12:31 am November 10, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 12th, 20095:01 pm
Do any of the arcane baseball rules stop the Braves from negotiating a contract with somebody like Kelly Johnson and then trading him when he is more affordable and not subject to arbitration?
If they could negotiate a one or two year deal in the 1 – 1.5 million range then he would surely be more attractive to other teams than he is at present.
“hmm okay Alexis Rios!” Eavesdropper
Hmmm. Okay, your credibility, knowledge and ability to argue with anybody went out the door at 3:13 when you made that post.
Lets take a look at HIS 2009 stats.
Overall numbers: 149 games, 633 PA, 144 hits, 17 HR, 71 RBI, 24 SB, .247/.296/.395/.691
But here’s where it gets good. Because…. after all, The Ted is not the Skydome or Cellular Field, right?
Rios’ Road numbers: 75 games, 330 PA, 67 hits, 2 HR, 35 RBI, .216/.252/.300/.552
No. Really. Seriously dude. Just stop typing whatever you are going to type back and walk away from the computer before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
ALL FRICKIN DAY you’ve been on a tizzy about how Uggla sucks, and one of your comebacks when asked who would be better was Alexis Rios? Why not just have Pete Orr bat cleanup?
Wayne in Utah
November 12th, 20095:02 pm
Like I said, have some patience my friend. I don’t think we will end up with Matt Holliday (though he would be the top dog on my list), but I think you might end up being pleasantly surprised when it’s all said and done.
November 12th, 20095:03 pm
Wayne in Utah — I agree with you on Schafer. If his wrist is fully healed and he has his swagger back, I’d give him every chance to take the CF job this year. I saw him play last year in spring training and the guy crushed the ball and his centerfield play made the other outfielders look like high schoolers. He came out of nowhere to grab a ball that everybody thought was a sure double-triple. I was in the left-center cheap seats and he made the play right in front of me. People around my wife and I couldn’t believe it.
November 12th, 20095:04 pm
[I]Ya know, RF is a free agent! Could be had for a minor league contract w/ and invite to spring training[/I]
Yeah and so is Greg Norton.
November 12th, 20095:05 pm
I’m goin’, I’m goin’! And it’s not that I’m worried about it…just wanted to be among the first to get the news and post my congrats. Ya know, this year it’s more of a big deal, what with him having to deal with the specs and everything.
“Steve McP I think if they work out a contract with him, they can move him, since they still control him.
But when somebody signs a free agent deal, they can’t be traded until May (or something like that). So the Braves couldn’t sign Jason Bay and then turn around and trade him before the season started.
November 12th, 20095:06 pm
Ok, so quick question…I haven’t quite figured out how to do all this editing and bold and italic crap through here but have figured out a few emoticons…
Is there a site that I can go to that will tell me how to bold and italicize things and emoticons and what not?
McLouth, Prado, Chipper, Orr, McCann, Escobar, Diaz ……..
Alright, it’s off to the Aquarium now.
November 12th, 20095:08 pm
Oh, btw, Rios made more money than Uggla last year. Again. stellar idea dude. Keep it coming.
November 12th, 20095:09 pm
Well, mine was worse…just the thought of having Aubrey Huff and Austin Kearns in the lineup makes me have night terrors…
Worst parts about that are its not even night yet, I’m wide awake, and I’m not 6 anymore.
November 12th, 20095:11 pm
I think Schafer is definitely the wild card. Say we get a guy like Uggla (substitute Cruz or Dye or Willingham or Cameron) and then during the spring, Schafer pulls a spring 09 on us. What a nice problem to have.
If the money is there, I would hope to see us hang onto Ryan Church too. Good glove, and was really hitting well before meeting up w/ Escobar’s knee a couple years back.
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November 12th, 20095:14 pm
[...] and notes around the league: Marlins 2B Dan Uggla is on the market, a move to the outfield is possible…Buster Olney tweeted that the Indians are fielding offers [...]
If they could negotiate a one or two year deal in the 1 – 1.5 million range then he would surely be more attractive to other teams than he is at present. – Steve McP
Why would Kelly agree to a contract that low, knowing that if the Braves release him he’ll be able to get at least that much on the open market? And if he can’t, then why would any team trade for him when he’s making that much?
November 12th, 20095:23 pm
Wren seems to be saying that he is willing to wait a bit and see who comes to them, so we might not get an answer for a while. On the other hand his admittedly limited previous history suggests that he likes to jump right in. we’ll see
November 12th, 20095:25 pm
If we can’t land Uggla and convert him into a LF, I’d really like to see Brandon Jones be given a crack at it. I confess I haven’t followed much of what’s been going on over in Gwinnett, however. Can anyone give a run down of Jones’ 2009 season? Does he have the power we’re looking for?
November 12th, 20095:27 pm
To sum things up in one word pertaining to your entire post….
November 12th, 20095:30 pm
They love Lowe in Boston, So why not Lowe and a prospect or 2 for youk.
Jones hit .281 with 7 hr’s and 56 RBI’s
November 12th, 20095:32 pm
My opinion, I have a hard time believing these are the players the Braves are considering. (O’Brien)
I guess it depends on what you mean by considering. It would surprise me if those names have,’t been kicked around some. How seriously is another question, though I agree that is the level of player that will be signed unless some team decides it really needs another starter badly. Even then the return is unlikely to be on the level of a Holliday or Bay.Of course if we all say our prayers every single night…
November 12th, 20095:33 pm
N8, Rios was a comedical throw in I know what his numbers were, My stance as far as Uggla goes tho is not a negotiable entity on my part , how’s that for english jerk! I am simply stating for 7 million dollars EVEN J.Dye at 4 mill is a better option, and I would take a .260 hitter with a sure 25 hr, over an unknown brutally defensive player in Uggly at his arb cost, now once again @sshole go do some math!
November 12th, 20095:36 pm
And it’s not that I’m worried about it…just wanted to be among the first to get the news and post my congrats
I really just wanted to say “McFamily”
November 12th, 20095:40 pm
They love Yuke even more
November 12th, 20095:41 pm
Now don’t be bringing up religion on here!!!
(that’s my job!)
November 12th, 20095:43 pm
Youkilis (sp) would be quite a haul, but I really don’t see Boston doing that one, unless maybe Escobar was included. They do need a SS.
Would Youk and Hicks be better than Escobar and Uggla?
November 12th, 20095:44 pm
Oh, so when people ask you to make a suggestion of who’s better you joke about it, then continue to rip on their posts?
I said it earlier today, I’ll say it again. If uggla is the SECONDARY pickup for the lineup this winter in LF, and we get a big-bopper for 1B, or simply go get somebody like Uggla and re-sign LaRoche and are able to keep Vazquez, I’m cool with that.
However, if Uggla is THE pickup this year, and inserted in the cleanup spot, I’m not impressed.
Don’t lump me in with the people thinking Uggla is our savior. I’m not.
I just get accused of being pompous on a daily basis, yet you didn’t answer the question.
As for Dye (or even Cameron)? You’re barking up the wrong tree. I made my case for either of them last week.
“I would take a .260 hitter with a sure 25 hr, over an unknown brutally defensive player in Uggly at his arb cost, now once again @sshole go do some math”
Well first off, Evesdroppings, if you’re claiming that Uggla can’t/won’t hit 31 HR in a Braves uniform because the Ted isn’t Dolphins stadium and because he “only” hit 10 HR away from Miami, then why on earth would you expect Dye who only hit 12 HR away from Chicago (and is going to be 36 when 2010 starts, will still hit 25 HR?
Besides, he made 11 million dollars last year. If you’re right, and he can still be that productive, do you REALLY think he’ll be had for 4 million dollars? Really, an 7 million dollar pay cut?
Besides, by all reports, Dye needs to be a DH anyhow, so how is his defense any better?
But I see, you managed to call me a jerk and an @sshole in the same post. Wuzumadda? Can’t actually come back with some facts that will shut me up?
ZING! Never mind. All my responses to you were just a “comedical throw in”. I actually agree with everything you’ve stated. You’re my hero.
Had you goin’ all along, didn’t I?
November 12th, 20095:45 pm
Youk would be a good one to take first base for a year or two, then mover over to third when Chipper is done and/or Freeman is ready.
November 12th, 20095:48 pm
But Nate, I thought you were a jerk and an @sshole? Did I miss something?
November 12th, 20095:49 pm
….but still not as big a jerk and @sshole as me……heeheehee…
The other issue with Jermaine Dye is he is currently a Type A free agent. While obviously the ChiSox would need to offer arb (and I doubt they would), the Braves would have to wait until the non-tender date had passed to move and I am not sure if the team will/will not wait that long before starting to make moves (at least I hope Wren wouldn’t sign Dye and give up our 1st round pick as he did with Glavine).
November 12th, 20095:51 pm
N8 it’s all good, but if I had to choose an Arb eligible Marlin, I go for Cody Ross..At least his defense is mobetta!
November 12th, 20095:53 pm
Wayne,I think I heard an amen from PL.
Wayne,I wish Youk were available to us
November 12th, 20095:58 pm
hell even Jack Cust is an upgrade over Loaf
if you want Boston to take Lowe, likely you need to begin the talks with Lowe for Lowell+
November 12th, 20096:01 pm
Just waiting for this seemingly inevitable announcement that McCann’s won his third Silver Slugger in four seasons….
November 12th, 20096:04 pm
I’m not Theo Epstein, but I will bet everything I own that Youkilis is not available, so please stop talking about it, okay.
November 12th, 20096:05 pm
And neither is Matt Kemp or Joey Votto.
November 12th, 20096:07 pm
or Albert Pujols or Carlos Beltran. As a matter of fact, new rule. If you haven’t read from at least 3 reliable sources that a player is trade bait, then don’t mention him.
November 12th, 20096:10 pm
I’d rather retain Rochie for 9mil than pay it to Uggly.
I guess in the future we will need to check with you first, before we talk about any players, huh?
November 12th, 20096:11 pm
Evesdropper, I’m with you. I’d rather find an average offensive guy in LF until Heyward is ready. Preferably RH, so when Schafer is ready, it possibly turns into a platoon. But I’d rather have speed (don’t care about SB’s) and solid defense in all three OF spots.
Then get our power from 1B. If that means LaRoche? I’m OK with that, even if he stinks in the first half. His glove is good, and with Prado at 2B, and solid defense all around, with those cheaper options in the lineup, that means our rotation likely has Vazquez still in it, and with KK rounding out the 5th spot, we easily have the best 1-5 rotation in MLB. Which will win games early in the year in the cold weather.
Then let LaRoche heat up, call up Hewward at some point, and if need be (say if Schafer shows he’s ready to play everyday), make some trades to upgrade areas of need. Like perhaps, trading McLouth for whatever we need, if all of the above happens.
I said it last week, I don’t think that Wren needs to overthink this, and doesn’t need to make a huge splash. Just needs to upgrade over what we had at the beginning of last year.
But I stand by my opinion, that if Wren does want to make a big splash for a big power bat (either the outfield or at 1B), then Vazquez will have to be traded.
I’m cool with it either way, so long as the 25 man roster is better than it was on opening day last year, and Wren has wiggle room to make trades as we go. Our pitching will be that good (starters that is).
Wayne, you might be a bigger @sshole than me. But that’s why I like you.
November 12th, 20096:13 pm
Woohoo! Congratulations BMac!!!! And McFann!
For sure, we need to at least offer LaRoche arbitration. (is he OK to talk about, dp?)
As for Lowe for Lowell, I would entertain that deal. We might need to get another player coming back this way though???
November 12th, 20096:19 pm
yes, that’s why I said Lowell+. Lowell is only on the books for 2010 at 12.5mm, so he he makes Lowe easier to swallow for the Sox, and they’d love to move Mike’s contract.
If we had Lowell for a year, he’d still be a significant upgrade over Garret, and he could fill in for Chipper at third nicely. He could also fill in at 2B, so we could clear the need for 2B depth from a guy like KJ.
It’s a sensible deal, not a sexy one. Best, it gets Lowe off the books in Atlanta.
November 12th, 20096:20 pm
A name that nobody mentions that I would love to have is Adam Lind from Toronto-35hrs and 114rbi.He is a young player who was finally given a chance and produced.
November 12th, 20096:22 pm
David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes Thursday that the Braves could have interest in Uggla to play left field. Does that put an Uggla-Javier Vazquez deal in the offing? (RHR)
another example of total stupidity my a media moron. There is NWIH that the Marlins are gonna take on an 11mil contract so they can dump a 6mil one. Sheeesh. WTH ever happened to common sense?
my gut says LaRoche is re-signed,and Lowe is dealt for juan rivera
November 12th, 20096:26 pm
“Both catchers honored are Silver Slugger mainstays, taking home their third: The Braves’ Brian McCann may not have the notoriety of the Twins’ Joe Mauer — and for sure McCann never led his league in hitting — but now both own three Silver Sluggers. ”
There’s an embargo on the release until 7:05 p.m, which I didn’t see when I briefly posted that list while ago. But now that they’ve already revealed McCann as the NL Silver Slugger catcher on the MLB network show, you all know anyway. Or those watching the show know. And I’m one of them.
November 12th, 20096:27 pm
Agreed on Lowell. And he is a gamer that could be an excellent influence in the clubhouse. I know he is on the downside of his career, but he might be a decent bridge to Freeman.
Some have wondered if Lind was a flash in the pan. I don’t know much about the guy. I know he has played DH and some outfield, but what about his D? He is also a lefty….
November 12th, 20096:31 pm
I have my doubts of that little notion rolling around in Frank Wren’s head. Large, King-Kong-sized, doubts (Scoots)
as do I, perhaps a sub in 2011.
November 12th, 20096:33 pm
a decent bridge to Freeman, Heyward, Schafer, and perhaps a dash of Cody. it’s a reasonable deal that helps both clubs, just the type of thing we should expect.
again, not sexy, but sensible.
Mike Mike Bo
November 12th, 20096:36 pm
I have to say, that even though I read every single blog, and every single mini-review that you’ve given of MadMen, I’ve never even considered watching the show. But then I pull up this blog, and see the Joan (Christina Hendricks) pics. Sir, you have opened my eyes… and I’ll be purchasing the MadMen DVD’s this evening… which in all seriousness you should get commission for.
November 12th, 20096:39 pm
….but still not as big a jerk and @sshole as me……heeheehee… Wayne
Jerks and [buttheads] don’t usually end their sentences giggling. You’ll have to work on that.
November 12th, 20096:40 pm
I’d take him over McLouth. Better base stealer (BC)
McLouth has an incredible success rate of around 87%, Granderson’s is 79% which is also excellent, but in just what way is 79% better than 87%?Must be some of that New Math.
November 12th, 20096:45 pm
Can’t you read, that was not a giggle. A giggle is teeheehee. Heeheehee is that low, I’m a sicko kinda response.
November 12th, 20096:48 pm
I thought we were dealing with one of those Coors Field power hitters, you know with all the talk of park adjustment N8
sad to see, but it turns out that you really are an asshole, one who delights in flaunting his ignorance like it should impress someone else. I’m afraid you are stuck with it only impressing you,man. But it has always been evident that you are very impressed with yourself. Sad case, but carry on, we can deal with it
November 12th, 20096:52 pm
Sorry, Wayne. I’m just not getting that creeper vibe from your giggles.
November 12th, 20096:54 pm
Minnesota’s Joe Mauer has 57 homers and 326 RBI in that period, though with a .337 average and .918 OPS to McCann’s .295/.863. (DOB)
yeah i’ll take Mauer. Failing that, McCann is an ok consolation prize
Rob (from SC) no more arm brace
November 12th, 20096:59 pm
Why are people so willing to trade Escobar.
The only elite SS are:
SS is a very crucial position
November 12th, 20097:03 pm
Heard any buzz on Mike Cameron? He’s old, but I think he’d be an ideal fit. Has some (right-handed) pop, excellent defender, wouldn’t require prospects or a long-term financial commitment to obtain.
If they could negotiate a one or two year deal in the 1 – 1.5 million range then he would surely be more attractive to other teams than he is at present. –McP
you can’t renegotiate/offer etc less than 20% of current salary,.If you renegotiate the total package must be more than the current one.They aren’t going to get him for less than 2.2Million or so.
November 12th, 20097:08 pm
But when somebody signs a free agent deal, they can’t be traded until May (or something like that). So the Braves couldn’t sign Jason Bay and then turn around and trade him before the season started. –N8
June 15th I think, I’m not sure who you were talking about. If it was Johnson it wouldn’t apply if he never went to free agent status
November 12th, 20097:15 pm
you sure that isn’t just the beginning of an acute case of intestinal flu?
November 12th, 20097:25 pm
Heeheehee is that low, I’m a sicko kinda response. (Wayne)
definitely fits Nate better than a giggle. Is there a sound for unmitigated snark?
November 12th, 20097:27 pm
Failing that, McCann is an ok consolation prize
Only if you’re ok with settling, nolie.
November 12th, 20097:29 pm
Is there a sound for unmitigated snark?
November 12th, 20097:35 pm
I’s have said nnnnayyyyttt, nnnnayyyttt
November 12th, 20097:39 pm
i’m starting to get the feeling that the braves will trade lowe instead of vazquez. braves seem to be interested in dan uggla, which shows me they are trying ways to not trade vazquez. which might be a smart move to make. that almost means that a derrek lee or adrian gonzalez type bat is off the table, unless wren could pull off a freeman, medlen, schafer type package. but as of now, dan uggla seems to be a good fit, while resigning laroche. freeman might be traded during the season. i would definitly try to sign billy wagner. and i believe a lowe trade could bring back a solid 7th inning reliever, while eating about $4 or $5 million a year on lowe’s contract.
November 12th, 20097:44 pm
Silver Slugger for Mac? Party at McFann’s house!
November 12th, 20097:50 pm
I’s have said nnnnayyyyttt, nnnnayyyttt
What? Is this gibberish? You should know that I’m not fluent in nolian.
November 12th, 20097:51 pm
Party at McFann’s house! (Soph)
OK!!! I”ll bring the beer and vodka, who’s gonna bring the reefer?
November 12th, 20097:53 pm
That would be me with the reefer
November 12th, 20097:54 pm
sigh. nate nate somewhat distorted is the sound of a snark
November 12th, 20097:56 pm
Do you ever see the Braves moving McCann to 1B? It would probably increase his offense and his health. It would somewhat lessen his value though.
November 12th, 20098:06 pm
“definitely fits Nate better than a giggle. Is there a sound for unmitigated snark? nolie
Now that was funny. Kudos to both you and Wayne. Is that a park adjusted snark, or is that a raw snark?
November 12th, 20098:24 pm
OK!!! I”ll bring the beer and vodka, who’s gonna bring the reefer?
bahaha, they’re at the Aquarium right now. Can you imagine if they came home to us with a party full of debauchery?
November 12th, 20098:28 pm
would anybody trade escobar for youkilis?
November 12th, 20098:29 pm
lavell – not in the near future
November 12th, 20098:30 pm
me, but it ain’t gonna happen. Boston wouldn’t do a straight trade
November 12th, 20098:35 pm
I never cared that much for Youkilis
November 12th, 20098:39 pm
Yeah, I would deal Yunel for “Sissy Hitting” Youkilis! (dude sure looks sissified when batting, though he gets the job done)
P. W. Hjort
November 12th, 20098:40 pm
Yes. It’d be hard, though. I always love to hang on to the ones the Braves develop.
November 12th, 20098:41 pm
He either looks like a ballerina or like he’s really gotta pee.
November 12th, 20098:44 pm
“He either looks like a ballerina or like he’s really gotta pee.”
That ballerina could strap on a Braves leotard anytime he wants.
I hate saying this, but I am teetering on trading Javy. I have been loyal to him all season and up ’til now. What ATL needs is a bopper. ATL has extra SP. Javy is the most tradable. Looking at the big picture, ATL will have Hanson, JJ, and Huddy in the rotation. That is a solid 3. I also think with a year under his belt, KK will be better also. The only ? is Lowe. If Lowe is moved down to # 3 or #4, ATL could win with this rotation. I would make a run at Gonzo (SD) for 1B, but SD will not pay Javy what he is making right now.
November 12th, 20098:45 pm
I always love to hang on to the ones the Braves develop. (PW)
aha, a sentimental streak hiding in among all them numbers
November 12th, 20098:49 pm
Javy has a clause in his contract that he can’t be dealt to any of the western division teams.
Also, if we are going to deal for a big bat, then I might go for somebody right handed in stead of a lefty. Gonzo is very alluring, but would you rather have him, or LaRoche and Escobar and Medlen. It would probably take those 2 guys (plus some more?) to get AG.
November 12th, 20098:51 pm
Me too, me too! I want to hang onto JoJo. I still have a feeling about that kid. I suspect he is going to turn into a decent mid rotation starter in a few years.
November 12th, 20098:55 pm
aha, a sentimental streak hiding in among all them numbers
Nope. Only in my bias interpretation of them .
I suspect he is going to turn into a decent mid rotation starter in a few years (Wayne)
you mean B4 he gets too old to pitch in the bigs , or in a senior’s league
November 12th, 20098:58 pm
I agree with you. If he could quit walking people (something I think he’s capable of correcting) he can be a good mid-rotation starter. And we often forget, but he’s only 24 years old. He’s still 5-6 years away from his peak. That said, he needs to start showing some things, and pretty soon.
I think he may have been rushed a bit.
November 12th, 20099:16 pm
Chris Carpenter, Jorge Dela Rosa, Aaron Harang, Ted Lilly, Jamie Moyer, Cliff Lee, Paul Byrd, Wandy Rodriquez and Randy Johnson.
All pitchers who didn’t have major league success until at least 25 or older.
November 12th, 20099:19 pm
As I remember, I think Sandy Koufax was a late bloomer too. His first decent season was at the tender age of 26.
November 12th, 20099:22 pm
Not that JoJo will ever have any real success in the majors, he might not. But, unless including him in a deal puts you over the top, I would try to hang onto him for a couple more years, just to see if he puts it all together.
In 2008, about half his starts were anywhere from good to REAL good. The other half…..well, we know that basically he sucked for the year.
But in those good starts, he sure would get me to thinking he could be a 2-4 slot starter.
November 12th, 20099:25 pm
I love the idea of using Jo Jo as a loogy
November 12th, 20099:28 pm
I’m okay with signing Mike Cameron and playing him in center, while moving Nate McLouth to LF. But that can’t be the BIG bat that this team is seeking. If you sign Cameron, then that big bat needs to come at first. Having Cameron in center and McLouth in left would do wonders for our run prevention. I must admit, it’s not that bad of an idea.
November 12th, 20099:29 pm
Could Lowe become the 2010 closer?It wouldnt be his debut at closing and if the sinker and strike out pitches were working I think he could be very effective.On the other hand the reds wanna move the sometimes very questionable Francisco Cordero who also has a huge contract.Lowe for Cordero ,Any thoughts???
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