style and league changed around the Braves and they did not adjust. (n the past, pitching was king and you could get by on scoring 3 or few runs per game, today, you need much more offense)
This past year I thought the Braves made some decent personel moves in the area of pitching that put them on the road to becoming more competitive. In my opinion, I would not change much in the Braves starters and I would especially not move Vasquez. There is a need for someone to “eat innings” and Vasquez does exactly that.
In my opinion, the Braves need to get younger across the board but especially on offense. This would preclude going out and signing someone like Mike Cameron. I would rather see the Braves give their young talent a chance to gain experience at the major league level. This might mean some initial losses but in the long run would benefit the Braves. We have all seen what happens when the Braves lock up money on old players and it is time to clean the slate and develop the talent we have. I think this might also open up the potential to sign some good, younger great players to fill spots and potentially acelerate the path towards greatness.
So a black guy, a muslim and a conservative walk into a bar…
Yeah, but which one was wearing the duck on his head?
In other news…Glavine’s right; the guy who follows Bobby will have Robert and Don cheering for him, everybody else will have the hook ready for the slightest intimation of faceplant. That’s why I hope they actually hire someone like Pendleton or Yost, maybe. Let the guy Gene Bartow for two years, and then get the guy you wanted all along, LOL. That way, everybody’s happy.
Nope. No love for GA. For one thing, he was awful at the plate this season (.650 OPS — pre-Mets Frenchy, anyone?), and he’s always hit a lot better at Coors than away from it. He’s also a defensive liability. Even with his leg problems, Hoss is a better 3B, and Atkins is no great shakes at 1B.
November 20th, 20094:26 pm
How do you propose that we get Lidstrom and Cantu. Seems like we may have to give up more than we should to get both.
boy, maybe it’s just me, but I don’t believe Cameron is the answer to any question that is facing the Braves
November 20th, 20094:27 pm
Not to many fans of Atkins on here. I mentioned him and not to many in agreeance.
Trade of the Day, sure, whatever. I don’t know who the other two players you mentioned were, but Rivera for Lowe would be unreal to me. He hit 25 HR with 88 RBI’s which is more than what Chipper or McCann accomplished this season. Braves would have to throw in a good prospect while taking on a little of Lowe’s contract to get RIvera, I’d think, because he’s only getting $9.5m over the next two season which is a pretty decent bargain.
Joebrave—I wasn’t offended, so don’t worry about that (I’m sure you weren’t anyway, just saying). My entire argument was that fact that I thought your trade proposal was a bad one…I’m sorry that we got sidetracked from that, it shouldn’t have went anywhere but whether or not the trade made any sense.
Wayne, on the other hand, brought it back up by insinuating that I was the one that dropped the race card. THAT DOES OFFEND ME! Wayne should learn to read before he starts telling people that they should look in the mirror. He was WAY off base with his statement to the other blogger and I and I felt the need to go back and paste the early threads.
That being said, I apologize to the Blog for my part in the conversation. We discuss many topics on here, but race, politics, and Anders’ mental capacity shouldn’t be topics (ok, maybe that last one is ok).
Joebrave: Still think it will wind up being Ludwick for Lowe however.
The Cards don’t have the same outfield surplus they had last offseason when Ludwick’s name kept coming up (no more Chris Duncan or Rick Ankiel in the mix). I have ready anything this offseason suggesting he is available.
P’cola Atkins is in need of a season where he has the right Manager, right team, and a real gutcheck.
November 20th, 20094:28 pm
Well, Mac had 94 RBI’s, but he was still short 4 homers from Rivera.
November 20th, 20094:29 pm
Getting ready to head over the road for a few hours. Your on your own. I guess we should realize that some folks just aren’t used to being in mixed company, so they think any reference to a racial motivation by a group or an organization, is racism. It’s not.
My favorite player on the Utah Jazz is Deron Williams. I see hundreds of fans in our arena with D-Will, Boozer, Okur, Milsap, Brewer and Kirilenko jerseys. Most of those fans are white….heck, a large percentage of our population is white. Don’t know exactly why, but that is true in a lot of the remote areas of the west.
The Utah Jazz organization is in business to make money. They need the best players to be competitive every year. There are a small percentage of folks out here that have racial prejudices (true in most all areas, as I have learned). 5 of the 12 current Jazz players are not of color. A high percentage, as NBA teams go, I would think. Do you think the Jazz want to sell tickets to folks that have racial prejudices too? Could be. Saying that there might be a correlation there, is not making a negative statement about race. It’s just the facts. My non-white friends are perceptive enough to see the truth and wisdom in that.
So ugaaccountant, you see that there really isn’t any ignorant behavior being participated in. Acknowledging that racial bias exists doesn’t constitute a racist comment.
Uh-Oh another player with the initials GA, why do visions of Loaf come to mind?
November 20th, 20094:30 pm
It may cost more than Lowe to get Rivera but the Angels will need someone to sit at the top of the rotation when Lackey leaves for New York.
November 20th, 20094:31 pm
ncscoots, 4:25 pm … “the guy who follows Bobby will have Robert and Don cheering for him, everybody else will have the hook ready for the slightest intimation of faceplant…. Let the guy Gene Bartow for two years, and then get the guy you wanted all along,”
I think the Braves should hire Robert or Don or YAACA to follow in Cox’s footsteps. For about a week.
civilized white trash
i think i just may have jumped on the garrett atkins bandwagon but the question is can he play the outfield or first
November 20th, 20094:32 pm
Braves have never had Stairs. Also, he said recently that his plans for next year would either be the Phillies or retirement, so I don’t know that he’s much of an option for the Braves.
He has played outfield and first and thrid
See ya Wayne, nice to be able to banter with ya, even tho you still like Kelly Johnson(wink wink) I won’t hold that against you.
November 20th, 20094:33 pm
save a ton of money on the “big Bat” and get a competent hitting coach instead
Now if you were talking Ian Stewart I am all ears.
November 20th, 20094:35 pm
I think Atkins is a decent option, but his downside is such that I’m not sure the Braves can afford to risk it with him. If they are somehow able to acquire a TRUE cleanup hitter to play in the OF, then Atkins is a good high risk/high reward guy to play 1b. But based on his declining stats, as well as the Coors factor, he absolutely cannot be counted on as a “big bat” added to the lineup.
I am glad they are looking into Cameron…He is a nice guy, good ball player too
November 20th, 20094:36 pm
Glad to hear the Braves have interest in Cameron. I wouldn’t be a HUGE fan of his signing, but it’s a better option than some of the other ones out there. At least it makes us plus defensively in the outfield.
November 20th, 20094:37 pm
Atkins can play 1b, but he is NOT an OF. He played 14 innings in LF in 2004….that’s it.
Macon, there was truly no offense intended, and due to recent circumstances yes I do worry about offending others, taking my son’s to bury their grandfather tomorrow, and there was offense between myself and him, this is however their Mom’s Dad. So believe me when I say that.
November 20th, 20094:38 pm
I remember a few years ago that some of the Talking Heads on a Network Broadcast of a baseball game were saying that the number of African American players in Baseball had been steadily declining.
At some point, one of the Heads remarked that the Braves did not have any African American players (apparently the only team in the Majors to own that distinction at that time).
Now Baseball Please!
November 20th, 20094:39 pm
I guess the signing of Cameron would mean moving McClouth to a corner spot
P’cola Brave, I don’t think we will be getting a ML ready 20 plus HR guy who’s very affordable for Lowe, unless Atlanta eats a large piece of his contract, which I’ve been reading they don’t plane on doing. An average/below average prospect for Lowe while they take on his full contract I can definitely see. What do I know, but I have a good feeling about that. Maybe then they can sign Cameron, Wagner & trade for a one year rental at 1st base while working on an extension for Vazquez.
It also said that he will make 10 mill…..you want us to pay 10 mill for a 36 yr old. I would much rather pay that 8 of that 10 mill to Roachie or Soriano over Cameron. We could get Church back after he clears for 3 mill until Heyward comes back
November 20th, 20094:41 pm
I’m all for moving Lowe or Vazquez for prospects. Just throwing out possible options. The Braves have an incredible amount of talent waiting in the farm and to add to it wouldn’t be a bad thing.
Now that is FUNNY!
November 20th, 20094:42 pm
If they are somehow able to acquire a TRUE cleanup hitter to play in the OF
Unfortunately, none of the names beloved and bandied about by bloggers (at least, so far) have the ability to supplant McCann at 4.
and if the Braves go that way, so be it. Plan A will just have to be “everybody have a career year”, “Heyward really is that good”, and “the pitching will be just as good as last year”. In other words, a prayer for a perfect storm of good will from the baseball gods, LOL.
November 20th, 20094:43 pm
My last post I’ll mention that I don’t like those proposals as I’m not real sure it would be enough to compete with that lethal Philly lineup again, but in the end it depends on which Chipper Jones shows up for 2010… the ‘08 form or that dreadful ass ‘09 Chipper. So, what the hell, make it simple & try & keep that rotation in tact & see what happens. CJ is still the key to that lineup.
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