2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 4th, 20098:53 am
Ryan Church for Matt Capps?
Been waiting to hear word on the signing of Hudson to an extension. From the sound of it last week I would have thought it would be done by now. After last years problems I’m getting worried. Anyone have any word?
chip off the ol block
November 4th, 20098:54 am
RH I’m sure Huddy’s signed already, but they’ll announce it after the WS is over
November 4th, 20098:57 am
A few simple predictions for 2010 about the players we know will be here. Just for kicks.
Escobar will explode into one of the top offensive shortstops in baseball with a .300+ AVG, 40+ doubles and 20+ homers.
Medlen will be lights out with a sub-3.00 ERA and a 10+ K/9 ratio in whatever role he serves (that changeup is down right filthy).
Hudson comes back and pitches well, winning 14 games with a mid-3.00 ERA.
Hanson struggles a bit in his second season, winning 9-12 games with a mid-3.00 ERA, but still has a 9+ K/9 ratio (he’ll be the victim of lack of run support, the Braves have one each year, so why should next year be any different).
Jurrjens emerges as a legitimate Cy candidate with an 18 win season and sub-3.00 ERA. His K/9 ratio increases as he continues to master changing speeds.
Chipper improves on his 2009 season, returning to a near .300 AVG, but still slugs under .500 for only the 4th time in his career (his power stroke is fading folks).
McLouth puts up a solid season, with 30+ doubles, 20+ homers, 20+ SB and a .350-plus OBP.
Prado channels the great Marcus Giles for a 45+ double season and .290-plus AVG.
McCann gets his first 30+ homer, 100+ RBI season (hopefully because they sign a bit bat to give him some protection and lighten the load on Mac).
Diaz gets limited duty as Heyward gets the call in June (I’m assuming the Braves sign or trade for an everyday leftfielder), but does well in part-time and pinch-hit duties, and wins the award for the biggest fan club at the stadium.
And lastly, Heyward plays in 100 games, hits around .270 with 20 doubles, 10-15 HR and 60-70 RBI, not a bad rookie season at all, but less than what most will predict (go look at Ryan Howard’s rookie season, but take away half the power).
Oh, and Braves fans gringe as Francoeur returns to his pre-2008 form, hitting near .300 with 40+ doubles, 25+ homers, 100+ RBI. Wren gets reamed for the trade as Church eventually gets traded for a veteran middle reliever. Then in 2011 Francoeur repeats his 2008-2009 seasons and we sigh with relief again.
November 4th, 20098:59 am
How about giving Kelly a shot in left field. He only had 1 bad season, and we all know he has some serious pop in his bat. Prado is the second basemen, there is no way that changes, and Kelly first came up as a LF(he could make the transition back to the outfield) and platoon with Matt Diaz.
I find it difficult to understand why the Braves would not be willing to give LaRoche a contract offer of three years unless they (1)think there is a better trade alternative out there (2)think Freeman will provide these type of numbers that Adam will provide by 2011. If LaRoche is signed at a reasonable contract it is not like he is untradeable. It would appear to me that it is a win-win to get Adam under contract.
November 4th, 20099:02 am
T’is the season of absurd trade scenarios. The night’s winner is the Vazquez, Medlen and Freeman for Paplebon. Does this person actually watch baseball? Runner up is cdog with the dump Matt Diaz because he’s dead weight statement. Does this person realize Diaz lead the Braves in hitting? Apparently not.
November 4th, 20099:04 am
tomas-Do you seriously believe that going into the season with an outfield of Diaz, McLouth and Kelly Johnson has improved the Braves at all over last year? All you would have done is trade Garrett Anderson for Kelly Johnson and spent twice as much to do so.
November 4th, 20099:10 am
dpelfrey McCann gets his first 30+ homer, 100+ RBI season (hopefully because they sign a bit bat to give him some protection and lighten the load on Mac).
Sounds good to me…especially the 100+ RBI and the part about the big bat.
November 4th, 20099:13 am
How would you all feel if this happened?
- Ryan Church gets trade to the pirates for Matt Capps.
- Braves offer arbitration to both Laroche(type B), and Gonzo(type A), they both deny it.
- Braves sign Billy Wagner to 1yr 8 million.
- Braves sign Xavier Nady to play 1B to 2 yrs 10 million
- Braves sign Tim Hudson to 3yrs 27 million.
- Braves trade Javier Vazquez in three team deal that bring Brad Hawpe to ATL(and Vazquez to a team in one of the East or central divisions).
- Kelly Johnson platoons with Matt Diaz in LF.
CF Nate Mclouth
2B Martin Prado
3B Chipper Jones
1B Xavier Nady
RF Brad Hawpe
C Brian McCann
SS Yunel Escobar
LF Kelly Johnson/Matt Diaz
November 4th, 20099:15 am
PHWjortI think Pujols has been playing with a bum WRIST, but I could be wrong.
i think a wrist would be a bigger deal for a hitter than an elbow. what i heard (from a cards fan, not a news article) is that pujols would be out having tommy john surgery if he was a pitcher. i think he is actually having something done this offseason.
wayne i think if the braves are going to go after a guy like cody ross, there are alot of players that will be options.
November 4th, 20099:22 am
tomas, thats alot for wagner isnt it?
November 4th, 20099:24 am
The most significant way to improve the Braves’ offense is not the addition of a power hitter but rather the addition of a manager who has even a slight clue as to how to manage the offense.
November 4th, 20099:26 am
It is amazing that the Braves plan, worry, fret, etc relating to how to improve the team (trades, free agent signings, making the budget work etc), yet completely ignore the one very simple thing that would do more than all the other things combined to improve the team — Fire Bobby Cox
He made 10.5 this yr. And he is a heck of a closer, I guarantee you he wont get less than that.
November 4th, 20099:29 am
Hearing you go on about Sons of Anarchy makes me think I need to check it out. When it first came on it seemed to me like it was a biker gang drama and if you are into bikes, which you are, it seems like a good fit for you. I am not into bikes so would I be interested in it? We seem to have similar taste in tv dramas so I trust your opinion.
November 4th, 20099:31 am
tomas He made 10.5 this yr. And he is a heck of a closer, I guarantee you he wont get less than that.
what he made last year when he was out for tommy john surgery probably doesnt matter. he might get that much, i dont know, but he only pitched 15 innings. i bet he gets alot less than that.
Wayne in Utah
November 4th, 20099:37 am
You are probably smart enough to realize that your desire to have Bobby Cox is probably not going to happen. What I don’t understand is why you would make such as statement, basically showing all who read here that you are not to be taken seriously.
If you want to talk about things the Braves should do, maybe you should start with things that have some semblance of a chance to actually happen.
I love you Cox bashers….you probably didn’t get enough hugs when you were a child.
November 4th, 20099:38 am
TBS no longer wants to carry Braves baseball games on a daily basis. Is it true that with Bobby Cox continuing to manage they are considering carrying all the Braves games as a “comedy” show?
November 4th, 20099:39 am
DAP, i understand what you’re saying, but watching him pitched this year, he looked like he hadn’t lost a beat. Throwing 95-97 with an excellent slider. It’s like Tim Hudson, he looked healthy, in less than 10 starts and he is getting 9 million. Wagner actually had an option for next season worth 8 million. He would only agree to a deal to the Red Sox if the declined his option because he wants to be a closer. Knowing the Red Sox, there’s no doubt in my mind they would have picked it up.
Master of Karate and Friendship
November 4th, 20099:41 am
I hope I am wrong, but I am starting to get the feeling this “we have a 6 starters for 5 spots” thing is going to end us biting us you know where. I guess I am just working a reverse-jinx right now, because this situation (when Huddy’s officially signed) reminds me a lot of the Red Sox heading into 2009. Being from CT which is half Red Sox, half Yankees country, I remember them going on and on… and on about how Beckett, Dice-K, Bucholz, Penny, Masterson and Wakefield, and eventually Smoltz couldn’t all make turns and they have too many starters.
I am not saying we should keep 6 because obviously that’s simply not smart. I just really, really hope we aren’t sitting around, say, June 15th or so and one of our starters is injured, K.K. or Lowe is struggling and we essentially have 2 holes in the rotation. Because if so, I am going to think back to that poll question on the AJC page right now before I start to sob violently and dry heave.
(I hope my reverse jinx works)
November 4th, 20099:43 am
- Kelly Johnson platoons with Matt Diaz in LF. — tomas
Why would you consider doing that, when Kelly for the past two seasons has hit lefty pitchers far better than he’s hit righties? He hit .188 with a .281 OBP and .341 slugging percentage in 223 at-bats vs. righties in 2009, and .325/.368/.600 in 80 at-bats vs. lefties.
November 4th, 20099:49 am
DOB, you stole my comment (I guess this is your board though). Kelly’s numbers look backwards for most left-handed hitters, he is definitely not a lefty-righty platoon type of guy.
November 4th, 20099:52 am
Jamal Crawford was a great signing by the Hawks. Dude went off last night, 27 off the bench in a win at Portland.
November 4th, 20099:53 am
WHO WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR A TRADE FOR Javier Vazquez???
CAN WE AFORD HIM??
WE COULD NOT AFORD MARK TER*.
November 4th, 20099:55 am
November 4th, 200910:00 am
Fire DOB .
I DON’T KNOW WHO WOULD BE AVAILABLE. I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO MARK TER* IS OR IF WE CAN AFFORD HIM. ALSO, WHY ARE WE YELLING? AND WHY AREN’T WE CAPITALIZING Javier Vazquez’s NAME?
November 4th, 200910:03 am
What about someone like Chad Cordero as a “buy low” opportunity as closer?
November 4th, 200910:07 am
Honestly, the bullpen scares me the most. I think the offense will be much improved, performing like they did the second half of this season, even without adding a big bat. If the Braves can’t resign Gonzo or Soriano, then that has a domino effect on the rest of the guys. I think Moylan will be good again in whatever role he serves, but who knows how well O’Flaherty will fare in a more demanding role.
Balance is the key. I think it would be a waste of resources to hold onto all 6 starters with the thought of “sure would be nice to have that extra guy if someone gets hurt.” The Braves have some internal options for a 4th or 5th starter, even if they trade 2 of their current starters (I’m thinking Medlen or Carlyle/Campillo if they bring one or both back) and it’s never hard to pick up a 4th/5th type guy off the scrap heap or trade a low/mid level prospect for one. It’s much harder to add an impactful reliever or bat without giving up key prospects, so I would rather see them address those needs in the offseason by trading starting pitching (either direct trade or just to clear salary space for free agent signings). I know this is nothing new, but there seems to be some debate over whether it’s a good idea to trade 1 or even 2 starters, and that’s my 2 cents worth.
November 4th, 200910:08 am
We all know Kelly is a roller coaster. Sometimes he gets supernova hot, and sometimes he gets north pole cold. Throughout his career he has proven he can hit lefties, but with most of his homers against righties. I know the game is filled with right handed pitchers and he is obviously going to get more at bats against them.
His career splits vs lefties and righties favors him hitting lefties. 299AVG, with 9 homers and 57RBI’s in 462AB vs lefties. While vs righties he has a 251AVG, with 36 homers, and 149 RBI’s in 1199 at bats.
Pretty even in the power considering the at bats, but the reason I suggested a platoon with Diaz is Diaz ability to hit left handers, and it’s the only way Kelly can have a chance of proving his amazing potential once again.
Diaz is a leftie killer, but against righties, it’s another story. His OPS against righties is 722 as opposed to 922OPS against lefties. Kelly’s OPS is not much greater than Diaz against righties, 765, and 808 against lefties.
This off course is career wise. Kelly just had a down year, and was awful against righties. But Kelly’s trade value right now is almost nothing, isn’t it worth it to give him a chance to improve his trade value?
November 4th, 200910:12 am
The delay on Hudson extension resulted from the team having to find a doctor the insurance company approved of to do the physical. But they got the doc and Huddy passed the physical, from what I’m told. If so, it shouldn’t be much longer before they sign this deal and it gets announced.
Nick from PA
Andrew: I live in good ole York, PA
November 4th, 200910:14 am
dpelfry, i agree i want to have a strong bullpen. a good bullpen is so important to a good team, and some will disagree with this, but you can get a dependable bullpen by getting the right guys. i really hope wren gives some attention to the bullpen this offseason. (im sure he will)
November 4th, 200910:16 am
Don (November 4th, 2009 9:26 am): “It is amazing that the Braves plan, worry, fret, etc relating to how to improve the team (trades, free agent signings, making the budget work etc), yet completely ignore the one very simple thing that would do more than all the other things combined to improve the team — Fire Bobby Cox”
Easy to say, hard to prove.
Prove it, dumb axe.
(What’s truly amazing is your persistent idiocy.)
Homer: Well said, as always.
November 4th, 200910:18 am
Crawford has been a loser and malcontent wherever he has played. He has never made a playoff appearance. He will have a few big games but he isn’t a team player
November 4th, 200910:19 am
Oh, before I forget, I’m suppoed to say you can follow me (and Carroll, when she’s with the team) on Twitter
Who the hell are you and what did you do with DOB?
November 4th, 200910:29 am
They should fire Booby the Idiot the last week of the season so he can’t leave on his own terms. Truth is, they should fire him today. You an go ahead and flush 2010 down the crapper as long as that moron is manning the ship. Give me the captain of the Titanic before you give me that moron.
November 4th, 200910:30 am
dpelfrey (November 4th, 2009 10:07 am): “”
Oh, yeah — what with Lowe, Vazquez, Hudson, Jurrjens, Hanson and Kawakami, the Braves currently do have too many starting pitchers.
They could very easily trade away two of them, ’cause they’ve got Buddy Carlyle and Jorge Campillo on the back burner?!?!?!?
November 4th, 200910:35 am
I would like to see the Braves resign LaRoche, even if its for 3 years. My only concern is his price tag, but I wonder if LaRoche will accept a little lower salary, but for more years on the contract.
We dont know when Freddie Freeman will be ready. But when he is, we should be able to trade LaRoche.
November 4th, 200910:39 am
Hey DOB any thoughts of using Kawakami in a closer role. He is a big game pitcher and has the veteran pressence (since he pitched so long in Japanese league) that could be well suited in the late inning situations. I read somewhere that his first innings stats are amongst his best.
November 4th, 200910:41 am
BBQ question: What was the name of the place in Between GA with the cow races? I hear they only race when it’s warm so It may be to late for me to go this year.
November 4th, 200910:43 am
The Braves cannot give up pitching with Bobby Cox as manager. The only way to have a possible chance of winning with Cox is to have pitching so far far superior to the other teams that it overcomes his management procedures and lack thereof and makes it almost impossible to lose the Division over the long 162 game regular season. In addition, probably at least one of the pitchers will go down to injury. Anyway, the major problem with the offense is not the need for an additional hitter but rather having a manager who knows how the manage the offense.
November 4th, 200910:44 am
tomas-Dude, last year we had Garrett Anderson out there and paid him $2.5 million. He had a better year than KJ did.
This year, you want to offer KJ arbitration, which should cost the Braves anywhere between $3.5 million and $4. something million to platoon with Diaz when both of their numbers say that they hit LH pitching better than RH. Not to mention that what little experience he has in the outfield was four years ago and he would be a defensive liability.
Why would you advocate spending more money an last year with absolutely NO improvement in what numbers we should see? What is your rationale, if any? That Kelly gets hot every now and then? Weak, Dude, really weak. And not really in our best interests. At all.
dpelfrey (November 4th, 2009 10:07 am): “Balance is the key. I think it would be a waste of resources to hold onto all 6 starters with the thought of “sure would be nice to have that extra guy if someone gets hurt.” The Braves have some internal options for a 4th or 5th starter, even if they trade 2 of their current starters (I’m thinking Medlen or Carlyle/Campillo if they bring one or both back) and it’s never hard to pick up a 4th/5th type guy off the scrap heap or trade a low/mid level prospect for one.”
Man, dude, the Braves sure could have used you at the helm in 2007 instead of stupid Schuerholz or wrongwrongwrong Wren.
The best they could come up with off the scrap heap was Mark Redman, Lance Cormier, Jeff Bennett and Buddy Carlyle.
(Oh, I forgot — it’s Buddy Carlyle’s availability that’s gonna allow the Braves to trade Lowe and Hudson, right? My bad.)
November 4th, 200910:49 am
Don-No one has said it, but it needs saying. Your And Idiot.
November 4th, 200910:50 am
I didn’t insult anyone and I have posted on here for years. I haven’t posted that much this year b/c I was not thrilled with .400-500 baseball season that was only preventted by a 15-2 run in September.
If you follow this discussion nc was quick to be condescending re: other people’s FF opinions. I don’t do that as a rule. I post opinions I don’t judge others.
Being a “regular” on a blog does not come with preferred/implied status and when you start taking yourself seriously as a blog sports expert you tend to become condescending. That’s all I am saying…
This is why I don’t over post and drift in and out. Being involved every day on every little point can narrow your perspective and create group think.
Not always but it can.
Bottom line focus on the idea not the person. In other words don’t judge and or create artificial reverence or clout for one poster. It’s better for everyone.
No one is being paid here but DOB and if you don’
November 4th, 200910:51 am
Carlyle and Campillo have been released so we can have room on the 40 Man roster to protect players from the Rule 5 Draft.
It is possible to sign them to a minor league deal, but-to the best of my knowledge-they aren’t currently signed and are free agents.
November 4th, 200910:52 am
Random…you missed my point, and also excluded the fact I listed Medlen as a first option and also a midseason free agent/trade pickup as another option. I don’t like those guys either, but they are options and can eat up some innings in an emergency situation. And I stress “emergency situation.” If I remember, they fared pretty well in 2008 in a similar situation.
With all the days off, a 5th starter is really only needed 10-15 times a season. To get to the postseason (which is the goal, right?) a team does not need 5 good/great starters. They just need 4 of those (which is exactly what they will have if they trade 2 of the current guys) and someone to eat innings whenever a 5th guy is needed.
Having 5 good/great starters would be a nice commodity, but will backfire if the money invested in those 5 guys doesn’t allow Wren to improve the offense or the bullpen. Capiche?
November 4th, 200910:54 am
Don (November 4th, 2009 10:43 am): “Anyway, the major problem with the offense is not the need for an additional hitter but rather having a manager who knows how the manage the offense.”
I’m curious, “Don” — exactly what does “manag[ing] the offense” entail?
How would you do it differently than Cox? (Or if you don’t want to go out on that limb, exactly how does Cox mismanage the offense?)
November 4th, 200910:58 am
Very excited to hear about Havana. I was back in Atlanta this past summer and went to Havana’s and saw a shell of a restaurant. One of the last places I went to before moving away a year-and-a-half ago. Glad to know I can go on future trips back.
November 4th, 200910:59 am
Lew (November 4th, 2009 10:51 am): “Carlyle and Campillo have been released so we can have room on the 40 Man roster to protect players from the Rule 5 Draft.
“It is possible to sign them to a minor league deal, but-to the best of my knowledge-they aren’t currently signed and are free agents.”
But you cannot deny that they are “available”.
So the Braves can go ahead and trade Lowe and Hudson — they’re covered in “emergencies”, right?
November 4th, 200911:00 am
Trade for Mike Lowell for 1B
Isn’t that that old red sox guy who claims to be 36 but looks 56? And who was out with a back problem most of the season? I’m not sure of his last name but that can’t be him …. so who is Mike Lowell?
November 4th, 200911:01 am
1) I hope they don’t sign Wagner IF it costs them their #1 pick. Signing Glavine was a waste of a pick two years ago and, honestly, the Braves system just isn’t very deep right now. They need to restock and giving away their 1st round pick (again) for a 1 year stop-gap closer when they already have two viable options in the same situation (Soriano and/or MGonz) seems a waste.
2) I hope they do offer arb to LaRoche, MGonz, Soriano and even GAnderson. If we expect Anderson to sign with an AL club, collect the supp 1st pick (and, at worst, a platoong of Diaz with Anderson wouldn’t be the worst LF situation). Same with LaRoche – he may not be the best option at 1B (since he’s LH) but at that salary for 1 year, it wouldn’t be a major negative either. If he gets a 2+ year deal, collect the supp 1st pick. As for MGonz and Soriano, they didn’t suck as the closer combo in 2009 and MGonz, as a LH power set-up guy, could very well get a multi-year deal in the $4-5MM range/year – and give the Braves a supp 1st and another high pick.
That leaves Soriano. And while I know he might get close to $8-9MM in arb, do they honestly think Wagner can be signed for much less (if he accepts arb from Boston, he’s guaranteed no worse than $8MM due to max 20% paycut in arb). So you have a 38 y.o. coming off of surgery for $8-9MM + your 1st round pick or a 30 y.o. one year further removed from surgery for $8-9MM and no 1st round pick. Heck, the other FA closer option (Valverde) is also a Type A and will command a salary of close to $10MM. So unless the team trades for a closer, I’d simply rather have the guy who won’t cost our 1st round pick. And, with other teams needing closers, it might net another supp 1st and high round pick.
Again, I really hope the team focuses on restocking the system. Top end talent is there but depth seems lacking based on recent years. Getting up to 4 supp 1st picks and 2 other high picks (while keeping their 1st) would go a long way to helping that situation. They have 4 Tpe A/B free agents and none would be a bad deal at the price they could be expected to get in arbitration (IMO) and, therefore, to me, this is a good chance to try and collect on picks that the Braves have given away in years past for budget reasons.
Dave, I could be wrong, but I believe Billy Wagner has an agreement with Boston that they will not offer in (ARB). I believe that was a condition of him accepting the trade from the Mets last Summer.
November 4th, 200911:04 am
Don’s right about managing the offense. I remember overhearing Bobby (through the TV mics) saying these things at various times last season:
“Chip, we need a DP – McLouth has to pee!”
“Mac – I heard this guy’s a belly itcher. Take everything.”
“Rochy, keep it in the park. JJ needs some rest.”
“Whoa, whoa, whoa – a triple is real?”
November 4th, 200911:05 am
Lew, GA was a liability defensively, his range was so limited, that even Kelly with no extended experience on the outfield, would have done a better job. If you trade Kelly know, what would you get? Kelly was in a rumor last year that involve the Cards trading Ludwick in exchange for Kelly. That’s how much he was valued just a year ago. Non-tendering him is just too painful, when you know what he can do. He was making 2.8 million this year, it’s not a huge raise to 3.5 million.
I’m not saying that’s the answer to braves offensive problems. Not at all. The answer is trading Vazquez for an good hitter, and signing a 1B or OF. And they also need to sign a closer. What they do with Kelly is insignificant to what they need to do solve the team’s offensive woes.
November 4th, 200911:07 am
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November 4th, 200911:08 am
When you list the dumb moves and trades made by Wren, be sure to add the signing of Lowe. It was not a good choice at the time of the signing, as some of us pointed out, and it looks equally as bad now.
Of course, nothing can top the Drew and teixeira trades for sheer stupidity.
November 4th, 200911:09 am
I’ve got an idea… let’s trade Jair Jurrjens for Ryan Freel!
Random, I never said to trade Lowe and Hudson. Do you even read the entire posts or are just picking out comments to attack. The starting pitching is overstocked. The offense and bullpen (assuming Gonzo and Soriano walk) are lacking. It only makes sense to balance those areas out. Even you, in all your wisdome, cannot argue with that. Well, you probably can, but you shouldn’t, because I’m right.
November 4th, 200911:11 am
Tomas (November 4th, 2009 9:13 am): “How would you all feel if this happened?
CF Nate Mclouth
2B Martin Prado
3B Chipper Jones
1B Xavier Nady
RF Brad Hawpe
C Brian McCann
SS Yunel Escobar
LF Kelly Johnson/Matt Diaz”
A whole helluva lot smarter than the Braves’ GM.
November 4th, 200911:12 am
Chipper has already came out and said that if they trade vazquez that will upset a lot of people in the clubhouse. He is a winner. He should stay and they braves need to find a different way to get that big bat. Sign laroche and trade for the big bat with other means than vazquez. Team chemistry is a big reason we were still in it at the end
November 4th, 200911:14 am
tomas-Dude, it really is a dumb move and I just can’t see Kelly in LF as even being a vague option. Seriously.
November 4th, 200911:15 am
Jamal Crawford was a great addition for the Hawks. He’s instant scoring and takes a lot of pressure off Joe Johnson because teams use to focus on him. Now they have Bibby and Crawford as other scoring options and Crawford also seems to be creating a lot of scoring opportunities for his big men.
I really don’t get why anyone would want to stick KJ in the outfield. His numbers really are no more different than Church and this is someone who actually does play outfield positions pretty well. If you’re going to keep KJ to play out there you might as well keep Church over him because he actually plays all three positions.
November 4th, 200911:17 am
Great stat from ESPN via Buster’s blog today:
Chase Utley has nine career World Series hits, but only one single. The others: a double and seven homers in 10 games.
Random-Not in any world based on reality that I’m familiar with. Medlen as an option? Sure. MInor or someone else from the minors? Maybe. But Carlyle and Campillo? Onl,y if Wren completely loses all sanity.
Flat Bill Kid
It seems kind of scary to me that before last season started everyone picked the Cubs, who got rid of Marquis and Hill, as well as DeRosa. Then the Cubs tanked.
Now here we are possibly losing LaRoche, and possibly trading Javy V. Dont underestimate what a great job Javy did for the team last year with his presence and mentorship as well as his K’s.
November 4th, 200911:19 am
dpelfrey (November 4th, 2009 11:09 am): “I never said to trade Lowe and Hudson.
No, you didn’t. All you said was “The Braves have some internal options for a 4th or 5th starter, even if they trade 2 of their current starters”, without specifying which ones. I mentioned Lowe and Hudson just as likely f’rinstances. Who did you have in mind — Jurrjens and Hanson?
“Do you even read the entire posts [Yes, I do] or are you just picking out comments to attack.”
And yes, I am picking out comments — to attack, to ridicule, whatever.
(I have to — not everything you say is stupid.)
18 Wheels of Love
November 4th, 200911:21 am
Derek Lowe for Mike Lowell
Take Lowell’s 1 year at 12m and put him at 1B. That frees up 3m for 2010 and gets Lowe’s 45m off the books. If Freeman pans out then he won’t be blocked.
Sign Vaz to extension.
Sign Holliday or Bay.
Matt Diaz can keep RF warm until June for Heyward.
Holliday or Bay
Diaz (Heyward eventually)
November 4th, 200911:22 am
KC: ummm how about NO!!
“I think the offense will be much improved, performing like they did the second half of this season, even without adding a big bat.”
Wasn’t that the assumption last off-season? Something like “Oh, the offense was better after Tex left, so it should carry over to next season.” That didn’t work out too well…
Adam Laroche was a big reason why the offense was so good in the second half and most likely, he’s gone next season and Wren’s going to end up signing some scrub (as usual) to play there until Scott Thor- I mean Freddie Freeman is deemed ready.
This team is screwed if they’re going to have to go into next season praying that Jason Heyward is going to be the power bat they need.
Lew (November 4th, 2009v 11:17 am): “Not in any world based on reality that I’m familiar with.”
It’s dpelfrey’s world — we just pick out comments to attack or ridicule.
November 4th, 200911:23 am
Dan Shargas: That’s not correct about Wagner. Before he was traded, he wanted Boston to agree not to offer arb. They wouldn’t agree to that, and Wagner backed down from demand when Boston agreed not to pick up his $10 mill option.
Good column by Tom Boswell in the Washington Post today on starting pitcher’s on three days’ rest. My favorite part:
“Since 1999, pitchers starting a postseason games on three days’ rest against pitchers on full rest have a combined 12-36 record.
That’s not bad; it’s abysmal. Yet stark as this statistic is, its message may be even more blunt. Most of those 48 pitchers who started on three days’ rest were star hurlers or close to it. Nobody warps a postseason rotation so a donkey can start on short rest. You only do it for the studs. “
November 4th, 200911:24 am
Sorry, that was me, not cabravesfan – she should stop using her own computer…
November 4th, 200911:25 am
Flat Bill Kid – I get your point. But Hill was terrible, DeRosa wasn’t great and Marquis was only good for half the season. I’m guessing the impact would be more similar to losing Garrett, JoJo and Lowe than to losing Javy and LaRoche.
November 4th, 200911:29 am
don (November 4th, 2009 11:08 am): “When you list the dumb moves and trades made by Wren, be sure to add the signing of Lowe.”
It ain’t a list if there’s only one item, moron.
And that one is debatable — with three years left on his contract, it’s simply too soon to say whether Lowe’s was a dumb signing.
November 4th, 200911:33 am
Yeah the Texixera trade anybody remember we gave em Elvis Andrus he was on sportscenters top ten every night remember!?
Hey Jim, how’s Venice?
November 4th, 200911:35 am
Nice DOB. About a year ago I got to see Meat Puppets perform live in Long Beach at Alex’s Bar. That was a fun show. The man can play a mean accoustic guitar. But mainly I learned I didn’t know but five of the bands songs. I thoroughly enjoyed those five songs though. The highlight, to me any way, was see Shakey Hands play. Those guys put on a great show. I recommend seeing them if you get the chance. But alas, I no longer reside on the West Coast. I’m actually right in the heart of Tarheal/Blue Devil/Wolfpack territory, not far from your home town. But it was a needed change with Cali crumbling into the sea fiscally.
November 4th, 200911:36 am
18 Wheels-You’re not at all concerned that Lowe has played in only 113 games each of the past two years? Dude, that’s missing 50 games a season. NO way that works out well for us-not even as a salary dump-which, given the high nature of Lowe’s contract and the need for a good back up, makes him no cheaper than Lowe. It would make more sense to move Lowe to first and we know THAT ain’t happening.
November 4th, 200911:37 am
ozzieI was not thrilled with .400-500 baseball season that was only preventted by a 15-2 run in September.
about that…what about the fact that between june 30 (the game after the last interleague game) and the end of september this team went 51-32? thats a very good record over that time. simplifying this team down to a 15-2 run in september is not telling the whole story. this braves team was very good starting around the middle of the season. one of the best in the NL.
November 4th, 200911:38 am
N8, if you don’t mind being a ‘rebel’ (DOB’s quote) check out http://www.ninjavideo.net
November 4th, 200911:46 am
If the Yanks do lose this series, I hope people don’t destroy Girardi. He’s been bad throughout the playoffs, but honestly, what the heck was he suppose to do with the 3 days rest thing? Start Chad Gaudin……against the Phillies?!?! He would of gotten murdered. Gaudin can’t get lefties out. It’s more Cashman’s fault that they didn’t go after a reliable 4th starter around the deadline. The “3 days rest” thing is overblown, to me. It was more of a “you never know what you’re going to get from Burnett” thing. Great one start, awful the next. That’s always been Burnett. If they started Gaudin and Burnett and skipped Pettitte, then people would of slammed Girardi for skipping one of the greatest post season pitchers of all time. No win situation there, imo.
November 4th, 200911:47 am
If I see “Braves deal Vazquez” as a headline somewhere I’ll be very, very disappointed at my team. I just don’t completely buy in to that line that he’s their best trading chip, etc. To a point, I guess he would be, but it would be foolish to think they can’t come up with a package not involving Javy to get a hitter. If Hudson was the old Hudson, if Lowe was the old Lowe then dealing Vaz wouldn’t hurt as bad, but I just don’t see those two as aces like him.
November 4th, 200911:49 am
The Yankees need 1 more reliable starter, and they’r invincible. Would they consider a D. Lowe and a prospect for Nick Swisher swap?
November 4th, 200911:50 am
Maybe I’m clueless (wouldn’t be the first time) but I cannot see the real concern with offering Soriano arbitration. So what if he accepts, then wins? It’s an option you have in spring training, and if a cheaper alternative emerges, then trade him. I feel there’s quite a market for talents llike him. But I cannot abide another season where the Braves settle for a Kolb-like closer — and that’s what Matt Capps is.
November 4th, 200911:51 am
DPelphrey: Oh, and Braves fans gringe as Francoeur returns to his pre-2008 form, hitting near .300 with 40+ doubles, 25+ homers, 100+ RBI.
…and a .310 OBP and a .383 SLG and an OPS+ of 73 in 721 plate appearances.
November 4th, 200911:56 am
I think Nick Swisher was born with that fat dip tucked under his lip, don’t you?
November 4th, 200911:57 am
Lew, you make a decent point but he still produces in the games he plays (kinda like having a Chipper on 3rd and 1st!). He’s only 2 years removed from 120 rbi season.
November 4th, 200911:58 am
RHR – excellent so far! Still trying to recover from too much carrying heavy stuff and too little sleep Thur-Sat, but everything else is good…
November 4th, 200911:59 am
The blog becomes less enjoyable with every post of PWHjort. PWH mocks a poster who does not know who Julio Teheran is. Is it somehow an unforgivable sin to not know the name of some 18 year old without 100 innings in the minor leagues?
95% of the Braves fan base has not a clue who Julio Teheran is. It does not make them any less of a fan. It just means they have a life, free of trolling all day on a message board, too busy competing and rising up in the real world to bother pathetically competing to rise up and attain meaningless authoritative status on someone else’s blog.
It must be nice to be a college kid with nothing to do all day and all night. No classes to attend, no books to study, no job to work, no bars to hang out in, no friends to hang with, no woman to get down with. Nothing to do but act like a shut-in plagiarizing stats and scouting reports all day and all night attempting to pass them on as your own original analytical thought.
Here’s some advice, kiddo: Do not authoritatively declare Hicks is a well above average major league defensive shortstop as you did earlier when you have never seen the kid play. You can say from what I hear (and credit the source when you do so), it sounds like this is true of this guy. You can say from what the scouts are telling Mr. O’Brien or what the scouts are saying in other publications, it sounds like this may be true of the defensive ability of Hicks.
But you never do that. Instead, you mock someone and authoritatively state Hicks is this defensively as if you have not a doubt in your mind about it. The truth is that if you were standing on second base and Hicks walked right past you to assume his position at short, and fielded 100 ground balls, you would not have a clue it was Hicks, and you would not have a clue how good or bad he did in those fielding drills.
November 4th, 200912:00 pm
Maybe I’m clueless (wouldn’t be the first time) but I cannot see the real concern with offering Soriano arbitration.
Soriano made 6.1 million. Through arbitration, he may get around 9 million. Add to it Gonzo who made 3.4 million, and through arbitration he might make 5-6 million. That’s quite a bit of money to spend on the pen. Plus, we need a left fielder and first baseman still. I think offering Gonzalez arbitration should be a slam dunk. I think he’ll be able to find a multi year deal for around 4-5 million(at least) on the open market. I don’t think he would accept a one year deal. Soriano, though. That’s a big risk. You’d have little leverage in trade talks with teams if he did accept and you tried to deal him.
November 4th, 200912:03 pm
Tomas, D-Lowe AND a prospect for Swisher???? REALLY?!?!!
November 4th, 200912:04 pm
tedLaRoche – he may not be the best option at 1B (since he’s LH)
lefties are ideal 1st baseman. what are you talking about? please dont say we need a righthanded bat at that position because we dont.
November 4th, 200912:06 pm
O.J., who gets ripped off on that trade?
November 4th, 200912:08 pm
I have apparently mastered the art of blogging with my mind from the freeway…cool
November 4th, 200912:10 pm
Where is crazy trades when you need him
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