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Tomahawk1310
November 9th, 2009
3:15 pm
Too much for this Cruz guy who was in a hitter friendly park. Definately not with Schafer in there. Way too much for Cruz. No way.
P-Town Brave
November 9th, 2009
3:16 pm
Would anyone be interested in that? :
Lowe
Schafer
Hicks
for
Nelson Cruz
CJ Wilson
Tomahawk1310
November 9th, 2009
3:16 pm
Cruz and Davis then I might do this but not just Cruz.
Tomahawk1310
November 9th, 2009
3:18 pm
Throw Davis in there and I might do this.
NamVetInPhnx
November 9th, 2009
3:20 pm
Let me tell you something right now– who in their right mind would take on Lowe’s rediculous salary without the other team(Atlanta) throwing in a couple of good prospects? You’re talking about a legit HR hitter that is strong as a bull and plays well above average defense. One year fluke my a!#. Did you ever think that maybe the Braves GM has something else up his sleeve, like possibly getting another young minor league OF with some promise like Schafer? Gotta give to receive in this business.
P-Town Brave
November 9th, 2009
3:21 pm
Toma-
Truthfully I’d rather have Smoak, but no way that happens.
Davis scares me because he’s been given multiple opportunities to take and win a job and so far has failed. And he strikes out a great deal if I recall correctly.
braves fan lmh
November 9th, 2009
3:21 pm
2009 Batting Splits For Nelson Cruz
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 462 75 120 21 1 33 76 49 2 118 20 4 .260 .332 .524 .856
By Breakdown AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 132 17 31 5 0 7 17 16 1 28 3 3 .235 .320 .432 .752
vs. Right 330 58 89 16 1 26 59 33 1 90 17 1 .270 .337 .561 .898
Home 234 41 67 12 0 18 45 27 2 52 12 2 .286 .362 .568 .930
Away 228 34 53 9 1 15 31 22 0 66 8 2 .232 .300 .478 .778
His HR Splits are pretty equal actually. Schafer in the deal seems alittle steep but if the braves can substitue Schafer out it wouldn’t be a bad deal for the braves.
Lew
November 9th, 2009
3:22 pm
Sounds lik the Texas GM is still a sodomist. Man, that deal would be putting another one up……well, just remember Teixeira and break out the Preparation H if that one happens. Of course, getting Cruz ad knocking out Lowe’s salary, but still……….Ouch.
braves fan lmh
November 9th, 2009
3:22 pm
2009 Batting Splits Nelson Cruz
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 462 75 120 21 1 33 76 49 2 118 20 4 .260 .332 .524 .856
By Breakdown AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 132 17 31 5 0 7 17 16 1 28 3 3 .235 .320 .432 .752
vs. Right 330 58 89 16 1 26 59 33 1 90 17 1 .270 .337 .561 .898
Home 234 41 67 12 0 18 45 27 2 52 12 2 .286 .362 .568 .930
Away 228 34 53 9 1 15 31 22 0 66 8 2 .232 .300 .478 .778
His HR Splits are actually pretty equal. Schafer is too steep in the deal but substitute him out and it is a good deal for the braves.
Efrim
November 9th, 2009
3:23 pm
Does Texas have the money to take on a contract like Lowe’s? I mean, I suppose it’s possible. But with the amount of younger starting pitchers in their system, I find it bizarre that they would go that route. Vazquez is a nice short term contract for them. That, I get.
braves fan lmh
November 9th, 2009
3:23 pm
Sorry for the double post. MY bad.
Tomahawk1310
November 9th, 2009
3:26 pm
True but Davis is still young.
RC
November 9th, 2009
3:26 pm
I am against letting go of Schafer unless it absolutely has to be done to make a significant deal. The Braves really don’t have another centerfield prospect in their system after trading away Gorkys Hernadez, and I really don’t want to see Nate McClouth in center field for the last few years of his contract. He’s fine for now, but not getting any younger.
DAP
November 9th, 2009
3:27 pm
bravesfaninwizz
That is all its about in Atlanta, who IS the cheapest, and who MIGHT help us. That is why they won 14 straight division titles, and only 1 WS Title.
you really think it all comes down to that?
Tomahawk1310
November 9th, 2009
3:28 pm
It would free up money but who’s to say we would be able to get someone for the money. Remember what happened to us last year.
Daslied
November 9th, 2009
3:28 pm
BravesFanInWis – Atlanta is cheap? Here’s their payroll rank by year during the 14-year run:
1991 – 19
1992 – 7
1993 – 2
1994 – 2
1995 – 4
1996 – 3
1997 – 4
1998 – 4
1999 – 3
2000 – 2
2001 – 6
2002 – 7
2003 – 4
2004 – 8
2005 – 10
Pretty cheap.
N8
November 9th, 2009
3:29 pm
How about Lowe, Schafer & Hicks for Cruz and Feliz. LOL! Maybe they’d give us Harrison back too?
Is Blaylock a free agent, or is he still under contract with Texas?
NamVetInPhnx
November 9th, 2009
3:29 pm
My honest opinion on what I heard this morning is this– I believe it makes a ton of sense for both sides. Lowe is a groundball pitcher that’ll be pitching in a HR haven, Arlington. Not only does Texas get him, but also a young OF and IF that can be a part of their future makeup. But, Atlanta wins because Cruz will make C.Jones so much better hitting behind him and that will make all the difference in the world for Atlanta. He’s also cheap for a few more years. You also keep Javy Vazquez and have some extra cash floating around because Texas took Lowe’s $45m off their hands.
Baseball Scientist
November 9th, 2009
3:29 pm
Along with Braves and Phillies, Mets improve W-L record which dooms Marlins, which also results in Fredi Gonzalez getting canned. Your 2010 Braves Manager will be Fredi! I’m 99% sure of this.
Long time Braves fan
November 9th, 2009
3:29 pm
There are two big problems with the Texas trade scenarios:
Texas has lots of young pitching and no need to spend for another. This story has more info: http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091108&content_id=7637996&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex
The team is being sold and it is very unlikely that they would take on any big contract until after the sale is complete.
braves fan lmh
November 9th, 2009
3:30 pm
If the braves can trade lowe and get a power bat back like Cruz it would give the braves some money to get a closer and maybe a leadoff hitter like Figgins. Thoughts?
RC
November 9th, 2009
3:35 pm
braves fan lmh – Where does Figgins play in that scenario?
Sgt. Pepper
November 9th, 2009
3:37 pm
If we get Cruz from Texas for Lowe, I say re-sign Mike Gonzalez and Adam LaRoche and call it a winter.
braves fan lmh
November 9th, 2009
3:38 pm
Figgins would play either LF or CF in that scenario. It would just come down to the braves. Whether they want Mclouth to continue in CF or move him to LF and take some of the stress of CF off his legs.
Efrim
November 9th, 2009
3:41 pm
Elias rankings are out. No real unexpected changes from what was projected on the Braves side of things. Soriano and Gonzo are Type A free agents, Laroche and Anderson are Type B free agents:
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/11/09/free-agent-compensation-rankings-released/
David O'Brien
November 9th, 2009
3:42 pm
Just curious, anyone here ever notice that whenever a rumor starts with “I heard on XM radio” or “lot of talk on XM radio about,” that it almost never comes true and often is completely bogus and was never even uttered on XM radio? They’re pulling your leg at least 90 percent of the time when guys come on here with these supposed rumors that only they heard mentioned. Just fabricated nonsense usually, hoping people will bite on a “rumor” that’s usually nothing more than something made up by a person who probably doesn’t have XM radio.
By the way, I’m not saying Cruz won’t be traded. Just saying that supposed “rumor” heard on XM radio is not being heard anywhere else, including at these meetings. And why do you suppose that of all the other people who listen to XM radio, no one else heard said rumor mentioned in all that supposed talk they’re having over there on the air about it? Or why aren’t any of the dozens of writers here at the GM meetings talking and blogging and twittering about it?
The person who posted that comment is probably grinning somewhere at all that he stirred up here.
Sgt. Pepper
November 9th, 2009
3:43 pm
Also, why does everyone keep talking about McLouth as if he is getting old? He is only 28.
braves fan lmh
November 9th, 2009
3:46 pm
DOB,
What would it take for the braves to acquire Nelson Cruz?
Insane blogger who thinks Vazquez is overrated
November 9th, 2009
3:51 pm
What would it take for the braves to acquire Nelson Cruz?
Vazquez, Schafer, Hicks and Julio Teheran.
Mid Town Joe
November 9th, 2009
3:51 pm
Just came out of a nap. Is the World Series over yet?
David O'Brien
November 9th, 2009
3:52 pm
Someone here at the meetings who would probably know, told me the Braves have at least discussed trying to sign Vazquez to a contract extension. Don’t know how far they’ve gone with it or if they’re leaning one way or another, but they’ve discussed it.
CB
November 9th, 2009
3:54 pm
DOB,would you take off your beat writer cap and put on your GM cap and answer every possible trade scenario and make us feel better?
Chessboxin'
November 9th, 2009
3:55 pm
They were just talking at the QT about McCann, KJ, Freeman, and Medlen being traded for Lincecum and Kung Fu Panda. Or was that over at the BP they were talking about this? I get confused.
Eavesdropper
November 9th, 2009
3:55 pm
To start with Texas is a team desperate for money, so to take on Lowe and 45 mil, for Cruz and 408k is ultimately STUPID!!! forget that rumor altogether!!
Eavesdropper
November 9th, 2009
3:57 pm
nate McLouth is 27 years old how is he not getting any younger!! damn some people,want a 22 yr old willie mays
ncscoots
November 9th, 2009
3:58 pm
Kung Fu Panda
Gimme the Panda and pillage the farm, LOL. I love that guy.
Chessboxin'
November 9th, 2009
3:58 pm
You can tell which bloggers are no older than 21 by how hard they fall for those rumors. Either that, or which ones have a double digit IQ
Eavesdropper
November 9th, 2009
3:58 pm
I say Jurrjens is gone, but just a hunch!
18 Wheels of Love
November 9th, 2009
3:59 pm
If they are discussing an extension with Vazquez then they must be pretty confident they can move Lowe or Kawakami.
Mid Town Joe
November 9th, 2009
4:00 pm
Get your free agents right here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091106&content_id=7630222&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Eavesdropper
November 9th, 2009
4:01 pm
to start with Tom Hicks borrowed money from MLB this past season to pay salaries, how in the world can he take on Lowe’s salary?
CB
November 9th, 2009
4:01 pm
Somewhere Lew is smiling at the thought of a Vazquez extension.
Chessboxin'
November 9th, 2009
4:04 pm
Do the Braves send Jordan Schafer to these meetings, and hide him in a room, knowing he can hear everything that’s being said in the building with them ears of his?
Long time Braves fan
November 9th, 2009
4:08 pm
From Rosenthal’s Foxsports blog (he’s at the GM meetings):
Braves pondering other options besides LaRoche — 4:04 p.m.
While the Braves are interested in re-signing first baseman Adam LaRoche, they plan to explore other possibilities on the trade and free-agent markets.
Club officials are concerned about LaRoche’s history of poor performance in the first half of seasons. They do not want to overpay LaRoche and then regret it.
The Braves are looking for offense, but some of their solutions should come from within.
The team expects Chipper Jones to rebound and Yunel Escobar to continue improving. Nate McLouth learned he needed contact lenses at the end of the season and top outfield prospect Jason Heyward, who figures to join the team at some point in 2010, possesses game-changing ability.
RC
November 9th, 2009
4:08 pm
Do the Braves send Jordan Schafer to these meetings, and hide him in a room, knowing he can hear everything that’s being said in the building with them ears of his?
We have a frontrunner for quote of the day
Efrim
November 9th, 2009
4:09 pm
If they are discussing an extension with Vazquez then they must be pretty confident they can move Lowe or Kawakami.
Gotta think Wren and his staff felt that was an option after signing Hudson to an extension.
DAP
November 9th, 2009
4:09 pm
nate McLouth is 27 years old how is he not getting any younger!!
you seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of time… :- )
ncscoots
November 9th, 2009
4:11 pm
Somewhere Lew is smiling at the thought of a Vazquez extension.
Ah, but the joy is dulled by the fact that Hudson wasn’t let go, LOL.
P-Town Brave
November 9th, 2009
4:11 pm
18-
My thought on that is they’re trying to extend Javy and if they can do that, they will trade one of the other 3 pitchers. If not, Javy will be the one to go, thus the extension talk.
I mean if you can’t lock a guy up and all you have him for is 2010 then why not try to get some value out of it and trade him?
So thats what I think that is all about.
Chessboxin-
Funny! Yeah, and they send Terry and Chino in to eat all the food so that the other GM’s get cranky and delirious and start making bad trade decisions.
dmack2027
November 9th, 2009
4:14 pm
DOB,
Before or after they extended Huddy? Hard to imagine signing Javy and Huddy to an extension with Lowe still on the books.
Plus, the Braves would be buying an older pitcher at his peak value, instead of at bargain value (liek Hudson).
David O'Brien
November 9th, 2009
4:17 pm
I’ll give you one guess as to which airline failed to get my bag on the plane on a direct flight from Atlanta to Chicago, after I checked in 90 minutes before my flight? It starts with a D, ends with an a, and it’s the second time in two months that they’ve left my bag in Atlanta on a direct flight after I checked in at least 90 minutes prior to departure.
Unbelievable. Really, unbelievable.
Daslied
November 9th, 2009
4:23 pm
DOB, I’m flying to NYC on Wednesday. I’ll drop your bag off.
NotAgain
November 9th, 2009
4:24 pm
I think the Phillies have bigger problems than injury issues. What about Cole Hamels? What about improving their pitching when they’ve already got a $135 million payroll? What about the group that will becoming Free Agents in the next year or so and the salaries they will command? Lew
SOS
Mid Town Joe
November 9th, 2009
4:24 pm
DOB
I know folks who UPS their bags ahead of time to hotel destinations. Luggage is waiting for them at hotel when they arrive. Beats lugging it around and paying the tipping fees, let alone one of the nations finest failing to get them on your flight!
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:30 pm
scoots and CB-No, I’m smiling. All along what I wanted was for Vazquez to stay in Atlanta and I felt that just letting Hudson walk was the easiest way of making that happen. If they can jettison Lowe’s entire salary AND get something in return while extending Javy’s contract, then I’m a happy artist. I’ll take Hudson as a fourth starter over Lowe,
braves4ever
November 9th, 2009
4:31 pm
DOB, lol, Delta must have you in their sights, maybe they will make it up to you with a nice TV add showing your around the country travels with clockwork service, you doing a O J jump with baggage in hand.
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:31 pm
dmack-not if Javy signs a similar contract to Hudson’s.
BravoMan
November 9th, 2009
4:31 pm
A contract extension for Vazquez…hmmmm
nolie
November 9th, 2009
4:34 pm
Ah, but they also had Ibanez’s year, and a career year from Jayson Werth. It balances out.. (Scoots)
nah I don’t think so. The Phils are a better team and although we hope to improve, I’m fairly sure that they will too. I think you been reading too many of Lew’s posts on the subject over the last few years.
braveman
November 9th, 2009
4:38 pm
i would have to agree about wren being confident that he can move lowe, if indeed a contract extension for javy is in the works… especially with hudson getting locked up. im sure they have gotten calls on lowe… i just dont see us getting anything in return and i definitely see us eating a portion of that contract.
wren has been very aggressive…. i love it. sure, he has made some mistakes, but at least he is not sitting on his hands and hoping that the braves get better by themselves.
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:39 pm
Maybe we need to look at it like this-even if it upsets Random.
Suppose they sign both Hudson and Vazquez to $9 mil a year contracts. That would save about $5.5 million off of what they’d make on their current contracts. Then they trade Kawakami. That saves another $6.6 mil for a total of a bit more than $12 mil. They let KJ and Church ride into the sunset. That saves another $7 mil, for a total of more than $13.5 mil.
Mike Gonzalez and Rafael Soriano are making approximately $10 mil this year-plenty to get another closer and were they to sign Gonzo for a $6 mil contract, would now have a total of $17.5 million in savings-more than enough (especially considering we would get a fairly decent return for KK) to sign a 1B, an OF and shore up the pen and bench.
Seems to me that would work and leave us with a rotation (signed for 36 years, all) of Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, Lowe and Hudson with Medlen in reserve.
Eavesdropper
November 9th, 2009
4:40 pm
Cmon guys, who really gives a damn about Pilthy?
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:40 pm
Excuse me-artists’ math. Add another $5 mil to that. I can’t add.
RC
November 9th, 2009
4:41 pm
I’ll give you one guess as to which airline failed to get my bag on the plane on a direct flight from Atlanta to Chicago, after I checked in 90 minutes before my flight? It starts with a D, ends with an a, and it’s the second time in two months that they’ve left my bag in Atlanta on a direct flight after I checked in at least 90 minutes prior to departure.
Maybe they’ll get Jeff Francoeur to sign you bags, and then he can toss them up and slug them to you in Chicago.
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:43 pm
And that should have been signed 3-6 years, all. Doubt any of them will be pitching in 36 years.
CB
November 9th, 2009
4:43 pm
Lew, you got to admit if Vazquez signs a 3yr-27mil contract he would Really have to want to stay,but hey,I guess I can stand that too.
nolie
November 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
gonzalez had a really good year,
He blew 7 saves in only 17 opportunities didn’t he?If I’m remembering that correctly noo matter how you spin it, that ain’t a good year as far as actual game-saving performance IMO. I do not trust the guy much though I’d rather have him than a no-name
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
Hell, Delta doesn’t advertise that your bags will be ready when you are, just that they will.
Efrim
November 9th, 2009
4:44 pm
Suppose they sign both Hudson and Vazquez to $9 mil a year contracts.
Signing Vazquez to a average annual salary of 9 million will be the hard part.
glove51
November 9th, 2009
4:45 pm
Makes you want to give Delta the old Krup You!, doesn’t DOB???
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:45 pm
CB-You think that after the year he just had, he’d rather be in Arlington?
Lew
November 9th, 2009
4:46 pm
Just speculation.
ncscoots
November 9th, 2009
4:48 pm
I think you been reading too many of Lew’s posts on the subject over the last few years
Always a possibility, LOL, though I was just trying to show that the Rollins-Lidge-Hamels problems weren’t the only data points on the graph. Phils had some good things happen, too. “Balancing out”, as it were.
Ah, who cares about the Phils, LOL? Scroom.
CB
November 9th, 2009
4:49 pm
Lew,no but he doesn’t have to go to Arlington with his no trade clause. I do think he prefers to stay in Atlanta.
David O'Brien
November 9th, 2009
4:49 pm
Even relatively obscure Japanese players draw a crowd of Japanese reporters. Andy MacPhail of the Cubs was just discussing Koji Uehara, and he was surrounded by so many reporters, it looked like almost like Scott Boras had entered the lobby. Except all but three of the 15-20 reporters and cameramen surrounding him were Japanese.
KC
November 9th, 2009
4:58 pm
DOB, really makes ya wish Hooters Airline was still around, doesn’t it? I’m not suggesting they wouldn’t lose your bag… just that it’d be worth it!
rammerjammer
November 9th, 2009
4:58 pm
Signing Vazquez to a average annual salary of 9 million will be the hard part (Efrim).
For me, believing that Vazquez (142-139, 4.19) is worth more than Huddy (148-78, 3.49) is the hard part.
KC
November 9th, 2009
4:58 pm
Tommy Hanson for Ryan Freel. Straight up!
N8
November 9th, 2009
4:59 pm
Me too rammerjammer. Hey, on a side note, Brodie Croyle hasn’t got hurt this year! LOL
sri
November 9th, 2009
5:00 pm
This ought to make DAP happy..
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/bay-vs-cameron/
P-Town Brave
November 9th, 2009
5:01 pm
DOB-
Isn’t Andy McPhail with the Orioles now?
Just checkin…
nolie
November 9th, 2009
5:02 pm
agree that bobby isn’t a steal-a-minute manager but figgins base running prowess would be a plus
McLouth has a GREAT base-stealing percentage, way better than Figgins, so I fail to see why you think he would be an improvement seeing as how little Bobby runs. I find it hard to believe all the posters who are fixating on leadoff a position that is not a particular weakness when compared to others.
Steve from OH
November 9th, 2009
5:08 pm
So Vazquez,Schaferr(who clearly is not ready),and Logan, arent worth Joakim Soria,and Nelson Cruz
A) Spell check, my friend.
B) Hell no. Ugh.
DOB–good to hear they’re thinking about extending JV. Solid news.
Steve from OH
November 9th, 2009
5:09 pm
Can we worry about adding secondary offensive skills like basestealing after we take care of getting a run producer in the middle of our order, guys?
Piedmont Blues
November 9th, 2009
5:11 pm
Howdy do, denizens,
Now this is fun. For all you statheads, fangraphs.com argues that Mike Cameron is better than Jason Bay. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/bay-vs-cameron/
Bay’s a better hitter, but he gives up most of his value because he’s such a terrible outfielder. Cameron, on the other hand, is a decent enough offensive player and a plus defender. Conclusion:
“In reality, the odds are pretty good that Cameron is going to outperform Bay next season, just as he’s done in most every season recently, and he’s going to do it for far less money.
If you want a right-handed hitting outfielder this winter, and you don’t want to pony up for Matt Holliday, Jason Bay is not the alternative. Call Mike Cameron instead.”
RC
November 9th, 2009
5:14 pm
McLouth has a GREAT base-stealing percentage, way better than Figgins, so I fail to see why you think he would be an improvement seeing as how little Bobby runs – nolie
Historically, Bobby runs when he has had a true “basestealer” with whom to run. In his last season with the Braves, Furcal stole 46 bases. Problem is the Braves haven’t had anyone fast enough to consistently steal bases since then.
nolie
November 9th, 2009
5:15 pm
was gonna say sub brandon jones for schafer in that deal. lowe, jones, hicks for cruz, with texas taking on all of lowe’s salary. (DAP)
I’m pretty OK with that restructure. Hicks is a huge question mark . Whoever wanted to include Teheran instead of Hicks is a bit daffy IMO. I’m not sold on Cruz away from Texas all year, but it’s a better deal than most I’ve read.
Random
November 9th, 2009
5:15 pm
P-Town Brave (November 9th, 2009 1:46 pm): “It wouldn’t matter if we had Chone Figgins, Juan Pierre, Usain Bolt, or Carl Lewis on first base.
“Bobby doesn’t run! Its as simple as that, thus 90% of why everyone wants the power hitter.
“Anyone who wants to disagree w/ me, feel free to provide some sort of proof on how I am wrong.”
Okay.
Mets led the NL this season with 122 SBs; PHI, LAD and HOU followed with 119, 116 and 113.
Bobby Cox’ 99 Braves stole 148 bases. Bobby Cox’ 2000 Braves stole 148 bases. Bobby Cox’ 91 Braves stole 165 bases. Bobby Cox’ 92 Braves stole 126 bases. Bobby Cox’ 93 Braves stole 125 bases.
OTOH, Bobby Cox’ 01 Braves stole 85 bases. Bobby Cox’ 03 Braves stole 68 bases. Bobby Cox’ 06 Braves stole 52 bases. Bobby Cox’ 07 Braves stole 64 bases. Bobby Cox’ 08 Braves stole 58 bases. This season, Bobby Cox’ Braves stole 58 bases.
What is the most significant difference between all those different Bobby Cox teams? The roster.
What is the one constant between all those different Bobby Cox teams? Bobby Cox.
You would have to be a true igmo to simply say that “Bobby doesn’t run!”
If Cox has basestealers on base, he’ll let them steal bases. Otherwise, not.
It’s that simple.
Random
November 9th, 2009
5:21 pm
(And a tip of the hat to rammerjammer (November 9th, 2009 2:01 pm) for getting there first on Cox and SBs. By several hours.
WTG.
)
nolie
November 9th, 2009
5:22 pm
Maybe they’d give us Harrison back too? (N8)
nah, they are more than welcome to keep Harrison. even in your dream scenario
P-Town Brave
November 9th, 2009
5:27 pm
Random-
Can I just say the 2nd part of your argument there really hit my point and hammered it home as the Bobby Cox of “now”….
‘01
‘03
‘06
‘07
‘08
‘09
So you just mentioned 6 of the last 9 seasons, but I’m still wrong?!
David O'Brien
November 9th, 2009
5:28 pm
Hudson MRI is tomorrow, so no announcement today on that front.
ToastyFire
November 9th, 2009
5:30 pm
He blew 7 saves in only 17 opportunities didn’t he?If I’m remembering that correctly noo matter how you spin it, that ain’t a good year as far as actual game-saving performance IMO. I do not trust the guy much though I’d rather have him than a no-name
——
You do realize a player can get a blown save when they aren’t in line for a save, right? Saves and holds are basically the same thing except one is for the 8th inning (and earlier) and one is for the 9th inning. However if a reliever blows the game in the 8th he gets a blown save. So it’s not fair to say he was 10 for 17. Including his holds he was 27 for 34. Around 80%. For his career Gonzo is 110 out of 122 in hold/save chances. He’s more than good enough.
P-Town Brave
November 9th, 2009
5:32 pm
Garrett Atkins is now available…
Anyone interested?
O'Brien
November 9th, 2009
5:33 pm
rammerjammer – Good question. How much more than Hudson is Vazquez worth?
Hudson signed for ~$9 mil per. He has much better won/loss and ERA career numbers, been playing for the Braves longer, and he took a hometown discount to stay (although he is coming off TJ).
Vazquez had one dominating year (and it was his first year in the NL in a long time). But if he is resigned, will we get the dominating Vazquez from this year, or the Vazquez from seasons past?
nolie
November 9th, 2009
5:35 pm
Historically, Bobby runs when he has had a true “basestealer
how is a 74% stealer better than an 87% stealer? Bobby would be unlikely to run Figgins any more often than McLouth. You are also basing your comments on practices 5 years old.since SB have such a relatively low correlation with winning games even when used quite a bit, wasting resources on somebody like Figgins when there are much more important problems is patently counterproductive.
TnBrian
November 9th, 2009
5:35 pm
This possible Vazquez extension talk is a beautiful thing. If they do, I’ll predict like a lot of you that one of Lowe or KK is trade bait here soon. Vazquez/JJ/Hanson/Hudson/KK,Lowe for the next few years is enough to make other teams dread facing us. Do it Wren… make Javy a permanent home in the ATL.
N8
November 9th, 2009
5:37 pm
Why not nolie (on Harrison)? In 146 career innings, he has a 5.76 ERA, while pitching in the American League in a hitters park (sound familiar)?
Before you react. I’m kidding. But what could another young arm hurt coming back our way in any trade? He’s still only 23. Jo-Jo’s 24 years old, and has a 6.11 career ERA in 190 innings.
Not that Jo-Jo is who young pitchers should be compared to. But…..
Steve from OH
November 9th, 2009
5:37 pm
Hudson signed for ~$9 mil per. He has much better won/loss and ERA career numbers, been playing for the Braves longer, and he took a hometown discount to stay (although he is coming off TJ).
Vazquez had one dominating year (and it was his first year in the NL in a long time). But if he is resigned, will we get the dominating Vazquez from this year, or the Vazquez from seasons past?
If you go by such things as FIP, tRA and they’re worth about the same. If they do extend an offer to Javy, I’d expect it to be very similar to Hudson’s.
TnBrian
November 9th, 2009
5:38 pm
“Garret Atkins is now available… Anyone interested?” P-Town Brave
No. Buck tooth Atkins just isn’t that good, at all.