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Ted
November 10th, 2009
8:14 pm
DOB–Unfortunately, I must agree with your earlier post about the new AIC album…it mostly made me want to listen to “Dirt”. I don’t think it was a very good representation of what William Duval (the new singer) brings to the table. His other band, Comes With the Fall is REALLY good.
Rock On......
November 10th, 2009
8:19 pm
Sidslid….yep, beer time, but only thing in the fridge is Coors Light and Miller Light. My daughter’s fiance’s leftovers. Normally a Yuengling guy myself or microbrew. I feel I am in a Family Guy episode.
Lew
November 10th, 2009
8:19 pm
That definitely puts a new spin on his less than spectacular season.
N8
November 10th, 2009
8:19 pm
“I believe the Golden Glove awards have become diluted in recent years.” Wayne
Wayne, the GG’s became a joke the second Rafael “I didn’t do steroids” won a GG in 1999 when he was the DH in 128 of the 156 games he started that year.
That’s almost as ridiculous as two lip syncing dancers winning a Grammy.
N8
November 10th, 2009
8:20 pm
“I believe the Golden Glove awards have become diluted in recent years.” Wayne
Wayne, the GG’s became a joke the second Rafael “I didn’t do steroids” won a GG in 1999 when he was the DH in 128 of the 156 games he started that year.
That’s as ridiculous as two lip syncing dancers winning a Grammy.
nolie
November 10th, 2009
8:25 pm
guys a 260/355 hitter most of his career. probably isn’t gonna change all that much but we can hope the glasses will help I ♥ the Braves.
sidslidkid
November 10th, 2009
8:28 pm
Rock On……
MIler Lite for me too. Wasn’t planing on drinking tonight. I’m a 420 fan. Yuengling is some good stuff too. My wife and I found some good micro brews in Dahlonega this weekend. Strangely enough the brewery is in a crappy Italian restaurant called Caruso’s in downtown Dahlonega. If your ever up there it’s worth trying. Not the best stuff on earth but still worth trying.
Pickens
November 10th, 2009
8:39 pm
DOB-Your thoughts on the Braves playing things very close to the chest and not repeating what happened to them last winter?
FYI Everyone needs to understand Nelson Cruz is 29. SOME people are thinking he’s in his mid 20’s maybe younger. This is his first big time season so possible sophomore slump, even though his numbers are appealing.
AdirondackDave
November 10th, 2009
8:43 pm
Lavell12 — Maybe DOB will answer that, but I’d be surprised if he plays another inning anywhere until spring training. He has very little to prove but maybe they’ll give him a little more “seasoning” at Gwinnett to delay the clock start.
BravoMan
November 10th, 2009
8:44 pm
I look back last year at this time when there was the Peavy saga, the Burnett decline, the Furcal foul move, and the last minute change of decision by the Kid. I think of these occurrences and I’m thinking this organization will move swiftly and silently this time around…
Jeff R
November 10th, 2009
8:50 pm
Rock On…… I second your comments about Kawakami.
N8
November 10th, 2009
8:51 pm
“Remember when Palmeiro won a 1B Gold Glove even though he DH’d almost the entire season?” DOB
That was crazy. The next thing you know a couple of dancers that lip sync are gonna take home some Grammys. And I’m not talking about the Golden Girls.
sidslidkid
November 10th, 2009
8:51 pm
BravoMan,
I’m glad none of those moves we’re made. And I agree, I doubt there will be much talking coming from the ATL Brass.
Bobby's Cox
November 10th, 2009
8:51 pm
I’ll trust the Braves people if they aren’t crazy about Cruz. They should know more about him than any of us do by talking around, getting some inside stuff.
Ya, just like last year when we didn’t trade Johnson for Ludwick, because we had questions about Ludwick’s durability and thought so highly of Johnson. Hmmm….
The question was raised, if not Cruz, then who? I look around the league and don’t find many better young and affordable right-handed power hitters. DOB’s stance on Cruz shifted though for some reason. He posted Cruz’s splits on his first blog after the season concluded, and noted that while his home/away OPS disparity was quite large, Cruz did hit quite a bit HR on the road compared to other big name players around baseball.
With Cruz’s speed, arm, power, and ability to hit the ball to all fields, I’d still take him over any other player that may be available, unless it’s gonna cost Wren and the Braves an arm and a leg. If that is the reason why he’s not high on Cruz, then so be it. But if for any other reason, then it’s simply just a difference in opinion.
18 Wheels of Love
November 10th, 2009
8:53 pm
The new AIC album is clearly Jerry Cantrell’s baby. Duvall gets a few shots of his own but it is and has always been Jerry’s band…even when it ‘was’ Layne’s band…Jerry was and is the mastermind.
And Duvall doesn’t sound like Staley in my opinion. I think people are just hearing Cantrell and not realizing how much singing he did on the earlier stuff.
But I really like the album. Duvall’s songs arent my favorites, I like Cantrell’s stuff. Your Decision, Take Her Out, Black Gives Way to Blue, are very much in the same vein (bad pun) as Jar of Flies…but of course it is missing the Staley growl. I get that but I think it clearly stands on its own.
Anyone know when Beck releases a new one? Or when the Beasties new hot sauce record comes out?
P. W. Hjort
November 10th, 2009
8:57 pm
This is the worst article I’ve ever read, not even a hyperbole. Clearly written by an amateur who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
MZ
November 10th, 2009
8:58 pm
DOB —–
Just picked up Them Crooked Vultures … solid, heavy stuff … oh yeah, and get this – while I was at the record store, I noticed a sign that wasn’t there on Friday saying Lucero was coming to a local joint tomorrow night … apparently Ida forced them to move their show from Mobile, Ala., to Hattiesburg … guess who has to work and can’t go (nevermind that it’s literally within walking distance of my office)
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:02 pm
alot of talk about nba now lew alcinder aka kareem abdul jabar, has cancer.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:05 pm
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_basketball_legend_goes_public_wi_11102009.html
Jeff R
November 10th, 2009
9:17 pm
I don’t think Cruz is worth Vazquez, straight up. Think the Rangers would have to sweeten the deal.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:20 pm
the number 89,457
anyone care to guess the significance of this number
sidslidkid
November 10th, 2009
9:20 pm
MZ, is the new Them Crooked Vultures album out? I’ve been wanting to pick that one up. Good to see Braves fans with good taste in music. I like Lucero a lot. Their last album wasn’t too spectacular though. I’m really into The Bottle Rockets right now… it’s some good Alt-Country.
sidslidkid
November 10th, 2009
9:22 pm
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:20 pm
“the number 89,457
anyone care to guess the significance of this number”
Is it the attendance of the last Nationals vs Marlins game.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:24 pm
as of Nov. 9, that’s how many american casualties there were in iraq and afghanistan since oct. 7, 2001
veterans day
alot of lives lost for a lost cause
alright call me names but i actually served did you
Crazy Trade Idea
November 10th, 2009
9:25 pm
Vazquez, Freeman, Medlen, and Teheran to the Cardinals for Pujols
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:29 pm
that includes a tire-screeching 75,134 dead, wounded-in-action, and medically evacuated due to illness, disease, or injury in Operation iraqi freedom (oif), and 14,323 and counting in afghanistan, or operation enduring freedom (oef).
MZ
November 10th, 2009
9:29 pm
sidslidkid —–
It “officially” streets next week, but I got it a little bit early from a place … bottle rockets, huh? I’ll have to check them out … if you haven’t ever heard American Aquarium, do give them a listen … good, indie alt-country there
brian
November 10th, 2009
9:30 pm
Bobby’s Cox – good question in if not Cruz then who. Not many fit the bill as to what the BRaves are looking for. Jeff R – you are correct that the Rangers would have to sweeten the deal. They will probably offer us Chris Davis. FW should ask for Justin Smoak (after all Texas was not afraid to ask for our farm system for a 1 year rental)
sidslidkid
November 10th, 2009
9:31 pm
ncgary,
Didn’t mean to offend you. Just making a baseball joke. I sincerely thank you and everyone else who has served.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
9:33 pm
no offense
its just a shame so many lives are lost and families devastated by their losses for politicians lies and greed
sidslidkid
November 10th, 2009
9:38 pm
MZ,
American Aquarium is a damn fine band. I first heard them on an AMAZING juke box in a crappy bar in Nashville. That jukebox was the best f’ing thing I’ve ever seen.
Crazy Trades McKnee
November 10th, 2009
9:39 pm
Vazquez, Freeman, Medlen, and Teheran to the Cardinals for Pujols
I like where your head’s at.
AdirondackDave
November 10th, 2009
9:39 pm
NCGary — Thank you. And thank you for reminding us.
lpad
November 10th, 2009
9:39 pm
I’m new here, but can someone explain to me why we are willing to let Soriano go and keep Gonzalez? Even though, Gonzalez lost the closer job to Soriano? Wouldn’t we be better off signing Soriano to an 8m/yr deal than signing Gonzo for 6/yr and then spending money on a closer?
cadagan
November 10th, 2009
9:48 pm
DOB, Isn’t it a little erroneous to say the braves are looking for a RH power bat? Even if everyone might be repeating FW. Shouldn’t we be looking for players who hit lefties?
It’s assumed RH’s hit lefties well, especially since we are braves fans and so accustomed to platoon advantages. But it’s just not always the case. Especially in regard to several of the players that’s most often mentioned as RH power OF options. It’s overlooked, and assumed.
If i said that N.Cruz, Derosa, Uggla, and Holliday have each hit worse against LH pitching in their careers (in some cases MUCH worse), probably some wouldnt believe, but some would say it still wouldn’t matter.
So wanting a RH is partially a perception thing still ?
Jay212033
November 10th, 2009
9:49 pm
I really like the idea of signing Carlos Delgado to a 1 yr contract if he’s healthy. I’d also trade KJ and Acosta for Coner Jackson to be his back up and part-time OF/3B.
This would be my dream off season
November 10th, 2009
9:53 pm
Trade Javier Vazquez and Jordan Schafer/Freddie Freeman for Matt Kemp.
Sign Matt Holliday
Sign Adam LaRoche
Sign Mark DeRosa
Sign Mike Gonzalez
Lineup
RF Nate McLouth
SS Yunel Escobar
3B Chipper Jones
LF Matt Holliday
C Brian McCann
CF Matt Kemp
1B Adam LaRoche
2B Mark DeRosa
P Pitcher
Pitching
Jair Jurrjens
Derrek Lowe
Tommy Hanson
Tim Hudson
Kris Medlen/Kenshin Kawakami
Before the trade deadline, when you get ready to bring Heyward up, trade Nate McLouth for prospects and someone to replace Chipper later down the road.
MZ
November 10th, 2009
9:55 pm
sidslidkid —
dude, see them live … it’s way better than any record they’ve put out … and I really like their records, so …
varoadrunner
November 10th, 2009
9:58 pm
Just trade Lowe for prospects and dump his $15M yr. You can buy a lot with an extra $15M.
David O'Brien
November 10th, 2009
9:58 pm
W. Sox GM Kenny Williams made another comment on Tuesday, about how he’s not going to sign a Type-A free agent and give up his first-round draft pick unless it’s a real impact guy, not a complimentary-type player.
I asked Frank Wren about that today, about whether he feels the same way:
“I think that’s becoming more and more the feeling, that you’re weighing the value of those draft picks – sometimes maybe overvaluing them,” Wren said. “I think the pendulum might have swung too far. You talk to general managers, I think the pendulum might have swung a little too far on the value of young players.
“But that’s a good thing, in that we’re valuing player development and scouting, which at the end of the day, I think, we’ll create deeper and stronger clubs.”
Then I asked him if the economics today, with stagnant payrolls and all, make it even more critical for teams to hold onto prospects such as Heyward or Freeman if you believe they’re going to be every-day players who are both productive and very affordable for multiple seasons:
“I think that’s always been the case, that hasn’t changed in recent times,” he said. “The guys you think are long-term fits on your club, that you think are going to be every-day, long-term solutions to a certain area of your team, you’ve always tried to hold on to those guys, except in a very exceptional deal.
“I don’t think that’s really changed. I think what’s happened is now people don’t even consider those kinds of players, and the next tier [of prospects is also] being held onto even longer than before.
“Like I said, the pendulum’s probably swung a little too far now; it makes it more difficult to make deals.”
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
10:01 pm
were you?
P. W. Hjort
November 10th, 2009
10:03 pm
Money quotes from Wren, there.
David O'Brien
November 10th, 2009
10:03 pm
DOB’s stance on Cruz shifted though for some reason. He posted Cruz’s splits on his first blog after the season concluded, and noted that while his home/away OPS disparity was quite large, Cruz did hit quite a bit HR on the road compared to other big name players around baseball.– Bobby’s Cox
Wrong. My stance on him hasn’t changed whatsoever. I’m telling you what Braves seem to think of him, not what I think of him. Because BC, what I or you or anyone else (except Braves’ officials) think of him isn’t going to really matter when it comes to trading for a guy.
David O'Brien
November 10th, 2009
10:05 pm
sidslidkid: Good call on Bottle Rockets. Very good band, and I hear their new one’s excellent. I don’t have that one yet, have a couple of their other CDs.
McFanny
November 10th, 2009
10:06 pm
Trade Bmac to the twins for Mauer.
TennesseePaul
November 10th, 2009
10:08 pm
Like I said, the pendulum’s probably swung a little too far now; it makes it more difficult to make deals
Wren’s “feelers” have gone out to all the opposing GMs with Javier Vazquez and have been answered with middling crap and Nelson Cruz’s (career year home park heros destined to flop in Atlanta). But if it’s me and I have a choice of trading Vazquez for little in return or keeping him, I’d keep him. If anything you can trade him at the deadline, resign him, or take the draft picks next season. Same goes for any other pitcher being “offered.”
But I think once Lackey has been signed the trade value of Vazquez goes up…
Efrim
November 10th, 2009
10:11 pm
I totally agree that the pendulum has swung too far, and it was good to see the Cards go for it this past season and include Brett Wallace in a deal for 2 1/2 months of Matt Holliday(of course, I know Wallace was basically blocked by Pujols, but still). But there is a pretty good reason that prospects, especially elite prospects, are coveted.
I hope Wren doesn’t make the mistake of signing Billy Wagner and giving up his first round draft pick. For a Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, or John Lackey, sure. Long term investment that’s worth the pick. A 38 year old relief pitcher doesn’t fall into that category, imo.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
10:13 pm
wren shouldnt jump on any trades unless right handed power comes from unloading lowe. patience is a virtue
Salamander
November 10th, 2009
10:17 pm
Baroness’ Blue Record is a great album and worth picking up (southern rock/metal).
P. W. Hjort
November 10th, 2009
10:17 pm
Efrim,
I agree about giving up the #19 overall for Wagner. If the Braves have already signed an impact player like a Bay or Holliday, I wouldn’t be opposed to giving up a 2nd rounder for Wagner. Especially if the Braves get 3 picks back for Gonzo/LaRoche.
Efrim
November 10th, 2009
10:21 pm
DOB, do you think the compensation system needs to change? It’s gotta be something that they will discuss when the CBA is up in 2011, right? I just think that the elias rankings system, and draft pick comp. system is kind of outdated. I mean, who really wants to give up a first round draft pick for a middle reliever? I guess there may be some teams, but relief pitchers and one dimensional offensive players are getting less and less valued as time goes by. Although I think that shows that front offices around the game are just getting smarter overall.
Efrim
November 10th, 2009
10:24 pm
I wouldn’t be opposed to giving up a 2nd rounder for Wagner. Especially if the Braves get 3 picks back for Gonzo/LaRoche.
Yup. That’s why if you’re the Mets, you’d just be foolish not to take advantage of it this year. Plus, Holliday is worth that type of investment, imo. Not a Teixiera type of investment, like Boras may intially want, but a large contract nonetheless.
Salty Dawg
November 10th, 2009
10:29 pm
Anybody watching SOA? Is it just me, or is there a f’in commercial break every 5 minutes? WTF?
P. W. Hjort
November 10th, 2009
10:32 pm
DOB, do you think the compensation system needs to change?
It makes NO SENSE. If it were conceived starting from scratch today, there’s absolutely no chance they would come up with what they’ve got.
David O'Brien
November 10th, 2009
10:33 pm
Salty Dawg: That’s what DVR is for — so great shows like that don’t have to interrupted by weak-arse commercials that completely interrupt the flow and remind you you’re watching TV.
(my hotel doesn’t have FX, and I’m actually kind of glad — because I’d be watching SOA for sure, and this way I can instead watch it on DVR after I get home.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
10:35 pm
wouldnt you know right about the time my land is about to be commercialized the commercial market is predicted to be the next bubble.arrgg
ive been slaving like a dog not to lose it the last 4 years cause when the road widens my land commercializes. well the road was supposed to be finished 3 years ago.
will my luck never change
richbrave
November 10th, 2009
10:36 pm
Wrong. My stance on him hasn’t changed whatsoever. I’m telling you what Braves seem to think of him, not what I think of him. Because BC, what I or you or anyone else (except Braves’ officials) think of him isn’t going to really matter when it comes to trading for a guy. DOB
And ain’t that the truth!!!!
nolie
November 10th, 2009
10:39 pm
trade Javier Vazquez and Jordan Schafer/Freddie Freeman for Matt Kemp (Dream)
Vazquez can’t be traded to lA without his consent, so your dream is just a lump of coal, sorry.
try coming up with something that is actually possible why doncha?
richbrave
November 10th, 2009
10:40 pm
Salty Dawg: That’s what DVR is for — so great shows like that don’t have to interrupted by weak-arse commercials that completely interrupt the flow and remind you you’re watching TV.
Too bad that can’t be applied on the field in the NFL as well.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
10:42 pm
“an error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it. truth stands, even if there be no public support. it is self sustained.” – mohandas gandhi,
nolie
November 10th, 2009
10:42 pm
Like I said, the pendulum’s probably swung a little too far now (DOB)
yeah I agree, for a coupla years or so now. getting over run with prospect-huggers
nolie
November 10th, 2009
10:47 pm
DOB, do you think the compensation system needs to change? (Efrim)
a better question is if DOB is hearing much in the way of potential change from clubs and GMs?
Random
November 10th, 2009
10:52 pm
Rock On (November 10th, 2009 7:56 pm): “DOB…thank you very much (at 6:13) for putting to rest the Japanese-thing about KK. Nobody cares if he is Japanese, Korean, Ethiopian or whatever. Can you pitch and pitch well? If he is traded I and many others could give a rip about his nationality or if it will chap any future players from that country. What will it bring us in return and are we a better team after the trade. It is amazing to me that anyone on this blog would have thought about nationality when trading a player or not trading a player.”
Huh.
Would that be the same DOB comment that included the following?
DOB (November 10th, 2009 6:13 pm): “Of course, at this time of the offseason there is so much posturing you never know how honest people are being”
Yes — yes, it was.
“Nobody cares if he is Japanese, Korean, Ethiopian or whatever.”
Japan does – tens and tens of millions of people there do.
“If he is traded I and many others could give a rip about his nationality or if it will chap any future players from that country.”
I’m pretty sure that no one here has ever thought that you did “give a rip” that he was Japanese — why should you? But what does that have to do with Wren’s decision making process?
PS: you appear to be quite easily amazed.
PPS: Kawakami will not be traded.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
10:52 pm
breaking: large hadron collider shut down by precision bird strike
The lhc is recovering from a serious overheating problem, caused by a piece of stale bread dropped by a bird onto an apparently unprotected thermal vent. impossible, you say?
has anyone seen this monstrosity built under france and switzerland? it will never work. the universe says so.lol
DAP
November 10th, 2009
10:54 pm
bobbys coxWhen Heyward and Freeman are ready to join the club, that’s 2 more lefties in the lineup.
I get ya. That’s probably a good reason to get a righty for the outfield at least.
p-town braveWe already had Lyle Overbay last season. His name then was Casey Kotchman.
Dude, please check some stats. That comparison is not even close to being even. Overbay is a much better hitter than casey kotchman.
DAP
November 10th, 2009
10:56 pm
mclouth’s contacts may not help him hit for a higher average, but maybe it will help him hit the ball harder. his power was down quite a bit the last part of this year.
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
11:00 pm
what about cubs get lowe, tampa bay gets k johnson and bradley, bravos get bj upton and ben zobrist, then prado or he moves to 1b. we get 2 young right handed bats with speed and power, maybe throw something else in to get percival if hes healthy again
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
11:03 pm
it’s a tough job standing there with your hair on fire, trying to convince america you don’t small any smoke
DAP
November 10th, 2009
11:10 pm
Ncgary, I personally do not believe that your service and the service those who were casualties was in vain. I think the worst thing someone could tell those folks and their families is that it was for nothing. It wasn’t. that, however, and what you posted could be construed as political, so lets not go there again. Thanks to all our veterans.
DAP
November 10th, 2009
11:10 pm
cadagan Shouldn’t we be looking for players who hit lefties?
Did you know that the braves hit lefties better than righties in 2009? Why do you think the braves need a player who hits lefties well? Shouldn’t we just get the guy who can hit?
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
11:13 pm
heres a question for all the economists out there, why wouldnt a plan where each state opens a state bank that buys all residents mortgages and loans it back to them at 2%.the states make money, the residents then have money to spend the economy actually grows. states have to collect less taxes, to fulfill political needs and the only ones who lose are the illegitimate fed reserve banksters
sounds like a plan to me, hey maybe if this were undertaken maybe someone besides corporations could buy baseball tickets again
ncgary
November 10th, 2009
11:14 pm
well lets not , but the fact remains we were lied to. and thats the simple truth
Random
November 10th, 2009
11:18 pm
tr (November 10th, 2009 5:51 pm): “Read a quote from Utley (wish I could remember where and provide a link) a week or so ago about pushing the Phillies to go after his old college teammate, Garrett Atkins.”
Perhaps from Ken Rosenthal?
“Phillies second baseman Chase Utley, a former teammate of Atkins’ at UCLA, has always wanted his old college buddy to join him in Philadelphia. If Atkins became a free agent, the Phillies almost certainly could get him for less than the $5 million they would pay Pedro Feliz if they exercised his option. The team needs to make that decision by Monday.”
Chuck James Was Solid Until The 6th!!!
November 10th, 2009
11:26 pm
Hey DOB, Wayne In Utah, N8, Lew and Crew,
Long time no talk, hope all has been well.. We made a nice push at the end there this season, just fell short. If ATL opened the season with the team they had on the field the last week, no doubt they win the division…
Anyway just tossing in my two cents, I agree, sign Javy to an extension dump Lowe or Kawakami, UNLESS you can get Nelson Cruz for ATL’s 4 hole. He is the most ideal candidate. But again, would Javy approve? Realistically Braun is out of the picture, so I am infatuated with Cruz. We shall see…. Should be a VERY interesting offseason, Wren makes the most randomly timed outof nowhere moves.. I’m liking his work, but again, you better get a HELL of alot back for Javy or you’ll just piss Chipper off more and without Javy the rotation is powerful but not as intense without Javy. I can’t wait to see what happens!
Who here thinks ATL should sign Smoltz back for a bullpen role? I’m sure he’d loved to retire in ATL with Cox in his last season and as quoted by Olney, “Smoltz is opening to any role…” I’d offer a Glavine type incentive laced deal… How could you lose??
Dent
November 10th, 2009
11:30 pm
SOA was a monster! Its on. As far as the Braves go the move will be an under the radar guy who will be solid. Look at Diaz. No one heard of him but the Braves knew they wanted him. Cant see a monster move ahead. No Bay or Holliday etc. Maybe a Hawpe or someone like that.
P. W. Hjort
November 10th, 2009
11:48 pm
Every piece of news about Holliday I’ve been hearing is seemingly about teams being eliminated from his sweepstakes. The Yankees and Mets have downplayed it, the Giants seem to prefer Jason Bay and might not have the $$, the Red Sox also seem to prefer Bay, the Dodgers and Angels don’t seem to be suitors, and everyone seems convinced the Cardinals won’t be able to pull it off.
A lot of what gets said publicly is complete garbage this time of year: teams playing politics, trying not to tip their hand, intentionally tipping their hand, or flat out lying about something. But still, it makes me wonder….
brian
November 10th, 2009
11:48 pm
would Pedro Feliz be a good addition for the Braves if he is not offered arbitration? He could play 1B and spell Chipper at 3B when he is needed. He also would not block Freddie Freeman if and hopefully when he is ready for the big leagues. Since we do have Infante who is very versatile I wonder if Feliz would be a better fit (and a cheaper fit) than DeRosa.
brian
November 10th, 2009
11:52 pm
he Chuck James – I wonder if he has healed up from his surgery. Maybe a Chuck James in the bullpen?
DAP
November 10th, 2009
11:57 pm
ncgary, now thats just insulting. you dont know me. you dont know anything about what i know, what ive studied, what ive done, what i do, or the cajones i have have. so shut it.
NotAgain
November 11th, 2009
12:01 am
Let’s drop the politics. It’s against board policy. Take it somewhere else more appropriate.
ncgary
November 11th, 2009
12:03 am
sorry if you are insulted , but you keep bringing it up.
nolie
November 11th, 2009
12:06 am
yeah it’s not supposed to be here,Gary. you talking respect in a way, so respect DOB’s wishes.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
12:07 am
no gary, i dont keep bringing it up. every response ive made to you has been to tell you that you shouldnt be talking about that here.
ncgary
November 11th, 2009
12:09 am
i hear ya, didnt mean to get carried away, but so many just believe everything the media prints amd have no idea what the truth is. someone has to teach them to question and make things right, or civilization will fall and then there wont be any baseball
Nick from PA
November 11th, 2009
12:11 am
DOB,
Have you heard any grumblings about Joey Votto being on the trade block?
ncgary
November 11th, 2009
12:11 am
yeah happy veterans day. amen
klaus
November 11th, 2009
12:16 am
What would you trade to the Reds for 1B Votto? I don’t think he is tradable but MLBTR mentioned the Reds cutting payroll and looking to add low priced prospects. In that piece Votto’s name along with Harang was mentioned.
I would think they keep Votto b/c he is cheap and a great hitter.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
12:18 am
MLBTR says the reds will be cutting payroll and looking to deal. the entry mentioned dealing votto, though that doesnt seem to make sense for a team cutting payroll. but still, getting votto would be a nice pickup.
Andrew
November 11th, 2009
12:20 am
Klaus, well you start with Freeman, and another prospect.
ccrider
November 11th, 2009
12:21 am
A couple of interesting names just popped up on MLB Trade Rumors: According to a Cincy reporter The Reds need to trim payroll and would consider trading Brandon Phillips and (More Importantly) Joey Votto. Votto would fill the 1st base power source very cheaply and Phillips has 20+ HR power and 25+ SB
ncgary
November 11th, 2009
12:23 am
schaefer.freeman and a choice of medlin reyes or rorhbough?
ccrider
November 11th, 2009
12:24 am
DAP: Getting Votto and Trading Lowe could get us seriously in the Holiday/Bay Sweepstakes and leave money to build a wicked bullpen.
ncgary
November 11th, 2009
12:26 am
didnt votto have an illness this past year though? brief and unexplained?
ncgary
November 11th, 2009
12:27 am
like a few others are about too
David O'Brien
November 11th, 2009
12:28 am
Trade Joey Votto? No, haven’t heard that one. Unless there’s some circumstances I’m not aware of, that makes zero sense to me. Why would they even consider that? I really tend to doubt that one.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
12:30 am
ncgary someone has to teach them to question and make things right, or civilization will fall and then there wont be any baseball
that made me laugh. happy veterans day.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
12:32 am
DOB, doesnt make a ton of sense to me either, but the MLBTR site says they have yonder alonso waiting in the minors.
DAP
November 11th, 2009
12:37 am
i have to say, when i saw phillip’s name i scoffed, because his contract is kinda heavy for the production he supplies. he is owed $17.75mil garunteed over two years, with a third year option. but, the more i looked at what he brings, the more reasonable the contract looks. he plays excellent defense…one of the best 2nd baseman in the majors, i think, he is fast, steals bases, and hits a good number of doubles and homers. he does not get on base alot, but he has alot of value overall as a player.
Jay212033
November 11th, 2009
12:49 am
“I hope Wren doesn’t make the mistake of signing Billy Wagner and giving up his first round draft pick. For a Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, or John Lackey, sure. Long term investment that’s worth the pick. A 38 year old relief pitcher doesn’t fall into that category, imo.”
We already did this with a 40 Y.O. before and lost the #18 pick! I hope we don’t make that mistake again.
Jay212033
November 11th, 2009
12:53 am
I can see the Reds trading Alonso to get pitching but not Votto who’s young, cheap and controllable for the next 4 seasons. Now the Reds might be afraid of his mental issues he had this past season that could possibly be the reason but I doubt it.