2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 9th, 20095:38 pm
TnBrian — My thoughts exactly! Overwhelm them with pitching.
November 9th, 20095:41 pm
You do realize a player can get a blown save when they aren’t in line for a save, right? (Marshmellow guy)
gee, thanx for the education dude, I really appreciate it.
it’s still not getting the job done dude, which is all that counts in actual game situations.
November 9th, 20095:42 pm
Steve, I agree with you. The question is whether Vazquez would accept an offer similar to Huddy’s. I stacked my scenario deliberately in Huddy’s favor, and conveniently left out Javy’s workhouse history and Huddy’s recovery from TJ. And it is true Huddy took less than market value to stay close to home, which shouldn’t be held against Javy.
November 9th, 20095:43 pm
Right now is a prime opportunity to “sell high” on Vasquez. He may have another great season (I think it si kind of unlikely and he will return to slightly above avg. MLB pitcher), but the Braves don’t need 6 (7 including Medlen) starting pitchers, not with other areas to address.
I feel somewhat for him personally because he genuinely seems like he wants to stay, but I don’t see how it works out.
Maybe the Braves can sucker soemone into taking Lowe.
November 9th, 20095:44 pm
That’s workHORSE, not house. Criminy.
Steve0 — Yes, if Vazquez is extended I would also expect it to be close to what Hudson gets although maybe a little more considering Hudson just had surgery and Javy has been healthy year in, year out as far as I know. So maybe Javy gets 1M more per year than Hudson. I’d sign him up in a heartbeat. ‘Course it’s not my money…
November 9th, 20095:46 pm
So a 90% success rate for his career is not getting the job done? News to me.
November 9th, 20095:47 pm
Still too many people hung up on stolen base totals, and success rates, how much Bobby runs, how much he doesn’t, etc….
When the real root of the problem is simply a lack of overall team speed which shows up in assisting victory more than stolen bases will.
I’m talking about guys going 1st to 3rd on a routine basehit to RCF. I’m talking about scoring from 1st on a gapper. I’m talking about beating out infield grounders in the hole. Or beating out a grounder when an infielder double pumps his throw. Or beating out the throw to 1B on a potential double play to keep an inning alive. I’m talking about outfielders cutting off balls that are headed to the gap. Or chasing down a fly ball on the warning track.
So many ways speed can help a team overall. Stolen bases are just one small part of the element of speed. Kind of like looking at HR totals instead of OPS to determine if a hitter has power and is a productive hitter.
But the underlying theme is that other than McLouth, this team doesn’t have much speed at all. Escobar is maybe slightly above average on the basebaths, and some have suggested that Diaz is a “quick” baserunner (gotta love his hustle). But McCann is slow. Chipper is slow. LaRoche is slow. Prado, while better at the dish than KJ is not as quick. Loaf? Too funny. Church? Maybe quicker than one would think, but nobody is going to consuse him with Deion Sanders on the basepaths anytime soon.
Heyward, McLouth and Schafer bring an element of speed that has been missing for years on this team.
An outfield with McLouth in LF, Schafer in CF and Heyward in RF, just might be one of the greatest defensive outfields in Atlanta since late in 96 when Andruw was in LF, Grissom was in CF and Dye and his young legs and canon was in RF.
That trio defensively (and on the basebaths) would not only save runs, they’d score them. Provided Schafer gets on base. LOL
or the Vazquez from seasons past
even the Javy from seasons past is worth that money. His ERA+ is always average and usually better.
November 9th, 20095:48 pm
agreed on vaz…been suggesting an extension for him a while…3/27-30mm as it secures his future and keeps him close to home and in a clubhouse he likes.
November 9th, 20095:50 pm
far too many underestimate the impact of schafer’s injury. overnight he went from turning on ML fastballs to missing them badly and striking out.
that’s not a fluke.
November 9th, 20095:53 pm
It wasn’t getting the job done last year
November 9th, 20095:55 pm
Neight But McCann is slow.
Ha! He has an 80% SB rate in his career, 2 triples…Tsk! Slow my foot…
Steve from OH
November 9th, 20095:57 pm
rammerjammer–I think he’ll take it. He’s already stated that he likes it here and wants to stay. I don’t see the two sides having any trouble agreeing on a deal.
November 9th, 20096:00 pm
Good thing GM’s dont only look at a players previous season like fans do. And I still don’t see how a guy with a 2.42 era and over 10 K/9 wasn’t getting the job done. But that’s just me.
I agree and have said many times that team speed is a good thing as long as you aren’t giving up other assets just to get it. If we can get an M-S-H outfield it will help a lot. Also they were kinda conservative sending guys home sometimes
November 9th, 20096:01 pm
WOW! Will you guys get off a guy who had a 2nd half of the season leg injury and apparently is also having eye issues…
I swear! Most of you still kiss Chipper’s *ss like its still 1999 yet no one gives Escobar, Prado, or McLouth any respect whatsoever!
Also let me see…Escobar is already better than Blauser ever was, yet I occasionally still hear his name…
Kelly Johnson is God to some people and he never put together even 2/3 of a good year…
And Schafer apparently is already better than McLouth even though clearly the average baseball fan saw he wasn’t in 09.
But yeah, its cool…just keep knocking the players that are the core of the franchise…
While you’re at it, why don’t you call BMac fat and slow and say he can’t catch and say that JJ is a mediocre pitcher. (Ugh!)
November 9th, 20096:03 pm
I am sure this might have been suggested here before, but I have never seen it. BUT, why not sign Mike Cameron to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract. He can play left field and when Heyward is ready, he can step into right field. Sign LaRoche to a 2 year deal and re-sign Gonzalez and sign BIlly Wagner to close. Bring up Kimbrel late in the year as bullpen relief.
November 9th, 20096:04 pm
But that’s just me.
obsess why dontcha?
you’re welcome to you opinion as I am to mine.
rtrafford: then, if ATL sign vasquez to a 3 year extension, who do they get to take on Lowe or Kawakami, and realistically only Lowe would bring a lot in return???
November 9th, 20096:06 pm
P-Town: re: BMAC, you are correct, but I give him props for his bat. Eventually at 1B or DH.
P-Town While you’re at it, why don’t you call BMac fat and slow and say he can’t catch and say that JJ is a mediocre pitcher.
Please! It’s been at least a month since anyone scraped that crud off the bottom of a shoe. Don’t give them any ideas…
November 9th, 20096:07 pm
Hey,Mac can catch, he was ranked 17 by fielding bible. bout average out of 30 or so seems to me
November 9th, 20096:08 pm
about ’bout average?
November 9th, 20096:10 pm
Yeah…guess he was “only” number 17 ’cause of that base-running thing…and maybe a couple more guys scored than should have, but there were some up-the-line throws from the OF, too!
November 9th, 20096:11 pm
BMac is a bad catcher who hits well. We’ll gladly take him for a few more seasons behind the plate until he gets real bad.
LEAVE MCCANN ALONE! LEAVE HIM ALONE! (crys hysterically)
November 9th, 20096:12 pm
nolie about ’bout average?
Uh…do you mean “How ’bout average”?
Being average is…um…average. Always room for improvement, of course, but I still say he’s not as bad as many people pretend he is.
17 out of 30 is about average, which is what he is. considering his bat and his leadership there’s nothing wrong with being an average defender
November 9th, 20096:15 pm
BMac is a bad catcher…We’ll gladly take him for a few more seasons behind the plate until he gets real bad.
Ah-ha! Haha! Aaahhh…that’s not even worth a response! Oh my…
Wait. I just gave it one. Hmm…Well, glad they have your approval to keep him behind the plate for a few more years. Golly-bob-howdy! He is not a bad catcher. He isn’t a GREAT defensive catcher by any means, but he is NOT a bad catcher.
Uh…do you mean “How ’bout average”? (McF)
no I was asking if your “oh Lord” comment was about my “’bout average” comment.
November 9th, 20096:17 pm
nolie considering his bat and his leadership there’s nothing wrong with being an average defender
I’ll drink (root beer) to that!
And no, my “Oh lord” was directed at that poor misguided soul who posted at 6:06 (before me).
November 9th, 20096:19 pm
Looks like somebody woke up McFann
November 9th, 20096:23 pm
I’ve been saying it that the only way the Braves should even consider trading Vazquez is if he does not sign an extension this off-season.
November 9th, 20096:26 pm
Good news to me they are exploring an extension with Javy (as I’m sure also for many others here). I know he’s the best trade chip, but with the shortage of good free agent pitchers, there has to be some market for Lowe or KK. And if they can’t extend Javy’s contract, then yes, they should trade him while his value his high and maximize that for the bat we need. It’s a good thing to hear either way.
is high – sorry
November 9th, 20096:29 pm
Ya might say they set off my alarm.
November 9th, 20096:31 pm
I like BMac, but thought I was stating the obvious. He does nothing remotely well behind the plate. Avg or well below avg in every aspect. Factor in his offense and we’ve got one of the better ones.
November 9th, 20096:32 pm
cabravesfan,I think McFann wakes up like a bear in the woods-Juuust a little cranky.
November 9th, 20096:35 pm
I think what it is, is that Wren and Co maybe exploring to see what it would take to extend Javy and if the extension is compromised at a fair level, I think Wren would then sign him to the extension and trade Lowe or KK (more likely Lowe) knowing that there is some kind of market for Lowe as he probably wouldn’t be exploring the extension if there wasn’t a market for them (Lowe in particular).
If the extension terms isn’t reached or isn’t compromised evenly, then and only then I think Javy would be traded.
However, seeing as Javy said he would love to stay, I think that an extension could be worked out.
November 9th, 20096:38 pm
Y’all give me all sorts of crap about saying the Phillies and Mets have issues, but just because the Braves haven’t been able to exploit those issues the past couple years doesn’t mean they don’t exist or that I’m wrong.
The Mets only won that one Division Title and the reason they didn’t win more is all the injuries and wrong personnel moves I claimed they’d have and make (it wasn’t all that hard to predict, when you’re dealing with Moises Alou and Carlos Del Gado)..
Last year, the Phillies came out of the box slow and Rollins, in particular stunk it up the first half (the year before it was Howard stinking up the first half). The Braves, however, played terribly until the end of June (in 09 they collapsed completely). Had they actually played with consistency and at the level they displayed after June 28, the story might well have been different. Even had we not quite caught them for the division, we would have won the WC with a better first half and I think, with our pitching, that it would not have been the Phillies playing the series (might not have been us either, but we could have beat them).
So yeah, the Phillies will have a strong team again in 2010 and maybe they will win the Division again or maybe it goes down to the wire if we improve sufficiently. But whatever happens, the Phillies are NOT the 1927 Yankees, even if sometimes they DO look like Murderer’s Row. They have issues and if they all come home to roost (and the Braves know how THAT can be) or even if most of them do, they will be just as vulnerable as anyone else.
November 9th, 20096:39 pm
Excuse me-in 08 they collapsed.
November 9th, 20096:40 pm
And I know I’m late commenting on this but there is no way I couldn’t – I really think Gibby is an excellent candidate to be a manager, and a Braves manager, particularly. I think he has mellowed a lot, yet still has the fire to motivate and change the “culture” in a way maybe it needs to be changed here. And that’s not slamming Bobby, at all. I think they can win the WS in 2010 with Bobby. But I don’t think whoever follows him should be just some sort of attempt at a “Bobby clone” or a “Bobby Lite” – there needs to be a clear change, in keeping with the young players who are going to be deciding this team’s future in the years to come.
November 9th, 20096:41 pm
You’re right Lew. On point actually. I agree with everything you said because it does make sense and does have truths to it.
I like that they are exploring an extension with Javy. I would think 3/30 would be fair if he is willing to give a bit of a discoun, since he is coming off a healthy successful season and Huddy wasn’t.
As much of a Javy advocate as I have been since day one, I agree with many that he likely won’t have as good a year next year, but he is capable of another 200 IP with a 110-125 ERA+.
He is probably the best bargaining chip, but he is also limited on where he might be dealt. If Wren gets a deal that is equal to his value he should explore it, I just don’t think that most of them that have been suggested here are enough, or realistic.
Like others, I’m gonna assume that if Wren does re-sign him that there is an adequate market out there for Lowe.Lowe could bounce back next year and be great, but when making plans you do usually have to put a bit more emphasis on recent history in order to make decisions. I’m not saying that career numbers should be ignored by any means, you just need to balance the two and also pay attention to what your scouts have to say. Ha, imagine me saying that
I do think we should realize that Wren is a businessman. He will look at all aspects of how he can make the Braves better with the least amount of money. Vazquez wants to stay here,it would behoove him to sign an extension at a rate that would make Wren know it is best to keep him. Nothing more,nothing less. Wren will not have a heart when it comes to business.
November 9th, 20096:42 pm
AdirondackDave – and yes, Gibby was a MSU wide receiver And there were times back when he played baseball he still looked like one But he has mellowed a lot since then, as shown by the Free Press article DOB cited.
Rob (from SC) no more arm brace
Freeman has 15K’s in 45 at bats. LaRoche must be re-signed
November 9th, 20096:50 pm
Guess I’m not a morning person.
B’s B I like BMac…Factor in his offense and we’ve got one of the better ones.
Little more snow in here, we could ski. But really, those are my favorite: “I like BMac, but I’m gonna go ahead and trash his catching.” OK, I mean, I like cauliflower, but it tastes nasty.
Seriously, you cannot say that he does nothing remotely well behind the plate. That’s a lie. I’m sorry, but it is. You ask any of our pitchers, they’ll tell you–he calls a very good game. He has great knowledge of opposing hitters. He gives the pitcher a good target. He cann pounce on those little tappers/bunts in front of the plate like nobody’s business. His footwork improved this year, I thought. And check this action out.
November 9th, 20096:53 pm
For those keeping score at home, here’s today’s free-agent filings, courtesy of the players association:
Today is the fifth day of the 15-day period in which eligible players may give notice of their
election of free agency. To date, 151 players have filed for free agency.
PLAYER TEAM POSITION
Gonzalez, Alex BO SS
Gregg, Kevin CC RP
Beimel, Joe CO RP
Contreras, Jose CO SP
Fogg, Josh CO SP/RP
Herges, Matt CO RP
Dotel, Octavio E. CWS RP
Lyon, Brandon DE RP
Brocail, Doug HO RP
Valverde, Jose HO RP
Crisp, Coco KC OF
Castro, Juan G. LAD 2B/SS
Loretta, Mark D. LAD 1B/2B/3B
Ohman, Will LAD RP
Counsell, Craig J. MI 2B/3B/SS
Weathers, Dave MI RP
Cabrera, Orlando L. MN SS
November 9th, 20096:54 pm
I think they are gonna be wary of re-signing Adam given his career long slow starts. I think he will want more money/time than they are gonna be willing to spend.
I’m not saying that is the correct decision, but I think it is the most likely one.
You can’t blame Rochie, he is coming off a strong year into free agency and at an age when it will behoove hime to sign that life long financial securing contract. I will be surprised if he is willing to take much less that 3/25, and kinda surprised ig the Braves go that high.
I do think he is the best option that immediately comes to mind, but Wren could easily surprise us with a trade.
It seems like a longshot to me though that the Braves will be able to keep first about the same and upgrade an outfield position to any great degree and upgrade the pen. Pretty big order.
Good luck, Frank. I have faith that he will give it a good try.
November 9th, 20097:01 pm
PS–Forgive me if it’s been said…anywhere–when do they start with the “real” awards, like ROY, MVP, Silver Sluggers, and the like?
Thanks in advance!
November 9th, 20097:04 pm
I like Vazquez at 3 years, $27-30 mil, but before Wren signs him to an extension, there must be a deal for Lowe, because I dont think KK gets us much in trade value.
Also, I know that we’re looking for a LF, but to piggy back on what O.J mentioned earlier, if the right CF is available, would the Braves consider moving Nate to LF and signing a CF?
If the Braves are willing/able to move Nate (or whichever CF is available), then that would give them more options when looking for their outfielder.
LaRoche or some other option needs to be signed for the next 2-3 years atleast.
November 9th, 20097:09 pm
if the right CF is available, would the Braves consider moving Nate to LF and signing a CF? (O’B)
if the right deal came along I think they would be open to moving Louth to LF. He would be a better LFer than he is CFer anyway in the opinion of many.
November 9th, 20097:15 pm
Many years it seems to me that there arenot very far from a big improvement in the team (Ibanez last year for instance, but are unwilling to spend the extra bucks that would give them better odds. The frustrating thing to me is that it usually isn’t all that much money.Sure must be nice to have that 110_mil to spend. I often feel that it wouldn’t much more to make them a better team than many of those that do spend that extra money.Could just be my version of ‘homerism’ I guess.
P. W. Hjort
November 9th, 20097:16 pm
Unbelievable. Really, unbelievable.
I’ve said it before, completely believable. Delta not losing your bags is infinitely more unbelievable.
November 9th, 20097:19 pm
“I’ve said it before, completely believable. Delta not losing your bags is infinitely more unbelievable.”
Absolutely. Once I went to France for two weeks and Delta never got my luggage to me. It made its way to Paris but the could not figure out where they stored it in Paris and so could not deliver it to me. It eventually made its way back to me after I got home.
November 9th, 20097:26 pm
McFann – “He gives the pitcher a good target.”
I retract – that’s an aspect I should have conceded. At times he’s the best target giver in the game.
Being serious, we both value him highly I think. Maybe I value his “O” more than you?
November 9th, 20097:28 pm
Holliday Brutal Defender
2o Execs respond-
Responses: Holliday 11, Bay 9. The two left fielders are the marquee names on the winter’s free-agent market. Holliday, 29, is a three-time All-Star and finished second to Phillies shortstop Jimmy Rollins in the 2007 National League MVP balloting. Bay, 31, is a three-time All-Star with four 100-RBI seasons on his résumé. Holliday has a career .933 OPS to Bay’s .896.
Among survey respondents, Holliday won points for being younger, more athletic, a better baserunner and a superior fielder, notwithstanding his crucial and often-replayed error against the Dodgers in the National League Division Series.
“The eyes say that they are both below-average defenders, but the advanced analysis says that Holliday is better,” said a National League baseball operations man.
Indeed, the Fielding Bible’s plus-minus system ranked Holliday as the third-best left fielder in the game this season with a plus-19 ranking. Bay ranked 23rd defensively among left fielders under the same system.
Several executives categorize Holliday as a very good player but not quite open-the-vault-worthy in the manner of some other Scott Boras poster boys. Holliday’s late surge in St. Louis helped mask a disappointing stint in Oakland, which brought to mind his lopsided Coors Field splits in Colorado. And some people aren’t sold on Holliday’s glove no matter what the Fielding Bible says.
“He’s a brutal defender, and he doesn’t hit the good fastball, especially inside,” an American League GM said. For what it’s worth, two general managers added it might be a tad less stressful dealing with Bay’s agent, Joe Urbon, than negotiating with Boras on a big-ticket deal.
Bay averages 144 strikeouts a year, and he’s prone to streakiness. He disappeared in July, hitting .192 with a .295 slugging percentage for the month. But Bay also has won a lot of admirers by producing in a demanding market in Boston. “That might be the separator for me,” an American League assistant said.
November 9th, 20097:32 pm
20 Execs on Lackey where and how much
Responses: Yankees 8, Mets 4, Angels 3. The Dodgers, Astros, Orioles and Brewers received one vote each, and one executive said he has “no idea.” Estimates on Lackey’s deal ranged from a low of three years, $36 million to highs of five years, $95 million and six years, $100 million.
November 9th, 20097:35 pm
20 Execs on most likely traded this winter
Responses: Gonzalez 9, Halladay 8, Hernandez 0. One executive declined to respond. Another doesn’t expect any of the three to be moved, and a third predicts that one of Atlanta’s starting pitchers — Derek Lowe or Javier Vazquez — will be dealt before any of these three.
I didnt think the Yanks would be willing to whip out the checking book again this offseason, but with the rotation behind CC and AJ in question, why not get Lackey?
Anyone see the possible 3 way deal for Bradley Castillo, and Overbay?
Gotta love mlbtraderumors
November 9th, 20097:38 pm
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November 9th, 20097:39 pm
20 Execs on hardest to trade-Bradley or Wells
Responses: Wells 20, Bradley 0.
After signing a three-year, $30 million contract with the Cubs, Bradley posted a lower slugging percentage (.397) than Marco Scutaro and Ryan Sweeney. He alienated his teammates, manager and an entire fan base to the point that the Cubs couldn’t wait to send him home in September. He has a lengthy inventory of antisocial outbursts in his past, he’s played for seven teams since 2001 and he’s owed $21 million during the next two seasons.
And still, this one wasn’t close.
Wells is a nice guy, model citizen and one-man charity machine, but the double whammy of his contract and middling production since 2006 make him virtually impossible to trade, in the estimation of the executives surveyed.
Wells will make $12.5 million in 2010, at which point the big-money portion of his deal will kick in. He’ll make $23 million in 2011 and $21 million in each of the next three seasons. Wells hit 15 homers with a .711 OPS in 158 games this past year and is about to undergo surgery on his left wrist.
“That may be the worst contract in baseball history,” a National League official said. “Worse than Barry Zito.”
An American League assistant GM was only slightly less depressing in his analysis. “I believe that Vernon Wells’ contract makes him the most difficult player to trade in the entire major leagues,” the assistant said.
Although Bradley obviously has made Chicago GM Jim Hendry’s life more complicated, the consensus is that he’s movable if the Cubs: (a) eat most of his salary; or (b) take on somebody else’s overpaid headache in return. The Jays don’t have that luxury with Wells.
“You always see baggage guys moving team to team,” an NL official said. “You can’t trade a player with $98 million left on a contract unless that team takes back close to that amount in a bad-money deal. That’s a lot of bad money to expect Vernon Wells to get moved. Throw in his wrist surgery, and he’s not going anywhere.”
November 9th, 20097:43 pm
“there must be a deal for Lowe, because I dont think KK gets us much in trade value”
I just don’t see that. Kawakami has about $15 million left on his deal and is 34 years old. Lowe has $45 million left and is 36. I always liked the idea of our signing Lowe more than AJ Burnett and said as much. In the end, he wound up having a 4.67 ERA while Kawakami was at 3.86. After the first month when he had a better idea of the American strike zone, KK’s ERA was 3.34 with a respectable WHIP of 1.30.
Kawakami’s performance got lost in the shuffle quite a bit due to the constant excellence of our starting rotation save for Lowe. If you look at his monthly ERAs after April, however, he was consistently solid. His ERAs were 3.03 in May, 3.33 in June, 4.73 in July (he had bad starts against Washington and Florida that month), 2.87 in August and 3.38 as a reliever in September.
Lowe was pretty much the opposite. He had ERAs of 3.10 in April and 3.76 in May. The wheels came off after that save for July when he had a good month of 3.38. He was at 6.54 in June, 5.08 in August and 5.61 in September with one dreadful October start where he gave up 6 runs (5 earned) in 4 2/3 against the Natinals.
If Lowe does have more trade value, we’re lucky in that it’s based on reputation rather than recent performance. KK was the better pitcher in 2009. The Braves are in good shape if we can keep the cheaper starter in KK while getting more in trade from Lowe.
November 9th, 20097:45 pm
B’s B I retract – that’s an aspect I should have conceded. At times he’s the best target giver in the game.
Maybe I value his “O” more than you?
I value his O. I think he is the best offensive catcher out there. He combines AVG and power–he’s not just a singles hitter. He’s driven in 87+ runs in each of his four full seasons. This year he K’d more times than I would have liked, but I’ll let that slide a little, given his vision troubles.
I value his D more than you do; that much is obvious. I love how you ignored the rest of my points and chose only to poke at my example of being a good target. I good target is important to pitchers. Did you watch Josh Thole of the Mets this past September? IIRC, it was he who didn’t set up the target until the pitcher was about to let go of the ball. BMac sets up in plenty of time to give the pitcher a good target. I remember our announcers talking about that.
McFanny Bmac [stinks]!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then change your name.
November 9th, 20097:49 pm
I just don’t see that. Kawakami has about $15 million left on his deal and is 34 years old. Lowe has $45 million left and is 36. I always liked the idea of our signing Lowe more than AJ Burnett and said as much but in the end, he wound up having a 4.67 ERA while Kawakami was at 3.86. After the first month when he had a better idea of the American strike zone, KK’s ERA was 3.34 with a respectable WHIP of 1.30. Lowe fell off the table.
November 9th, 20097:50 pm
McFann…. McCann’s success rate is probably due to opposing catchers choking on their own spit when out of the corner of their eye they see what looks like cold honey moving from first to second on a SB attempt.
Kind of like a nightmare when you can’t yell, or can’t get somebody’s attention…. catchers just “freeze” in the moment and if they do get the throw off it’s usually a poor one. Kind of like Shaq being left alone for the game winning 3-pointer when he’s the only one on that end of the court…….BRICK!
(sorry – couldn’t resist – you know I like Mac, but dude makes John Kruk look fast)
Sorry boss but when I found out we were going to Chicago instead of Dana Point I decided I would rather stay here. I’m sure you understand.
November 9th, 20097:52 pm
Just seeing if i could raise your bp. Actually Bmac is my 2nd favorite behind Hanson/Prado(tie).
November 9th, 20097:54 pm
Here we go for the last time
Lowe to the Angels for Jose Arredondo and Freddy Sandoval.
KJ and Acosta for Coner Jackson.
Sign Matt Holliday – 6 yr/ 96 mil contract.
Re-sign Mike Gonzalez – 3 yr/18 mil contract.
Extend Tim Hudson – 3 yr/ 27 mil contract, Javier Vazquez – 4 yr/36 mil contract.
November 9th, 20097:57 pm
Here we go for the last time (Jay)
November 9th, 20097:59 pm
We for serious here?
November 9th, 20098:01 pm
BMac – I’ll respond to your other comments:
1.) Tell me an instance where a pitcher bad mouthed a catcher’s calls. You can’t. The catcher merely suggests a pitch in most instances. Pitcher makes ultimate decision.
2.) Knowledge of opposing hitters. OK. Add to that his cleats are always on the correct feet. Come on dude.
3.) Gets out of the box well on little tappers/bunts. I’ll disagree somewhat and this touches on your last point too. Yes, his footwork is better (nowhere near good), but it was incredibly bad and now is not nearly as glaring. Hopefully will get better.
Bad feet. Bad arm. Bad at receiving balls from the OF. Real good “O” catcher at a position where offense is generally regarded as a bonus. I like McCann. Not saying he is a defensive Piazza. He’s just not good defensively.
Inept and Inepter
November 9th, 20098:02 pm
From ESPN’s Jerry Crasnik,
“Despite Holliday being younger, better defensively and having a better career OPS, Bay’s success in the pressure cooker of Boston swayed a large number of executives.”
Holliday being better defensively than Bay is like saying a turtle is faster than a snail!
November 9th, 20098:05 pm
November 9th, 20098:07 pm
I’d rather have Bay because of what was mentioned from that ESPN thing. Being able to handle the pressure in Boston on the big stage kinda thing opposed to Holliday who stunk it up in the playoffs. Not to mention his agent. Not a huge fan of Holliday to begin with. Neither one is a Brave anytime soon, so it’s way off the subject of our team anyways, but that’s my opinion on those two.
November 9th, 20098:08 pm
I’m dubious that it will be the last time you mention it. J/K dude
November 9th, 20098:09 pm
In defense of Bay’s defense, he is positioned by the Green Monster. That has to hurt one’s numbers, it would seem.
November 9th, 20098:10 pm
never mind lol
November 9th, 20098:12 pm
Neither one is a Brave anytime soon, so it’s way off the subject of our team anyways, but that’s my opinion on those two. (TnB)
they have both been mentioned often here by a number of posters, so I guess they might think it was relevant. Does everything posted have to meet your definition of what is appropriate, or can some others partake of something that might interest them. Every one of the subjects I posted have been discussed here whether you are interested in them or not. Is that OK??
November 9th, 20098:14 pm
I was actually just making fun of the fact that any professional baseball writer would make a statement that placed Holliday’s defensive ability above any outfielder! I’ve seen Holliday look like a very uncoordinated sissy many times while playing left field. Holliday features “hold your breath” defense every time a ball is hit his way.
November 9th, 20098:15 pm
I’m J/K after yesterday with keylargo I don’t think I need to josh around anymore. I better be precise with everything I say lol!
November 9th, 20098:17 pm
nolie, well that’s fine. Just remember that I have to approve what is discussed & sometimes I don’t even say “That’s fine to discuss”, nolie. Sometimes, like I did above, I’ll even go as far as to give my opinion on it. So it’s obvious the Bay/Holliday debate has my stamp of approval. You’ll be warned a head of time if I disaprove. Ok?
November 9th, 20098:19 pm
I was actually just making fun of the fact that any professional baseball writer would make a statement that placed Holliday’s defensive ability above any outfielder! Inept
he didn’t make the statement, he was quoting several baseball execs who made similar statements. Is your comprehension that inept?
November 9th, 20098:23 pm
that is several times that you have stated that something I posted is not relevant, and yet I know there are posters who are interested. Perhaps I should post a mini-sample first? That would facilitate your giving me permission to continue if you so choose. ?? We can work it out, I’m sure.
November 9th, 20098:24 pm
“Why in the world would the Braves trade Vasquez”, seems like the only response to me.
Guess Wren isn’t going to be able to sucker anyone into a bait and switch routine. Sign the
guy while you have the chance!!! We have an ample supply of blog topics to keep conversation
creative without Vasquez being topic one.
Yea srry it’s difficult to separate the jokers from the serious people on here lol
November 9th, 20098:29 pm
OOps. sorry (TnB)
switched to the communal laptop in the rec room and forgot to change names. Didn’t mean to confuse you.
November 9th, 20098:30 pm
Wait a damn minute… first of all I wasn’t trying to bash anybody’s post that doesn’t involve the Braves. Two, how did ya’ll get that impression anyways? “neither one will be a Brave anytime soon” is damn near a fact. I gave an opinion on it & gave what I think is a fact.
I’m sorry I must have stepped on your toes with that post. I should have known that you were an uncoordinated sissy and would relate to Holliday’s defense.
Hope I didn’t get your pink panties in a wad.
November 9th, 20098:32 pm
nolie, can’t sit here and lie and say that hasn’t happend to me before.
November 9th, 20098:36 pm
I’m sorry I must have stepped on your toes with that post. Avacado
you ridiculed someone for something that they didn’t do. even a vegetable should expect a response to such sorry posting. Get it right and nobody will respond, if you aren’t able to comprehend and respond accordingly, then you need a thicker skin. maybe become an artichoke instead?
November 9th, 20098:37 pm
NP Bravoman I like having fun and talking Braves baseball but you got people on this site that are way too serious and think that they know everything!
November 9th, 20098:38 pm
I think that’s the thing that people forget about Mauer, that not only is he THE best hitting catcher in baseball, he might be the best HITTER in baseball. Add to that, not only is NOT poor defensively, he might be the best defensive catcher as well.
It is safe to say, that when healthy, Joe Mauer might be 2nd only to Albert Pujols as the games best player.
That doesn’t make McCann chopped liver. But McCann is not Joe Mauer, and likely has very little chance of every being in the conversation defensively. With the bat? They’re close. But Mauer is still better. 28 HR and he hit .365? That’s sick. (Pujols .357 and 37 HR).
November 9th, 20098:43 pm
“Get it right and nobody will respond, if you aren’t able to comprehend and respond accordingly, then you need a thicker skin. maybe become an artichoke instead?”
If you’re going to pick fights sissy boy, then you are the one who needs the thick skin. Yeah… it’s obvious you’re a sissy boy…. wahhhhh wahhhhhh cry baby! lol I saw you crying because someone slapped you around about your post being……. no topical!
What a crybaby! lol
I’m leaving for a few hours. Anything else that might be posted under my name is not mine. Someone is having too good a time.
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