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Nelson S.
November 19th, 2009
8:48 pm
Could we possibly get Brandon Wood from the Angels?
18 Wheels of Love
November 19th, 2009
8:53 pm
I dont think the Braves have ever taken back any salary from a player they have traded. I think that changes with Lowe because I really believe they would rather keep and extend Javy.
And while they are quick to try and trade Lowe, I’m not entirely sold on the fact that we have a surplus of starting pitching. And does anyone know how many of Lowe’s 34 starts we actually won?
Macdaddy
November 19th, 2009
8:55 pm
DOB:
I would love to hear some speculative rumors about the Boras-Manfred stuff? Are the Boras alleges true? Does the club have a take, and does this type of early rift seem to head us towards another strike? It probably aint as sexy as three team trades and arbirtration hearings, but I think their’s room for greater coverage about the larger issues of the game.
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
8:58 pm
lavell, I didn’t even hear about the Rosenthal rumor until I logged back on while ago, at which point you guys were already discussing how Bowman had shot it down.
Dude, I don’t just stay online all day, searching the Internet for rumors. This is the offseason, theoretically a time when we’re not supposed to work quite as many hours as we do during the season. Know what I mean? It doesn’t usually work that way, at least not until January or so, but still … my job isn’t to either initiate or shoot down rumors all day and night throughout the offseason.
This is a relatively recent development in our business — the all-day, every-day spreading of free-agent and trade rumors on the internet. Just because something is written and published in print or on a website, often with anonymous sources or no sources at all, doesn’t mean we all have to respond to it and make a call to try to get it refuted. That’d be a neverending pursuit, to try to keep up and either confirm or refute every rumor about the team we cover.
Braves have expressed interest in DeRo and Wagner. That, I can confirm. And in both of those cases, you had the agents saying it publicly. In the case of this latest rumor, involving Corey Hart, who was that attributed to? I mean, does that make any sense to you?
Hart hit .260 with a .753 OPS last year while making more than $3 mill. The guy had a .300 OBP the year before that. The Braves might non-tender a player (Ryan Church) making similar money, a player they traded Jeff Francoeur to get.
Why would they non-tender Church and trade for a similar player with a slightly higher salary? Church is a career .272/.345/.441 hitter; Hart is .272/.326/.470.
Come on. Hart’s not a player you trade for. He’s a player more likely to be signed off the scrap heap after he’s non-tendered.
Steve from OH
November 19th, 2009
9:03 pm
I’d be pretty pumped if we managed to trade Lowe for B. Wood…
Michael
November 19th, 2009
9:03 pm
hey we can do anything and i would be happy if lowe or kawakami is gone but please, for the sake of all braves fans, just shut your mouth this off season david o brien, we dont need a repeat of last season…..
Canadian Braves Fan
November 19th, 2009
9:03 pm
DOB, if the Braves move Lowe for say Wood, does that put Jason Bay in play for the Braves or is he still to expensive for the team
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
9:04 pm
The Braves are in a win now mode, so I don’t see how trading Vazquez for a prospect helps that. — Bravoman
Not saying that’s what they will do, but if the Braves got a prospect who was ready for the majors, it could help fill a need (say, 1B) while also clearing up $11 mill to apply toward filling other needs, such as an OF or relief help.
It’s all interconnected, lot of moving parts. Lot of ways it could go.
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
9:07 pm
By the way: Bowman was correct. I’m told the Braves have not pursued Corey Hart. At least not anytime recently, and certainly not this offseason.
Steve from OH
November 19th, 2009
9:09 pm
DOB–thank God. Not a fan of Hart at all.
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
9:13 pm
DOB, give it time & hopefully we’ll all learn to take a step back after reading rumors & all on the internet in Nov. & realize it’s the offseason & rumors spread like wildfire. I’d say, what, at least 80% are BS? We’ll learn as we go… if you don’t pull your hair out first.
18 Wheels of Love
November 19th, 2009
9:13 pm
Don’t switch the blade on the guy in shades oh no.
Don’t masquerade with the guy in shades oh no. I can’t believe it!
You got it made with the guy in shades oh no.
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
9:16 pm
Oh, & again, thank the troll Rosenthal for this Hart mess he created. Why does he always spread BS?
BravoMan
November 19th, 2009
9:19 pm
DOB,
“The Braves are in a win now mode, so I don’t see how trading Vazquez for a prospect helps that. — Bravoman”- DOB
Yea I hope this doesn’t make me sound like a jerk for saying this but that wasn’t me who said that and i wanted to clarify that cuz I dont agree with that statement all. Honest mistake, jst wanted to clarify DOB.
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
9:21 pm
Michael (9:03 p.m.) as you can see from many of the other comments, you’re in the minority in that view. For better or worse.
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
9:22 pm
DOB,
Oh apon futher review it was a BravoMan who posted that but not me. Srry for the misunderstanding DOB
Ronald Millsaps
November 19th, 2009
9:26 pm
How about a trade for B.J. Upton, a guy whose stock is currently down but who has a tremendous upside, i.e. his performance in the 2008 AL playoffs? He could provide considerable power and also terrific defense and speed.
If we’re going to trade Javier Vazquez, we need a legitimate bat in return, preferably a right-handed one. I’d consider trading him for Kevin Youkilis. Youkilis not only provides pop and RBIs but also a good average and considerable patience at the plate. The Red Sox have a better chance of getting Adrian Gonzalez than we do and would see Youkilis as expendable and would like the idea of acquiring Vazquez, someone who could help them greatly against the Yankees’ lineup.
Having said all of the above, we’ve been thin in the rotation for a long time now and finally are back. I wouldn’t rush into anything. I’d pray about every move (not just now). We have a galvanized roation again—- finally, and aren’t we the same organization that says, “When you think you’ve gotten enough pitching, get more pitching.”? Re-sign Adam LaRoche. There are many intriguing trade possibilities, but it’s intriguing also to reclaim who we’ve had and go to war with who we have.
sidslidkid
November 19th, 2009
9:27 pm
Anybody been to The Burger Club in Vinings yet? I’m going tomorrow and I think I might try the
“The Breakfast Burger Club” A sausage spiced burger with french toast, bacon, cheese, and a fried egg.
Here’s their menu:
http://www.greatfoodinc.com/The_Burger_Club/Menu_files/Burger%20menu_1.pdf
Here’s their site:
http://www.greatfoodinc.com/The_Burger_Club
brian
November 19th, 2009
9:32 pm
I could see the Braves trading Vazquez for Gamel for exactly the scenario DOB mentioned. There would have to be another prospect or two – likely at the single A level but yes that would make sense for the Braves. The Braves will hopefully spend big money for LF or 1B but it is unlikely they would do both and they would not get a satisfactory player at either position if they divided the money between the positions. They need a major league ready top prospect for one of the two positions or a promising young major leaguer under team control for at least a few years at one while spending money on the other position.
richbrave
November 19th, 2009
9:36 pm
Yes-s-s, my eldest grandson just made the high school bb team as a freshman. 6′1″, small forward. And this isn’t even his sport. Just wanted to have something to do between wooden-bat fall-ball and spring.
TheManMike
November 19th, 2009
9:37 pm
I don’t comment much on here; I enjoy reading the banter – I just wanted to say DOB is one of the best sports writers out there right now. DOB – You are the man, man. Not only do you offer great baseball analysis, but you provide quality perspective on T.V., music and movie subjects as well. VERY interesting every time a new blog is posted. It’s pretty much year round goodness.
I can’t wait to get the off season transactions really kicking. As a lifelong Braves fan, I look forward to see what our management staff can swing. Go Bravos!
-DOB – Are you a “Lie to me” fan? The wife and I catch it every week and I’m really loving this show.
richbrave
November 19th, 2009
9:38 pm
sidslidkid
November 19th, 2009
9:27 pm
Anybody been to The Burger Club in Vinings yet? I’m going tomorrow and I think I might try the
“The Breakfast Burger Club” A sausage spiced burger with french toast, bacon, cheese, and a fried egg.
DAMM, there’s a heart stopper for you. No wonder I’m obese, although through no fault of that particular establishment’s eats.
sidslidkid
November 19th, 2009
9:42 pm
richbrave, I hear you. If I do go there and my wife finds out about it she’ll have me jogging with her all weekend.
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
9:42 pm
nolie, 835
Oh ok man. I didnt know you were kidding lol
richbrave
November 19th, 2009
9:42 pm
Hey, where’s PAUL LENTZ?
Cloud Nine
November 19th, 2009
9:43 pm
Gamel was rated the No. 34 prospect in baseball before last season, one spot behind Andrew McCutchen and three spots ahead of Elvis AndrusDOB
The offensive potential is great but from what i recall, dude makes too many boneheaded mistakes defensively. Andrus N McCutchen are defensive gamers. Gamel, not so much….
…But hey, Prado improved big time! Anything is possible. (except Kelly’s D)
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
9:44 pm
Now whoever this BravoMan thinks he is, find a new name. Ive been on here for a couple years now I deserve my title. so i changed it to Bravoman lol
Efrim
November 19th, 2009
9:45 pm
Good to hear Wren isn’t after Hart. Because we just traded a similar player this past season.
Think about it — Gamel primarily at 1B for a year or two, then eventually moves over to become Chipper’s successor as Freeman becomes entrenched at 1B….
That could very well be a target if the Brewers are involved. One thing I’ve read about Gamel though, is that he really doesn’t have a position. Kind of a butcher at third base. Not sure if he can play first. I just don’t think they match up well with the Braves, for Vazquez that is. Just my opinion though.
richbrave
November 19th, 2009
9:50 pm
Where’s VENICE JIM by way of WILLIAM and MARY? Hey, VJ you out there my man. Whadup between RICHMOND/W&M in tonight’s basketball game?
Cloud Nine
November 19th, 2009
9:50 pm
I approve of Penelope Cruz’s new movie name. Ya baby, you’re super hot!!!
Nick in PA
November 19th, 2009
9:51 pm
DOB,
With all the talk of trading Javy/Lowe for prospects, could the Braves be looking to Free Agency to fill their hitting needs?
nolie
November 19th, 2009
9:52 pm
’d be pretty pumped if we managed to trade Lowe for B. Wood Steve
why? his light has been dimming quite a bit over the last few years, starting to look like he might be a AAAA player. He certainly has done nothing in 200 MLB ABs to show much promise. Yes it’s a small sample size, but large enough to raise some doubts. 192/222 isn’t enough to impress me. he’s still pretty young and might turn it around, but right now I don’t see him as someone we could depend on to take this club a notch higher.
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
9:53 pm
Cloud Nine,
Are you talking about Nine? Yea Penelope’s pretty hot but Daniel Day Lewis is film genius that’s why im going to see it.
sidslidkid
November 19th, 2009
9:57 pm
30 Rock is slipping. Just not as funny as it use to be. Still one of the better shows though.
Steve from OH
November 19th, 2009
9:57 pm
nolie–no, simply for the fact that we managed to unload Lowe’s money for a young player that I think has a decent chance to be something down the road. Not a blue-chip prospect by any means, sure, but if it means keeping Javy and losing Lowe’s loot?
Besides, the jury is still very much out on him. His PT in LA has been very sporadic, and the Angels have never really given him a chance. He’s still young enough to blossom if given the chance. I really don’t think LA will, anyway…
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
10:04 pm
Steve,
I got your back here considering im the one who started this Brandon Wood stuff, but when I checked out his stats i wasn’t impressed from an offensive perspective. I like his versatility however. But you bring up good points about moving big money for a guy we’ll have under control for awhile. And we get to keep Javy for more than a year. But if this doesnt go down then who knows maybe DOB’s Gamel suggestion comes into play but that means Javy goes. But we wont trade anyone til Lackey is signed so we’ll discuss these theories then.
Steve from OH
November 19th, 2009
10:05 pm
Bravoman–remind me tomorrow and I’ll look them up…
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
10:10 pm
Steve,
Look what up lol?
Steve from OH
November 19th, 2009
10:12 pm
Oh sorry I was gonna look up his stats b/c all I remember about him is that (I think) he’s a power-hitting SS with a decent glove who (for whatever reason) never got a chance with LA. Wasn’t he their top prospect for a while?
Eh, I dunno. I’m busy but trading Lowe makes this offseason much easier for Wren IMO, so I’m for that trade…
Random
November 19th, 2009
10:13 pm
Zookey (November 19th, 2009 6:42 pm): ” . . . a bs artist . . . “
Lemme know when you decide to come out from behind your mask, looser.
Other drive-by Zookey nuggets:
ugaaccountant – What a crock with all that bs you copy and paste from other sites.
O.J. – Not only are they bum baseball players,worse are bum bloggers.
Jared -Not trying to build any bridges dumb ass… But I am tired of your obnoxious post.
Hugh Jazz – Better take your meds…
Wayne in Utah – You have brought about all your own problems,quite bitchin…
willieg – Lets delay football season and kick you around a little longer…
Tomahawkin,Mitchell,Paul Lentz – Three peas in a pod…
Coach – I am not your friend. Everyone is tired of reading your paste ant post garbage…
willieg – Enough is enough,you often posted on here calling yourself Will,claimed you were 23 yrs old and and same bs gambler. Cut the crap…
No Anders this is not a porn movie , so stop showing your ass.
Sherman – This must be your second march to the sea… Games are won by the players on the field not your keyboard.
cabravesfan – dosn’t pay you to think …
cabravesfan – I am sure no one pays you to think…
FanninFay – Speaking of sucking,how are you !!!!!
Bear – Dosn’t need any clarifaction,and sure as hell don’t want to cozy up to you…
Bear – I’m sure,keep typing on that keyboard nerdo !!!!!!
N8 – -Bragged to your sons about paid for heir baseball players hitting home runs,get a life dude..
Coach,”pitch counts are a problem and some of us have known it for years”it has been noted many times,you are a imbecile…
N8 – Your kid your choice… Maybe when he grows up you can let him read all of your long BS post…
Bill in Va – Why so envious ? Get over it,not everyone has the talent….
Lou Vales – Self made man,BS radio host.. You are still a damn jerk…
Enter your comments here
Hope you break your damn typing finger…
Many things are of intrest when briefly told for the frist time;nothing intrest when too long dwelt apon,little intrest that is told a second time.
Tom O’Hawke (May 12th, 2009 5:31 pm): “Do you think it’s possible that Zookey is really the MariettaDork?”
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
10:15 pm
Steve,
Yea the entire Wren and co. is on your side too. They want Lowe delt so they can resign Javy. I just hope we deal for prospects and not someone like Swisher, or as Rosenthal would suggest, Corey Hart lol
Steve from OH
November 19th, 2009
10:17 pm
I dunno I’d take Swisher to play 1B or LF in exchange for Lowe, Bravoman. Not sure of his contract terms but doesn’t he have only 1 year remaining?
brian
November 19th, 2009
10:20 pm
DOB – I have no idea what Michael is talking about. What has his panties in a wad tonight?
Bravoman
November 19th, 2009
10:23 pm
Steve,
Yea im not sure on Swisher’s contract situation. I just am not a big fan of his.
keylargo
November 19th, 2009
10:27 pm
I brought Garrett Jones of the Pirates up before but the response was practically nil. He is old for a rookie (27) but you just can not ignore his potential. Jones played almost exactly 1/2 of a season with these results:
G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB
82 314 45 92 178 21 1 21 44 40
SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
76 10 2 .293 .372 . 567 . .938
Projected over a season that’s .293/.372/.567/.938 with 42 doubles, 42 HR’s, 20 SB
He is a Pirate which means he could be had for some price. I don’t pretend to know what it would take but I can’t think of anyone who could add that much offense for so little money. He also would be just like Tommy Hanson in that he has six years before free agency.
TennesseePaul
November 19th, 2009
10:27 pm
It’s all interconnected, lot of moving parts. Lot of ways it could go –DOB
“A lot of different facets to this, a lot of interesting parties involved”
18 Wheels of Love
November 19th, 2009
10:31 pm
Agreed on 30 Rock. It slipped this season but it is still one of the best. At least Anthony Bourdain is on along with 3 Sheets re-runs.
nolie
November 19th, 2009
10:33 pm
He is a Pirate which means he could be had for some price. KL
he’s also dirt cheap for several years yet, more likely to be available in 2-3 years if he keeps fitting.Once they hit arb they don’t stay a Pirate long
keylargo
November 19th, 2009
10:33 pm
Re: Garrett Jones
I am not sure about his service time since he came up for 31 games in 07. I had forgotten about those games (with Minn.) but he probably does not have but 5 years until free agency.
Venice Jim
November 19th, 2009
10:39 pm
richbrave – I am totally shocked – we beat you in basketball – I hope we keep the karma going on Saturday…
N8
November 19th, 2009
10:43 pm
Random, I barely remember those posts and conversations. Kind the way, you somewhat remember that really big turd you flushed down in Jr. High before yelling for somebody to come look at it.
Yeah. Pretty much just like that.
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
10:46 pm
DOB, what is Gamel’s age. Are we talking a young prospect around 23-25 or one whose approaching his 30’s. Sorry I really don’t know much about him. What about Caleb Gindl. Young outfield prospect with a big bat. Is it possible to maybe move Vazquez or Lowe for Gamel, Gindl and maybe someone else?
Keeper
November 19th, 2009
10:48 pm
richbrave, you staying away from scoreboards, or just tossing out a nice fat softball for VJ? ‘Cause our Spiders – expected to finish third in the A10 behind Xavier and Dayton – just got beat by a B&tB team expected to finish 10th (out of 12) in the CAA. Whatever big heads our boys might have had about the lofty expectations just got deflated. Better get that sh– fixed before we take on the likes of Missy State and Mizzou one week from now.
Of course, if we were only going to win either the hoops match or the football game, I would’ve taken the latter in a heartbeat. Hope that’s the case.
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
10:53 pm
I’ll take Javy’s 200 plus K’s a year for the next few years than a prospect who hasn’t proved a damn thing in the bigs. Sorry, but I really believe trading off Javy will hurt. One of those things where you don’t know what you have till it’s gone. I do like what I’m reading where they seem to want Javy around for awhile… they know.
Venice Jim
November 19th, 2009
10:55 pm
Keeper – I didn’t sign up for a win one – lose one scenario, so I will be hoping for the doubleheader sweep
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
10:57 pm
P’cola Brave, he’s 24. Took me 6 seconds to look it up. Also, 6 ft 195 lbs. Sorry, P’cola, I’m in a bad ass mood all the sudden.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
10:57 pm
Just over an hour until the shopping begins. Tomorrow is the real black Friday for us baseball lovers!
Anders
November 19th, 2009
10:59 pm
I’ll take Javy’s 200 plus K’s a year for the next few years than a prospect who hasn’t proved a damn thing in the bigs (TNBrian)
Any guess on what you think Javy would cost to lock up beyond next year? I’m guessing he’d ask at least for AJ Burnett type annual money -why not?
Keeper
November 19th, 2009
11:00 pm
Passing ships there, VJ. Funny, given the praise heaped on our hoops team and the lack thereof for yours, I almost tossed out a wisecrack before the game that if your boys somehow won the b-ball, then surely you’d win the football as well. Seems much less humorous in hindsight …
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
11:00 pm
Anders, what will the Mets do? If I were them I wouldn’t burn $18-20m a year on a Holliday. I’d work on that starting pitching. But, we Braves fans don’t have to worry about pitching for awhile it looks like. Had to do it…
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:01 pm
The thing that scares me about Vazquez is he has never had back to back good seasons. I don’t think that Vazquez or Lowe will bring in the hitter we need. If anything they will free up some money to improve the team. If we can get some solid prospects than that may be the way to go.
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:02 pm
A Vazquez extension would probably be close to Hudson’s. He really likes Atlanta and would have to take a paycut to stay.
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
11:04 pm
Anders, I don’t because it seems like he’s one of those players that does his best work with little pressure. Atlanta is a low pressure place compared to a lot of others & he seems to like where he’s at. Would he take less to stay a Brave? Who knows, but I have a feeling he would.
splitfinger
November 19th, 2009
11:07 pm
Dunno if anybody came up with Swisher’s contract info. If not:
He’s owed $15.75MM over the next two seasons, with a $10.25 club option for 2012.
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:08 pm
It seems as if G. Atkins will probably be non-tendered if hes not traded first. Atkins can play outfield and first. RH bat. I have no idea how is defense is. Besides this year hes been solid. If hes non tendered we could maybe get him for a decent price.
Gone Viral
November 19th, 2009
11:08 pm
“Not a blue-chip prospect by any means, sure, but if it means keeping Javy and losing Lowe’s loot?”
The other aspect is that Wood is a commodity we can use as a trade chip if we want to go another direction. We’d be cleaning up our payroll a lot without giving up the pitchers we prefer and if we wanted to deal for somebody else, he’s a guy we know has some value. It’s one less of our guys we have to throw in a deal. It could be a Gorkys Hernandez situation except that we would have to move quicker since Wood is already 24.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:08 pm
TnBrian- The Mets need a #2 starter more than anything. I’ve already stated on here that anything less puts next year in jeopardy again. They need a big bat (preferably LF)too but the pitcher takes precedent imo.
As for the Braves pitching they sure had it going last year. Lowe’s contract is a problem imo. Will all of their starters fire on all cylinders again next year? Maybe, maybe not. They also have some bullpen questions – or haven’t you noticed? Had to do it…
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
11:09 pm
TheManMike: I didn’t start watching Lie to Me or Fringe, and it looks like both are good shows. You know, only so much time. Still got almost entire season of L&O Criminal Intent to watch between now and Spring Training, along with most of regular L&O. I’ve been watching all my other shows, keeping up with those, and a bunch of movies. So just run out of time.
With that, having returned from gym, I’m gonna watch Office, 30 Rock, Community and Always Sunny In Philly, if I can stay awake and not get distracted by SportsCenter.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:12 pm
Are you guys still Jonesing for Swisher. Besides the fact that he just ain’t all that and his whole schtick thing wouldn’t fit on the Braves imo the Yanks are not trading him. He’s proven he can handle NY and he’s a bargainin Yankee dollars. They have too many other outfield questions to answer to mess with a part of the chemistry that did work in the championship run.Oh yeah and Jeter really likes him.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:16 pm
Haven’t been here for a while so sorry if this was discussed but have any of you been watching WWII In HD on the history channel. Compelling TV. I couldn’t turn it off all week. I highly reccomend it to those that like this type of thing. It has some pretty graphic parts for the more squeamish.
MZ
November 19th, 2009
11:19 pm
DOB —–
you a Dexter fan?
TnBrian
November 19th, 2009
11:19 pm
Anders, we’re like hungry lions around here looking for some prey, & guess what… you just entered the lion’s den!
Kiddin, man. Atl. pen’s was fine through short stretches, but like a lot of pens, just wasn’t consistantly great, besides Moylan. Hope you’re right on Swisher. He’s a goofy sumbitch.
Marko
November 19th, 2009
11:20 pm
After next season, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lowe has superior stats/performances than Vasquez.
Yeah sure, it sounds stupid after looking at the second half of last year. Wait and see. The Vasquez you saw last year does not reflect what he will do going forward. He is a .500 pitcher with a high number of strikeouts but not a low ERA guy.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:21 pm
DOB —–
you a Dexter fan? (MZ)
Astronaut Tim Dexter?
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:23 pm
TnBrian- Yeah and there’s that pesky closing thing. Kind of been an issue with your Braves for oh, I don’t know, 20 years?
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:24 pm
Go Marko, go Marko, go Marko, go.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:26 pm
Apparently I’ve got some pent up Braves thoughts – you know, not having been here in a while and all.
OK, deep breaths.
Nick in PA
November 19th, 2009
11:26 pm
DOB,
Have you watched The League? Def a must watch!
Andrew
November 19th, 2009
11:28 pm
Trade Lowe..Sign Bay
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:32 pm
Bay is not going to happen. May as well forget it. Hes going to cost 15-20 mil a year. About how much we have to spend to fill Left/right, first, bullpen, and bench. Why would we spend it all on one guy.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:35 pm
Trade Lowe..Sign Bay (Andrew)
Have they even finished cleaning up from the party this blog threw when the Braves bought Lowe?
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
11:37 pm
Wow, that was almost a remarkable comeback by the Buckeyes against Carolina. Cut deficit from 17 or 18 points to two points with 11 seconds to go, but couldn’t quite pull off the win.
David O'Brien
November 19th, 2009
11:39 pm
MZ, I don’t have Showtime. Only HBO.
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:40 pm
Lowe’s not bad. He will probably have a better year than Vazquez. The benefit to trading Lowe is the money we’ll get back. An extension for Vazquez will be only bout 9-10 mil. Moving Lowe’s money would be beneficial.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:43 pm
An extension for Vazquez will be only bout 9-10 mil. (P’cola Brave)
So you believe Vasquez has earned a pay cut? I’m guessing Boras doesn’t live in Pensacola?
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:48 pm
I don’t think hes represented by Boras. Vazquez has made it known that he wants to stay in Atlanta and in order to do that he would have to take a paycut.
dmack2027
November 19th, 2009
11:50 pm
Regarding Mat Gamel….The emergence of Casey McGhee makes him somewhat expendable. If the Braves could pick him up for Vazquez, that is a good young corner infielder they will control cheaply for a long time. In my opinion, that is a good trade. There is no obvious replacement for Chipper in the system right now.
I would be interested in how much Lowe’s finger/blister problems impacted his sinker. At the end of the day, he did exactly what the Braves signed him to do. Take the ball every fifth day. He won 15 games. Yes his ERA and peripheral numbers were elevated. I expect him to bounce back next year. Afterall, Jordan Schafer’s struggles (inability to hit a fastball) can now be attributed, at least in part, to his wrist problem. Same might be true for Derek. It clearly bothered him for a while during the late summer.
If the Braves can pick up a young bat like Gamel for Javy, getting stuck with Lowe is not the end of the world.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:53 pm
P’Cola- The Boras comment was a general agent reference. As for Vasquez taking a pay cut -no way, no how. He may take less to pitch for the Braves but the numbers not going down from $11.5 mil. Figure somewhere between Lowe and Burnett as a starting point.
You guys are really starting to over value the lure of your faur city again.
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:53 pm
DOB, what is Gamel’s age. Are we talking a young prospect around 23-25 or one whose approaching his 30’s. Sorry I really don’t know much about him. What about Caleb Gindl. Young outfield prospect with a big bat. Is it possible to maybe move Vazquez or Lowe for Gamel, Gindl and maybe someone else?
Couch Tater
November 19th, 2009
11:54 pm
Anders,
I’ve been watching the History Channel and have been surprised by all the “new” footage which I’ve never seen.
P'cola Brave
November 19th, 2009
11:55 pm
I don’t think he has the career numbers to get that much. Now if he repeats the numbers he posted last year then I agree he can ask for Lowe – Burnett money. But the guy is 3 games over .500 for his career. If he chooses not to stay in Atlanta then he could command at least 12 mil on the open market. But if he stays in Atlanta it will be around 10 mil maybe 11.
Anders
November 19th, 2009
11:57 pm
Couch Tater -Same here. Great stuff. Plus seeing so much more in color really brought it to life. Made it feel more like our world than something that happened ages ago. Not sure if that sounds right?
NorCal
November 20th, 2009
12:00 am
Anders,
I have watched some of the WWII in HD, and I agree that it is compelling. It is amazing to see the survivors as they are today; have to admire and respect those vets.
Anders
November 20th, 2009
12:01 am
P’Cola – I’ll believe it when I see it. BTW- I would hope the players union would step in if another player gave a deep discount to the Braves. After all they stepped on A-Rod when he tried to discount his deal to fit i on the Red Sox club (I understand that was a signed deal – But you get the point)
MZ
November 20th, 2009
12:05 am
DOB ——
Even if you’ve never seen an episode, teaser, etc., or don’t even know the first thing about it, it’s worth going out and buying it on DVD … or, at the very least, joining netflix and watching it that way … superb “television”
P'cola Brave
November 20th, 2009
12:06 am
Right. I very well could be wrong but we can dream right. Personally If we lock Vazquez up long term it could get in the way of some of the young arms coming up. Some people may not want to admit it but the Braves have a little bit of a youth movement going on. At least thats the way it seems. (Jurrgens, Hanson, Heyward, Freeman, Schafer, Minor, Medlan) plus the other young guys who are up.
UNCBrave
November 20th, 2009
12:10 am
DOB,
Good win for a very YOUNG Carolina team over an experienced, good OSU team
Anders
November 20th, 2009
12:12 am
Some people may not want to admit it but the Braves have a little bit of a youth movement going on. (P’Cola Brave)
This reminds me of Steve Martin in The Jerk when he say “So it’s a profit gig!” with his naive amazement.
Anders
November 20th, 2009
12:14 am
Any FA’s sign yet? What the hell is taking so long?
nolie
November 20th, 2009
12:30 am
The thing that scares me about Vazquez is he has never had back to back good seasons. P’Cola
you’ve been reading too much media exaggeration
from 2000 -2003 his ERA+ were
119
130
108
139
granted it was a while ago, but those are 4 good years in a row. his ERA+ in 2009 was 143 BTW