2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 4th, 20096:46 pm
nolie, I think people underrate Vazquez. Not sure if you saw that Marlin mlb.com writer suggest Uggla for Vazquez. Personally, I think that’s pretty insane. (Efrim)
the thing that got me was that we were supposed to send money too.
November 4th, 20096:47 pm
DOB’s on twitter? Wow…
November 4th, 20096:54 pm
is that really you? I been missing you. School keeping you busy?
November 4th, 20096:59 pm
Yep. It’s really me. Have there been a lot of imposters? School is getting really crazy. I’m already having to start planning for graduation and its absolute insanity!!
November 4th, 20097:04 pm
ep. It’s really me. Have there been a lot of imposters (RG)
were you on here the other day ripping Chipper?
November 4th, 20097:06 pm
I’m not sure this is the latest on Uggly, but it is being said he will be non tendered because the Marlins are unwilling to pay an estimated $7 mill in salary. Hard to believe that the Marlins could deal with Vazquez’s $11.5, Hanley Ramirez’s $7 mill and whatever contract they work out with Josh Johnson.
November 4th, 20097:08 pm
were you on here the other day ripping Chipper?
Haha. Yes, well, sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit but it is the highest form of intelligence.
Sorry Dan – meant Uggla not Uggly.
November 4th, 20097:10 pm
Hard to believe that the Marlins could deal with Vazquez’s $11.5, Hanley Ramirez’s $7 mill and whatever contract they work out with Josh Johnson. (KL)
I agree, just anotherbuncha crap from some media guy who has no clue. Stuff like that should B enough to convince most fans to hesitate to believe stuff just cause it’s from some ’source’ or some guy who writes sports.
November 4th, 20097:12 pm
(RG) was there a specific target for your sarcasm that I missed, or were you just free wheelin’ ?
and I always heard that puns were the lowest form of wit?
November 4th, 20097:15 pm
course if either are the lowest form of wit, it must make it the foundation of humor, huh? Oops there goes another groaner
November 4th, 20097:16 pm
“Sorry Dan – meant Uggla not Uggly.” -keylargo
I think you had it right the first time.
November 4th, 20097:21 pm
Nah, I was just a little punchy is all. It happens. Puns? I think puns are pretty awesome. Granted, I think sarcasm is pretty awesome too.
In terms of individual statistics among Braves’ relief pitchers, Rafael Soriano had 27 saves in 31 opportunites (an outstanding .871 success ratio) while Mike Gonzalez had 10 saves in 17 opportunities (a ho-hum .588 success ratio). Outside of those two pitchers, the remainder of the staff was a non-factor. Kenshin Kawakami recorded the only other save by a Braves pitcher (1 save in 2 opportunities). All of the other relievers given a chance to save a game, missed on every save opportunity (Peter Moylan-0/5, Kris Medlen-0/2, Eric O’Flaherty-0/2, and Jorge Campillo-0/1). – Moby Grape
I think those stats are a little bit decieving and the save stat as a whole can be somewhat decieving. Moylan, Medlen, EOF, and Campillo all got blown saves in hold situations. That means even if they didn’t blow the lead they would have only gotten credit for a Hold and not a save. Soriano and Gonzo blew some saves each when I think neither were in line for a save but rather a hold. What that means is their save total can be low because since they both served as setup men at one point or another even if they held the lead they wouldn’t get credit for a save but if they blew the lead in the setup role they would get the blown save.
November 4th, 20097:23 pm
course if either are the lowest form of wit, it must make it the foundation of humor, huh?
I think that’s a perfectly sane (non-groanish) explanation.
November 4th, 20097:27 pm
Bottom line focus on the idea not the person. In other words don’t judge and or create artificial reverence or clout for one poster. It’s better for everyone. (Oz)
respect is earned, not by tenure alone but by how often a blogger posts thoughts that turn out to be correct or nearly so….
also you sounded pretty condescending yourself in that post I’m quoting from
November 4th, 20097:31 pm
I wasn’t claiming it was all that scientific Jake, just some thoughts on the subject.
November 4th, 20097:39 pm
What’s up Braves fans?Anders here from 25,000 feet.Just left your fair city.I’ve been a little busy and haven’t read the blog of late.
Imagine my amazement when I read the following:
Yes, there’s been speculation the Braves will check into Billy Wagner’s price tag. I can tell you Bobby Cox spoke highly of him over the past years, and raved about his stuff when Wagner returned from Tommy John surgery in that late-season appearance against the Braves this year, talking about how his stuff was as good as ever. He’s a “gamer” to Cox, and there is no higher praise from the manager.(DOB)
Back in late September when I mentioned Wagner as a possible fit for the Braves most on here said he was washed up and the Braves didn’t need the Mets old garbage. Now folks are trying to figure out how to fit him on the roster. BTW- Kee in mind Wagner is interested in closing only-eriod. If he can’t get assurances of that he said he’d rather retire. He wnts to increasehis sves total in the hopes of making the HOF. Say what you will but at lest he’s hom
nest about it.
November 4th, 20097:40 pm
Salamander-Check out Black Stone Cherry-they’re a hard Southern Rock band from Kentucky-kind of like Skynnrd on performance enhancers.
November 4th, 20097:45 pm
Hey Lew. I guess you saw where DOB wrote the Braves would be lucky to just unload Lowe’s contract and can’t expect much talent in return. I guess the trade of Lowe for Swisher is as far fetched as I told you it would be. Unless you don’t think all those HR’s Swisher hit are talent?
November 4th, 20097:49 pm
aha, puckish Anders strikes again
November 4th, 20097:51 pm
“I wasn’t claiming it was all that scientific Jake, just some thoughts on the subject.”- Moby Grape
Never said you did, just pointing out how those stats can be decieving. You were trying to make a point, i’m not sure what it was, but based on the post it was something. We according to those stats have a very low percentage of saves which doesn’t look good. But I also know that all saves aren’t created equal(a 1 run save is harder to hold than a 2 or 3 run save). All our pitchers, starting and relief, were given very few runs to work with a lot of times. It just seemed like all season we were asking for an insurance run here or simply some runs at all. It hurt our starters win-loss totals and it also affected our bullpen too. When we did win it was usually not in blowout style so our top bullpen guys were overused which may have contributed to some bad numbers. I think both of Medlen’s blown saves came when he working his 3rd or 4th striaght game. Its something to consider, thats all i’m saying instead of just looking at the stat of save.
November 4th, 20097:55 pm
Great, now I have to finally give in and join Twitter.
Proctor huh? Should be interesting.
November 4th, 20097:56 pm
3 Days Rest
November 4th, 20097:59 pm
I’m at a loss why all the so called “experts” are so hot on the idea that you’re going to throw all your horses on 3 days rest.
I love this from Keith Olbermann…….never mind the politcal rants… he came from the sports world.
” Like all men, Bobby Cox, who by rights should be elected to the Hall of Fame next winter if he goes through with his plan to retire after next season, has had one Achilles Heel that he’s never overcome. Coxy has always been convinced that when all the chips were on the table his starters could do the job on three days’ rest, even as the statistics accumulated, proving they could not.
During Atlanta’s unprecedented, probably unmatchable playoff run of 1991 through 2005, Cox tried the short-rest thing nineteen times. The Braves lost thirteen of those games.
Every defeat has a thousand parents, but at minimum, starting a pitcher prematurely is a very heavy straw meeting a very weak camel. More over, all Cox’s successes came before 1995, when Steve Avery and Tom Glavine and John Smoltz were all young and elastic. Cox would go on to try it six more times between 1996 and 2005, and the Braves didn’t win even one of the games. Tim Hudson couldn’t do it, nor Kevin Millwood, nor Greg Maddux, nor Smoltz, nor Glavine – and Glavine tried, twice.
If those stats aren’t a bright enough white line, there’s one more. Cox did it nine times in the World Series, and the Braves won only three of those games. You might get away with it – Beckett did once – but eventually the odds start mounting, and sooner or later it will cost you the playoff series, or the whole ball of wax.
November 4th, 20098:00 pm
But I also know that all saves aren’t created equal(a 1 run save is harder to hold than a 2 or 3 run save)
and the same arguments would apply to every other team for the most part, making very little difference. Or are you suggesting that only the Braves had those issues? I sincerely hope not. Make the same adjustments to all teams in roughly the same manner and it still stays about the same, unless you want to prove that it only applies to the Braves? I’d be real interested in reading that, so please do.
Mainly I want an established closer with a record of success rather than a wannabe or closer by committee. There, that’s my point. Is that jake with you, Jake?
November 4th, 20098:05 pm
Nolie – You did mean “puckish” – right?
November 4th, 20098:07 pm
Well getting ready to touch down in NYC. Gotta get off the latop. Later folks – Go Phils!
yeah the odds aren’t so great are they. perhaps we see the attempt more from older guys like Cox because they came up during the 4 man rotation era and they think that it should still be viable.??
November 4th, 20098:08 pm
Lowe would be the 2nd best pitcher on the Mets.
November 4th, 20098:09 pm
You did mean “puckish” – right? (Anders)
yeah, with the ‘c’ I thought that’s what I wrote. Did I make another typing foe paw?
November 4th, 20098:10 pm
Winterville – Yeah, so?
November 4th, 20098:11 pm
Nolie – I was questioning the “P”. Just kidding with ya. Forget it.
been on a “gone too soon” kick lately … better album: “Nevermind” (Nirvana) or “Grace” (Jeff Buckley)?
November 4th, 20098:14 pm
I was questioning the “P”. Just kidding with ya. Forget it.
I thought you were questioning the c, perhaps puke-ish. just kidding too Anders.
November 4th, 20098:15 pm
3 Days Rest – I will repost something I posted this morning, in the same vein:
Good column by Tom Boswell in the Washington Post today on starting pitcher’s on three days’ rest. My favorite part:
“Since 1999, pitchers starting a postseason games on three days’ rest against pitchers on full rest have a combined 12-36 record.
That’s not bad; it’s abysmal. Yet stark as this statistic is, its message may be even more blunt. Most of those 48 pitchers who started on three days’ rest were star hurlers or close to it. Nobody warps a postseason rotation so a donkey can start on short rest. You only do it for the studs. “
November 4th, 20098:16 pm
and the same arguments would apply to every other team for the most part, making very little difference. Or are you suggesting that only the Braves had those issues? I sincerely hope not. Make the same adjustments to all teams in roughly the same manner and it still stays about the same, unless you want to prove that it only applies to the Braves? I’d be real interested in reading that, so please do. -Moby Grape
Actually is does make a difference. Not every team is presented with the same save opportunites. Thats my point. I’m willing to bet that a team like Philly that usually scores more runs than the braves had more save opportunities that were were 3 runs than 1 runs. That means when you are working with more than 1 run you have more room for error. If you can’t see the difference than oh well. I thought my wording was very simplistic. There is a difference between a 1, 2 or 3 run save just like there is a differnce between 1, 2, or 3 run homer or do all homeruns affect the game the same way. I could go through each teams saves and break it down but I don’t have the time.
By the way, I never said that was a problem that was unique to the braves. I used the braves as a specific example honestly because i’m a braves fan and thats the team I watched the most games for and follow the most. Overuse and lack of scoring were problems that were specific to the braves. I’m pretty sure every team could find problems that were specific to them. That doesn’t change the fact that what I said was right and that the save stat can be decieving similar to the way that wins and losses for starting pitchers can be decieving.
It was nothing in the “old days” for guys to go on three days rest because you had 4 man rotations. I heard one talking head say that 3 days rest was no big deal because pitchers used to do it all the time and their arms didn’t fall off.
So in effect, you gear and train today’s pitchers to go on 4 days rest and expect normal results when you change up on them at the end of a long, tiring season and throw them on 3 days rest. The stats of the modern day 5 man rotation era suggest that pitchers will fail more frequently than succeed on 3 days rest.
November 4th, 20098:17 pm
I am just in the camp that thinks we will be able to trade Lowe for something if that is the route we decide to go. There are so many teams that need pitching and there are so few decent pitchers on the market. We may not be able to get a Swisher type player for him but oh well. I don’t think we will have to beg someone to take him.
Gonna fly right past Yankee stadium in about five minutes. Talk about adding insult to injury. Looking at that park all lit up with the Yanks and the Phils playing the WS in it. Only to then pass over an empty Citipark . (sigh).
Is it spring yet?
November 4th, 20098:19 pm
Winterville. No way you get nything worth much for an old guy due $45 mil coming off a bad year.
Gotta go. Getting the snake eye from the stewardess. Later.
November 4th, 20098:21 pm
Exactly! It will be the stud who a manager is warping his rotation to get to. Not like a number 5 starter is getting the call on 3 days!
November 4th, 20098:23 pm
The stats of the modern day 5 man rotation era suggest that pitchers will fail more frequently than succeed on 3 days rest. (3 day)
yeah that’s the difference, but Bobby ain’t a stat guy. I agree that it will fail more often than not, just trying to come up with an idea of why Cox did it so often.
There was a lot of talk here about not Philly not bring Lee bach on short rest, so some fans at least still think it will work.
November 4th, 20098:24 pm
“Winterville. No way you get nything worth much for an old guy due $45 mil coming off a bad year.”-Anders
Thats if you are going to make 1 bad season stand count for the guys whole career. I mean if Oliver Perez who has been terribly inconsistent his whole career could get a decent three year deal i think someone would be willing to take a flyer on getting Lowe for three years based on his career numbers and not just one bad year.
November 4th, 20098:27 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Joe Frisaro suggests in his mailbag a Dan Uggla-for-Javier Vazquez deal should be considered. Which would move Chipper to 1st possibly.
Listen, I think I have read this blog long enough to know this isnt a possiblity due to the fact Chipper aint moving, and has sort of indicated this, even recently. Especially for Uggla who is gonna be bringin a .245 to the table.
Would’nt you agree with that, or am I wrong.
November 4th, 20098:28 pm
I remember thinking, whenever Bobby would start someone on three days rest, “I know the stats are against it, but Greg (or Tommy, etc) can do it” – and they usually did not. Leo still maintains that there is no problem going on three days rest, but he is not exactly one to go with the stats over his gut instinct.
November 4th, 20098:29 pm
I guess we’ll see. I’m certain you’ll let me know if I’m wrong.
That doesn’t change the fact that what I said was right and that the save stat can be decieving similar to the way that wins and losses for starting pitchers can be decieving (Jake)
sure it can be deceiving, but to an extent it will be deceiving for all teams, there may be some rearrangement, but it’s not gonna change the fact that the Braves were low on the totem pole IMO.
I agree with Moby that I don’t want to coast into the season with a question mark at closer, or at least any more of a question mark than any reliever often is.
November 4th, 20098:30 pm
I’m from the “Lowe would be a salary dump” school of thought. I wish the Braves could keep Vazquez. He did a great job this year! But unfortunately, he’s the pitcher who the Braves have a realistic chance to bring back some talent for. He also would probably be unaffordable to resign after 2010.
Hanson and JJ would be the other two starters who would bring back talent but that ain’t happening. (If it did, Wren should be tarred and feathered) Kawakami? He would probably bring back a utility infielder in trade.
Would the Braves sign Hudson to the hometown discount only to spin his affordable contract off to some team for a bat? Bet that would pizz Hudson off but since they don’t give no trade clauses, I suppose they could do it.
November 4th, 20098:33 pm
I suppose they could do it. (3 day)
since he never declared as a FA I think they could, but that seems to be pretty counter to what the Braves have usually striven to be
November 4th, 20098:39 pm
“sure it can be deceiving, but to an extent it will be deceiving for all teams”- nolie
Um, I think thats my point. I never said thats saves were ony decieving for the braves. I said the stat of save ( I guess I should say regardless of team so you guys get it) can be decieving the way wins and losses for starting pitchers can be. I will repeat, I only used the braves because thats who I follow and see the most of. I never said, unless you guys can point it out, that other teams saves stats were correct and were honest depictions of how their bullpens are. Once again some of the specific problems that hurt our pen was lack of offense and overuse. I’m sure other pens had those same problems, which ones, I don’t know because quite honestly I didn’t follow them that closely.
I do agree however that we should go into next season with an experienced closer. I even posted earlier today that i think they should resign Gonzo for a deal similar to what they gave Soriano. I disagree with those who think we can let both Gonzo and Soriano walk and just rely on Moylan.
November 4th, 20098:44 pm
Tim Hudson is a 10/5 man and would have to approve any trade.
November 4th, 20099:01 pm
toga party, others wondering…can’t speak for DOB here, but I’m guessing the twitter account will mostly mirror blog posts (as it has thusfar) except for the less baseball-related stuff that we get into on here from time to time. I’d say those on twitter but not the blog will be missing more than vice versa, but i’m sure he’ll weigh in on that if the powers that be (read: the powers that told him to set up the twitter page in the first place) are alright with it.
November 4th, 20099:05 pm
Nice pitch, Pedro – a Maddux/Glavine outside corner…
November 4th, 20099:07 pm
Not as good
Rob from SC
November 4th, 20099:08 pm
Matsui is clutch. He will have knee surgery in the offsseason because he wants to be an outfielder not a DH. He wouldn’t be my first choice, but he wouldn’t look bad in LF for us
November 4th, 20099:09 pm
I hate the Yankees, but I can’t root for the Phillies. They are as bad as the Mets
November 4th, 20099:18 pm
Well since I picked the Yanks to win it and i’m simply ready for the offseason to begin I will be rooting for them to win it tonight. Living in and working in Atlanta unfortunately I have caught some flack for the braves winning only one in those 14 years. The funny thing is that mostly it has been from philly fans or mets fans who don’t have many titles themselves than Yankees fans who have how many ever ones they have. Phillies are in the same position the braves were in 96 after we won our first in Atlanta and had the chance to repeat and were stopped by the Yanks.
November 4th, 20099:28 pm
All the yanks have to do is hold on gents and then we can get down to business…the offseason.
November 4th, 20099:33 pm
are you out there Ms. McFann?
November 4th, 20099:38 pm
Let’s go Yankees!! Excited to get this season over with,and announce Tim Hudson signing tomorrow.
November 4th, 20099:43 pm
Has anyone seen the theory of a Uggla for Vazquez trade thought? I have mixed feelings about it myself considering Uggla’s power numbers is something we’re looking for but his poor defense and average outways that i believe.
November 4th, 20099:48 pm
nolie (November 4th, 2009 8:23 pm): “There was a lot of talk here about Philly not bring Lee bach on short rest, so some fans at least still think it will work.”
I only counted one.
November 4th, 20099:51 pm
Well, McFann, I was going to tell you to Tivo something. If you happen to see this before 10:30, there is a program named “Saving Our Reefs” on PBS about the Key Largo Marine Sanctuary. I think you would enjoy seeing how the ecosystem works and how the runoff from the Sugar Cane Fields in South Florida is hurting the reefs and the Florida Bay.
Calm down Nolie
Keep USA #1
November 4th, 20099:53 pm
What the hell has happen to Phillies pitching in play-off? They have been in the hole 90% of the time.
Maybe tomorrow the rumors will start for Braves as series will be over.
November 4th, 20099:58 pm
That Uggla for Vazquez thing just doesn’t make much since to me with the biggest being the salary. Since when is Florida willing to take on payroll and not shed payroll?
November 4th, 200910:03 pm
The Fat Lady is singing her a@@ off…Who’s your Daddy Phil?
November 4th, 200910:10 pm
I didn’t even consider Hudson had been in Atl for 5 years. Just doesn’t seem that long. Of course it’s was 5 years ago when ATL was last in the playoffs and Hudson pitched against the Astros.
Dayum….. time flies when you’re having fun.
November 4th, 200910:14 pm
Petite is outta gas
November 4th, 200910:15 pm
Pettitte …. I meant.
November 4th, 200910:18 pm
Well….. Pettitte gave them more than I thought he would. Good thing they have 7 runs. Of course 3 runs in less than 6 innings pitched isn’t a steller performance.
Three days rest may have been just good enough for the Yankees tonight, but scoring 7 helps more.
November 4th, 200910:25 pm
Not sure if you guys talked about this already but does anyone know anything about this 25 year old cuban 1st basemen,jose julio ruiz?
November 4th, 200910:26 pm
Oh thank God this series is about over. It’s good for fans like us that want in on the scoop what their team’s up to. I guarantee rumors will start flooding all over the place tomorrow. DOB needs to get his fingers some rest tonight. And we all appreciate your hard work, Dave.
November 4th, 200910:33 pm
According to ESPN the Magazine’s Jorge Arangure, Jr., 25-year-old Cuban first baseman Jose Julio Ruiz is being scouted by a number of clubs, namely the Boston Red Sox and Detroit Tigers.
Ruiz’s agent says that some clubs see Ruiz as a potential answer in left field and cites his client’s agility and foot speed for a player of his size as evidence that perhaps Ruiz can play the outfield.
No word on what the interested clubs think about Ruiz’s timetable for the big leagues, but at 25 he would have to be near ready for so many teams to show such enticement.
Wayne in Utah
November 4th, 200910:35 pm
Heck, our roster might be set for 2010 by this time tomorrow!
Calm down Nolie (KL)
Sorry, but I don’t remember acting excited. which post are you referring to? I wasn’t upset during any of them. I didn’t mean to convey the impression of anger or excitement.
November 4th, 200910:50 pm
the Rays need a 2B. Might this be a spot to send Kelly Johnson?
November 4th, 200910:51 pm
Um, I think thats my point. I never said thats saves were ony decieving for the braves. I said the stat of save ( I guess I should say regardless of team so you guys get it) can be decieving the way wins and losses for starting pitchers can be. Jake
if that is your point then what exactly was your problem with my original post and why are you being so aggressive about it, when I said it wasn’t meant as anything but musings? I’m really not seeing where this is all coming from.
November 4th, 200910:54 pm
I would think Zobrist would step in as the everyday 2B for Rays.
November 4th, 200910:56 pm
Matsui has 1 triple in the past two years. I don’t think he’s getting one tonight.
November 4th, 200910:57 pm
Where’s your blog spirit? The Rays would probably give up Longoria and Shields for KJ and Lowe.
November 4th, 200911:01 pm
So Swisher hit .130 in 14 post season games? hmm. No point, Jake just throwing it out as a topic related to the Braves to see what anyone thinks about it. OK?
November 4th, 200911:04 pm
I would just like to be the first to pat the Yankees organization on the back and say a championship “WELL BOUGHT”! Oh, I Know it’s just sour grapes you say, but it’s more sorrow than anything else.
I dream of having equality in sports, because in real life we know that is a rare thing. The NFL, NBA, NHL have salary structures that give the majority of teams an equal chance at winning a title with good decisions, management, coaching and ownership. Only in baseball, does 1 team have a payroll (Yankees $207 million) 7 times the team with the lowest payroll(Marlins $35 Million). Why the Mets who have the 2nd highest payroll is still almost 70 Million less than the Yankees.
I hope Bud Selig goes into retirement realizing that he has been the most influential commissioner in the last 30 years of all sports. He has turned a blind eye to the steroid problem so the game could reap the profits financially. He has been successful in giving certain teams advantages(Their Own TV networks) that makes them more profitable than other teams that don’t have them and who don’t share the windfall. He also has never taken the steps to make owners of teams that are near the bottom of the payroll scale use the money they DO make through fan attendance, apparel and other MLB products sale, TV revenue and Particularly Luxury tax money put the money into payroll and player development. Jeff Loria take a bow!
I have raised my oldest son and daughter( both huge baseball fans) to believe that with hard work, persistence and a little luck they can be successful at whatever they choose to do and I still believe that in life. I just hate that in baseball it still may be possible, BUT it is becoming the longest of longshots, unless you are among the chosen ones by the Lord Bud Selig.
November 4th, 200911:06 pm
Not sure if anyone talked about this already but Jim Callis at Baseball America said this when asked whether he would take Heyward or Justin Upton
“Tempted to say Heyward, but it’s hard to go against the guy who has proven it in the majors. So I’ll say Upton.”
November 4th, 200911:08 pm
You kidding? It would take more than Longoria and Shields alone just to get KJ.
November 4th, 200911:09 pm
Maybe that nice new stadium too.
November 4th, 200911:10 pm
No wait…that’s the Marlins new, unbuilt stadium. Nevermind.
BUT it is becoming the longest of longshots, unless you are among the chosen ones by the Lord Bud Selig. ccrider
they have spent almost twice what anybody else has over the decade and are just now winning a WS. Combine that with the fact that very few teams have repeated and I’m not sure how much proof there is for what you are complaining about.
November 4th, 200911:13 pm
I would just like to be the first to pat the Yankees organization on the back and say a championship “WELL BOUGHT”!
Actually, I’d say you’re about the bajillionth, not the first.
November 4th, 200911:15 pm
5 more outs and it’s HOT STOVE TIME!
November 4th, 200911:17 pm
Ryan Howard is the owner of a dubious record. 13th strikeout in WS!
November 4th, 200911:18 pm
Or is that post season ~_~
Either way it’s a record! ~_~
November 4th, 200911:19 pm
The record is for the World Series. I’m surprised Buck and McCarver haven’t said anything about it.
November 4th, 200911:25 pm
“if that is your point then what exactly was your problem with my original post and why are you being so aggressive about it, when I said it wasn’t meant as anything but musings? I’m really not seeing where this is all coming from.”- Moby Grape
I wasn’t being “aggressive”. I was simply stating a point. Don’t see where I was being agressive unless you consider responding to a post agressive. You said in your 1st post the save percentage and where the braves ranked. You then said something, and i’ll use the exact quote from you here, ” All of the other relievers given a chance to save a game, missed on every save opportunity (Peter Moylan-0/5, Kris Medlen-0/2, Eric O’Flaherty-0/2, and Jorge Campillo-0/1).” In my post i said that the stat could be misleading because of exactly this. They did not blow every save opportunity they had like you said but instead blew saves when trying to get a hold but since the stat is called hold when you preserve the lead in a setup role and not a closers role they never would have recieved a save for it like Gonzo and Soriano got when they actually came into to close a game. They recieve a hold but if they blow it they don’t get blown hold put by their name its blown save. That was my only point initially and if you go back and read the post you will get that. Just like some people here don’t like when people simply rely on batting average for offensive stats or win loss totals for starting pitchers.
My only point was to say that just looking at the saves, blown saves, and save percentage wasn’t as cut and dry as it sounds. There are other factors that effect bullpens. Sorry you felt as if I was attacking you or something. This is a blog and I was just stating my take on it.
November 4th, 200911:26 pm
Amen to that! Go Mo! Love that guy.
Plus, anders will hate this.
November 4th, 200911:37 pm
I guess money can buy happiness.
HATE NEW YORK AND HATE THE YANKEES!!!!!
November 4th, 200911:38 pm
3 outs away from hot stove
November 4th, 200911:41 pm
I’ll bet Fox gets creative and plays “New York, New York”
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