Here is what’s going to happen. FW will make a big trade, and I will come on and claim that I was the one who suggest exactly the same trade. Then Random will come in and prove that I spelled somebody’s name wrong on my prediction, and negate my blog victory, and I will then have to leave, only to come back as “BravesFaninUtah” to avoid the shame and embarrasment!
I wrote, “fairly large-salaried hitter.” There is nothing about Holliday or Bay that is going to be “fairly” large-salaried. Each of them could get a multi-year deal worth between $15-20 mill per season.
I’ll answer you because it’s not realistic. It was mentioned that the Reds may trade Phillips but not for what you offerd. You have a gold glove caliber 2B with speed and power and you’re not offering enough to begin the conversation let alone make a deal and then you have the Reds throw in Rhodes also? Kelly Johnson does not have much value if any at all. You would have to offer a package that’s well beyond what you because if the Reds trade Phillips they will open up the market and expect a ton back.
beekay- I’ve heard those same rumors regarding Chone. I’d be surprised. They don’t need him at third. If they trade Castillo (which is starting to look likely) then I think they can get Hudson easy (He’s proclaimed repeatedly he wants to play for the Mets). Maybe at a discount – that would be nice for a change. So I’m not sure what they do with Figgins? Left- why?
Sounds more like posturing to me – not sure by which side though.
Phillips came up throught the minrs as a SS so other than 2B I bet he wouldn’t be a happy cmaper playing any other position. He supposedly can be a little moody but he can definitely hit. He’s averaged about .275 over the last 3 years with 24 HR’s and 90 RBI’s along with 26 SB’s. That’s why you wouldn’t get him cheap…
DOB…in answering Chris’ question, you kind of leave yourself open to criticism, because by dumping Lowe’s salary that would clear up $15 million, which is essentially what you are saying that Bay and Holliday will probably make ($15-$20 million)….i mean, from what i’ve read, it doesn’t seem like Bay is going to have any chance at all of getting anything more than $15 mill a year…..Holliday maybe….but regardless, from the way it looks/sounds, if the Braves did clear Lowe’s salary, why couldn’t they flip that 15mil over in to a contract for Bay?!?!?!
CB, maybe we’ll see you at the champoinship game, LOL. I tell you, I thought the Tigers were as weak this year as they have been in years, and they might go farther than they have in years. Go figure.
Tiger hoops start tonight, too. Be very afraid, LOL. Trevor Booker’s little (6′8″, 240) brother gets his first game action.
Lew- Probably because they just gave $9mil per to Hudson which wasn’t in the plan. I’d bet Wren assured mgt that he would get those $’s back by trading Lowe or Javy. In other words – they spent the salary dump in advance. IMO anyway.
I like 18 Wheels’ comment on moving Prado to LF and Uggla at 2nd. Just think about it, since Uggla has won the iron glove award since his Call-Up to the Majors and his best position is 2nd, and prado can play above average anywhere u want him to, best-case scenario is we start uggla at 2nd and prado in left.
scoots,I think we were the opposite of your team with high expectations and big disappointments. That is ok,there is always next year. I think our basketball team could suprise a few people.
Lew, I “opened myself up to criticism” by saying the Braves might be able to go after a “fairly high-salaried” hitter? Whatever, dude.
If you think Holliday and Bay are “fairly high-salaried,” then please explain to us what a bona fide, straight-up high-high salaried hitter would be? Do tell. Would that just be, like, two guys — ARod, Manny, and soon Pujols? Just checking.
Despite how you view it, I think most people here probably don’t associate Bay and Holliday with the phrase “fairly high-salaried” hitters on this market. I really don’t. They’re the top end of the market. I think most people would think of about $8-10 mill, maybe LaRoche-type money, as fairly high salaried.
If you don’t, by all means criticize, as you suggest I’ve warranted.
By the way, for future reference, if I say a ballplayer, or a movie or TV show, is “fairly good,” I don’t think that’s an overwhelming recommendation. If I say I drive a fairly nice car, don’t expect me to pull up in a BMW 700 Series.
DOB or anyone else, has Javier Vasquez indicated to anyone that he might also sign a contract extension for a “hometown discount”? Also was curious as to whether Derek Lowe has strong feelings about staying in Atlanta.
best-case scenario is we start uggla at 2nd and prado in left.
I disagree completely. Not only is left an easier position to play than 2b, but it’s also not nearly as important to a team’s success (unless the left fielder literally can’t catch a fly ball, in which case he probably shouldn’t be a pro athlete).
I went to the Rangers/Thrashers (that’s Atlanta’s NHL team) game last night. I can’t even beat you guys in hockey these days – damn!
Lol Anders. You have a few more chances coming up. Falcons vs. Giants on 11/22, and Falcons at Jets on 12/20. Sorry, but the Knicks aren’t beating the Hawks this year. But, the Rangers could get redemption on the Thrashers on 12/14 or 1/7 or 3/12. The Islanders just beat the Thrashers and there’s 3 more meetings between the teams if you want some sort of gratification of any NY team beating an ATL team.
CB, your guys are my ACC sleeper this year. I still wake up in the middle of the night sometimes, scared of Delaney, LOL; get the kid any help at all, and VT will win some games. Sumbee sure put a hurtin’ on the Tigers last year.
Don’t know what the imposter’s problem is-I’ve been saying all along that Bay and Holliday aren’t even dreams in the Braves’ eye with their potential $16-18 million salaries.
Real Lew, I hear ya. Now you know how frustrating it is for me to see the comments from the guy who insists on posting as O’Brien. Only a matter of time before he posts a rumor or whatever that some trade-rumor site picks up and associates with me. You wait and see.
DOB,Lew, the reason i changed my blog name precisely! DOB next time you ride,stop off in Dawsonville and give BigD’s BBQ a try,if you haven’t already done so…delicious!Especially the fried green beans!
DOB- i think you opened yourself to criticism when you mentioned via free agency or trading prospects. holliday and bay are free agents… and only mike cameron would also be in that ” fairly large-salaried” hitter in the free agent class this year. instead of saying “by trading lowe, the braves would be able to be clear up money for a bat, bullpen needs, etc”. especially on this blog, at this time of year, people can definitly take things out of context.
For the record, Lew (Lew from Vermont that is), the other guy hadn’t posted on here in seven months, at least not from that IP address he’s using now. Went by another screen name before.
We’ll suggest to him now to use that previous screen name or find another, since using someone else’s here a bannable offense (even if the other guy’s name is Lew — sorry, man, that’s already taken). Using an already in-use screen name her gets too confusing, and the repeat user is usually doing it for nefarious reasons.
Mizza, I will not disagree with you that Uggla, is an offensive upgrade over Loaf, but two things come into play here, first Wren can get comparative production for much less, and the other is the Giants are in play!
if jason bay is getting a $14 million a year that equals a 700 BMW series, (since it’s higher than a fairly large salary) i wonder what a teixeria, sabathia, burnett, hunter, ramierez, carlos lee tpye contract would get you lol
And by the way, Vazquez does indeed still have the no-trade clause for West teams. That wasn’t dropped when he came to the Braves
What will be real interesting to see is, if the Braves keep Vazquez and extend his contract, will his no-trade be extended as well??? Then we will know if the “policy” has changed.
i saw bowman’s blog earlier today, mentioning the brewers and angels as possbile trade partners for lowe. i’m sure the braves would try to grab a bitter from those two teams. maybe a corey hart from the brwers or if a trade happens with the angels, braves would most likely target juan rivera.
Lew (Real or not): Todate, I can’t think of a single version of a NTC the team has offered. So it would be a change from the past… could we believe in it though? I don’t know.
radio cure- i dont know what DOB means by fairly large salaried players. MANY people could take that as a $15 million dollar a year contract or $5 million a year….
Looking at his list, I’m glad I don’t live in Ken Rosenthal’s perfect world (RS10)
It won’t surprise me a bit if that is the level of talent we sign whether it’s those particular players or not. I can readily see a Cameron type as our big acquisition.
CB- Not sure where you saw that. I haven’t. I heard at the end of the year that they didn’t feel the need to lock him up at this point. Maybe that’s changed – I just haven’t seen it.
Well, at least I don’t have anyone wanting to pretend to be me…no one else wants to argue w/ Random and DAP
DAP-
Read your last few posts finally…(unfortunately work takes precedence)
Anyways, two things I can say…
First, this one may hurt McFann’s feelings…(love ya girl) BMac is NOT a cleanup hitter…then again, neither is your guy Swisher…for lack of a better phrase, I am grouping him with you because you talk about him so much, just like I have to group ccrider w/ Mike Cameron since he feels the need to consistently bring him up throughout his posts, just as you can all associate me with Jason Bay and Garrett Atkins since I once again will shamlessly plug them for the team
My 2nd point…
No great trade has ever been started by we’ll give you (______) for Wilson Betemit.
Oh, and thanks again RC for jumpin on the “TOOK YER JOB” reference…still so classic!
Lew (Real or not): Todate, I can’t think of a single version of a NTC the team has offered. So it would be a change from the past… could we believe in it though? I don’t know.
Just for a little perpective of WHY the Braves refused to give a NTC in the past, just take a look at the current Derrek Lowe situation. His agent wanted a NTC, and the Braves had to pay a little bit extra to get him signed without it. If he DID have one, we’d be in much worse shape going into this offseason than we currently are (unless of course we can’t find a team to take Lowe off our hands).
Dec. 1st is the deadline for teams to offer salary arbitration eligible players salary arbitration. Anyone have odds on whether the Braves will offer Kelly Johnson salary arbitration?
Chris, 4:34 pm … “if jason bay is getting a $14 million a year that equals a 700 BMW series, … i wonder what a teixeria, sabathia, burnett, hunter, ramierez, carlos lee tpye contract would get you lol”
Oh, and thanks again RC for jumpin on the “TOOK YER JOB” reference…still so classic!
No problem P-Town Brave. Hopefully DOB doesn’t fall into the same category as certain Harley riders that were parodied on that show (Only way I could phrase that without mentioning a blocked/ban worthy word).
Vaz for Paplebon, then take the 6 mill we will save from Soriano and the 3 mill from Loaf, 3 mill from Church, 3mill savings from Huddy, 3 mill from KJ and sign Roachie for 2 yrs 15 mill and D-Rosa 2 yr 12 mill and resign Gozo 3yrs 12 mill…..this adds no payroll, gives us 2 decent bats, and gives us a bullpen of Medlen, OFlar in the 7th…Gonzo, Moylan in the 8th and Paps in the 9th. If we got 6 strong innings from starters we would dominate
Here’s my take on what’s happening. From the Braves standpoint, they are better off saying Vazquez isn’t available. That way they can dangle Lowe first and see if they get any takers. Who in their right mind would ask for Lowe in the trade when they know Vazquez might be available. Doesn’t make sense. I would imagine a lot of the rumor mill is just agents, GM’s and local beat writers (you’re the exception DOB, not talking about you) just trying to force someone to tip their hand. It’s all a big game of poker this early in the off-season.
Common sense tells me that the Dodgers are not a good fit. But it has more to do with what I’d like in return, than Javy’s NTC (N8)
common sense tells me that if a guy demands a NTC for teams in a certain section of the country specifying that he does not want to be on the left coast and previously demanded a trade away from Arizona which is nearer than the left coast, that it’s pretty damn unlikely that he is gonna agree to go to the left coast. It’s not impossible but ‘common sense’ has to say it’s very unlikely.
i agree dpelfrey. i’m really intrigued of what the braves could get back for vazquez. but braun, fielder, a. gonzalez, eithier, and kemp are essentially not available, so why trade vazquez? lowe is the one the braves are trying to trade and then go a hitter or two by trading some prospects.
I would imagine a lot of the rumor mill is just agents, GM’s and local beat writers (you’re the exception DOB, not talking about you) just trying to force someone to tip their hand.
I’m reminded that I have to do a much better job of sucking up to the Crusading Everyman, LOL. I’ve been slack in that regard.
I made a case for Mat Gamel and Carlos Villanueva, BUT could this possibly be for The Prince?
The Brewers can’t seem to give up on the “Carlos Villanueva, the starter™” experiment and likely won’t part with him since that’s their area of weakness. Based on the scouting reports of Gamel and opinions of experts, I don’t think the Braves think nearly as highly of him as a lot of people do. And Prince Fielder isn’t going to be traded per Doug Melvin.
really? thats funny, because he spent all season there.
No great trade has ever been started by we’ll give you (______) for Wilson Betemit.
p-town, i dont want to say something mean, but you are delusional if you dont think nick swisher was a fantastic trade for the yankees. you are simply choosing to be ignorant the season he just had.
Here’s my take on what’s happening. From the Braves standpoint, they are better off saying Vazquez isn’t available. That way they can dangle Lowe first and see if they get any takers. Who in their right mind would ask for Lowe in the trade when they know Vazquez might be available (dpelfrey)
OK, so now all you need is for Wren and JS to go around with those things Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones used in The Men In Black to make everyone forget that Vasquez might be on the market. Sounds simple to me.
Nope, huh-uh, bad idea. You go with that, you basically make Plan A as “everybody will perform to their offensive norms or better, and that will be enough”. Never works like that, never has (Scoots)
as opposed to plan B where you pick up an expensive name hitter and he has a bad year?
anders- laroche signing is another big issue the braves have to solve. if i was me, i would sign laroche to a three year deal, while trading freeman for a bat, but that’s just me.
If you walk into a gay bar, does that make you gay? ‘Nuff said!
PWH-
Yeah, that last part (Fielder) was just for blog fodder…
A Brewers fan on MLBTR seems to think Gamel and Parra would get that done…Not sure about Parra…he seems like another Jo-Jo to me. Other than Gamel, what could they possibly give us to make up for trading Javy?
This is why I think Lowe has a better chance at going their way as I just don’t believe they have multiple chips to get Javy.
p-townJust because he bats there doesn’t make it so…
actually yeah it absolutely does. i heard the announcers all season saying, “the cleanup hitter, brian mccann”… and even though he is a catcher, and doesnt play everyday, he doesnt have a bad skill set as a hitter to be a cleanup hitter. most people’s objection to him hitting cleanup is probably based on the fact that he misses the sunday day games because he needs days off. i understand that, but its not like his skill set just is alien to the cleanup spot. it isnt.
P-Town
I just don’t want to get a player of Loafs caliber.We need better if we decide to trade D-Lowe or Vaz. I actually would rather have Loaf over Hart and wouldn’t want to pay Cameron or dye 6-7 mill
Chris you really want to trade our 2nd rated prospect…please read he is a future gold glover as well
Background: The youngest player to sign out of the 2007 draft, Freeman continues to be Robin to Jason Heyward’s Batman. He reached Double-A at age 19 last summer and hit .319/.354/.493 in his first month there before lingering soreness in his left wrist hampered his production. He missed the last two weeks, but didn’t need surgery and headed to the Arizona Fall League.
Strengths: Freeman has been an RBI machine at every level, thriving with runners in scoring position. He drives the ball with consistency with a sweet, fluid swing, and scouts believe his doubles will become homers as he gains experience and strength. Comparisons to Keith Hernandez and Mark Grace with more power have become commonplace because of his defense, which managers rated the best among first basemen in both the Carolina and Southern leagues last season.
Weaknesses: Freeman runs well enough for a big man but never will be noted for his speed. His attacking approach at the plate doesn’t lend itself to walks, but Atlanta gladly will sacrifice some on-base percentage for RBIs.
The Future: The Braves will seek a stopgap solution at first base for 2010, with an eye on turning the position over to Freeman the next season. With him and Heyward, the Braves should be set at the right-side corners for the foreseeable future.
2009 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Myrtle Beach (HiA) .302 .394 .447 255 43 77 19 0 6 34 26 41 1
Mississippi (AA) .248 .308 .342 149 15 37 8 0 2 24 11 19 0
Why not sign Vlad Guerrero for 3-5 mil like I read on fox sports he would take for 1 year.He would be a better fit than some of the other guys they said the braves would be interested in like Mike cameron,nady,marlon byrd,ext.
by the way, a few other cleanup hitters from around the league include casey blake, carlos lee, bengie molina, jorge cantu, and these are all guys that mccann is at least as good as, if not better than.
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Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:47 pm
Gamels anybody? Hart scares me. Too much Frenchy.
Here is what’s going to happen. FW will make a big trade, and I will come on and claim that I was the one who suggest exactly the same trade. Then Random will come in and prove that I spelled somebody’s name wrong on my prediction, and negate my blog victory, and I will then have to leave, only to come back as “BravesFaninUtah” to avoid the shame and embarrasment!
abwright
November 13th, 2009
3:48 pm
Eavesdropper, 3:03 pm … “Oh! by the way everyone here knows who I am,been here a long time,only thing new is the name!!give you one guess”
Melissa!!!
Anders
November 13th, 2009
3:48 pm
BAS is in the house. Helmets on.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:49 pm
scoots
I got your $20 in the mail!
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
3:51 pm
Chris: No, that’s not what I’m saying.
I wrote, “fairly large-salaried hitter.” There is nothing about Holliday or Bay that is going to be “fairly” large-salaried. Each of them could get a multi-year deal worth between $15-20 mill per season.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
3:51 pm
BTW-I went to the Rangers/Thrashers (that’s Atlanta’s NHL team) game last night. I can’t even beat you guys in hockey these days – damn!
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:51 pm
BAS
Your about 12 hours off man! I was beginning to think you were a vampire.
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:52 pm
scoots and Wayne, being a Hokie I can’t brag too much on Clemson, but you guys would pass for Southern gentlemen.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:56 pm
scoots
My 17 year old, who is a big Tigers/Spiller fan, is hoping he gets drafted by the Niners, our fav pro team.
He was born there, when I went back for grad school in the early 90’s.
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:56 pm
DOB,I thought you had learned your lesson from bravesfan4ever- there you go again.
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
3:56 pm
GoBraves123,.
I’ll answer you because it’s not realistic. It was mentioned that the Reds may trade Phillips but not for what you offerd. You have a gold glove caliber 2B with speed and power and you’re not offering enough to begin the conversation let alone make a deal and then you have the Reds throw in Rhodes also? Kelly Johnson does not have much value if any at all. You would have to offer a package that’s well beyond what you because if the Reds trade Phillips they will open up the market and expect a ton back.
beekay
November 13th, 2009
3:57 pm
BA Steve–ESPN.com
Anders-My sources have Chone going to your boys…what say you?
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:59 pm
abWright,I think Melissa married Joe and made a little Eavesdropper.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
4:03 pm
Melissa????? my dead wife’s name how’d you know
Anders
November 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
beekay- I’ve heard those same rumors regarding Chone. I’d be surprised. They don’t need him at third. If they trade Castillo (which is starting to look likely) then I think they can get Hudson easy (He’s proclaimed repeatedly he wants to play for the Mets). Maybe at a discount – that would be nice for a change. So I’m not sure what they do with Figgins? Left- why?
Sounds more like posturing to me – not sure by which side though.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
not funny however
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
4:04 pm
Wayne,
Phillips came up throught the minrs as a SS so other than 2B I bet he wouldn’t be a happy cmaper playing any other position. He supposedly can be a little moody but he can definitely hit. He’s averaged about .275 over the last 3 years with 24 HR’s and 90 RBI’s along with 26 SB’s. That’s why you wouldn’t get him cheap…
Lew
November 13th, 2009
4:05 pm
DOB…in answering Chris’ question, you kind of leave yourself open to criticism, because by dumping Lowe’s salary that would clear up $15 million, which is essentially what you are saying that Bay and Holliday will probably make ($15-$20 million)….i mean, from what i’ve read, it doesn’t seem like Bay is going to have any chance at all of getting anything more than $15 mill a year…..Holliday maybe….but regardless, from the way it looks/sounds, if the Braves did clear Lowe’s salary, why couldn’t they flip that 15mil over in to a contract for Bay?!?!?!
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
4:05 pm
CB, maybe we’ll see you at the champoinship game, LOL. I tell you, I thought the Tigers were as weak this year as they have been in years, and they might go farther than they have in years. Go figure.
Tiger hoops start tonight, too. Be very afraid, LOL. Trevor Booker’s little (6′8″, 240) brother gets his first game action.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
4:09 pm
Lew- Probably because they just gave $9mil per to Hudson which wasn’t in the plan. I’d bet Wren assured mgt that he would get those $’s back by trading Lowe or Javy. In other words – they spent the salary dump in advance. IMO anyway.
Mirza
November 13th, 2009
4:11 pm
I like 18 Wheels’ comment on moving Prado to LF and Uggla at 2nd. Just think about it, since Uggla has won the iron glove award since his Call-Up to the Majors and his best position is 2nd, and prado can play above average anywhere u want him to, best-case scenario is we start uggla at 2nd and prado in left.
CB
November 13th, 2009
4:13 pm
scoots,I think we were the opposite of your team with high expectations and big disappointments. That is ok,there is always next year. I think our basketball team could suprise a few people.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
4:14 pm
Lew, I “opened myself up to criticism” by saying the Braves might be able to go after a “fairly high-salaried” hitter? Whatever, dude.
If you think Holliday and Bay are “fairly high-salaried,” then please explain to us what a bona fide, straight-up high-high salaried hitter would be? Do tell. Would that just be, like, two guys — ARod, Manny, and soon Pujols? Just checking.
Despite how you view it, I think most people here probably don’t associate Bay and Holliday with the phrase “fairly high-salaried” hitters on this market. I really don’t. They’re the top end of the market. I think most people would think of about $8-10 mill, maybe LaRoche-type money, as fairly high salaried.
If you don’t, by all means criticize, as you suggest I’ve warranted.
By the way, for future reference, if I say a ballplayer, or a movie or TV show, is “fairly good,” I don’t think that’s an overwhelming recommendation. If I say I drive a fairly nice car, don’t expect me to pull up in a BMW 700 Series.
Mac
November 13th, 2009
4:15 pm
DOB or anyone else, has Javier Vasquez indicated to anyone that he might also sign a contract extension for a “hometown discount”? Also was curious as to whether Derek Lowe has strong feelings about staying in Atlanta.
RC
November 13th, 2009
4:16 pm
best-case scenario is we start uggla at 2nd and prado in left.
I disagree completely. Not only is left an easier position to play than 2b, but it’s also not nearly as important to a team’s success (unless the left fielder literally can’t catch a fly ball, in which case he probably shouldn’t be a pro athlete).
O.J.
November 13th, 2009
4:16 pm
I think by the time the Braves are able to trade Lowe, Holliday and Bay will be off the market already. just my gut feeling.
TnBrian
November 13th, 2009
4:16 pm
Who knows, maybe the Braves end up getting Miguel Cabrera to play 1st & sign DeRosa for the OF.
Bobby's Cox
November 13th, 2009
4:17 pm
I went to the Rangers/Thrashers (that’s Atlanta’s NHL team) game last night. I can’t even beat you guys in hockey these days – damn!
Lol Anders. You have a few more chances coming up. Falcons vs. Giants on 11/22, and Falcons at Jets on 12/20. Sorry, but the Knicks aren’t beating the Hawks this year. But, the Rangers could get redemption on the Thrashers on 12/14 or 1/7 or 3/12. The Islanders just beat the Thrashers and there’s 3 more meetings between the teams if you want some sort of gratification of any NY team beating an ATL team.
Lew
November 13th, 2009
4:19 pm
DOB-You might want to check the particulars of the 4:05 Poster. It was not your resident artist.
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
4:22 pm
CB, your guys are my ACC sleeper this year. I still wake up in the middle of the night sometimes, scared of Delaney, LOL; get the kid any help at all, and VT will win some games. Sumbee sure put a hurtin’ on the Tigers last year.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
4:22 pm
Mizza,there’s only one problem with that!Wren has stated publicly that Prado is the Starter at 2b.perhaps even to the chagrin of Booby!
Lew
November 13th, 2009
4:24 pm
Don’t know what the imposter’s problem is-I’ve been saying all along that Bay and Holliday aren’t even dreams in the Braves’ eye with their potential $16-18 million salaries.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
4:24 pm
Real Lew, I hear ya. Now you know how frustrating it is for me to see the comments from the guy who insists on posting as O’Brien. Only a matter of time before he posts a rumor or whatever that some trade-rumor site picks up and associates with me. You wait and see.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
4:27 pm
DOB,Lew, the reason i changed my blog name precisely! DOB next time you ride,stop off in Dawsonville and give BigD’s BBQ a try,if you haven’t already done so…delicious!Especially the fried green beans!
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
4:29 pm
Lew how have you been my friend? still want you to do the Portrait of my mother-in-law for my lovely wife!
Chris
November 13th, 2009
4:29 pm
DOB- i think you opened yourself to criticism when you mentioned via free agency or trading prospects. holliday and bay are free agents… and only mike cameron would also be in that ” fairly large-salaried” hitter in the free agent class this year. instead of saying “by trading lowe, the braves would be able to be clear up money for a bat, bullpen needs, etc”. especially on this blog, at this time of year, people can definitly take things out of context.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
4:30 pm
For the record, Lew (Lew from Vermont that is), the other guy hadn’t posted on here in seven months, at least not from that IP address he’s using now. Went by another screen name before.
We’ll suggest to him now to use that previous screen name or find another, since using someone else’s here a bannable offense (even if the other guy’s name is Lew — sorry, man, that’s already taken). Using an already in-use screen name her gets too confusing, and the repeat user is usually doing it for nefarious reasons.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
4:31 pm
DOB- i think you opened yourself to criticism when you mentioned via free agency or trading prospects. holliday and bay are free agents… — Chris
Yeah. OK.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
4:31 pm
Mizza, I will not disagree with you that Uggla, is an offensive upgrade over Loaf, but two things come into play here, first Wren can get comparative production for much less, and the other is the Giants are in play!
abwright
November 13th, 2009
4:32 pm
RC, 4:16 pm … “(unless the left fielder literally can’t catch a fly ball, in which case he probably shouldn’t be a pro athlete).”
Braves had a left fielder last year that could catch every fly ball that he could reach. Alas, he couldn’t quite reach many of them.
Lew
November 13th, 2009
4:33 pm
DOB-THanks. I wasn’t all that upset because the other Dude hadn’t really posted anything all that nasty, but….
Nitram-Is that you?
Anders
November 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
DOB- As always you make a fairly good argument.
CB
November 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
scoots,yes Delaney is a shooter,great when he is hot and kills you when he is cold. Watch Victor Davilla,should really come into his own this season.
RC
November 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
Braves had a left fielder last year that could catch every fly ball that he could reach. Alas, he couldn’t quite reach many of them.
Very true. But I’m fairly certain he’d have caused much more harm at 2b than LF.
Chris
November 13th, 2009
4:34 pm
if jason bay is getting a $14 million a year that equals a 700 BMW series, (since it’s higher than a fairly large salary) i wonder what a teixeria, sabathia, burnett, hunter, ramierez, carlos lee tpye contract would get you lol
TennesseePaul
November 13th, 2009
4:35 pm
And by the way, Vazquez does indeed still have the no-trade clause for West teams. That wasn’t dropped when he came to the Braves
What will be real interesting to see is, if the Braves keep Vazquez and extend his contract, will his no-trade be extended as well??? Then we will know if the “policy” has changed.
Lew
November 13th, 2009
4:37 pm
TenPaul-That is such a specific NTC, though, even if they extend him they may write that in there.
Necromancer
November 13th, 2009
4:37 pm
Is Paul Lentz finally gone?
Sorry, just had to ask…
Chris
November 13th, 2009
4:37 pm
i saw bowman’s blog earlier today, mentioning the brewers and angels as possbile trade partners for lowe. i’m sure the braves would try to grab a bitter from those two teams. maybe a corey hart from the brwers or if a trade happens with the angels, braves would most likely target juan rivera.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
If Selig puts the Braves back in the West do they have to let Vasquez go? I just want to have all my options covered.
TennesseePaul
November 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
But I’m fairly certain he’d have caused much more harm at 2b than LF
Ugh. Just thinking of that perspective… the team could just as well push the Hank Aaron statue out to second.
Radio Cure
November 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
DOB, you have me cracking up over the definition of “fairly good”
Chris
November 13th, 2009
4:38 pm
whoops, hitter, not bitter lol sorry trying to type as fast as possible while staying busy
TennesseePaul
November 13th, 2009
4:39 pm
Lew (Real or not): Todate, I can’t think of a single version of a NTC the team has offered. So it would be a change from the past… could we believe in it though? I don’t know.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
4:39 pm
Did anyone else get one of those brain freeze feeling headaches at 4:37? Thanks Necromancer!
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
4:39 pm
Ugh. Just thinking of that perspective… the team could just as well push the Hank Aaron statue out to second.
Better hands, same range. The statue, I mean.
RC
November 13th, 2009
4:41 pm
Ugh. Just thinking of that perspective… the team could just as well push the Hank Aaron statue out to second.
I can’t help but picture ground balls carooming off the statue into the hands of Escobar or LaRoche, with the batter giving a “COME ON!” look
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Btw, anyone else heading to the Brian McCann softball game at Tech tonight? On my way home to get ready for it now
Chris
November 13th, 2009
4:41 pm
radio cure- i dont know what DOB means by fairly large salaried players. MANY people could take that as a $15 million dollar a year contract or $5 million a year….
CB
November 13th, 2009
4:41 pm
Anders, I see Minaya said they were talking to Francoeur about an extension,I think about a 3yr 30mil ought to lock him up. What do you think?
nolie
November 13th, 2009
4:42 pm
Looking at his list, I’m glad I don’t live in Ken Rosenthal’s perfect world (RS10)
It won’t surprise me a bit if that is the level of talent we sign whether it’s those particular players or not. I can readily see a Cameron type as our big acquisition.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
CB- Not sure where you saw that. I haven’t. I heard at the end of the year that they didn’t feel the need to lock him up at this point. Maybe that’s changed – I just haven’t seen it.
Necromancer
November 13th, 2009
4:43 pm
No problem, Anders,
That’s what I get for not being on here in a while…
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
4:44 pm
Well, at least I don’t have anyone wanting to pretend to be me…no one else wants to argue w/ Random and DAP
DAP-
Read your last few posts finally…(unfortunately work takes precedence)
Anyways, two things I can say…
First, this one may hurt McFann’s feelings…(love ya girl) BMac is NOT a cleanup hitter…then again, neither is your guy Swisher…for lack of a better phrase, I am grouping him with you because you talk about him so much, just like I have to group ccrider w/ Mike Cameron since he feels the need to consistently bring him up throughout his posts, just as you can all associate me with Jason Bay and Garrett Atkins since I once again will shamlessly plug them for the team
My 2nd point…
No great trade has ever been started by we’ll give you (______) for Wilson Betemit.
Oh, and thanks again RC for jumpin on the “TOOK YER JOB” reference…still so classic!
RC
November 13th, 2009
4:44 pm
Lew (Real or not): Todate, I can’t think of a single version of a NTC the team has offered. So it would be a change from the past… could we believe in it though? I don’t know.
Just for a little perpective of WHY the Braves refused to give a NTC in the past, just take a look at the current Derrek Lowe situation. His agent wanted a NTC, and the Braves had to pay a little bit extra to get him signed without it. If he DID have one, we’d be in much worse shape going into this offseason than we currently are (unless of course we can’t find a team to take Lowe off our hands).
Paul Lentz
November 13th, 2009
4:46 pm
Dec. 1st is the deadline for teams to offer salary arbitration eligible players salary arbitration. Anyone have odds on whether the Braves will offer Kelly Johnson salary arbitration?
abwright
November 13th, 2009
4:47 pm
Chris, 4:34 pm … “if jason bay is getting a $14 million a year that equals a 700 BMW series, … i wonder what a teixeria, sabathia, burnett, hunter, ramierez, carlos lee tpye contract would get you lol”
A Delorean tricked out as a time machine?
RC
November 13th, 2009
4:47 pm
Oh, and thanks again RC for jumpin on the “TOOK YER JOB” reference…still so classic!
No problem P-Town Brave. Hopefully DOB doesn’t fall into the same category as certain Harley riders that were parodied on that show
(Only way I could phrase that without mentioning a blocked/ban worthy word).
boonie27
November 13th, 2009
4:48 pm
How about a Lowe for Corey Hart swap? Would the Brew Crew do that? Or how about Vazquez for Hart & Todd Coffey?
CB
November 13th, 2009
4:49 pm
Anders,it was on MLBTR-a NY Post writer,Bart Hubbuch.
BravesFanChris25
November 13th, 2009
4:50 pm
From MLBTR:
Braves are interested in 36 year-old Japanese righty Hidetaka Kawagoe.
Possibly for BP?
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
4:51 pm
From Mark Bowman:
http://markbowman.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/11/braves_not_talking_to_dodgers.html
Question is, who would you want from the Brewers?
I made a case for Mat Gamel and Carlos Villanueva, BUT could this possibly be for The Prince?
beekay
November 13th, 2009
4:51 pm
Vaz for Paplebon, then take the 6 mill we will save from Soriano and the 3 mill from Loaf, 3 mill from Church, 3mill savings from Huddy, 3 mill from KJ and sign Roachie for 2 yrs 15 mill and D-Rosa 2 yr 12 mill and resign Gozo 3yrs 12 mill…..this adds no payroll, gives us 2 decent bats, and gives us a bullpen of Medlen, OFlar in the 7th…Gonzo, Moylan in the 8th and Paps in the 9th. If we got 6 strong innings from starters we would dominate
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
4:52 pm
I can readily see a Cameron type as our big acquisition.
Man, just hush with that, my brother, LOL.
Lew
November 13th, 2009
4:52 pm
But could we get the balls to caromb off of Uggla to Yunel?
dpelfrey
November 13th, 2009
4:56 pm
Here’s my take on what’s happening. From the Braves standpoint, they are better off saying Vazquez isn’t available. That way they can dangle Lowe first and see if they get any takers. Who in their right mind would ask for Lowe in the trade when they know Vazquez might be available. Doesn’t make sense. I would imagine a lot of the rumor mill is just agents, GM’s and local beat writers (you’re the exception DOB, not talking about you) just trying to force someone to tip their hand. It’s all a big game of poker this early in the off-season.
nolie
November 13th, 2009
5:00 pm
Common sense tells me that the Dodgers are not a good fit. But it has more to do with what I’d like in return, than Javy’s NTC (N8)
common sense tells me that if a guy demands a NTC for teams in a certain section of the country specifying that he does not want to be on the left coast and previously demanded a trade away from Arizona which is nearer than the left coast, that it’s pretty damn unlikely that he is gonna agree to go to the left coast. It’s not impossible but ‘common sense’ has to say it’s very unlikely.
Chris
November 13th, 2009
5:00 pm
i agree dpelfrey. i’m really intrigued of what the braves could get back for vazquez. but braun, fielder, a. gonzalez, eithier, and kemp are essentially not available, so why trade vazquez? lowe is the one the braves are trying to trade and then go a hitter or two by trading some prospects.
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
5:01 pm
I would imagine a lot of the rumor mill is just agents, GM’s and local beat writers (you’re the exception DOB, not talking about you) just trying to force someone to tip their hand.
I’m reminded that I have to do a much better job of sucking up to the Crusading Everyman, LOL. I’ve been slack in that regard.
DOB, you madcap! Good blog!
P. W. Hjort
November 13th, 2009
5:04 pm
Question is, who would you want from the Brewers?
I made a case for Mat Gamel and Carlos Villanueva, BUT could this possibly be for The Prince?
The Brewers can’t seem to give up on the “Carlos Villanueva, the starter™” experiment and likely won’t part with him since that’s their area of weakness. Based on the scouting reports of Gamel and opinions of experts, I don’t think the Braves think nearly as highly of him as a lot of people do. And Prince Fielder isn’t going to be traded per Doug Melvin.
DAP
November 13th, 2009
5:04 pm
p-townBMac is NOT a cleanup hitter…
really? thats funny, because he spent all season there.
No great trade has ever been started by we’ll give you (______) for Wilson Betemit.
p-town, i dont want to say something mean, but you are delusional if you dont think nick swisher was a fantastic trade for the yankees. you are simply choosing to be ignorant the season he just had.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
5:05 pm
Here’s my take on what’s happening. From the Braves standpoint, they are better off saying Vazquez isn’t available. That way they can dangle Lowe first and see if they get any takers. Who in their right mind would ask for Lowe in the trade when they know Vazquez might be available (dpelfrey)
OK, so now all you need is for Wren and JS to go around with those things Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones used in The Men In Black to make everyone forget that Vasquez might be on the market. Sounds simple to me.
BTW- Nice name. {:
richbrave
November 13th, 2009
5:06 pm
I say if the BRAVES trade either LOWE or KAWAKAMI, we will sign LaROCHE because the return on the trade will not land a big bat at 1B.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
5:08 pm
richbrave – How many years on Laroche? He’s not signing for two imo.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
5:11 pm
The Brewers can’t seem to give up on the “Carlos Villanueva, the starter™” (P.W. Hjort)
Is that a trade mark symbol? What’s that about?
beekay
November 13th, 2009
5:11 pm
Please say no to Loafs cousins, Dye, Corey Hart,Cameron etc…
nolie
November 13th, 2009
5:11 pm
Nope, huh-uh, bad idea. You go with that, you basically make Plan A as “everybody will perform to their offensive norms or better, and that will be enough”. Never works like that, never has (Scoots)
as opposed to plan B where you pick up an expensive name hitter and he has a bad year?
Chris
November 13th, 2009
5:11 pm
anders- laroche signing is another big issue the braves have to solve. if i was me, i would sign laroche to a three year deal, while trading freeman for a bat, but that’s just me.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
5:14 pm
Chris – What bat do you think Freeman will command? He sounds like a good prospect but I doubt they’d get a very established slugger for him alone.
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
5:14 pm
DAP-
Just because he bats there doesn’t make it so…
If you walk into a gay bar, does that make you gay? ‘Nuff said!
PWH-
Yeah, that last part (Fielder) was just for blog fodder…
A Brewers fan on MLBTR seems to think Gamel and Parra would get that done…Not sure about Parra…he seems like another Jo-Jo to me. Other than Gamel, what could they possibly give us to make up for trading Javy?
This is why I think Lowe has a better chance at going their way as I just don’t believe they have multiple chips to get Javy.
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
5:16 pm
Anders-
Apparently its a likeness of Carlos Villanueva, “the starter”…
Its so they don’t TAKE HIS THURR JOB
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
5:17 pm
beekay-
I didn’t realize Corey Hart was Loaf’s cousin…
Is that kinda like when Woody Harrelson and Wesley Snipes were brothers in Money Train
DAP
November 13th, 2009
5:20 pm
p-townJust because he bats there doesn’t make it so…
actually yeah it absolutely does. i heard the announcers all season saying, “the cleanup hitter, brian mccann”… and even though he is a catcher, and doesnt play everyday, he doesnt have a bad skill set as a hitter to be a cleanup hitter. most people’s objection to him hitting cleanup is probably based on the fact that he misses the sunday day games because he needs days off. i understand that, but its not like his skill set just is alien to the cleanup spot. it isnt.
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
5:22 pm
DAP-
WoW…ok…nevermind.
beekay
November 13th, 2009
5:23 pm
P-Town
I just don’t want to get a player of Loafs caliber.We need better if we decide to trade D-Lowe or Vaz. I actually would rather have Loaf over Hart and wouldn’t want to pay Cameron or dye 6-7 mill
Anders
November 13th, 2009
5:24 pm
DAP sent that guy packing back to his one P town. Anybody else got a problem with DAP?
I didn’t think so.
beekay
November 13th, 2009
5:24 pm
Chris you really want to trade our 2nd rated prospect…please read he is a future gold glover as well
Background: The youngest player to sign out of the 2007 draft, Freeman continues to be Robin to Jason Heyward’s Batman. He reached Double-A at age 19 last summer and hit .319/.354/.493 in his first month there before lingering soreness in his left wrist hampered his production. He missed the last two weeks, but didn’t need surgery and headed to the Arizona Fall League.
Strengths: Freeman has been an RBI machine at every level, thriving with runners in scoring position. He drives the ball with consistency with a sweet, fluid swing, and scouts believe his doubles will become homers as he gains experience and strength. Comparisons to Keith Hernandez and Mark Grace with more power have become commonplace because of his defense, which managers rated the best among first basemen in both the Carolina and Southern leagues last season.
Weaknesses: Freeman runs well enough for a big man but never will be noted for his speed. His attacking approach at the plate doesn’t lend itself to walks, but Atlanta gladly will sacrifice some on-base percentage for RBIs.
The Future: The Braves will seek a stopgap solution at first base for 2010, with an eye on turning the position over to Freeman the next season. With him and Heyward, the Braves should be set at the right-side corners for the foreseeable future.
2009 Club (Class) AVG OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB
Myrtle Beach (HiA) .302 .394 .447 255 43 77 19 0 6 34 26 41 1
Mississippi (AA) .248 .308 .342 149 15 37 8 0 2 24 11 19 0
BosnianBaller
November 13th, 2009
5:24 pm
Why not sign Vlad Guerrero for 3-5 mil like I read on fox sports he would take for 1 year.He would be a better fit than some of the other guys they said the braves would be interested in like Mike cameron,nady,marlon byrd,ext.
P-Town Brave
November 13th, 2009
5:26 pm
beekay-
I hear ya man…
I just thought your comment was very humorous.
Kinda like my reasoning for not liking hearing the Angels are interested in Lowe as it’ll start bringing up the Juan Rivera rumors again.
Anyone who watched that guy play LF last year will atest that Bobby Cox could go out and play a better LF.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
5:26 pm
Background: The youngest player to sign out of the 2007 draft, Freeman continues to be Robin to Jason Heyward’s Batman (Beekay)
I’m definetly tucking this away for future use. It clearly has all kinds of potential.
DAP
November 13th, 2009
5:27 pm
p-town
by the way, a few other cleanup hitters from around the league include casey blake, carlos lee, bengie molina, jorge cantu, and these are all guys that mccann is at least as good as, if not better than.