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N8
November 13th, 2009
2:17 pm
“I can understand sticking by your guy, but making me believe he’s a good player…its just not going to happen, otherwise, why would the guy be traded twice in two years?” p-town
So by your definition, if Vazquez gets traded this winter, does that mean he isn’t any good?
DAP
November 13th, 2009
2:17 pm
wayneOther non-news shows are OK, so long as you keep questioning everything….from all networks…..know what I mean? Don’t let anybody tell you what to believe….even me. Keep your eye on the prize……
amen brother. that goes for the actual news shows to.
Tennbravefan
November 13th, 2009
2:18 pm
The only logical trade of Vasquez to the Dodgers would be for ( yea I’m gonna say it) Manny. Both have 1 yr left on contract, Dodgers get their pitcher and Braves get thier right handed bat. Then they split the money difference. That way the Braves get their big hitter for about 4.5 million and the Dodgers save 4.5 million (difference between Manny salary and Javy). L.A. played great with Pierre last year, they don’t need Manny. From a baseball standpoint this makes sense. In reality, Vasquez wont waive his no trade clause and I don’t know if Manny has one or not. I know it ain’t happening but it does look like a win for both teams (to me anyways).
beekay
November 13th, 2009
2:18 pm
Wayne 10 mill is way too much for me…I would rather give Gonzo 5 mill and add someone else for 5 mill than give it to one guy coming of TJ at end of long career…btw I too am a big Fox News fan and the dude is a terrorist, not an innocent guy who was picked on because of his religion that just snapped…believe it or not a fraternity brother of mine is his cousin.
Piedmont Blues
November 13th, 2009
2:19 pm
The no-brainer decision here is to re-sign LaRoche, even if it takes three years. As Lew says, Freeman will still be more than a quarter century away from AARP membership if he’s held back until 2013.
Think of it this way: His “lousy” first half stats are still better than Loney’s or Kotchman’s year-round performance.
zmerk
November 13th, 2009
2:20 pm
Most of the proposed trades are laughable on here. Lets give up Lowe and Esco to Boston for Lowry, Buchholz and I can’t remember the other two listed. HAH
Do people not understand how baseball works? Teams will NOT trade their young core. It will not happen. No GM is that stupid. Can we please stay away from all young stars that aren’t even Arb eligible yet and/or are the best young players in the system? Some of us must play to much video game baseball…
CB
November 13th, 2009
2:26 pm
zmerk,you are taking away all our fun. :tears:
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:26 pm
zmerk
Hard for some folks to keep it real……Even during an academic exercise like we have here on the blog, some folks look silly when they disregard facts (Vazquez no trade clause), logic (overrating our guy, and undervaluing the other teams guy) and common sense.
I am probably as guilty as the next guy at times too.
O.J.
November 13th, 2009
2:27 pm
Why do we still have trade proposals to the Dodgers involving Vazquez??? It isnt happening people, come on.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:28 pm
At least when I get goofy with a proposal, at least I offer Escobar as part of the package…….then I catch holy heck on here for that…..”you can’t trade him, he’s one of the best SS’s in the game”
You gotta give to get…..
N8
November 13th, 2009
2:28 pm
Tennbravefan
A year ago, I would have agreed with you. But Manny is a shell of his former self. Not worth the 20 million (or 16 million it would be if we “split” the money as you suggested).
We’d get better value on that 16 million dollars if we kept Vazquez and signed Dye or Sheffield to play LF, imo.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
2:30 pm
1:24pm: MLB.com’s Mark Bowman talked to a team source who said the Dodgers and Braves are not currently having trade discussions. Bowman believes the Brewers do have interest in Vazquez.
As for Derek Lowe, Bowman doesn’t see the Yankees in the mix but does consider the Angels and Brewers possibilities.
9:16am: Former Reds and Nationals GM Jim Bowden is on Twitter, and last night he floated a couple of Dodgers rumors. Bowden wrote that the Dodgers are talking with the Braves about pitcher Javier Vazquez and with the Mets about second baseman Luis Castillo.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:31 pm
I keep coming back to Derrek Lee of the Cubs. I know he is extremely important to the Cubs.
I recall hearing somewhere (maybe in was on XM) back near the end of the season, that the Cub’s might deal him for some immediate help, considering A) he is in his last contract year and B) he is getting older.
The Cubs also have Fox as a possible replacement for Lee.
Lee would sure look good between Chipper and Mac!
GoBraves123
November 13th, 2009
2:34 pm
How about Brandon Phillips(sp?) and Arthur Rhodes( plus cash to eat some of their salaries) for Medlen, KJ, and a prospect or two. For the Reds, it’s a salary dump and an oppurtunity to get talented young pitching. For the Braves we get a good second basemen with speed, power, and defense-plus a veteran relief pitcher. Rhodes and O Flaherty….not bad, cheaper than resigning Gonzo plus we get drat pick for Gonzalez because he’s Type A free agent.
TnBrian
November 13th, 2009
2:34 pm
There is or will be a lot of teams looking at what it’ll take to get Vazquez, but I believe in Wren that he won’t settle for anything less than a 30 HR guy who he can at least have for more than a year. Better yet, just extend the guy & trade D-Lowe out west to the Angels, they aren’t resigning Lackey.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
2:37 pm
Now stop it JV aint goin west!
beekay
November 13th, 2009
2:37 pm
Mets are trying to move Castillo to LA to open up a spot for Figgins
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:38 pm
Has Matt Gamel played any first base? He is not supposed to have much of a glove, but lots of guys get better. Trouble is, he is a lefty hitter.
beekay
Yeah, lots of excuses being floated for poor Hasan, huh. OK, your next assignment: Get us a scouting report on Gamel please? BTW, I love those reports you post. Thanks!
Moe Berg
November 13th, 2009
2:40 pm
“I keep coming back to Derrek Lee of the Cubs. I know he is extremely important to the Cubs.”– Wayne in Utah
I don’t see it happening. Lee led the Cubs this year in batting average, RBIs, home runs, runs, and OPS. They made a bad deal for Bradley, had a disappointment with Soriano. Fox does not bat for average nearly to the extent that Lee does (.259 this year). Ramirez is good when healthy. Theriot is good for average but not power. The Cubs saw this last season that they can’t get by with just one bat. Unless they know they are getting some good offense, they can’t afford to let that one bat go.
P. W. Hjort
November 13th, 2009
2:40 pm
I don’t know if this got mentioned, but Brandon Hicks hit a HR yesterday.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:40 pm
Castillo to the Dodgers….wouldn’t be the first time that Coletti has been taken! Maybe he trades the other former Marlin for him?
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
2:42 pm
ummm nope Gamel has not!
2008 Mil 3B 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .00 .000 – – – – –
2009 Mil 3B 27 24 191 61 19 35 7 5 .885 2.55 9.016 – – – -
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:43 pm
Moe
Probably right on Lee.
PWH
I know it’s just the AFL, but the Hicks news is sure welcome news, since he is about all we have remotely close for the infield (not counting first base).
Mycal Jones might be a sleeper too. College boy, so he might not be too far away, if he has game.
TBrown
November 13th, 2009
2:43 pm
So I get on the blog and the first thing I see is trading for Swisher and signing Roach gives us the division and the NL Title as well.
I forgot why I left.
N8
November 13th, 2009
2:44 pm
O.J., while I agree that Vazquez probably won’t waive his NTC to go to L.A., it’s not like there has never been a player in the history of MLB that has waived such clause.
Common sense tells me that the Dodgers are not a good fit. But it has more to do with what I’d like in return, than Javy’s NTC.
To me the key is Lowe. If Wren can wait until Lackey signs and then dump Lowe to whoever will take his salary, Vazquez can be kept and cheaper options can be bought. Or Wren could not wait, and just simply dump Lowe to the first team willing to bite. Then have his pick of who he wants to go after.
At this point, I’m almost thinking keep Vazquez, re-sign LaRoche and sign somebody like Derosa for LF.
With Derosa, Prado, Diaz and Escobar, (along with Chipper switch-hitting), that gives the lineup a nice righty lefty balance. Maybe not the overall power that we’d all like to see. But decent pop up and down the lineup, with that pitching staff still held in place.
Add to that, if a guy like Church is kept around to platoon with Diaz, and an infielder goes down, Derosa could spell Chipper or Prado (and Prado can backup 1B), with Infante chipping in. If Church and Diaz had to both play everyday for a week or so, that wouldn’t bother me.
But the key is the starting pitchers. If that rotation is held together (Hudson, Hanson, JJJ, Vazquez and KK), then adding big-boppers to the lineup isn’t as neccesary. Just adding good players that don’t suck will do. But if Lowe is kept and Vazquez is traded, I expect a huge stick back in return. Even if it’s a prospect with massive upside.
We traded Flowers and Lillibride to the White Sox for a Vazquez that was coming off of season not nearly as spectacular as his last one with us. Granted there were two years left on that deal. But with how good Vaz was last year, the LEAST we should ask for is a prospect as dominating as Flowers was in the minors for us. The LEAST.
The other option is to just sign LaRoche to a 3 year deal and roll with it. And maybe add Freeman to the package the Lowe is centered around, and we might get our bat back our way in a trade for Lowe?
Hard to say at this point. Lot of speculation on all of our parts. I still think the deal that eventually gets made, is one nobody is talking about, or sees coming, and I still think it will be a big one.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
2:45 pm
And please no Lowe to T.B. for Crawford talk either please be realistic
CB
November 13th, 2009
2:46 pm
If we can get rid of Lowe,get on the Miguel Cabrera bandwagon.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:47 pm
Eavesdropper
How about in the minors? (probably wouldn’t do to try to get Chipper to move over to first, huh?)
Maybe for first, we should just invite Spanjer-Furstenburg to ST, and just let his talent take over! Did I read somewhere that he also has played some third?
RSF and Freeman could just duke it out for first in the spring. Isn’t that what the Marlins do? Bring em up early, and let em go for it.
DAP
November 13th, 2009
2:48 pm
eavesdropperAnd please no Lowe to T.B. for Crawford talk either please be realistic
one of my blog pet peeves is people who hardly ever contribute telling other what they should post about.
A FAN
November 13th, 2009
2:48 pm
hey DOB i know your in early hot stove mode but im in vegas i got a big question for ya. do your jay hawks cover 27 1/2 tonight against hofsta
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:53 pm
CB
I just don’t see the Braves taking on that type of salary for a guy with a checkered history. Besides, I don’t think the Tigers would consider dealing him.
N8
Some good points for sure. If we could duplicate our second half offense (if Chipper picks it up a bit, not hard to imagine), I like our chances with our pitching staff….Lowe OR Vazquez.
An underlying issue: Chipper’s drop off might be more tied to a weak cleanup hitter than anything else.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:56 pm
DAP
Don’t know if the Rays would do it, but I do Vazquez for Crawford in a heartbeat. I might even include Schafer if they throw in a bullpen arm.
I would move McLouth down in the lineup, and take my chances.
beekay
November 13th, 2009
2:58 pm
Wayne
Would you pay Wagner 10 mill coming off the injury? What team would give him 10 mill in this economy?
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
2:58 pm
DAP, where you been? I have go back and look,only difference, i posted something realistic
O.J.
November 13th, 2009
2:58 pm
N8, I know its happened before, i.e. Jake Peavy going to the White Sox, but Javy’s is for a reason, and thats his family in Puerto Rico. Different scenario.
Thrillhouse44
November 13th, 2009
2:58 pm
I would move McLouth down in the lineup, and take my chances.
But what would Ryan Freel do?
ncgary
November 13th, 2009
2:59 pm
i like lowe to the cubs bradley to the rays along with k johnson for zobritz and upton to the bravos, then move either zo or prado to 1st
ncgary
November 13th, 2009
3:00 pm
at least its not for crawford ey
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:01 pm
beekay
If I was able to shed Lowe’s contract, and the other offensive positions were falling into place, I would not be afraid to give Wags 10 mil for a year. He is the type of guy that is worth taking a chance on, imo.
O.J.
November 13th, 2009
3:03 pm
Again, I say trade for Uggla, let him play 2nd, move Martin to 1st, and sign Mike Cameron for left field.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
3:03 pm
Oh! by the way everyone here knows who I am,been here a long time,only thing new is the name!!give you one guess
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:03 pm
Thrillhouse
Like a good soldier, he would support his teammates from the confines of the pine!
DAP
November 13th, 2009
3:03 pm
wayne, i wouldnt do that move in a heartbeat. id have to really think about it. i guess i could see it working if laroche was resigned. dont tell eavesdropper were talking about it, though, because he likes to pop up now and then when he sees something he doesnt think is realistic, and demand folks not bring it up.
ncgary
November 13th, 2009
3:03 pm
i like lowe to the cubs bradley to the rays along with k johnson and bravos getting zobritz and upton
at least its not for crawford
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:05 pm
Eavesdropper
????? I guess I ain’t smart enough to analyze your posts to figure you out…..
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:07 pm
OJ
Prado’s value is as a second baseman. I don’t have a major issue with Uggla or Cameron though. I just don’t think we get both of them.
ncgary
November 13th, 2009
3:07 pm
once again i like lowe to the cubs bradley to the rays along with k johnson and the bravos get zobritz and upton, then move either zo or prado to 1st, and you still have money for power bat
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:07 pm
Is that you,Joe?
ncgary
November 13th, 2009
3:08 pm
alright its only your funeral
Tomahawk1310
November 13th, 2009
3:08 pm
I have a good feeling that McLouth is going to be a pleasant surprise next year and we will get
25-30 hrs from him. With his improved eyesight and being with the club the whole year I see a big year for him. He already had a great strike zone recognition with bad eyes. Now if he can just lay off the high heat would be his only weakness. We may not need a huge power bat for another OF’er just another player along those lines.
Thrillhouse44
November 13th, 2009
3:10 pm
Would DeRosa and his .319 OBP really be viewed so highly here if he wasn’t a former Brave? I like the dude, but not as a starter.
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:10 pm
Wayne,you don’t want to trade for Cabrera because of his contract but you are willing to give Billy Wagner 10mil. Ok
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
3:12 pm
rammerjammer,
Sorry to tell you but the trade won’t happen. Derek Lee has a full no trade deal. The Cubs asked him last year if he was interested in waiving it to go to the West Coast (where he lives due to a daughter with some health issues) and he said no. Why would he waive it to go to Atlanta. The Cubs beat writer Bruce Levin also covered the topic of trading Lee in a chat this week.
“rammerjammer,
November 13th, 2009
11:02 am
Vazquez for Derrek Lee makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.
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ncgary
November 13th, 2009
3:12 pm
he who laughs last lasts longer
hehehaha
Anders
November 13th, 2009
3:13 pm
I would not be afraid to give Wags 10 mil for a year. He is the type of guy that is worth taking a chance on, imo. (Wayne)
Wags? Wow, things sure are softening on here regarding this ex-Met. I happen to agree with you but let’s not forget how most on here spoke of him when he was the closer for the Mets. Choker comes to mind.
Wags,really? How long before you guys are pineing for “good old DW” to play third for the Braves?
Erik
November 13th, 2009
3:14 pm
If Javy didnt have a no trade clause LA is a no brainer trade partner. They have a surplus of GOOD bullpen arms, Two good young and cheap outfielders with pop, not to mention they are looking for a frontline starter and dont forget they also want a 2nd basmen.
A package of KJ, Javy, and possibly Adam Milligan for Matt Kemp and one of their dominant bullpen arms not named Bronxton would set us up nicely.
We shed aproximately 15 million in salary (11.5 for Javy and 3.5 for KJ). We add another good bullpen arm as well as a young stud in the outfield. Kemp is a 25 yr old right handed hitter who hit .365/.429/.616 against lefties last year. He finished the year batting .297 with 26 HR 101 RBIs and 34 SB. Not to mention he is a fantastic defensive CF. I see him as a similar player to Nate Mclouth except he has alittle more speed and hits for a higher average.
An outfield of Mclouth in left, Kemp in Center and Heyward in right for the next 3-4 years would rank among the best in baseball.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
3:14 pm
One other indication/reason the Dodgers rumor was bogus: Not only does Vazquez have a no-trade clause to West teams, but the Braves aren’t likely to trade Vazquez early, if they trade him at all. If they trade him, I would suggest it would probably be after exhausting efforts to first trade Lowe. And it’s way too early to know that they can or can’t trade Lowe.
If they can trade Lowe, they wouldn’t need to trade Vazquez and would also presumably clear up a lot of money to pursue a bat that way, either via free agency or by trading prospects or others for a fairly large-salaried hitter.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
3:16 pm
And by the way, Vazquez does indeed still have the no-trade clause for West teams. That wasn’t dropped when he came to the Braves.
N8
November 13th, 2009
3:17 pm
“Chipper’s drop off might be more tied to a weak cleanup hitter than anything else.” Wayne
It certainly could be. Which is why I think that Wren gets a hitter, and doesn’t stand pat.
O.J., in the end money talks. With a huge extension, it might matter.
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
3:17 pm
Wayne,
Please tell me you’re joking. Because the answer is no the Rays wouldn’t do it. They have a tight budget and SP isn’t really a need. extremely talented starting rotation and won’t spend that kind of money on a non need. Crawford isn’t going anywhere until around the trade deadline if at all unless they are overwhelmed and this doesn’t help them…
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
2:56 pm
DAP
Don’t know if the Rays would do it, but I do Vazquez for Crawford in a heartbeat. I might even include Schafer if they throw in a bullpen arm.
I would move McLouth down in the lineup, and take my chances.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
3:18 pm
Let’s see if U can splain it to ju Lucy!
Crawford will cost you Jurrjens plus!
Vazquez will get you a
Granderson
Hart/Gamel
or a buttload of specs
I said prior Lowe for Crawford.
Lowe might get you J.Rivera
Swisher
Bradley
cabravesfan
November 13th, 2009
3:19 pm
Kemp is a 25 yr old right handed hitter who hit .365/.429/.616 against lefties last year. He finished the year batting .297 with 26 HR 101 RBIs and 34 SB. Not to mention he is a fantastic defensive CF.
So why in the world would the Dodgers trade him??
sidslidkid
November 13th, 2009
3:19 pm
“Falcons fans raise funds to ‘pay’ Smith’s fine”
By Marcus K. Garner
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/falcons-fans-raise-funds-196457.html
I donated my $5.23… gotta support my Birds. I can’t believe this is the main story on AJC.com. Who says Atlanta has bad sports fans?
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:20 pm
Anders
Remember me, I was the ‘69 Miracle Mets trivia guy….never slammed Wagner, as I recall. Dude is a legit top notch closer, or at least he was in his heyday. If I remember correctly, he only pitched badly when hurt.
CB
Definitely! 10 million for one year is a helluva lot easier than 20+ million for eternity! I just don’t see the Braves committing that much to a guy who has had a few “personality” issues.
If he had only two years left at 20+ million, maybe. Cabrera’s contract would be one we were pooh-poohing in years to come, as being to restrictive on our overall team payroll.
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
3:21 pm
A FAN: I’d have to say yes, Jayhawks cover.
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
3:22 pm
Eric,
Repeat after me Kemp isn’t going anywhere. You don’t trade a young, cheap talnted well behaved up and coming superstar (unless of course you want to trade Hanson and Heyword ie.). Why would the Dodgers do that????
18 Wheels of Love
November 13th, 2009
3:23 pm
Dang, who typed out the novel above? They lost me at OJ….
Anders
November 13th, 2009
3:23 pm
Wayne – I meant in general and pretty much tongue in cheek. Thus the DW line. Didn’t mean it personally. No hard feelings I hope?
David O'Brien
November 13th, 2009
3:24 pm
just got to top of the page and saw that N8 (2:44) had already expressed similar thoughts about not trading Vazquez early.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
3:24 pm
CB, you bet your ass
Redstick19
November 13th, 2009
3:25 pm
“Falcons fans raise funds to ‘pay’ Smith’s fine”
yeah, ‘cos I’m sure that he’s so broke that he can’t afford that fine. You guys gonna pay my ticket when I speed too? You’re making the world a better place… why not give that money to charity- which I bet the NFL does anyway.
Thrillhouse44
November 13th, 2009
3:26 pm
Anders, you act as though you never put a positive spin on things.
beekay
November 13th, 2009
3:26 pm
Vaz for Pappelbon
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:27 pm
Geo
Come on man….don’t hurt my poor, sensitive feelings. You KNOW I was serious about Carl Crawford! Besides Ryan Freel, he is THE best player in the game.
I want him. We need him! Let’s get him!
(actually, I was just responding to another person’s mention of him, though seriously, I do like him)
Anders
November 13th, 2009
3:29 pm
Anders, you act as though you never put a positive spin on things (Thrillhouse)
Come on – you know I’ve been the biggest Frenchy fan on this blog for the last few years. Like that? {:
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:31 pm
Anders
Nah, we got no issues…..and damned right, I would LOVE to have DW on my team! Besides, he will never last with Omar…..wrong nationality!
I think Omar never makes the Church/Francoeur deal, if he didn’t think Francoeur was hispanic.
Thrillhouse44
November 13th, 2009
3:31 pm
Exactly…And in a few months Delgado will be a bum.
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
3:32 pm
Wayne,
I agree I think he’s a great player but it wil cost alot right now to get him. To me the Rays will try and spend the several months trying to resign him if for no other reason than to sell tickets (if I was part of their fan base I’d be ticked if they traded him right now). Then if they can’t resign him trade him prior to the deadline…
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
3:32 pm
Wayne, now that was too funny!
beekay
November 13th, 2009
3:32 pm
If healthy, Sheets is likely to attract considerable interest in a thin market for starting pitching. Most executives see a significant dropoff in free agent starters after John Lackey. That could prompt teams to try to upgrade via trade, with Atlanta’s Javier Vazquez and Derek Lowe, Cincinnati’s Bronson Arroyo and Detroit’s Edwin Jackson among the names that have been mentioned in early speculation.
Texas pitching coach Mike Maddux, who worked with Sheets in Milwaukee, has publicly expressed his admiration for Sheets. Melvin and the Brewers have also indicated they might be interested in a reunion.
A National League executive speculated that the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Angels and Twins are among the other clubs that might be players for Sheets, depending on how much money the pitcher wants.
Three front-office officials envisioned a late-developing market for Sheets, with the action likely to heat up in January and possibly extend into February. The consensus is that Sheets will have to audition for clubs, much as Kris Benson, Pedro Martinez, Mark Mulder and other injury-rehab pitchers have done in recent years.
“You’re going to have to go through the medical reports and at least have some chance to observe him on the mound, because nobody has seen him pitch in more than a year,” an American League assistant general manager said. “I think a lot of teams have questions that they would need some clarity about.”
Executives said interest in Sheets could hinge on how much guaranteed money he expects. If he’s willing to take a contract with a relatively low base salary and lots of incentives, it could expand the market for him. Sheets made $12.125 million in 2008.
“There are plenty of teams looking to take a low-level flyer on him, but I don’t know if he’s going to be willing to do that,” an NL executive said. “It could get interesting. It’s really all in his hands.”
Thrillhouse44
November 13th, 2009
3:34 pm
DW will never go to the Braves. The Braves will have to go to DW.
GoBraves123
November 13th, 2009
3:34 pm
nobody likes my Brandon Philips idea?
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:34 pm
Wayne,”personality”issues? Hey,he likes to drink and got into an argument with his wife. You never done that? Miguel,26yrs old,career .311ba,.383obp,slug.542,ops.925 and gives you 35hrs a year.Don’t talk about personality issues- I see yours every day on the blog.
Anders
November 13th, 2009
3:36 pm
Thrillhouse – Not so fast, Carlos might be coming back to los Mets. True dat.
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
3:36 pm
Burrrrrrrrrrp!
Thrillhouse44
November 13th, 2009
3:37 pm
Hey,he likes to drink and got into an argument with his wife.
Not to mention drink and make fun of an obese child to his face. Albert Belle had more class than that.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:37 pm
Geo
I like Brandon Phillips, but we already have a good second baseman. Can Phillips play first or left field?
RC
November 13th, 2009
3:39 pm
I like Brandon Phillips, but we already have a good second baseman. Can Phillips play first or left field?
Phillips is a much better fielder at 2b than Prado, who actually CAN play 1b and LF. But it doesn’t matter, because I really, really doubt the Braves will get Phillips.
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
3:39 pm
Maybe not the overall power that we’d all like to see. But decent pop up and down the lineup, with that pitching staff still held in place.
Nope, huh-uh, bad idea. You go with that, you basically make Plan A as “everybody will perform to their offensive norms or better, and that will be enough”. Never works like that, never has. Somebody (or somebodies) will have off-years, and then there is nowhere to go to pick up the slack. No offensive depth. No bat upon whose shoulders the team could ride until the inevitable slumps subside, assuming they do.
This would be the same offensive problem the Braves have had the last couple of years: no margin for error. The Braves will have plenty of starting pitching, regardless of almost any trade scenario. Can’t be a pitcher-hugger with this team, if dealing pitching is what it takes to revive the offense.
ncgary
November 13th, 2009
3:39 pm
thats gonna smell in about 3 days
heheheh
DAP
November 13th, 2009
3:40 pm
if you get brandon phillips, youre probably trading prado for him.
Wayne in Utah
November 13th, 2009
3:40 pm
CB
Yeah, but it’s ok for me to have issues, I don’t make frickin 20 million dollars per year for the next 20 years or so.
I remember him having some responsibility issues in Florida. Got fat. Didn’t stay in shape.
Can you say Andruw Jones?
(don’t be spreading rumors about my issues, there are folks on here that like me…..I think)
Geo123
November 13th, 2009
3:41 pm
Here’s what Mark Bowman said about Javy to the Dodgers
MLB.com’s Mark Bowman talked to a team source who said the Dodgers and Braves are not currently having trade discussions. Bowman believes the Brewers do have interest in Vazquez.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Eavesdropper
November 13th, 2009
3:42 pm
Maybe, Wren can pull off Lowe for Texiera
Bay Area Steve
November 13th, 2009
3:42 pm
beekay,
post a source, would ya please.
abwright
November 13th, 2009
3:43 pm
Wayne in Utah, 2:15 pm … “…, so long as you keep questioning everything….from all networks…..know what I mean? Don’t let anybody tell you what to believe….”
Not that this relates to baseball or anything, but I saw the movie “Capricorn One” again a few days ago. It brought back a lot of memories from around the time of Watergate. (You could also see “All the President’s Men” or, to a lesser extent “The Manchurian Candidate” or “The Conversation” and get the same aura.)
We had a big, bitter dose of “you can’t trust anything the gov’t tells you” back then.
So, just remember, “when you greet a stranger, look at his shoes” and “Keep your money in your shoes.” Those are good advices.
And, for those of you who haven’t seen those films, you should check them out.
CB
November 13th, 2009
3:44 pm
Wayne, I am one of the folks that like you. I don’t know why,but I do.:-)
John C
November 13th, 2009
3:45 pm
Not sure why you would want to move Phillips to a less premium position if you didn’t have to.
Moving Lowe seems to be step 1 in anyways. It’s a whole different offseason if you can open up 15 more million. Braves don’t even need anything in return.
Chris
November 13th, 2009
3:47 pm
DOB- are you suggesting they the braves can somehow trade lowe and dump most or all of his salary, that the braves could essentially go after jason bay or a matt holliday?
ncscoots
November 13th, 2009
3:47 pm
Hey, CB, you got to like Wayne; he’s a Clemson guy, and everybody knows such men are the bedrock of Southern civilization, LOL. and I ought to know.