2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 8th, 20097:58 pm
What the F ever dude! Who cares everyone knows he’s not going to accept a deal to an AL or NL West team the deals to those teams were just hypothetical so why the hell are you even harping on it anymore MOVE ON!!!
November 8th, 20098:00 pm
Or MINN, DET or any team up north
And that’s not to his “advantage” either keylargo!
November 8th, 20098:01 pm
No Jay, not What the F just say you’re wrong like a big boy and we’ll go on.
November 8th, 20098:03 pm
And while we are at it you were wrong about the No Trades During the World Series thing as well since you are acting like a jackass.
November 8th, 20098:05 pm
Bing up exactly what I said sir or ma’am!
keylargo you are a herb go take a nap
November 8th, 20098:13 pm
Buster Olney didn’t realize Vazquez has a no trade clause to all AL and NL West teams. Therefore, he can’t be traded to Texas.
End of story. Start thinking about some NL and AL Central teams. AL East too.
Andrew (November 8th, 2009 7:22 pm): “could the signing of hudson lower the trade value of lowe or javy ..since teams know that we cant have six starters”
I was expounding to Lew the other day that I thought it would enhance their trade value by taking a frontline SP off the FA market. (Like gborobravo said at November 8th, 2009 7:46 pm.)
And even if other teams think they’ve got the Braves over a barrel because they would appear to be in the position of being forced to trade a starter, if Wren played his cards right he would still be able to pit offers for Vazquez against offers for Lowe against offers for Kawakami without ever tipping his hand as to which one was really going to be traded, and thereby force potential trade partners to make their best offer for whichever of our SPs they wanted. And Wren could pick and choose the best deal for the Braves.
And even if it became known that only one Brave SP was on the trading block, there should be enough potential trade partners for Wren to pit against each other to get the best deal.
It’s a seller’s market for SPs, and the Braves are one of only a few teams with the goods to sell.
Folks….you don’t trade good pitching for good bats. It will bite you in the arse every time. I am very hopeful that Wren is smart enough to know that especially after the fiascos of last year’s trades non-trades. Vazquez, Jurrjens, and Hanson should be untouchable. Hudson and KK would be fine to anchor down the tail-end of the rotation knowing we have either of those that could be higher in the rotation on other teams. The Braves have the best 1-5 in baseball let’s see if Wren screws it up. Lowe has to go.
November 8th, 20098:19 pm
We overpaid for Lowe no doubt. We can keep Vazquez by signing him to a reasonable extension. I would do that and eat some salary (3-5 mil)of Lowe and get something in return before I traded Vazquez away.
November 8th, 20098:21 pm
You just don’t get it do you. I’m not gonna reargue why it’s Vazquez and not Lowe who needs to go, but you have to realize that our offense needs a big bat. There’s nothing that I could see in the FA market that looks attainable for us and that fits our needs of an OF. But there’s always something in the trade market. Idk why some ppl think that an everyday presence in the lineup is less of value that a guy who pitches once outta every 5 days. You do need to make sure that you obtain good value in return, but it will NOT bite you in the arse every time. Especially when you have the depth that Atlanta has.
November 8th, 20098:23 pm
Hey, does anyone think Craig Kimbrel or Lee hyde will start the year in the bull pen. I expect Hyde too because he has just been dominant. Kimrel might especially if we dont sign Gonzo and Soriano.
Also, is there a site that has a Braves message board thats easier to get to. It’s a pain to go to the blog scroll down forever and then click on the last page and then scroll down again and then post. I like how engaged you guys get but there must be an easier site to do this on.
Random…yeah, we have starting pitching for sale as long as they are not named Vazquez, Jurrjens, or Hanson. Your blog stance on KK seems to be weakening and Lowe seems to be odds on favorite for an Atlanta exit IMO. Vazquez will not be traded.
Steve from OH
I think Random is one of our top 10 bloggers! I read all of his posts. Usually excellent content and he helps folks understand the realities of the world.
Me too. The dude is probably the smartest denizen here (no offense to our other fine bloggers here–you know who you are). I’ve noticed that the people that don’t like him generally are the ones that get called out frequently for saying illogical things.
November 8th, 20098:24 pm
Man it’s been a while since I’ve had time to sit down and just read the blog. Just cruised through all of DOB’s posts. I was surprised to see the Braves are trading Lowe for Cameron, McCann for Braun, sign Holliday for $20 million a year and trade Vazquez for Nelson Cruz and Hank Blalock. Doesn’t seem like a wise course of action at all. I’ve gotta hunch Cruz will fizzle out this year if not in Texas. He’ll be, what, 36 or 37?
On another note it’s good to read all the old names still on the blog. Thanks for all the work DOB.
November 8th, 20098:25 pm
Vazquez will not be traded
That is something that I sincerely hope comes to fruition, but I would certainly not bet anything of significance that the above will be true. Seems far too likely that JV will go right now.
November 8th, 20098:26 pm
Andrew (November 8th, 2009 7:22 pm): “kawakami cant make 6 or 7 mill in the pen”
Why not? Soriano did last year. Smoltz did over five years ago.
November 8th, 20098:29 pm
Damn with all the sniping on this blog who need to watch springer. Havent heard from McFann all day so i guess its okay to say Mcann blows!!!! right?????????????
November 8th, 20098:30 pm
Random, Good point about Kawakami, but do we really want a guy who has a tendency to allow alotta baserunners out of the pen? He’ll be dealt before he’s put there.
November 8th, 20098:31 pm
Whoa!!!….the Braves have pitching depth? OK, sure they have but take away anybody from Vazquez, Jurrjens, and Hanson and you have some treacherous ground ahead in putting a lot of faith in either Hudson or Lowe to fill those shoes IMO. Not me brother, I would never trade any of the top three but you guys feel free to go ahead and roll the dice.
November 8th, 20098:32 pm
Rock On (November 8th, 2009 8:23 pm): “Your blog stance on KK seems to be weakening”
KAWAKAMI WILL NOT BE TRADED.
There — that better?
November 8th, 20098:33 pm
This may have been mentioned before, but since Vazquez has a no trade clause to AL West, how would you guys feel about putting together a package of Medlen and another piece for Cruz?
If I’m not mistaken, Texas ownership is in a state of uncertainty, so maybe they would feel better getting a young cheap starting pitcher (plus they could still go after Lackey in free agency).
However, we would still have 6 starting pitchers, so somebody would still have to get traded. What do you guys think?
November 8th, 20098:34 pm
BravoMan…good point. KK is not a setup guy and should bring more in trade than he will bring in the pen. I could give a crap how it looks to the future Japanese contingent. It’s how it looks now to Atlanta that matters.
November 8th, 20098:35 pm
From John Perrotto:
Several hitters who have 30-homer seasons on their resumés might also change uniforms this winter, including Rays left fielder Pat Burrell, Rangers right fielder Nelson Cruz, Cardinals outfielder Ryan Ludwick, and Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla. The Marlins will presumably trade Uggla rather than go to an arbitration hearing with him for a second straight winter. Though Cruz hit 33 homers and was selected to the All-Star Game this past season, the Rangers are looking to sell high because they feel he had a career year.
As always, there are a number of overpriced players that teams are trying to get rid of. In the front ranks in that group are Cubs outfielder Milton Bradley, Diamondbacks outfielder Eric Byrnes, Royals outfielder Jose Guillen, Indians designated hitter Travis Hafner, Angels outfielder Gary Matthews Jr., and Dodgers outfielder Juan Pierre.
Catching has become an increasingly difficult position for teams to fill, yet there are some interesting names floating as trade possibilities: the Pirates’ Ryan Doumit, the Rays’ Dioner Navarro, the Rangers’ Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and the Cubs’ Geovany Soto.
Finally, there are a host of other position players available to suit various tastes and needs: Orioles utilityman Ty Wigginton and outfielder Luke Scott; Rockies third baseman Garret Atkins and outfielder Ryan Spilborghs; Royals outfielder David DeJesus; Brewers outfielder Corey Hart; Athletics first baseman Daric Barton and outfielder Travis Buck; Pirates outfielder Brandon Moss; and Nationals shortstop Cristian Guzman and outfielder Elijah Dukes.
I know that I really can’t support why I like him so much, but Atkins is a guy that’s always intrigued me. Maybe the Braves will take a chance on him at 1B if all else fails…
November 8th, 20098:36 pm
It is indeed a fact the Braves have arguably the most depth in the majors in starting pitching area. So much depth in fact that we need to trade 1 of our 6 starters. We are most likely to trade Vazquez because his career numbers are not impressing, he has one year left on his contract, and his value will never be has high as it is now.
November 8th, 20098:37 pm
Soriano was our closer..we brought kawakami here to start..you have to idea how he’ll respond to closing…Soriano we knew if healthy was a very good closer.
BravoMan (November 8th, 2009 8:30 pm): “Good point about Kawakami, but do we really want a guy who has a tendency to allow alotta baserunners out of the pen?”
No. No, what I want is to extend Vazquez and make a good trade of Lowe, and keep Kawakami starting and continuing the steady improvement he showed every month after April last season.
“He’ll be dealt before he’s put there.”
Kawakami will not be traded.
Whole mess of trouble
Lowe, Hudson, Kawakami and Jurrjens? Defense better be ready.
Trading Vasquez and keeping Lowe has to be the dumbest idea I have ever seen from Braves management.
November 8th, 20098:38 pm
And I know he hits lefty, but Luke Scott might not be a bad choice either if the price is right…
November 8th, 20098:39 pm
Plus his career UZR/150 in left is +7.5, which helps our defense out (which we need bigtime).
November 8th, 20098:40 pm
My understanding is that Vazquez has a no-trade clause to West Division teams (NL and AL), but the purpose was to prevent him from being traded to a West Coast team because it’s so far from his Puerto Rico home and family. I don’t know if he would be willing to waive that for a trade to the Rangers, who are, of course, actually as close or closer to his home than some Central Division teams. On the other hand, his agent might demand an extension before such a trade, since that Arlington ballpark isn’t the ideal place for a pitcher in a free-agent walk year.
November 8th, 20098:41 pm
Random….I have no problem with KK as one of our starters. In fact, I wouldn’t trade him but I would before I put him in the pen to start 2010. He is better going forward than Lowe IMO but one of the two have to leave because I am not on the bandwagon that Hudson will make us forget Vazquez. Hudson has way too much baggage but he is a serviceable 4-5 starter if the post-TJ thing doesn’t rear it’s ugly head.
November 8th, 20098:42 pm
Though Cruz hit 33 homers and was selected to the All-Star Game this past season, the Rangers are looking to sell high because they feel he had a career year. – Steve
That is what smart organizations do. They will use that he is under control through 2013 to their advantage in trade talks. Daniels is a smart guy. He has learned from his mistakes. Adrian to SD, Danks to Chicago.
November 8th, 20098:43 pm
Daniels is a smart guy. He has learned from his mistakes.
I agree. I like Nellie, and think he’d be a decent enough option for us, but we’d better not pay Javy for him. Still too many question marks in there for me, statistically and otherwise.
November 8th, 20098:44 pm
I agree with you that Kawakami will not be traded, but I was saying it’s jst as unlikely that he’ll be put in the bullpen. But I have to ask all of you who want to extend Vazquez and trade Lowe, if we are to trade Lowe we’re most likely going to have to eat up some of that contract and the value won’t be as good as that of Vazquez. So why would you want to make a deal such as that?
IMO a rotation of Jurrjens Hanson Hudson Lowe and Kawakami plus a lineup that includes a RH bat to play OF plus the emergence of Heyward should be enough to win the WC….
“No. No, what I want is to extend Vazquez and make a good trade of Lowe, and keep Kawakami starting and continuing the steady improvement he showed every month after April last season.”—Random
100% agree with that! Hope it happens.
November 8th, 20098:45 pm
Daniels is a smart guy. He has learned from his mistakes. Adrian to SD, Danks to Chicago.
Colossal blunders on the part of Daniels.
DOB, are you also in agreement that my 3:30pm post was bonkers?
You people kill me I said ABOUT the same not the EXACT same! Jay21
1500 1s not about the same as 2100, sorry
November 8th, 20098:46 pm
November 8th, 20098:47 pm
OK and moving right along…………..
November 8th, 20098:49 pm
BravoMan (November 8th, 2009 8:36 pm): “Vazquez . . . his career numbers are not impressing”
This is simply not true, even before you take into account such real and relevant factors as the league and ballparks he pitched in, and the quality of the defenses that played behind him.
Rock On (November 8th, 2009 8:34 pm): “BravoMan…good point. KK is not a setup guy [agreed -- he should remain a starter] and should bring more in trade than he will bring in the pen. I could give a crap how it looks to the future Japanese contingent. It’s how it looks now to Atlanta that matters.”
Yet another reason why you’d be a LOUSY GM. You’ve gotta always be looking beyond next season. ALWAYS.
November 8th, 20098:51 pm
DOB, are you also in agreement that my 3:30pm post was bonkers? — Mitchie-san
Yeah, pretty much.
November 8th, 20098:54 pm
IF Javy is traded, and I hope he’s not, but IF he is, I hope it’s to a team that has a hitters’ park. That way, we could get him right back next off-season at an even better rate – lol.
I can easily see him pitching as well as he did this season again. But it’s a LOT more likely to happen here than anywhere I can think of. His K’s and innings were invaluable, especially when you consider Bobby’s bullpen tendencies.
If we are talking career numbers then Hudson would look ideal. However, we don’t really care about career numbers. They are history. What we know is that Vazquez is in a happy place, isn’t facing the AL with the DH, is in a pitcher’s park, has nasty stuff, helps other pitchers, and frankly is just damn good.
What we have with Hudson is a great guy, coming off TJ, been awhile since he had great numbers or even pitched a lot for a decent sampling, had an OK but not a great audition. You are adding him to a rotation but subtracting Vazquez who arguably could have been a 20 game winner and eats 200+ innings? Right!
Vazquez will not be traded.
November 8th, 20098:57 pm
“This is simply not true, even before you take into account such real and relevant factors as the league and ballparks he pitched in, and the quality of the defenses that played behind him.”
Does that really take a whole run off his overall GPA? And was our defense so amazing that it made up for it? Bottom line, his past career stats are too fishy to give this guy an extension based off one year with us that was a sub 3 ERA. That’s jst my opinion
November 8th, 20098:58 pm
how would you guys feel about putting together a package of Medlen and another piece for Cruz? O’Brien
depends on the other piece, but I’d rather trade Medlen than Javy
November 8th, 20099:01 pm
your not going to get a guy that hit 33 homers built around a rookie pitcher that had a alright first year
November 8th, 20099:03 pm
Random….What??? Dude, I didn’t say not look to the future. Just I wouldn’t worry a whole lot about making future Japanese players mad over trading KK. I care a lot more about what happens in 2010 than what we may do in 2011 although appreciate we have to have a focus on the future too.
If we trade Medlen who’s gonna start if let’s Javy or any of the 5 goes down?
November 8th, 20099:05 pm
Well i guess it would be the odd man out in the bullpen I forgot lol, but the point is theyre not dealing medlen his value isnt that great
OK and moving right along… Jay
well sure, I can see why you’d want to
November 8th, 20099:07 pm
DOB….maybe the very worst ball park for a pitcher. Not to mention playing for a team that has absolutely no chance at any serious post-season play.
And I can’t see why you don’t!
November 8th, 20099:09 pm
Vazquez will not be traded. – Rock on
I’m willing to bet a ton of money that he is. Wren is stuck with Lowe and wants to win next year. Instead of making the smart decision and trading LOWE, he will go with the dumb move and trade Javy for a player like Nelson Cruz. Who will be 30 next year and is more injury prone than any other player in the game.
Does that really take a whole run off his overall GPA? Bravo
his ERA+ the last ten years is over 110. That is 10+% better than average. The hitters parks do indeed influence ERAs. I don’t know how much they influence GPAs.
November 8th, 20099:11 pm
BravoMan….absolutely, there you go man. Now imagine if you will we have traded Vazquez and somebody goes down. The Braves all of a sudden don’t look so deep in SP. You simply don’t trade ANY of your top 3 pitchers. Vazquez will not be traded. KK might.
November 8th, 20099:12 pm
And I can’t see why you don’t Jay
Yeah i understand completely
November 8th, 20099:13 pm
BravoMan (November 8th, 2009 8:44 pm): “But I have to ask all of you who want to extend Vazquez and trade Lowe, if we are to trade Lowe we’re most likely going to have to eat up some of that contract . . .”
Well, I (like Lew) think it will be such a strong seller’s market for SPs that the Braves will NOT have to eat any of Lowe’s salary if he’s traded, and WILL get value in return.
” . . . and the value won’t be as good as that of Vazquez. So why would you want to make a deal such as that?”
You keep Vazquez (if you can extend him) for the very same reason that he would likely bring back more “value” in a trade than Lowe — he would have more value to the Braves than Lowe would. (And what the Braves would get back in a trade of Lowe — a RH power bat, for example — would be enough to meet the needs they were seeking to satisfy by trading a surplus SP.)
You don’t play your Ace when a Ten will do.
November 8th, 20099:15 pm
Whole Mess of Trouble,
What package do you intend to receive for dealing Lowe? Not gonna be anything near what you would receive for Vazquez. Do you understand the concept of value? Trading Lowe isn’t exactly the smartest transaction considering you’re prolly gonna have to pay off some of Lowe’s contract and pay Javier’s his 11.5 as well. Then there’s little to no room for a closer replacent, resigning LaRoche etc.
November 8th, 20099:16 pm
Whole Mess… how do we know he is stuck with Lowe? There is a dearth of SP this year on the market. In addition, I think Wren listens to me after I put him on Prado. Seriously though I am confident he will get the mix he wants via trade or FA. Vazquez could indeed be traded although I wouldn’t trade him. If we can keep KK and Vazquez, Random and I will be very happy.
I read once that Jason Heyward’s favorite team growing up was the Yankees. Can we not deduce that he might head there if he becomes a free agent?
Perhaps we should trade him now, while his trade value is astronomical, maybe for Evan Longoria.
November 8th, 20099:17 pm
If we trade Vazquez and someone goes down then Medlen steps in. If KK is traded and someone goes down Medlen steps in. What’s your point?
November 8th, 20099:20 pm
I’d like to see them hang on to ‘lil Medlen. Guy looks like he grew a pair pretty quick in the bigs. Has good stuff & a team can always use that extra arm.
I like McLouth & feel he can be a big help to our team, but if they can sweeten a deal involving Lowe with Nate in it, I’m cool with that. Who would they put in CF? Don’t know right now, but I’ll tell you that Church isn’t half bad out there & this Schafer might just turn it around after the wrist heals. Just throwing out an idea, something to get Lowe’s big bucks out the way to fill key spots.
Well your arguments are good and make since, but I still think Javy will be the one to go, because even in times such as these Javy will bring back the most suitable package. We have prolly no idea who’s the favorite to go but Wren will tomorrow at the GM meetings when he gets a feel for what Kawakami, Lowe, and Vazquez could be worth to some GMs.
November 8th, 20099:21 pm
kawakami for josh hamilton
November 8th, 20099:23 pm
Random: “You don’t play your Ace when a Ten will do.”
words of wisdom!!!!!!!!!!!
November 8th, 20099:24 pm
I really question the release of Jorge Campillo. He was excellent in his role in 2008 and is extremely economical. I think we did a lot of teams a favor. We really should be out to re-sign him, at least for long relief, particularly if we’re thinking of dealing a starter.
Javier Vazquez pitched excellently in 2009, but how much market value does he have, with only one more year on his contract? I say we keep him.
I’ve heard rumors about a trade for Dan Uggla. Martin Prado should continue to play and bat second, period.
Nice win for the Falcons today, though I disliked the lack of physicality at times…. and I really dislike the fact that the Redskins had more physicality after the cheapshot to Matt Ryan.
I have issues with this team through the first half so far, but overall, they’re not terrible. Ryan indeed is having a sophomore slump, but at 5-3, we at least are in striking distance of the playoffs and have a legitimate chance at getting in. If we beat the Eagles—which I think we’ll do—our chances of making it will be increased a lot.
November 8th, 20099:25 pm
Nelson Cruz is not a suitable package for Javier Vazquez. If you think it is, you are lost.
November 8th, 20099:26 pm
what would it take to get uggla? not saying we will even try but what do you guys think?
November 8th, 20099:27 pm
Moby Grape (November 8th, 2009 9:09 pm): “his [Vazquez'] ERA+ the last ten years is over 110. That is 10+% better than average. The hitters parks do indeed influence ERAs. I don’t know how much they influence GPAs.”
Thanks, MG — I was just bracing myself to go dig that up.
I’m glad I read yours beforehand — gives me more time to win more friends and influence more people.
Rock On (November 8th, 2009 9:03 pm): “What??? Dude, I didn’t say not look to the future.”
Sure, you did.
You said quote unquote: “I could give a crap how it looks to the future Japanese contingent. It’s how it looks now to Atlanta that matters.”
“Just I wouldn’t worry a whole lot about making future Japanese players mad over trading KK.”
Which is why you’d make a lousy GM. You just don’t get it.
“I care a lot more about what happens in 2010 than what we may do in 2011 although appreciate we have to have a focus on the future too.”
And that’s exactly what I’m sayin’ — “Yet another reason why you’d be a LOUSY GM. You’ve gotta always be looking beyond next season. ALWAYS.”
November 8th, 20099:28 pm
“Nelson Cruz is not a suitable package for Javier Vazquez. If you think it is, you are lost.”
Didn’t think it was, but as DOB said awhile back this guy provides speed and power. Something we lack, but the point about his agent not wanting his pitcher in a hitter’s park in a walk year may prevent this trade from occuring.
November 8th, 20099:29 pm
Something about McLouth though… Wren really defended Nate for his very average performance as a Brave this year to injuries or whatever. Point is, I have a feeling Nate is a Wren favorite so I’m not really seeing Nate any where but a Brave next year. Anything can happen.
November 8th, 20099:30 pm
10 gets you 1 that Wren already had “feelers” in place before working on Hudson’s deal. He knows who he’s most likely to trade and who he’d get in return, but what’s the matter with a little poker, working several deals with intentions of making only the one he wanted to make in the first place?
Wouldn’t really surprise me if something happens soon, maybe even very soon, after Huddy’s mri. And then something else to complement that move.
Though Cruz hit 33 homers and was selected to the All-Star Game this past season, the Rangers are looking to sell high because they feel he had a career year
Yeah, that sounds about right. Similar to Ryan Ludwick at that age…
November 8th, 20099:34 pm
we’ll thats all the braves are going to have available to them so deal with it…the only suitable guy you guys talk about is ryan braun …which isnt going to happen..teams dont just give away good players you have to buy them
November 8th, 20099:36 pm
Here you go Jay212033 you wanted to know where you were wrong. It started when AustinBrave asked if Hudson had a done deal. I answered:
November 2nd, 2009
Is the Hudson deal a done deal? AustinBrave
AB, it more than likely is done but it cannot be announced during the World Series.
You butted in and said:
November 2nd, 2009
The WS has nothing to do with the Braves announcing the Hudson deal.
November 2nd, 2009
Jay – It may not be a rule that is enforced completely, but player signings are not supposed to be announced during the World Series
David O’Brien confirms what I said:
Here’s story I wrote for website. Braves can’t announce signings until after World Series, per MLB request.
By David O’Brien Nov 4th, 2009 2:08 pm
The Braves signed veteran reliever Scott Proctor to a one-year contract on Wednesday, according to his agent.
The right-hander missed the entire 2009 season with the Florida Marlins while recovering from ligament-transplant elbow surgery in May, after flexor-tendon surgery on the elbow in October 2008.
The Braves have not confirmed the signing, as teams are urged by Major League Baseball not to make such announcements during the World Series.
There you are Jay212033
Andrew: “what would it take to get uggla? not saying we will even try but what do you guys think?”
If I’m a gm, I’d pass on a trade for Uggla for the same reason I’d pass on a trade for KJ. Just wait for him to be non-tendered.
November 8th, 20099:37 pm
Lowe in Texas makes more sense as he is a ground ball pitcher… Even still Cruz is a career .224/.289/.423 hitter outside of Arlington and it’s similarly unimpressive for Blalock (.245/.300/.414). Neither of these guys would seem to fit the bill of an impact bat. But it’s up to Frank. I have more faith in him this off-season than I did in off-seasons past… watch this be the meltdown year… he pulls you in and then flushes it all down the toilet.
November 8th, 20099:38 pm
We’ll at least tomorrow should be a pretty good day for the rumor mill and the possibility of the Hudson announcement should give us plenty to discuss…
BravoMan (November 8th, 2009 9:20 pm): “Well your arguments are good and make since, [Thanks! ] but I still think Javy will be the one to go, because even in times such as these Javy will bring back the most suitable package. We have prolly no idea who’s the favorite to go but Wren will tomorrow at the GM meetings when he gets a feel for what Kawakami, Lowe, and Vazquez could be worth to some GMs.”
Yep — we’ll just have to wait and see. He’ll probly surprise us both.
November 8th, 20099:40 pm
well im think if we could get josh hamilton (he had a down year and would be a risk) but him and then get uggla..move prado to first
A lot of people, myself included, have been excessively critical of Derek Lowe. Lest we forget, he did have some blisters to deal with, a significant obstacle for a pitcher.
November 8th, 20099:42 pm
we’ll thats all the braves are going to have available to them so deal with it…the only suitable guy you guys talk about is ryan braun …which isnt going to happen..teams dont just give away good players you have to buy them – Andrew
Everyone underrates Vazquez. You’d probably have him sent to Milwaukee for Corey Hart. If there isn’t the big hitter available that Javy can bring back, then at least shed salary and trade away Lowe.
November 8th, 20099:44 pm
I once suggested trading Lowe for Francoeur back. I’d consider trying that approach– and clearly, I’m not giving up on the guy from Parkview.
From mlbtr: Nats interested in Mike Gonzalez:
Mike MacDougal is currently the favorite to be the Nats’ closer in 2010. In 52 appearances last season, the 32-year-old posted an ERA of 3.60 but had as many walks as he did strikeouts. However, the club could be looking to upgrade as Ladson hears that they are interested in acquiring free agent reliever Mike Gonzalez. If they ink Gonzalez, Ladson sees the two men sharing the closer role.
November 8th, 20099:48 pm
tr (November 8th, 2009 9:36 pm): “If I’m a gm, I’d pass on a trade for Uggla for the same reason I’d pass on a trade for KJ. Just wait for him to be non-tendered.”
Or would you trade Johnson for Uggla???
Let each of their current teams beat ‘em down in arbitration, and then trade ‘em straight up!!!
‘Cept the Braves really don’t have a position for Uggla, do they?
November 8th, 20099:49 pm
I’m betting he will. Wren and pretty much all gms are sneaky like that. Anyone see the Vazquez deal coming last year? I sure didnt.
Let’s give Kelly Johnson a chance to play left field and bat 600 times. He could give us 20-plus homers and 40-plus doubles.
November 8th, 20099:53 pm
“And while we are at it you were wrong about the No Trades During the World Series thing as well since you are acting like a jackass.”
Now you found that just to make yourself look like a jackass LOL!!! Where in any of that do I say anything about TRADES during the WS?!?!
November 8th, 200910:06 pm
I’m gonna say this that we have been and for the foreseeable future really loght on lefty starters and I do see this as a future problem down the road and thoughts on mabye trading both Lowe and Vazquez for a Power Bat and a Lefty starter? I know its not gonna happen but it makes good discussion.
November 8th, 200910:07 pm
I’m gonna say this that we have been and for the foreseeable future really light on lefty starters and I do see this as a future problem down the road and thoughts on mabye trading both Lowe and Vazquez for a Power Bat and a Lefty starter? I know its not gonna happen but it makes good discussion.
typo on that 10:06 post
November 8th, 200910:11 pm
November 8th, 200910:12 pm
Random (re 9:48)
Makes sense. But every time I even think of Uggla, I quickly forget his powerful bat because my mind is overwhelmed by mental video of his defense. Sorta like Dunn. Love ‘em both at the plate with men on base, but tremble with fear when they hit the field. Uggla would make somebody a good DH. Dunn would, too, but he doesn’t seem to like the idea.
November 8th, 200910:14 pm
And that’s exactly what I’m sayin’ — “Yet another reason why you’d be a LOUSY GM. You’ve gotta always be looking beyond next season. ALWAYS.”-Random
Guess that was what they have been doing the last 5 years. Random you are very wrong there sir IMO which is why you would also make a very lousy GM. The Braves better learn to gear up for the present (2010) or it will always be looking way into the future. Always.
November 8th, 200910:18 pm
The Braves traded LaRoche after the ‘06 season (along with minor league OF Jamie Romak) because they felt LaRoche had a career year (32 HR, 90 RBI), and they needed bullpen help, so they traded him at his peak. However, since then, Adam has hit:
21 HR and 88 RBI in ‘07,
25 HR and 85 RBI in ‘08,
25 HR and 83 RBI in ‘09.
In return, the Braves received Mike Gonzales and Brent Lillibridge.
I know I shouldnt be looking back, but I just wonder how things would have been if we had kept LaRoche (then we wouldnt have needed to make the move for Tex one year later).
That being said, I hope the Braves resign him.
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