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DAP

November 4th, 2009
2:49 pm

youre right, scoots. no need to force it.

David O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
2:51 pm

Randy S: Great photos, man. I love the shot of Patterson Hood in the Ace Frehley makeup. And the Lips and Jane’s photos are cool. All of them are, actually.

You go to Tipitina’s while there? Love that place. That and the Maple Leaf.

Hillbilly

November 4th, 2009
2:59 pm

I suppose Proctor will be Acosta.

Rammmerjammer, I predict he will be Tanyon Sturtze

Steve from OH

November 4th, 2009
2:59 pm

Seems that if Proctor doesn’t come up until May, he’ll be under our control as an arb-eligible in 20111 as well. Solid move by Wren.

Venice Jim

November 4th, 2009
3:02 pm

ncscoots – I would also like to apologize, because I first used “foe paw” intentionally to describe something someone had just said, and did not intend for it to be picked up as part of mis-spoken blog lore. Of course, my original intent was quickly lost by the time it was repeated for the fifth time… :)

ncscoots

November 4th, 2009
3:07 pm

VJ, no apologies, brother. Too late now, anyway, LOL. Foe paw lives on, and that’s the name of that tune. No rules when it comes to blog lore; just happens.

They still roller-blading down by the water in Venice? Or has that become so yesterday, LOL?

Venice Jim

November 4th, 2009
3:09 pm

ncscoots – I have not had any time to wander around yet – I will let you know when I do

rammerjammer

November 4th, 2009
3:10 pm

Hillbilly,

Tanyon Sturtze! Wow, did that signing really happen?

P. W. Hjort

November 4th, 2009
3:11 pm

Steve from OH (November 4, 2009 2:59 PM) Seems that if Proctor doesn’t come up until May, he’ll be under our control as an arb-eligible in 2011 as well.

Actually, if he’s off the active roster for only 12 days (maybe even fewer) in 2010, he’s under team control as an arbitration eligible player for 2011 and 2012.

He has 4.010 years of service. Basically, if he doesn’t accumulate a full year in 2010, he’ll have <5 years of service, and the Braves can keep him in all of 2011 and he'll still have <6 years of service at the end of 2011, making him, again, under team control as an arbitration-eligible player.

Solid move by Wren.

Definitely.

David O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
3:12 pm

Since it’s a split contract, Braves shouldn’t have to use a 40-man roster spot for Proctor, which is important as Rule 5 draft looms next month.

David O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
3:14 pm

Hillbilly, that’s funny you mentioned Sturtze. I thought SAME thing as I was writing about Proctor signing. I don’t think the contract will be anywhere near the size of that mistake they gave Sturtz, which was really a head-scratcher.

David O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
3:17 pm

Sturtze played a lot during his season with the Braves. A lot of golf.

Mike S

November 4th, 2009
3:18 pm

I agree with DOB that trading for Matt Capps makes little sense for the Braves, as he was downright horrible last year. But those proposing that we could trade Kelly or Church for him can just stop. Why on earth would Pittsburgh do that? The only legit closer candidate (and that’s using the word legit liberally) on a team that had the 2nd worst bullpen ERA in the league last year, for a guy that will make even more than him in arbitration next year (Kelly or Church would both surely make more than Capps in arbitration)?? The only reason Pittsburgh would trade Capps is to dump salary, and trading him for more expensive, arbitration-eligible non-tender candidates like Kelly or Church makes ZERO sense for them.

**tries hard to avoid making standard, “why would any pirates move need to make sense” joke…

Nick from PA

November 4th, 2009
3:18 pm

NCmike

November 4th, 2009
3:18 pm

DOB…

Tried to post this yesterday, but think I goofed…

Which Padron are you smoking? The 1964, 1926 or the brown label Padron series? I “grew-up” on the Padron series and the 1964 is one of my faves. You should to roadtrip up to NC on Nov 30th. Jorge Padron is coming to our cigar club for dinner and smokes.

P. W. Hjort

November 4th, 2009
3:20 pm

Steve from OH -

Seems that if Proctor doesn’t come up until May, he’ll be under our control as an arb-eligible in 20111 as well. Solid move by Wren.

Actually, if he misses more than ~20 days in 2010, the Braves can keep him as an arbitration eligible player for 2011 and 2012. He has 4.010 years of service. If he doesn’t accumulate a full year in 2010, he’ll have less than 5 years of service at the conclusion of 2010, meaning that best case scenario (for him) he’ll have less than 6 years of service at the conclusion of 2011.

Definitely a solid move.

Jay212033

November 4th, 2009
3:21 pm

So would anyone object to a Vazquez for Matt Gamel and Brett Lawrie deal if Vazquez doesn’t agree to an extension this off-season?

wjones

November 4th, 2009
3:23 pm

“Gonzo was fantastic, in a setup role, but he was awful as the closer. He is just too wild, and inconsistant to be a closer.”

Didn’t Gonzo have a save streak of over 30 games in a row without blowing a save at one point?

Also, I know Javier Vazquez improved his stock with a stellar season this year, and I know that good pitching is in hot demand all over MLB, but how do you explain the theory that the Braves will OBTAIN much more quality than they GAVE UP for Vazquez? Were the Braves that smart? Were the Chisox that dumb? Has his value gone up THAT much? IIRC, we gave up Lillibridge and Flowers for him, right? Just saying.

O.J.

November 4th, 2009
3:24 pm

Jay, YES, we would object

O.J.

November 4th, 2009
3:24 pm

At least I would

O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
3:29 pm

Proctor paid the price for totaling 190 innings in 166 appearances over a 2 year span.

And thats exactly the reason why I’m concerned with how Bobby overuses our bullpen. How many relievers did we have in the top 10 for appearances? Sure Moylan was fine last season, but how will he hold up this season?

I hope we have more reliable relievers this season, and I hope Bobby can do a better job managing his bullpen.

McFann Ô

November 4th, 2009
3:30 pm

Lew

November 4th, 2009
3:31 pm

Braves’ Fans really need to learn who Julio Teheran is. Kid’s only 18, throws damned near 100 MPH, has four good pitches, including change up and breaking ball and could well have much more natural talent than Hanson. He comes from a baseball family (Dad and uncle are coaches and scouts and cousin is an infielder in the Braves org) and has his head tied on straight. he needs to stay in the organization. He should be very good by the time he’s in his very early 20’s.

Daslied

November 4th, 2009
3:32 pm

McFann, Jaramillo (sp?) went to the Cubs.

Lew

November 4th, 2009
3:33 pm

O’Brien-Proctor is further proof of the Braves’ Bullpen philosophy, borrowed from the Lay’s Potato Chip people-”Use all the relievers you want. We’ll make more.”

NCmike

November 4th, 2009
3:38 pm

Maybe this can be Proctor’s “intro” song from the pen…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rURf_oYp4eE

ncscoots

November 4th, 2009
3:45 pm

Use all the relievers you want. We’ll make more.

And a fine philosophy it is. Ninety percent of all bullpen arms in the bigs are pretty much interchangeable, and performance from any one of them in a single season is a coin-flip. But who here remembers the howls over Ron Mahay not being re-signed? Or Will Ohman? Or a dozen others with names I’ve totally forgotten?

Sign ‘em and try ‘em. If they bust, get another one; it’s not as if you going to pick up some middle reliever and cry, “The Braves Just Traded For The Pennant!” You wonder why Cox and Torre and the other 28 managers run some guy out there 70+ times, if he’s going good? Because there’s little chance that the guy is ever going to go that good again at some other point in the future. Just not in the nature of the beast. Best get the good innings from the guy when you can.

Random

November 4th, 2009
3:45 pm

monty (November 4th, 2009 2:23 pm): “I hope the Braves pitchers are taking notes on how the Yankees are pitching to Howard.”

YES-S-S!!! ALL the Braves pitchers — not just the starters — should throw to Howard left-handed. Genius!!! ;-) (JK)

“Can’t believe this is the same guy who always single handedly beats us.”

Actually, Braves pitchers pretty much owned Howard the first half of the season. You could look it up. (Or you could make me look it up — I did it once already; I should be able to dig it up again.)

“They have reduced him (so far) to being a non-factor.”

So far.

8-)

Jay212033

November 4th, 2009
3:45 pm

O.J.

And why? You’d rather have Vazquez around for only one more season instead of a cheap 1B/OF replacement in Gamel and our future 3B in Lawrie? Also if Vazquez’ numbers hold true he WILL NOT repeat his numbers from last season.

MattyRoss

November 4th, 2009
3:49 pm

ugaaccountant

November 4th, 2009
3:50 pm

Why would we pay Wagner equal money to what we could give Soriano via arbitration? Soriano has to be considered a better closer than Wagner these days given their ages and recent track records.

I wasn’t thinking the braves would keep Soriano, but then to see they might throw away the same money plus a 1st round draft pick for a player that I consider significantly worse for 2010 is not logical.

Lew

November 4th, 2009
3:50 pm

Jay (with assorted numbers following)-Thing is, this is the first time in his entire career that Vazquez is pitching in a true pitcher’s park. Every single other town he’s pitched in were hitter friendly stadiums (and quite a few years with teams that sucked).

He’s also gone on record saying he likes Atlanta because it’s closer to his home in PR and both Jurrjens and Chipper have come out saying how much he’s helped JJ develop. Couple all of this with the fact they coud very likely sign him to an extension at good club prices and it makes much sense to NOT trade him-especially if they can trade Lowe with his salary.

Lew

November 4th, 2009
3:52 pm

If they traded for Uggla (and his God awful defense), would they put Prado at first? Would this work?

DAP

November 4th, 2009
3:56 pm

uggla for vazquez? heck no.

Random

November 4th, 2009
3:57 pm

dpelfrey (November 4th, 2009 2:47 pm): “And don’t forget we still have Acosta and can always bring back Jeff Bennett after he’s gets his cast off (just trying to get under Random’s skin with that).”

Hahah. :lol:

Not my skin — you might be thinking of the pelt of “Make-It-Up-Boy” Jeff321 (“So, not only is Jeff “give it up boy” Bennett a crappy pitcher, but he also has a temper problem! Sounds like he fits like a glove in the Braves “very respectable” clubhouse, eh?”).

Otherwise — pretty good one.

8-)

McFann Ô

November 4th, 2009
4:02 pm

Daslied

Ah…gotcha, thanks.

What’s the “sp?” for?

chris

November 4th, 2009
4:02 pm

uggla for vazquez trade aint happening guys. more speculating and whats worth is that you gotta pay to see that article. stuff like that is one of the reasons why the economy is in the hole. to make a quick buck, then lose out in the future. but anyways, no i dont think uggla for vazquez trade would make much sense.

Moe Berg

November 4th, 2009
4:03 pm

McFann-Source: Hurdle to be Rangers’ new hitting coach

Oh wow…what happened to their old one?

Rudy Jaramillo has joined the Cubs.

P. W. Hjort

November 4th, 2009
4:03 pm

If they traded for Uggla (and his God awful defense), would they put Prado at first? Would this work?

I don’t think so.

Lew

November 4th, 2009
4:10 pm

PWH-Just trying to find logic in that scenario. I agree-there isn’t much there. Yes, they would improve the power in the lineup, but at the cost of defensive ability at second and the loss of pitching. Not overly equitable to my way of thinking.

abwright

November 4th, 2009
4:10 pm

Homer, November 4th, 2009, 10:00 am … “Fire DOB .”

I finally figured out that Homer is not directing AJC to terminate Dave O’Brien. Rather, he is a stoner who thinks that this blog is a twitter site, and he’s just telling his homies that he got baked.

“Fire DOB” is tweet-speak for “I just FIREd up a DOoBie.”

P. W. Hjort

November 4th, 2009
4:21 pm

I hear ya, Lew.

MattyRoss -

The ESPN rumor central link doesn’t say too much. It just says (paraphrasing rather badly), “it probably makes more sense than most people would think after making a snap judgment, but still probably doesn’t make too much sense”

Jeff R

November 4th, 2009
4:21 pm

I keep going back and forth on this, but Wren’s gotta give priority to moving Lowe and/or Kawakami over Vazquez. If Lowe or Kawakami (the latter as part of a package) can’t attact a good, young righty power hitter, then I think he goes with the Vazquez option.

Hudson’s return is welcome, but is he better than Vazquez? I think he’s better than Lowe and I know he’s better than Kawakami, but I’m not certain that he replaces Vazquez.

Bay Area Steve

November 4th, 2009
4:23 pm

Fire abwright.

Randy S

November 4th, 2009
4:24 pm

DOB

I wasn’t down at Voodoo, which pains me. But I go down to New Orleans 5-6 times a year and live at Tips and the Maple Leaf when I’m there. Fantastic venues. Thursday nights George Porter, Jr (bassist from the Meters) always has a trio show at the Maple Leaf and Saturday night is usually Dick and Jenny’s followed by Tips (caught Os Mutantes there last month). And I’ll be in Nola this weekend…

RHR

November 4th, 2009
4:26 pm

MattyRoss -

In his latest mailbag, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro suggest that the Florida Marlins and Atlanta Braves could possibly consider connecting on a Dan Uggla-for-Javier Vazquez trade, should the Braves out Vazquez on the market.

This idea actually makes a lot more sense than it may seam on the surface, since the Braves lack an everyday first baseman and the Marlins front office is very familiar with Vazquez from their time in Montreal.

Uggla could play first, or the Braves could slide Chipper Jones to first base and use Uggla at third base. The problem with such at trade, however, might be the money owed to Vazquez. The reason Uggla might be available is because of the salary he may earn through arbitration this winter, and Vazquez is guaranteed $11.5 million for 2010

ugaaccountant

November 4th, 2009
4:26 pm

but how do you explain the theory that the Braves will OBTAIN much more quality than they GAVE UP for Vazquez?

I don’t know much about Lawrie, but I’ll assume he’s a stud #1 prospect. I can’t see it though, unless Vazquez is agreeing to a contract extension. The Brewers might move Gamels fairly freely, since he’s a problem on defense, but I’m trusting that Lawrie is somebody they are really high on. That would be a lot for them to give up for a 1 season rental (sound familiar?)

Were the Braves that smart?
Yes – The braves were in fact that smart. They worked out that Vasquez fit our league, our park, and our manager. That’s what they said they were going for and that’s what happened.

Were the Chisox that dumb?
Nope, not dumb. He didn’t pitch well in that situation. Same for the Yankees.

Has his value gone up THAT much?
Yes, sub 3.00 era seasons where he should get Cy Young votes tends to raise your value when you were previously seen as an average mid-rotation starter.

IIRC, we gave up Lillibridge and Flowers for him, right?
Just boil it down to Flowers. Lillibridge was overrated and I trust the braves front office had figured that out by then. You could argue some of the other pieces included were for Logan and really were minor in comparisson with Flowers for Vasquez part of the deal.

Random

November 4th, 2009
4:27 pm

Lew (November 4th, 2009 3:50 pm)–

Jay212033’s premise for the hypothetical trade of Vazquez was IF the Braves could not extend him.

And I think I’m on board with him on that.

RHR

November 4th, 2009
4:28 pm

Daslied

November 4th, 2009
4:30 pm

McFann – I wasn’t sure if I spelled his name right. :)

Josh Willingham has a .419 OPS in 108 PA at the Ted. Wow.

RHR

November 4th, 2009
4:31 pm

DOB burning up the twitter already. :lol:

ugaaccountant

November 4th, 2009
4:33 pm

Josh Willingham I like if the price is Lowe (yes please) or Kawakami (that one’s fair). Not interested if they try to ask for Vasquez, even if Vasquez won’t extend.

Laurel

November 4th, 2009
4:36 pm

Hey DOB,

The Meat Puppets are awesome.

Check them out next time they swing through ATL – they’re amazing live, and I’m sure they’d love to meet you. Super nice guys..

Best wishes

CB

November 4th, 2009
4:38 pm

Random, are you going to give us your anal ysis of the game tonight? Can’t wait for that. :-)

ncscoots

November 4th, 2009
4:40 pm

DOB burning up the twitter already.

Just another sign that the apocalypse is near.

Fire twitter.

RHR

November 4th, 2009
4:43 pm

I wonder if he has an assistant doing his twittering, like the celebs do.

Efrim

November 4th, 2009
4:44 pm

So would anyone object to a Vazquez for Matt Gamel and Brett Lawrie deal if Vazquez doesn’t agree to an extension this off-season?

I’d probably be against such a trade. I like both of those prospects, but where does Gamel play? He doesn’t really have a position and will he hit enough to play first base? Lawrie is kind of far away, isn’t he? And he also has some position questions.

dpelfrey

November 4th, 2009
4:45 pm

Random, I’m glad I could distract you with a little humor and get you to quit disagreeing with every stinking thing I say!!! Even if we disagree, at least we have a decent enough team to disagree about. Could be worse, we could be Pirate fans (assuming they still exist).

All I was trying to get at is if dealing 2 starting pitchers means the team can afford to bring in a Holliday or Bay to play left field , I say heck yeah. The other details (especially the ones you, dare I say, challenged) are all just fodder. Just being realistic that we aren’t the Yankees and can’t be well-stocked in all areas with the limited payroll. I think that’s reasonable to say.

Efrim

November 4th, 2009
4:45 pm

The problem with such at trade, however, might be the money owed to Vazquez.

And the fact that Vazquez is more valuable than Uggla. There’s that too……

Jay212033

November 4th, 2009
4:45 pm

Random

Thanks for being the only person that actually read what I wrote.

Jay212033

November 4th, 2009
4:48 pm

Efrim

Gamel could play either LF or 1B but in order to save money I’d have him play 1B and permanently move Lawrie to 3B.

RHR

November 4th, 2009
4:48 pm

Yeah a starting pitcher for a beefed up kelly johnson? Hell to the no.

Thrillhouse44

November 4th, 2009
4:49 pm

Uggla could play first, or the Braves could slide Chipper Jones to first base and use Uggla at third base.

Joe Frisaro needs to ask DOB about Chipper switching over to first.

Jay212033

November 4th, 2009
4:49 pm

Also Lawrie is already in AA and will just turn 20 in Jan.

ncscoots

November 4th, 2009
4:50 pm

I wonder if he has an assistant doing his twittering, like the celebs do.

Gawd. How could any righteous person ever put such a job on his or her resume?

Q: “So, what did you do as Madonna’s assistant?”

A: “I handled her tweets.”

Q: “Thanks for coming in, and best of luck.”

CB

November 4th, 2009
4:52 pm

Yeah,I think we need to put McCann in center,Escobar in right field,Chipper to catch and DOB to manage. When we win DOB can light up one of his $10 cigars.

Bravo

November 4th, 2009
4:53 pm

Lowe for Juan Pierre, then re-sign LaRoche? McLouth-McCann-LaRoche seems pretty formidable in the 4-5-6 slots assuming Chipper stays in the 3.

abwright

November 4th, 2009
4:57 pm

Hillbilly, 12:34 pm … “Would rather have Emily Procter but whatever.”

If the Braves could get Emily Procter and Eva Longoria, they would be fun to watch. They might not win very many games, as neither qualifies as a “big bat.” But they’d be great for attendance.

Moby Grape

November 4th, 2009
4:59 pm

While awaiting the much anticipated Game 6 of the World Series, I took a look at the National League saves statistics from this past season. Here are the raw numbers and team rankings:

Saves/Save Opportunities

1) Colorado 45/61
2) San Diego 45/68
3) Florida 45/69
4) Milwaukee 44/66
5) Philadelphia 44/66
6) Los Angeles 44/70
7) St. Louis 43/58
8) Cincinnati 41/53
9) San Francisco 41/58
10) Chicago 40/58
11) New York 39/60
12) Houston 39/65
13) Atlanta 38/60
14) Arizona 36/55
15) Washington 33/58
16) Pittsburgh 28/45

Save Percentage

1) Cincinnati .774
2) St. Louis .741
3) Colorado .738
4) San Francisco .707
5) Chicago .690
6) Milwaukee .667
6) Philadelphia .667
8) San Diego .662
9) Arizona .655
10) Florida .652
11) New York .650
12) Atlanta .633
13) Los Angeles .629
14) Pittsburgh .622
15) Houston .600
16) Washington .569

Only three teams had fewer saves than the 38 saves recorded by the Braves, the Diamondbacks (36), the Nationals (33), and the Pirates (28). Notice anything about those three teams? All three finished in last place in their respective divisions.

In terms of saves percentage, only four teams had a lower success ratio than Atlanta. Three of the four (Pittsburgh, Houston, and Washington) had losing records. The surprise in this category was Los Angeles which, in spite of its relatively low success ratio, had the best record in the league.

In terms of individual statistics among Braves’ relief pitchers, Rafael Soriano had 27 saves in 31 opportunites (an outstanding .871 success ratio) while Mike Gonzalez had 10 saves in 17 opportunities (a ho-hum .588 success ratio). Outside of those two pitchers, the remainder of the staff was a non-factor. Kenshin Kawakami recorded the only other save by a Braves pitcher (1 save in 2 opportunities). All of the other relievers given a chance to save a game, missed on every save opportunity (Peter Moylan-0/5, Kris Medlen-0/2, Eric O’Flaherty-0/2, and Jorge Campillo-0/1).

So what does all of this mean? I’ll leave each of you to draw your own conclusions, but what it points out to me is that if Rafael Soriano and Mike Gonzalez both leave via free agency, Frank Wren had better have a strong back-up plan in place to acquire an experienced closer to replace them. We all remember what a disaster it was two years ago when the Braves couldn’t find someone to reliably close games for them and saw so many late-inning leads slip away.

ChipperFan

November 4th, 2009
5:02 pm

Javier Vazquez’s $11.5m salary would literally make up almost half of the Marlin’s 2010 payroll. Most assuredly, there is not one shred of truth to this rumor.

Herschel Talker

November 4th, 2009
5:15 pm

Can anyone confirm the firing of Booby Cox? That would give us some momentum for 2010. He is a moron.

Cox and Richt = Bozo and Cookie. Two tools.

http://www.blamemymom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/harmon.jpg
http://wildsheepchasing.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/cooky95.jpg

McFann Ô

November 4th, 2009
5:18 pm

Moe Berg

Thanks!

Daslied I wasn’t sure if I spelled his name right.

Oh, I get it…sorry. :P

Moby Grape

November 4th, 2009
5:20 pm

I haven’t posted that much this year b/c I was not thrilled with .400-500 baseball season that was only preventted by a 15-2 run in September. Ozzie

well that shows a lot of dedication (not) to go along with your foolish talk, like you are above the group. Sounds kinda condescending to me. just another glib band wagon fan. Scoots has forgotten more about baseball than you will probably ever know, and he’s man enough to ride out the losing unlike you.

MattyRoss

November 4th, 2009
5:21 pm

Thanks for the info, folks. Didn’t think it was much more than baseless speculation.

Obnoxious Lee for Vazquez post

November 4th, 2009
5:25 pm

Ted Lilly just had shoulder surgery.

Lee to the Braves has legs!!!!!!

jeffrey d

November 4th, 2009
5:28 pm

On another note, I have the second highest sports vent today. That really helps the confidence after last month’s debacle.

O'Brien

November 4th, 2009
5:30 pm

At his press conference, a reporter asked Charlie Manuel if he is worried about Howard’s feelings. Charlie said he is not concerned about feelings. His job is to put the best lineup on the field, in the best position to win. His job is to win games, not worry about feelings.

I wonder if he really means that, or is he just saying it? (I know we’ve gotten on Cox for batting Chipper 3rd the whole season despite his struggles, and one reason why Bobby didnt move Chipper is because thats where Chipper prefers to be, and you know how Bobby treats his guys).

That being said, I hope the Phillies win tonight.

Lew

November 4th, 2009
5:34 pm

Random-I’m betting they CAN extend Vazquez.

nolie

November 4th, 2009
5:40 pm

Proctor tends to give up homers. He’s a low risk pick up, though. Might pan out. (Jeff)

plus a lot of walks, high WHIP. I have serious doubts about that one, but you never know

Doc Holiday

November 4th, 2009
5:43 pm

I thought Wren said that his goal this winter was for the braves to get better……….How does signing Proctor does that? Why do we always get to pick up the wounded/old? Hampton, Proctor, Gonzalez-Soriano(those 2 were not wounded at the time we picked them up, but I cant stop thinking that their respective teams knew what was coming), glavine, wickman, GA, lowe………man, we need to start making better pickups………….like LaRoche, matt and Javy.

ugaaccountant

November 4th, 2009
5:50 pm

Proctor surely is being signed for a minimal salary to compete for an end of the bullpen spot with the likes of Acosta, Logan, and rookies. We are a mid-market club with payroll limitations so not everyone on our 25 man roster will be a star player.

keylargo

November 4th, 2009
5:50 pm

Why do we always get to pick up the wounded/old? Hampton, Proctor, Gonzalez-Soriano(those 2 were not wounded at the time we picked them up, but I cant stop thinking that their respective teams knew what was coming),

Great attitude from a guy named Doc

nolie

November 4th, 2009
5:51 pm

) Vazquez + $$ to Nationals for Josh Willingham

Ok i absolutely refuse to believe that anybody posted this in seriousness no matter how they tried to make the post sound

rammerjammer

November 4th, 2009
5:55 pm

Lew,

If Braves offer an extension to Javy, what role would Hudson’s terms play in it? Will Javy sign for less than 3/27? Should he?

Thundersticks

November 4th, 2009
5:59 pm

Would the Nats trade Willingham & Dunn for Lowe & a really good prospect or two?

nolie

November 4th, 2009
6:02 pm

we gave up Lillibridge and Flowers for him, right? Just saying.

which so gar = nothing. Lilli will never amount to anything and Flowers,who has promise, still hasn’t proven himself and will likely be a DH. just sayin’

ugaaccountant

November 4th, 2009
6:02 pm

I would think anybody could be had for Lowe and a really good prospect or two, assuming those 2 prospects were Heyward and Freeman or Teheran.

I hope that’s not the ones you had in mind :)

Jeff R

November 4th, 2009
6:03 pm

nolie… By May or June, I hope Proctor doesn’t become the front office’s answer to no Gonzo or Soriano.

Jeff R

November 4th, 2009
6:06 pm

RHR… There’s another problem with an Uggla for Vazquez swap. Why would the Braves want to help the team that finished in front of them? If the Marlins were inclined to pick up Vazquez’s salary, I think they’d come out ahead on the deal. Uggla may hit but he can’t field. In that case, might as well give Johnson another go.

Scotty C

November 4th, 2009
6:11 pm

DOB, if youre in the Phoenix area, you MUST find the nearest Oreganos restaurant. The best pizza, salad and cheesy bread you’ll ever have out here in AZ. Not to mention their cookie desert is f’ing amazing.

Thundersticks

November 4th, 2009
6:14 pm

ugaaccountant

No, not that good. The Nats are reportedly looking for a veteran SP to lead the young staff. The combined salaries of Dunn & Willingham (at least in year one) are comparable to Lowe’s. They might then be able to go after a FA hitter or two with the extra payroll they supposedly have and they will have helped to bolster their farm system.

I realize its far-fetched, but you never know. The Braves don’t typically send money away in trades, but Lowe + $15M for Willingham & Dunn would make a lot of sense from the Braves’ side. You have a clean-up hitter playing 1B on a one year deal and you get a good RH LF.

Jeff R

November 4th, 2009
6:18 pm

Anyone hearing if the Cubs or Cards would have an interest in Lowe?

Random

November 4th, 2009
6:20 pm

CB (November 4th, 2009 4:38 pm): “are you going to give us your anal ysis of the game tonight? Can’t wait for that.”

Maybe my anal whosis. :lol:

We’ll see. My laptop’s been acting “up” lately — I think I may need to find someone to sit on it and wiggle. ;-)

dpelfrey (November 4th, 2009 4:45 pm): “I’m glad I could distract you with a little humor and get you to quit disagreeing with every stinking thing I say!!! “

Now, dude — not everything you say stinks. If I copied and pasted everything you wrote that I AGREED with, it’d be longer than what I do post when I take exceptions. (And where’s the fun in agreeing, right?) 8-)

Jay212033 (November 4th, 2009 4:45 pm): “Thanks for being the only person that actually read what I wrote.”

You betcha!

Now let’s hope that dpelfrey reads this comment — he/she was having doubts about my thoroughness earlier.

Lew (November 4th, 2009 5:34 pm): “I’m betting they CAN extend Vazquez.”

How much? (Ha ha. :lol: )

I’m hoping they can.

(I think they can, I think they can, I think they can . . . . . )

nolie

November 4th, 2009
6:20 pm

Would the Nats trade Willingham & Dunn for Lowe & a really good prospect or two (Thunder)

they’d have to be crazy to give up that much offense since we have no real “top” prospects except Heyward who are high enough to be of sure value for several years. No way that happens since our #2 guy Freeman still has enough questions about him as to be less than the sure thing they would require for what they would be giving up

Salamander

November 4th, 2009
6:23 pm

New Baroness album Blue Record absolutely gets it done.

Hard southern rockers from Savannah. They sound similar to Mastodon, but with a greater emphasis on southern rock.

nolie

November 4th, 2009
6:24 pm

(Moby)

I think Sori has gotten some of a bum rap here. I think he’s a pretty decent closer all things considered and would ratherwhat see them pay for him than pay much for Wags. But it seems unlikely that they will bring him back.

Lowermanor

November 4th, 2009
6:30 pm

DOB – music recommendation for you – The Devil Makes Three…coming to atlanta on Thursday November 12th, @ The Drunken Unicorn. from Santa Cruz and they tear it up out here on the West Coast

ncgary

November 4th, 2009
6:40 pm

padillo got shot in puerto rica , maybe the dodgers want lowe back

nolie

November 4th, 2009
6:42 pm

(DOB)

I read that the Cubs are looking at other spring training sites instead of the HoHoKam (sp) park in Arizona. Did you see any real problems? Or they could just be looking for a better deal or improvements and applying a bit of pressure.

Efrim

November 4th, 2009
6:42 pm

Ok i absolutely refuse to believe that anybody posted this in seriousness no matter how they tried to make the post sound

nolie, I think people underrate Vazquez. Not sure if you saw that Marlin mlb.com writer suggest Uggla for Vazquez. Personally, I think that’s pretty insane.

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