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beekay
November 11th, 2009
9:56 am
P-Town
I won’t give details on the show but i can tell you that it’s as good or better than the previous season
David O'Brien
November 11th, 2009
9:58 am
Beekay: Agreed on FNL — one of best shows of the past decade. I, too, will be watching when the season comes to NBC, so please no spoilers.
Crazy Trades McGee
November 11th, 2009
9:58 am
OOOOOHHH! It’s my favorite time of the year! Bring on the Crazy Trades! I got one for ya, Kelly Johnson for the Texas Rangers ball club, I hear its for sale. BAM!
beekay
November 11th, 2009
10:00 am
Julio’s info…still only 18 years old
Signed: Columbia, 2007. Signed by: Miguel Teheran/Carlos Garcia.
Background: The Braves signed Teheran for $850,000, the largest bonus given to a pitcher on the international market in 2007. After pitching sparingly in 2008 because of shoulder tendinitis, Teheran returned to the Rookie-level Appalachian League last summer and ranked as the loop’s top prospect.
Strengths: Teheran throws easy heat with plus command and mound presence beyond his years. His fastball resides at 92-96 mph and holds its velocity throughout the game. His sharp, mid-70s curveball has good depth and can be a plus pitch, particularly after he tightened its spin. His 79-82 mph changeup is also an above-average pitch at times, with depth, fade and screwball-like movement. He has impressive poise that some scouts believe borders on cockiness.
Weaknesses: Teheran is still learning how to pitch. His physical stamina needs some work, and scouts have some concerns about his mechanics, which aren’t effortless. He has a long arm rotation in the back of his herky-jerky delivery that creates deception but attracts questions about his durability.
The Future: Teheran has all the ingredients to develop into a frontline starter. He’s expected to return to low Class A Rome to open the 2010 slate. While the Braves will be cautious due to his youth and lack of physical maturity, Teheran could accelerate his timetable.
2009 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Danville (R) 2 1 2.68 7 7 0 0 44 36 2 7 39 .229
Rome (Lo A) 1 3 4.78 7 7 0 0 38 42 2 11 28 .288
Rock On......
November 11th, 2009
10:01 am
beekay…IMO, Friday Night Lights is the best-cast show since Cheers. It is on DirectTV now and NBC this summer. You can catch it on YouTube in segments. Just a tremendous show.
Rock On......
November 11th, 2009
10:04 am
And by the way, the first episode is on, sans commercials. On YouTube that is. Just as great as prior years-maybe better.
RHR
November 11th, 2009
10:04 am
Piffle. Absolutely not. The only way I’d do that trade is if the Rangers throw in the Astros too.
CB
November 11th, 2009
10:09 am
I told my wife about Recliner Tater- she just looked at me and laughed. I keep asking myself,why did she laugh?
bigboi
November 11th, 2009
10:09 am
They would also have to throw in the Houston Rockets
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
10:09 am
beekay-
Makes me excited for that. Especially when the networks have already decided to pull some of the best shows and are thinkin about pulling others.
This will give you an idea of how my DVR fills up, but the problems with stupid networks killing off shows:
Sunday-
Three Rivers (cancellation likely)
In Plain Sight (returns in Jan)
Monday-
Two and a Half Men
Big Bang Theory
CSI Miami
Castle
Tuesday-
NCIS LA
The Forgotten (possible cancellation – best new show on TV)
Wednesday-
Gary Unmarried (possible cancellation)
Criminal Minds
Leverage (when it returns – awesome show on TNT)
Thursday-
Flash Forward (amazing new show)
Burn Notice (returns in Jan – best of the best on USA)
Friday-
Law & Order (heard it may be the last year)
Flashpoint (returns in Jan)
Numb3rs (best returning show – may get cancelled)
Psych (returns in Jan)
White Collar (new show – must watch on USA)
So that gives you a pretty good idea of what I am doing with my free time when I’m not at work, at a college basketball game, or on here
Yeah, apparently I AM that boring…and sadly, there used to be more to watch before this ridiculously crappy “reality show” phase came in.
Anything else I should be tuning in to?
I heard Mad Men is great, but just never got into that…
And love Entourage, but don’t have HBO…same w/ Dexter and Showtime…
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
10:12 am
Oh, and I watched Trauma on Mondays on NBC…but apparently that has already been cancelled and no other episodes will air.
The problem really is that anyone like myself who DVR’s shows and never really watches anything live…that doesn’t count towards the show ratings now, so its like I never watched it according to them…
Ridiculous really!
Iceman
November 11th, 2009
10:12 am
Bring back JERMAINE DYE!!! Never should’ve got rid of him.
beekay
November 11th, 2009
10:18 am
P-Town
That’s quite a list…might be good to have some of them cancelled so you can come up for air….I like the Office, I really liked 24 but not sure if Jack Bauer is coming back or not and the Ultimate Fighter on Spike but I usually am glued to ESPN, Fox News and I have the NFL package(Jet fan), the NBA package(Celtic fan) and of course MLB extra innings to watch the Bravos…I also am ashamed to admit it but I watch the Real World and Idol.
O.J.
November 11th, 2009
10:19 am
No on Jermaine Dye.
beekay
November 11th, 2009
10:20 am
Julio is still only 18!
3. Julio Teheran, rhp Born: Jan. 27, 1991. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-2. Wt.: 160.
Signed: Columbia, 2007. Signed by: Miguel Teheran/Carlos Garcia.
Background: The Braves signed Teheran for $850,000, the largest bonus given to a pitcher on the international market in 2007. After pitching sparingly in 2008 because of shoulder tendinitis, Teheran returned to the Rookie-level Appalachian League last summer and ranked as the loop’s top prospect.
Strengths: Teheran throws easy heat with plus command and mound presence beyond his years. His fastball resides at 92-96 mph and holds its velocity throughout the game. His sharp, mid-70s curveball has good depth and can be a plus pitch, particularly after he tightened its spin. His 79-82 mph changeup is also an above-average pitch at times, with depth, fade and screwball-like movement. He has impressive poise that some scouts believe borders on cockiness.
Weaknesses: Teheran is still learning how to pitch. His physical stamina needs some work, and scouts have some concerns about his mechanics, which aren’t effortless. He has a long arm rotation in the back of his herky-jerky delivery that creates deception but attracts questions about his durability.
The Future: Teheran has all the ingredients to develop into a frontline starter. He’s expected to return to low Class A Rome to open the 2010 slate. While the Braves will be cautious due to his youth and lack of physical maturity, Teheran could accelerate his timetable.
2009 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Danville (R) 2 1 2.68 7 7 0 0 44 36 2 7 39 .229
Rome (Lo A) 1 3 4.78 7 7 0 0 38 42 2 11 28 .288
RC
November 11th, 2009
10:25 am
DOB,
Don’t take this as a “spoiler” (it can be seen from previews of the show), but the kid who played Wallace in Season 1 of the wire has a very prominent role in this Season of FNL. Not sure if it’ll continue, but his acting has been great to this point.
RC
November 11th, 2009
10:25 am
Should have been “The Wire”. Sorry, haven’t had coffee yet.
Tomahawk Talk
November 11th, 2009
10:27 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/reds-to-cut-payroll-big-names-could-be-dealt.html
Says the Reds may want to look to trade Joey Votto to make room for Yonder Alonso at first base. I can’t see the Reds doing that but damn would he be nice in our lineup. Has a career OPS of over .900 AVG of .320 and HR average around 30. He’s a left handed batter which would kind of suck. He’s young and would block Freeman so I don’t see the Braves going after him, but wow would he look good.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
10:31 am
He’s a left handed batter which would kind of suck.
what is the obsession with right handed hitters? having votto would in no way suck. with a hitter like votto, the side of the plate he stands on should have no importance to you.
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
10:32 am
beekay-
I watched Idol last year after not watching it for awhile…thought it was actually really good and was happy that Kris Allen won as I felt he was being lowballed by the judges and he deserved it! Happy to see Paula leave, but not sure if I will like Ellen as a judge.
I fully admit I still watch wrestling, but on a less regular basis since when Linda McMahon decided she wanted to run for Senate they decided to make the product more family friendly. The PG rated wrestling is killing the overall product value in my opinion.
And yeah, I watch a lot of ESPN the other hours of the day and catch up again before bed.
Along w/ that, I was glued to the MLB Network every day for the first few months after it came on, and will probably do so once again come February or if any big Braves news happens.
Somehow I manage to fit all this in to my week still working 40+ hrs (yes, Im there right now) and now have to fit my college basketball in as I have had season tickets every year for the past 18 years to watch my other beloved Braves
cvbraves
November 11th, 2009
10:32 am
Read Jeff’s piece on AJC page about Adrian Gonzalez possibilities. Wonder who San Diego would want in return? Want to see what DOB, Lew, Random and others think about this possibility!
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
10:35 am
TT-
IF we somehow were able to grab Votto (which I don’t EVER see happening), Freeman would be packaged w/ Lowe or Kawakami or Vazquez somewhere for another bat.
I would take Votto over Freeman simply because I always value proven talent over unproven.
Tomahawk Talk
November 11th, 2009
10:36 am
i think its dumb. no way we go after him. hes a lefty. they have said we need a RIGHT handed bat. they would ask for too much in return.
OldBravesBag
November 11th, 2009
10:37 am
Dave…. Any speculation about Kelly? Thanks……
Lew
November 11th, 2009
10:37 am
Not too sure why, if the Reds are trying to trim payroll, they would trade a player making the ML minimum for this season and only being first year arb eligible next year. Why would they trade a player hitting over .300, with a high OBP and 25 HR to make room for a rookie? This makes damned little sense since he’s actually played a little outfield, so move him to LF to make room for the new guy if that is the way they want to go.
bravesfan1984
November 11th, 2009
10:37 am
who cares if votto is a lefty…if we get him he would be replacing laroche who is a lefty…that’s why we can look for a right handed bat for the outfield. brandon phillips sure would look good in the lineup as well but i’d rather have votto who is only going to improve
Lew
November 11th, 2009
10:38 am
OldBraves-Yeah, there’s speculation they’ll non-tender him and let him walk.
bravesfan1984
November 11th, 2009
10:38 am
but in my opinion like others have stated…the reds would be foolish to part ways with votto…they need to make him the centerpiece of that team for the future
Tomahawk Talk
November 11th, 2009
10:39 am
P-Town
I would love to see Votto in the lineup, but like I said about Gonzalez. He’s a lefty. If they did trade Vazquez or Lowe in the deal they would have the money to go out and get a Righty for the outfield but then what do you do with Heyward when hes ready THIS year. Votto does hit for a high average so I assume he hits lefties ok. I’d be ok with going after him but I just don’t see why the Reds would want to do that. Plus the return price would be just as steep as Gonzalez
beekay
November 11th, 2009
10:40 am
Not bad for an 18 year old…Julio could be our next Hanson in 2-3 years
Signed: Columbia, 2007. Signed by: Miguel Teheran/Carlos Garcia.
Background: The Braves signed Teheran for $850,000, the largest bonus given to a pitcher on the international market in 2007. After pitching sparingly in 2008 because of shoulder tendinitis, Teheran returned to the Rookie-level Appalachian League last summer and ranked as the loop’s top prospect.
Strengths: Teheran throws easy heat with plus command and mound presence beyond his years. His fastball resides at 92-96 mph and holds its velocity throughout the game. His sharp, mid-70s curveball has good depth and can be a plus pitch, particularly after he tightened its spin. His 79-82 mph changeup is also an above-average pitch at times, with depth, fade and screwball-like movement. He has impressive poise that some scouts believe borders on cockiness.
Weaknesses: Teheran is still learning how to pitch. His physical stamina needs some work, and scouts have some concerns about his mechanics, which aren’t effortless. He has a long arm rotation in the back of his herky-jerky delivery that creates deception but attracts questions about his durability.
The Future: Teheran has all the ingredients to develop into a frontline starter. He’s expected to return to low Class A Rome to open the 2010 slate. While the Braves will be cautious due to his youth and lack of physical maturity, Teheran could accelerate his timetable.
2009 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG
Danville (R) 2 1 2.68 7 7 0 0 44 36 2 7 39 .229
Rome (Lo A) 1 3 4.78 7 7 0 0 38 42 2 11 28 .288
ChipChop
November 11th, 2009
10:41 am
I like the Joey Votto/Brandon Phillips idea IF you could get them from Cincy. It really isn’t an issue that Votto is a lefty. You just add righties in left and right. Didn’t Brandon Phillips play third at one point? He may be able to move over to third when/if Chipper Jones retires. If you get pop at first and Phillips has moderate power, then you can add speed at one of your outfield positions.
TnBrian
November 11th, 2009
10:42 am
cvbraves, TnBrian says for Gonzalez I wouldn’t go more than a Freeman, Medlen, Schafer deal. That’s probably not going to get that done because he’s one of the best hitters in the league & getting paid like an average player. Could still happen, but Votto might be more realistic since those two are the topics this morning.
RC
November 11th, 2009
10:43 am
Here’s some random speculation for you guys – Braves trade Kelly Johnson to San Francisco. I saw an article this morning mentioning that SF is looking to add a bat at either 1b or 3b, but could also potentially make an addition at 2b by moving Pablo Sandoval from 3b to 1b and Freddy Sanchez from 2b to 3b.
Tomahawk Talk
November 11th, 2009
10:43 am
Where do you play Phillips now?
Thrillhouse44
November 11th, 2009
10:45 am
TnBrian, did you just go third person on us???
Steve from OH
November 11th, 2009
10:47 am
I believe he did, Thrillhouse.
CB
November 11th, 2009
10:48 am
CB says is that cool now?
Lew
November 11th, 2009
10:48 am
If our trade pieces are Lowe or Vazquez and the Reds are trying to lower salary levels, why would they trade two players like Votto and Philipps, who made a combined $5 million last year. Vazquez makes $11.5 mil this year and Lowe makes $15 mil for each of the next three. How does this help the Reds lower payroll?
If y’all really think the Braves are going to trade either Tommy Hanson or Jair Jurrjens, you are sadly deluded, totally insane or just plain uninformed about the way baseball works these days. You do not trade young pitching that is a.that good and b. that cheap and c. for that long.
Jeff R
November 11th, 2009
10:50 am
Lot of guys this morning are giddy about Votto. Why would Wren pursue him and jettison Freeman?
Freeman, once he arrives, will be cheaper and under team control longer than Votto. Freeman, if he lives up to billing, should have more pop in his bat than Votto.
Wren wants a righty power bat in the outfield. Think he wants a one-year fix at first (may be where arb comes in for LaRoche, but I’m not holding my breath). Or he picks up a Steve Pierce (Pirates) as a one season solution.
From everything I’m reading, Wren’s priorities remain unchanged. Re-up Hudson (done); use either Lowe, Vazquez or Kawakami as a cornerstone to obtain a righty power bat; make sure the bullpen has the arms to do the job.
Thrillhouse44
November 11th, 2009
10:51 am
Thrillhouse doesn’t even know how to react. Thrillhouse believes no one can pull off third person quite like JJS.
Lew
November 11th, 2009
10:52 am
Does anyone seriously believe that in any proposed deal for Adrian Gonzalez that the names Heyward, Jurrjens or Hanson would not be first and foremost on the Padres’ wish list? I’d rather give Roach his three year deal than give up any (or more than one) of those players for the difference between AG and ALR.
Tomahawk Talk
November 11th, 2009
10:52 am
ive said that it was stupid. no way they do it
Steve from OH
November 11th, 2009
10:53 am
‘Tis true, Thrillhouse.
Two JJS references in one day? Hope we’re not haunted by the ghost of a Ugandan journalist later…
Thrillhouse44
November 11th, 2009
10:53 am
Thrillhouse always believes if you’re going to do something, at least do it right:
TnBrian says for Gonzalez I wouldn’t go more than a Freeman, Medlen, Schafer deal.
TnBrian says for Gonzalez TnBrian wouldn’t go more than a Freeman, Medlen, Schafer deal.
Lew
November 11th, 2009
10:56 am
OH! The Humanity. We need one of LeTwan’s Mama’s pies today. It will help drive away the blue werms and Musk Oxen. migrating to Cordele.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
November 11th, 2009
10:57 am
How before we hear from the braves about this hudson contract? im so sick of waiting. he had the MRI already but did the insurance company have vets day off? whats the deal here?
oh and how funny is sammy sosa’s lightened skin! he can no longer speak english and he no longse has dark skin. google the pics they are strange!
and a “baba booey” to you all!
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
10:59 am
Jeff-
For the simple reason what I already said.
Proven talent is more valuable than unproven.
Lew-
While I agree with you, that would change our trade pieces. If the Reds are wanting cheap players, they’d want our close to ready or ML ready talent. I can see trading Phillips because of his salary spike for next year (my prediction: Mets), but I just can’t see trading Votto for another year, unless they believe his vertigo issues or whatever they were will come back again.
Jeff R
November 11th, 2009
11:00 am
It would be sheer nuttiness to trade either Jurrjens or Hanson. Imagine Schuerholz having traded Glavine or Smoltz when they were youngsters for a power bat?
The 90s run was essentially powered by strong pitching and defense. Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux were th heart of those teams.
You don’t trade your very talented young arms; you build around them. Add Minor and Teheran to the mix and the Bravos could have the most formidable starting rotation in the majors in a couple of seasons.
Mitchie-san
November 11th, 2009
11:00 am
Happy Veteran’s Day to all of my brothers and sisters in the Armed Forces now and in the past. And a very special thank you to everyone who recognizes the importance of today.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
11:02 am
lew, if we are trading for phillips and votto, our trade pieces are definitely not limited to lowe and vazquez.
Lew
November 11th, 2009
11:03 am
P-Town-Yes, I can certainly see the Reds trading Phillips, especially with the escalating salary (though I think short of getting a supremely rich stash of players, they’d be damned fools to trade him), I just can’t see the Braves as being the team to give up that wealth of cheap talent when a. Phillips doesn’t fill our needs and b.doesn’t really jettison enough salary savings to fill said needs.
Jeff R
November 11th, 2009
11:03 am
P-Town Brave… not against your reasoning. Just trying to look at it from Wren’s perspective.
I’m reading more and more that clubs are having budget concerns. Freeman, if he pans out, makes sense from a dollars and cents perspective. It’s a reasonable gamble that he’ll pan out. I think that’s where Wren is heading.
rammerjammer
November 11th, 2009
11:04 am
Mark Zuckerman in the Washington Times writes, “$18.5 million from last year’s payroll (is) no longer on the books. Surely the Nats can find a better way to spend that money, perhaps on a veteran starting pitcher.”
Lowe for Dunn?
Lew
November 11th, 2009
11:05 am
DAP-And who, exactly would you trade that’s cheap enough? Heyward? Hanson? Jurrjens? Freeman? Yes, but who else and that won’t be enough. Come on Dude, this one just ain’t happening. It is just not practical for either team.
TnBrian
November 11th, 2009
11:05 am
I still have a feeling about Ludwick. Even if the Cards can’t sign Holliday I believe they’ll trade for a bigger bat than Ludwick & use him in a trade for some pitching, maybe they like KK. Resign Adam & have an OF of Ludwick/Nate/Diaz is fine for all the pitching we have. The guy hit 37 HR in ‘08 & 22 last year which was a down year, I guess.
Lew
November 11th, 2009
11:06 am
That sounded a bit different than I intended. Freeman is the only one of that group I’d include in that proposed Reds’ deal.
David O'Brien
November 11th, 2009
11:06 am
Wren indicated yesterday that right-handed bat is obviously preferable, but they’re not excluding lefty possibilities. They just want to add a big bat, but would prefer right because they’re so lefty-leaning now.
Guys, really with the Votto talk? I’ll not believe he’s available until I hear that idea connected to someone from Cincinnati, rather than a guy who heard Reds are going to cut payroll and then drawing his own conclusions that Votto might be available.
Votto and Bruce are their two popular, cheap and productive players. Anyone but those two, I can see being trade. But not those two, and especially not Votto. If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly admit it later. But I don’t buy that rumor at all.
TnBrian
November 11th, 2009
11:07 am
Thrillhouse44, cool. You’re making me dizzy.
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
11:09 am
Well, looks as though Billy Wagner may be out for the closers role.
The Red Sox are looking as though they will offer him arbitration (Type A) and even if he doesn’t accept, I don’t expect the Braves to want to forfeit draft picks for him.
Jeff R
November 11th, 2009
11:10 am
TnBrian… I’ve thought that the Cards and Cubs might be good fits for Lowe. Now, I don’t know if the Cards are able/willing to take on the balance of Lowe’s contract, but move him over there for Ludwick.
The Cubs could do so, but I don’t know if there’s a fit.
Rock On......
November 11th, 2009
11:16 am
rammerjammer…..Dunn to replace LaRoche? I’ll take a flying pass. The Braves are looking for solid defense to go with the bat. Dunn does not possess such defense. He is perfect for the Nats or as a DH in the AL.
TnBrian
November 11th, 2009
11:19 am
Jeff R, looks like Ludwick is due for another 37 HR season in 2010. The games we played the Cards last year Ludwick wasn’t that impressive & he was protected by Pujols both in ‘08/’09. But I’d think if CJ & McCann are at their best than he oughta get plenty of pitches to drill. I’m all for not trading Javy & I can’t imagine Ludwick would require Javy after his very average ‘09 season.
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
11:22 am
Currently listening to the Braves Show Talk Show from last night on my Touch…
Shanks just called the AJC the Atlanta Journal of Constipation…and he wonders why he couldn’t be a journalist any longer or why his show got cut in Macon…
Jeff R
November 11th, 2009
11:23 am
TnBrian… Haven’t considered Ludwick’s contract, but I’ve got to believe that deal would be attractive to Wren if the money-end works out. Not sure the Cards want to carry Lowe for $15 million per year for the next three years. The team doesn’t have deep pockets.
BravesfaninWis
November 11th, 2009
11:24 am
LEW
I never said anything about trading Jurrgens for Votto. I would never want to see JJ leave as he is improving each year and has been great for us. I do agree with DOB though that this rumor is most likely just that. It doesn’t make sense for Cincy to trade Votto, but if we could get him for say Medlen, Freeman, and B. Jones, I would be alright with that.
McFann
My apologies, I thought Brad McCann was strictly a SS all the way. Thanks.
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
11:25 am
My problems with Ludwick:
Only 2 HR v LHP last season
Only 5 HR after the Holliday trade meaning he should’ve gotten better pitches to hit.
Thrillhouse44
November 11th, 2009
11:25 am
You’re making me dizzy. TnBrian
Welcome to my world.
Smart move by the Sox to offer arb to Wags.
Jeff R
November 11th, 2009
11:27 am
As mentioned earlier, because more teams are reporting budget constraints, I’m thinking that arbitration might be to LaRoche’s advantage. He’s not stepping into a free-spending market this winter. If the Braves offer arbitration – and I’m guessing they will – he may be smart to take it, put up some solid numbers and see what the market will bear in the winter of 2010.
O'Brien
November 11th, 2009
11:28 am
Guys,
Based on Jeff Schultz article about trading for Adrian Gonzalez, what do you think it would take to get him, and what would you be willing to trade?
The bad thing is he is only under contract for 2 more years, and then he could command $15 mil when he becomes a free agent. One good thing is Boras is not his agent, so maybe the Braves could work out an extension.
Would Freeman, Medlen, Schaffer, KJ, and another prospect be enough? Is it too much?
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
11:29 am
Going outside the box though after mentioning Ludwick, how about a Ludwick/Atkins combo at LF/1b?
Both are clutch hitters and RBI machines with RISP.
McLouth
Prado
Jones
Ludwick
McCann
Escobar
Atkins
Diaz
Although, there’s a guy I’m listening to right now that on this show that is saying he wants to sign Atkins for our bench, along with Craig Counsell.
Lew
November 11th, 2009
11:29 am
BravesfanisWis-Someone right before you mentioned him and I thought that was what you were responding to. Sorry if I misread you.
Doesn’t matter, though. There’s no one we have short of Hanson, Jurrjens and Heyward that would fit the bill for Cinci to dump salary and get a worthwhile return. My point ultimately was that any players we could trade them that would make the Reds want to do the trade, wouldn’t be worth it for us to lose, especially when you really don’t have Phillips filling an open need and unless the plan was to move Prado to LF (which I don’t agree with), it wouldn’t work for us.
rammerjammer
November 11th, 2009
11:30 am
Rock On…
I was thinking more of LF, a one-year commitment leading into the McLouth-Schafer-Heyward era in 2011.
Lew
November 11th, 2009
11:31 am
Not to mention, like DOB, Myself and Several Others have said-The Reds would be And Idiots to trade Votto and the deal ain’t happening.
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
11:32 am
Also, remember that we then move Atkins to the 8-hole when Heyward comes up and is ready to replace Diaz in the lineup.
Think about that. Can you think of many 8-hitters in the league who have 20+ HR power?
RC
November 11th, 2009
11:32 am
Would Freeman, Medlen, Schaffer, KJ, and another prospect be enough? Is it too much?
Why even put KJ in there? For a team like the Padres, a $4.5 million player who is only a couple of years away from free agency isn’t exactly appealing. As for the rest of the proposal, I’d say it’s not enough from the Padres side, and too much from the Braves side. In other words, I don’t think the teams match up at all.
TnBrian
November 11th, 2009
11:34 am
Jeff R, doesn’t have to be Lowe in a deal, maybe the Cards would like KK & his contract better. Maybe the Braves can work on finiding a trading partner for Lowe for a while longer, like maybe even close to ST next year. Who knows, I know I don’t.
David O'Brien
November 11th, 2009
11:35 am
Meetings are wrapping up in next half-hour or so….
Anybody seen that movie The Goods with Jeremy Piven? Watched it late last night, and thought it was hilarious.
RC
November 11th, 2009
11:36 am
P-Town Brave,
I like the Atkins idea, am less enthusiastic about Ludwick. I really think either of those players would work as long as a bigger bat is acquired for the other position (LF if Atkins is acquired, 1b if Ludwick is). I know a lot of people think we should spread the available money over 2 positions, but I think that will lead to a similar result you got from the Braves last year. In my opinion, it’s best to get that one big bat to hit between Chipper and McCann, and then make a value pick for the 2nd bat in your lineup (such as a Atkins, Ludwick, or Nady).
DAP
November 11th, 2009
11:36 am
jeff rLot of guys this morning are giddy about Votto. Why would Wren pursue him and jettison Freeman?
Freeman, once he arrives, will be cheaper and under team control longer than Votto. Freeman, if he lives up to billing, should have more pop in his bat than Votto.
votto is an established major league player under team control for 4 more years. its going to be a long time before freeman can slug over .560 at the major league level, if he ever does it. no way free man will have more pop in his bat than votto. if you can get votto, you do it in a second and give them freeman. seriously. votto is one of the best young hitters in the game.
MFin04
November 11th, 2009
11:37 am
Front page of the AJC says Adrian Gonzalez? That deal would probably have to be huge, but it would definitely be a great deal.
P-Town Brave
November 11th, 2009
11:38 am
DOB-
Really? I didn’t go see it bc I heard it was terrible…A real good one though is Couple’s Retreat…Vince Vaughn is just great as usual!
Also, I just really have this feeling that Adam is not coming back at 1b so Garrett would be a great choice considering Chipper may be gone after 2010 and Garrett could move to 3b to accomodate Freeman.
Seems like a great plan to me…
Couch Tater
November 11th, 2009
11:38 am
why did she laugh?
CB,
Glad to see your wife saw the humor, as intended. Could you tell if it was the third-date giggle or the you can’t be serious, laugh?
Rob (from SC) no more arm brace
November 11th, 2009
11:39 am
Atkins will make around 7 million in ARB, only sign him if he is non tendered
Greg Olson Homers
November 11th, 2009
11:43 am
Ugh, I thought The Goods was utterly awful (no offense DOB). Halfway through the movie I realized I had seen all the funny parts on the previews already.
DOB, I watch Entourage and basically Piven (god love him) plays the exact same character on the Goods. Maybe that is why I didn’t like it.
Efrim
November 11th, 2009
11:43 am
If the Braves offer arbitration – and I’m guessing they will – he may be smart to take it, put up some solid numbers and see what the market will bear in the winter of 2010.
I think the only player they offer arb. too is Gonzalez.
David O'Brien
November 11th, 2009
11:45 am
P-Town Brave: You heard The Goods is terrible, but you say Couples Retreat is good, huh? Who are you getting your reviews from? Couples Retreat was one of the worst-reviewed movies of the year. I had planned to see it … until I read the near-unanimous scathing reviews.
Granted, The Goods wasn’t well-reviewed either. But at least some of the critics I follow really liked it. I couldn’t find one that had anything good to say about Couples Retreat.
Anyway, The Goods is over-the-top but quite funny. If you like Piven in Entourage, you’ll like him in this. Same character, basically.
Efrim
November 11th, 2009
11:46 am
If the Reds trade Votto, they aren’t going to want Freeman. Yonder Alonso being ready will be the only reason they would even consider dealing Votto, and I don’t even think they will. Didn’t the story say Phillips, Harang or Arroyo might be dealt because of payroll issues? Doesn’t Votto make the league minimum, or around that?
DAP
November 11th, 2009
11:46 am
lew if the braves were going to build a package for votto and phillips, wihch i agree with you they are not, they could include prado, freeman, schafer, medlin, kimbrel, hicks, johnson (cody), minor, bethancourt…and these are all very cheap promising players.
just saying lew, dont think all the braves have to trade is vazquez and lowe. if a chance comes up to get a guy like votto, they have prospects to deal…
Steve from OH
November 11th, 2009
11:46 am
I think they offer to Roachy as well, Efrim.
lavell12
November 11th, 2009
11:48 am
DOB
The Goods is pretty fun but no movie comes close to the Hangover in terms of comedy in 2009.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
11:51 am
Doesn’t Votto make the league minimum, or around that?
i think votto makes the minimum for one more year before his salary explodes in arbitration. so i can understand if the reds have a plan to build through the next several years why they might think trading him is a good idea…but even if that is the case, id wait one more year and trade before his first arbitration filing.
ToastyFire
November 11th, 2009
11:52 am
I’d shy away from Atkins. A clear case of a player that is a product of Coors. Career 892 OPS at home and 735 on the road. Now if he gets non-tendered I wouldn’t mind him as a bench player to replace Norton but he shouldn’t be starting imo.
Salamander
November 11th, 2009
11:55 am
I see Votto is the flavor of the today.
In your dreams blogizens.
ToastyFire
November 11th, 2009
11:56 am
DAP, if you had Votto would you trade him for those players listed? Votto is a stud and still years away from free agency. It would take someone like JJ, Hanson, or Heyward to pry him away from the Reds even if you took on a bad contract.
CB
November 11th, 2009
11:56 am
Couch Tater, it could have been where I was sitting when I was telling her about it.
jeffrey d
November 11th, 2009
12:00 pm
Buster Olney’s saying that other GMs are “expecting” the Braves to trade Vazquez.
jeffrey d
November 11th, 2009
12:02 pm
Who are you getting your reviews from?
Probably Bobby Cox.
BAMABRAVE
November 11th, 2009
12:03 pm
There is a talk on FoxSports.com that the Tigers may not be able to retain Fernando Rodney as a closer due to money restraints. It mentions the Braves as a possible destination. Thoughts?
DAP
November 11th, 2009
12:03 pm
toastyfireDAP, if you had Votto would you trade him for those players listed?
if i had him, and was looking to rebuild the team with a bunch of good minor league prospects, the guys i listed would be pretty good options. but, i would wait until votto was arbitration eligible to trade him.
Wayne in Utah
November 11th, 2009
12:05 pm
I suspect Wren is floating some proposals to SD for Gonzalez, but I would be surprised if they pull the trigger.
Votto is a pipe dream…..we don’t match up. They only deal him for prospects AND a salary dump of one of their starting pitchers.
I thought Don was banished to an alternate universe? Is he Roberts brother? Twin?
Message to Buster Olney: Duh!