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monty
November 8th, 2009
4:49 pm
N8
I said DYe was not the answer, we’d be better off just sticking Prado out in right as BC alluded to than paying DYe to come in and hit around 20 HR’s and play poor RF. For whatever reason you lambasted that post and acted like it was the craziest post you had ever read.(you started it sir) I hate to say that,(your words) it sounds childish but you already accused me of it on a previous post of yours. I’m just stating the facts.
My initial post was not to propose Prado play RF,only to show our dimintive 2nd baseman could hit better than he. The point was DYe was not what we needed. He can’t run-0 stolen bases last year. He strikes out over 100 times per year. He had his lowest .OPS in 6 years last year. HIs lowest slugg.% in the last 7 years last year. HIs lowest batting avg. in 8 years last year at .250. His lowest HR total in 6 years. Lowest doubles total in 8 years at 19. Just do a little research it’s availabe for free.
You came back in a typical “got your a$$ handed to you” fashion and tried to make my post relate to this past season. You said,”Wouldn’t it have been better if we had had DYe instead of Loaf ?” Well duh? What genuise couldn’t look back and make that decision in hindsight. I never proposed bringing back Loaf. My post was about what is best for next year.I don’t think any logical person would try to say that an aging, almost over the hill ,can’t run, player will go to the other league this late in his career and perform at past levels. Could there be an exception? Sure, but not likely. Just take a look at what happened to Holiday in OaKland. Or use Loaf as your example.
You generally have clearer thought out reasoning on your post, that’s why I’m surprised at you going down this road. Is someone impersonating you on the blog. JUst check out what DOB said about Dye staying in the AL where he can be a designated hitter, but I guess he’s dumbing down the blog too! LOL!!
I’m sure you will feel dumber after reading this.
Confident?
November 8th, 2009
4:49 pm
I bow to your superior knowledge.
thanks, you should.
It has been written here ad nauseum that Javy has a no trade clause to AL/NL West teams. I have read it dozens of times. Shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone at this point. Other Than to Buster, he should read more often than write. All that effort expended writing a detailed scenario that isn’t possible. and I said and meant nothing about Efrim who is one of the more knowledgeable posters.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
4:50 pm
Vazquez could always waive his NTC, I don’t think that Puerto Rico is any further from TX than it is from GA.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
4:51 pm
Also if Vazquez “really” likes it here he’d sign an extension at a reasonable rate ala Hudson.
cabravesfan
November 8th, 2009
4:53 pm
Efrim-
Watching the game- and yes, they desperately need to win this
Salamander
November 8th, 2009
4:55 pm
I’m guessing the “trade Lowe!” comments are never going away until the season starts.
He has very little value people. I don’t think its advantageous to dump his salary (ala Rios) just to free up cash. What do you do with the cash? Sign Holliday or Bay? Neither player will complete this team and both will probably cost the same or more per year than Lowe’s salary, and probably for longer than the 3 years left on Lowe’s deal.
Now the other oft-mentioned suggestion: OK, trade Lowe and free up cash to facilitate a trade for a big (expensive) bat. Who does Wren target? How much salary does he have to take on, and which young players will he have to part ways with to get the bat?
Trading Lowe for salary relief (to sign/trade for an expensive bat) is not a bad idea, its just far-fetched. Vazquez has way more value than Lowe, and he is the guy (or Jurrjens) that teams are going to ask about when they call Wren.
I’m sure Wren would love to move Lowe, but I don’t see another team ponying up a player of value in return, or taking on his entire salary. Maybe if Wren got lucky, some team would take on all of Lowe’s contract (and give the Braves no players in return), but even this scenario seems far-fetched to me. There are plenty of better (cheaper) pitching options on the board right now.
Better to take a gamble on Harden, Sheets, etc than trade for Lowe. Swapping Lowe’s contract for a power hitter with a bad contract is a possibility, but I’ve yet to hear of a big bat that seems worth swapping contracts for ($19 mil a year for 3 more years of Carlos Lee? No thanks).
Soph
November 8th, 2009
4:58 pm
cab -
Ryan didn’t do terrible.
Mitchie-san
November 8th, 2009
4:59 pm
OK, if Vazquez’ NTC says no to NL West teams would accept a trade to Houston? They are in the NL Central. Its still Texas. Whats the difference?
Bottom line, its his choice. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
5:00 pm
braves should sign sheets to pitch in the pen..low risk high reward
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
5:00 pm
I’d trade Lowe in a heartbeat! I still am hoping for my Lowe to the Angels for Arredondo and Sandoval.
cabravesfan
November 8th, 2009
5:03 pm
Soph-
He didn’t particularly help me though
Soph
November 8th, 2009
5:06 pm
I know the feeling, cab. Eli hasn’t done much for me in the past few weeks either.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
5:10 pm
wow a ten minute td drive by the giants
cabravesfan
November 8th, 2009
5:11 pm
Soph-
Eli already has more points then Ryan did and the Giants game is still in the 2nd quarter…
nolie
November 8th, 2009
5:16 pm
Vazquez could always waive his NTC, I don’t think that Puerto Rico is any further from TX than it is from GA. (Jay21)
Where do you think Puerto Rico is Jay?
There is about 500 or so miles difference with Atlanta being closer. I guess if he were to waive Texas would be the most likely distance wise. It’s far enough that we can’t really expect him to, but It wouldn’t be all that more distant that Chicago was
18 Wheels of Love
November 8th, 2009
5:17 pm
Holliday and/or Bay will not happen. Certainly wouldn’t be either of them AND Cruz.
I think Wren’s line of thinking is that a full year of a new LF’er, Diaz/Heyward in RF, McLouth in CF, player X at 1B and Prado at 2B is more than enough to make a serious push. Just look at our second half record. He doesn’t need 2 big bats, just one. I truly believe it will be Cruz and someone like Nady or Blalock.
What is payroll with Javy gone for Cruz and Blalock at 6-7m? I’m thinking there may be a savings there to go get a closer or take a chance on Gonzo taking arbitration.
Acorn
November 8th, 2009
5:18 pm
i asked this a few weeks back but got no answer. is there any concern that this team will have too any pitchers that don’t strike anyone out? Hanson will be the only one if we trade Vasquez. don’t get me wrong, hudson and jair are great, but that is putting a lot of pressure on the defense. i’d like to keep Vasquez for that reason.
Random
November 8th, 2009
5:21 pm
Jay212033 (November 8th, 2009 11:02 am): “Stupid……. Why resort to such a statement”
Not “stupid” — “not stupid”. I said you were “not stupid”, didn’t I?
“I have never said anything to you to provoke such a statement.”
Suggestion: Don’t fire your witless sarcasm at someone without at least anticipating getting it back, perhaps doubled and even redoubled.
Random
November 8th, 2009
5:25 pm
ncgary (November 8th, 2009 12:13 pm)“testy this morn are we?”
AM, PM — too much good stuff.
Lew
November 8th, 2009
5:29 pm
So much And Idiocy and too little time.
Soph
November 8th, 2009
5:30 pm
Oh, cab – you know Eli’s going to fumble the ball a few times before the game is over. It’s tradition.
How is VJ? Did he survive watching the game with all the Trojan fans yesterday?
Jake W.
November 8th, 2009
5:30 pm
First of all I doubt very seriously Javy would waive his no trade clause to go to Texas. Thats a trade that benefits us more than him. Usually guys are more willing to waive it when its a trade that is just as beneficial to them.
And Salamander, you can make some of the same arguments against Vazquez and what we might be able to get for him. He’s got one year left on his contract and this last season in Atlanta can be viewed by some as more of an anomaly than things to come. How much do you give up for one year for somebody. Cliff Lee was an ace and look how much he got for Cleveland.
I personally think there are teams out there that were just like Atlanta last offseason that are desperate for starting pitching. Javy had a great season but he was in a similar position last offseason as Lowe coming off a season where he posted a 4.67 ERA. He had two years left and his contract was cheaper but outside of the strikeouts his numbers for his career are not as good as Lowe. There will be teams that are interested in him but just like with Vazquez i’m not quite sure what we would get for him in a trade.
TnBrian
November 8th, 2009
5:30 pm
It’s not a given that to get a power bat like a Cruz that Javy has to be in the deal. Hopefully Wren can package a good enough offer without including Vazquez to get us a good OF. I’m not sure Texas would even take year of Javy straight up for Cruz.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
5:31 pm
Random
Here are your exact words: “See? You’re not as stupid as you first appear. WTG!!!”
Which means you were implying that I was “stupid” to begin with! But I shall not stoop to your level sir or ma’am!
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
5:35 pm
why would Buster waste his time if javy couldnt or wouldnt go to texas
cabravesfan
November 8th, 2009
5:38 pm
Soph-
He did, barely
It would have not been as pleasant if USC had lost
nolie
November 8th, 2009
5:40 pm
Thats a trade that benefits us more than him. Usually guys are more willing to waive it when its a trade that is just as beneficial to them (Jake)
It’s certainly questionable if he would, but If Texas was interested enough-not saying that they would be-they could offer a modest financial incentive for him to waive. Like I said it’s not much different in miles than Chicago was.
TnBrian
November 8th, 2009
5:41 pm
How pathetic is this Random? He/she can only be a bully on a blog. Sad.
nolie
November 8th, 2009
5:42 pm
why would Buster waste his time if javy couldnt or wouldnt go to texas (Andrew)
wouldn’t be the first writer who has done the same thing. Perhaps he didn’t do enough research to realize the contract limitation?
Lew
November 8th, 2009
5:42 pm
Andrew-Dude has to write a column anyway. How’s it wasting is time to speculate like we are? At this point in time, Buster probably knows little more than any other knowledgeable fan. He’s just earning a buck and doesn’t get paid any more or less if he’s right or wrong.
brian
November 8th, 2009
5:42 pm
too bad the Braves cannot move Javy to the Rangers for Cruz and Justin Smoak assuming Smoak is ML ready. Is Blalock healthy?
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
5:46 pm
Brian
I would do it for Smoak alone.
Jake W.
November 8th, 2009
5:47 pm
“It’s certainly questionable if he would, but If Texas was interested enough-not saying that they would be-they could offer a modest financial incentive for him to waive. Like I said it’s not much different in miles than Chicago was.”-nolie
No but there is a difference between Atlanta and Texas and if he has the choice (which he does at least in regard to going to the Rangers)I don’t see why he waives it, especially since he has already voiced how he likes Atlanta. Of course his no trade clause is only for AL and NL West teams and he may very well end up being traded whether he wants to or not. But if you can control something you might as well take advantage of it.
flange1
November 8th, 2009
5:48 pm
TnBrian,
I think Random is one of our top 10 bloggers! I read all of his posts. Usually excellent content and he helps folks understand the realities of the world.
You don’t like his posts?
Random
November 8th, 2009
5:53 pm
flange1 (November 8th, 2009 5:48 pm): “TnBrian, You don’t like his posts?”
Mark 6:4
(Thanks, btw.)
Lew
November 8th, 2009
5:55 pm
I wouldn’t count on Vazquez waiving his NTC to go to Texas, or The Graveyeard of The Pitchers, as Arlington Stadium is known. Doesn’t anyone realize that a major part of Javy’s success in Atlanta is comfort and finally pitching in a Pitcher’s ballpark? Don’t expect other GM’s to not notice it, though. That’s why I’m thinking that Lowe, with his sinker, may be easier to move. Most of the teams looking for pitching play in Hitter’s parks.
nolie
November 8th, 2009
5:57 pm
Of course his no trade clause is only for AL and NL West teams and he may very well end up being traded whether he wants to or not. But if you can control something you might as well take advantage of it. (Jeff)
sure I see your point, that’s where a financial incentive, which is fairly common in such trades,, might come in. If he realizes that Atlanta is determined to trade him anyway, he might as well pick up some money,especially since he didn’t seem all that unhappy with the distance from Chicago.
Obviously there is no way for us to know. I agree that it is unlikely, but at least with Texas there may be a chance of it happening under the right circumstances. That is likely the only AL/NL West city that he MIGHT consider.
richbrave
November 8th, 2009
5:58 pm
VJ:
Thanks for the condolences. The team has no one to blame but themselves. Outplayed “NOVA at the end, but kicking game kept giving the decision back to the WILDCATS. Pretty even game discounting the missed extra point and last minute 34 yard field goal. If there ever was a testiment to the value of a long snapper on kick attempts this was the game. Field goal attempt early……ball hiked over everybody’s head. Fifth such play this season, but first that affected the outcome of the game.
Random
November 8th, 2009
6:00 pm
Jay212033 (November 8th, 2009 5:31 pm): “Here are your exact words: “See? You’re not as stupid as you first appear. WTG!!!”
“Which means you were implying that I was “stupid” to begin with! But I shall not stoop to your level sir or ma’am!”
Wow — I truly am floored.
You make absolutely no distinction between “appearance” and “essence”?
Oh, well — I can’t help you there. Carry on.
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:02 pm
I would do it for Smoak alone. (Jay21)
let me get this straight. You would trade Vazques straight up for a guy who hit 244/363 with a .360 slugging percentage in AAA ball last year? He may be promising, but all I can say to that is WOW!!
jack
November 8th, 2009
6:04 pm
i am sick of kirt gibson even the mention of him being manager i bet i have seen the picture of him running the bases pumping his fist a thousinf times
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:10 pm
Gibson would have to have changed a whole lot for me to think of him as an Atlanta manager prospect. The guy was total football mentality as a player and regardless of what some fans think, that doesn’t really play all that well in baseball on a regular basis.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:13 pm
nolie
Um……..yeah and you will find out why this upcoming season when he wins ROY for the Rangers. Do you know what Evan Longoria hit in 125 AB in AAA before he got the call? Smoak plays GG defense at 1B, is a switch-hitter with power and he would be here for cheap for 6+ seasons versus 1 more season from Vazquez, wgat’s not to like about that?
TnBrian
November 8th, 2009
6:13 pm
How bout we just stop this trading of Vazquez mess? Guy’s our best pitcher & a true #1. I hope he makes it hell on the Braves at which team he’d waive his no trade clause to the point they just say fu** it. Trade Lowe somewhere for something & piece together a package not involving our ace.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:15 pm
Random
What?!?!
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:17 pm
TnBrian
Like I said before and I will continue to say I would only trade Vazquez if and only IF he doesn’t sign a contract extension this off-season.
18 Wheels of Love
November 8th, 2009
6:20 pm
Last year I proposed Vaz and Freeman for Cruz and Smoak – to whom I proposed it I have no idea, but proposed it nontheless. I’d do that in a heartbeat. Say all you want about Smoak’s .244, he’s a beast often compared to Texeira and Chipper. I’d even throw in Schafer in that deal and start Smoak day 1 at 1B.
Acorn
November 8th, 2009
6:20 pm
Vasquez Hudson Jurrjens Hanson and Kawakami is sooo much better than with Lowe at the front.
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:21 pm
wgat’s not to like about that? (Jay)
way too much of a gamble. even the highest rated prospects tank some times. and many never amount to what is expected even if they make it.no GM in baseball would make that trade.
CB
November 8th, 2009
6:22 pm
Random quoting the bible. I guess Paul Lentz next?
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:22 pm
I’d even throw in Schafer in that deal and start Smoak day 1 at 1B.
Redstick19
November 8th, 2009
6:23 pm
Blalock is a free agent… so, he likely won’t be in a deal with Rangers b/c he is not really their property at the moment.
Mitchie-san
November 8th, 2009
6:26 pm
“Random quoting the bible. I guess Paul Lentz next?”– CB
God, I hope not.
Random
November 8th, 2009
6:26 pm
Jay212033 (November 8th, 2009 6:17 pm): “TnBrian
“Like I said before and I will continue to say I would only trade Vazquez if and only IF he doesn’t sign a contract extension this off-season.”
And I’m still with you on that, at least.
Random
November 8th, 2009
6:29 pm
Jay212033 (November 8th, 2009 4:50 pm): “I don’t think that Puerto Rico is any further from TX than it is from GA.”
Yes. Four and a half hours direct flight from DFW to SJU appears to be exactly equal to and perhaps even shorter than three and a half hours direct flight from ATL to SJU.
You probably could have stopped after your third word and we’d've still gotten your point.
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:29 pm
So what happens if he signs an extension and the can’t find an acceptable trade for any other starter? Got no horse in this race, just wondering what y’all would do.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:30 pm
“way too much of a gamble. even the highest rated prospects tank some times. and many never amount to what is expected even if they make it.no GM in baseball would make that trade.”
Gamble? We’re also gambling on Vazquez being able to repeat his performance from this past season. If his career stats hold true he’s going to regress.
Also would you trade Heyward for Vazquez straight up? Say if Vazquez was on anohter team mind you.
BravoMan
November 8th, 2009
6:31 pm
These suggestions regarding the Rangers and Vazquez seem pointless if Javy’s NTC plans to be exercised.
DOB, does it seem likely to you that Javy would indeed exercise such a clause if talks between Texas and Wren heated up?
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:32 pm
Random
,,,,,,,,,,
mr baseball
November 8th, 2009
6:32 pm
Trades that improve a team considerably in one area but weaken it to a similar degree elsewhere do not make that team better. Which is part of the reason why the Braves don’t have to trade Vazquez for a bat.
Not exactly sure what the team’s financial status is (I know enough to realize that Bay & Holliday are almost certainly out of their price range), but I think the following is within reason:
Re-sign LaRoche & Gonzalez and see if Dye will sign at a reasonable rate for a year or 2. Offer Kawakami to the Mariners for one of their young middle relievers (Lowe, Kelley or White) to free up some money for Dye if necessary.
Seattle needs a starter to replace Bedard and would likely be interested in a front line Japanese player after the loss of Johjima.
As much as a lot of folks on here want to deal DLowe, his contract makes him pretty much unaffordable to any team that might actually want him. I doubt that any team that can absorb his contract is going to be very interested.
Diaz would be a perfectly adequate mostly every day player in LF considering he would be hitting 8th in the order most of the time. Either Schafer or Brandon Jones could spell him against tough righties.
If the Braves have the budget capability of signing a player like Dye (there aren’t many more quality bats that are available AND relatively affordable), it makes more sense to spend a few more dollars rather than giving up a front line starter.
The Braves proved in the latter stages of the season that they could win even without a legit cleanup hitter and with a mostly useless Chipper in the 3 hole. If Chipper has anything left, the Braves will be fine offensively as long as they can add a decent RH bat for the OF and bring LaRoche back (no other adquate 1B on the market).
A rotation with 5 quality starters (Lowe still won 15 in a “down” year and is as likely as not to win 15 again in 2010) can overcome an average offense, provided Wren doesn’t repeat Schuerholz’s repeated mistake of shortchanging the bullpen.
Although he was fortunate that some of his attempted moves didn’t pan out, Wren has had a nice run the last year or 2. Let’s hope he doesn’t go overboard in trying to improve one deficient area and leave the team exposed somewhere else.
And don’t ignore the bullpen.
Acorn
November 8th, 2009
6:33 pm
having dob here to answer the NTC with Vasquez thing would do a world of good. then all of this javy to texas stuff would go away.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:36 pm
nolie
If he signs an extension it wouldn’t be for much more than the 11.5 mil he’s already going to make this upcoming season. I’d say 4 yr/48 mil contract but hopefully since he likes it here he’d take a Hudson type deal to stay here something like 4 yr/40 mil.
cabravesfan
November 8th, 2009
6:36 pm
richbrave – I “watched” the end of your game on GameCast, and knew how you must have felt. We have New Hampshire this week – you are lucky not to have had to. At least it’s a home game.
Venice Jim
November 8th, 2009
6:37 pm
That was me, obviously, richbrave
ncgary
November 8th, 2009
6:39 pm
vaz would probably make a good closer if he wanted / 11.5 million is steep for that position but its already promised. i think if no good trade develops , id seriously think about conditioning the 6 starters to all go 8 and 9 every outing, and pick up 1 extra fielder. 6 starters 5 relievers and 14 fielders
unorthodox now but so was 5 starters 25 years ago
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:41 pm
Gamble? We’re also gambling on Vazquez being able to repeat his performance from this past season. If his career stats hold true he’s going to regress (Jay)
c’mon man we are talking about trading him. it is a larger gamble than another trade would likely be. I agree to the upside, but no GM would trade them straightup…from the Vazquez point of view.
And Javy is always at least league average and usually better so it’s not like he will probably go to pieces if we did keep him. You always get 10+ wins and 150+ Ks, one of only a dozen or so pitchers in the entire history of baseball to do that for 10 straight years. That too is less risk than that a phenom will not live up to fan expectations. Less sexy maybe, but less risky too.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
6:46 pm
nolie
But would you trade Heyward for Vazquez?
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:49 pm
(Jay)
my preference would for them to extend him for a few years, but I am not totally tied to that. I just think it is unlikely that they would sign him and then trade him. Not impossible, but not really the typical Braves move. ¿quien sabe?
I do believe that they are not gonna risk their biggest bargaining chip of the winter-if they decide it’s him they will trade-on a AAA player. It’s not what an actual GM who is held accountable for his actions in real life, is gonna do. Great fantasy baseball trade perhaps.
nolie
November 8th, 2009
6:50 pm
I agree with Lew and Jake that we are spending a lot of time on something very unlikely to happen-Javy waiving a trade to Texas- so I’m gonna drop out of that for now
BravoMan
November 8th, 2009
6:51 pm
They’re not gonna resign Javy. Then they’ll have 3 guys on the pitching front over the age of 30 resigned and taking up alotta dough. I really don’t think Vazquez will repeat his stats from last year nxt year. I’d deal him cuz his values so high because we really do need a big RH bat in that lineup. Our offense can be real inconsistent at times and that’s annoying.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
6:51 pm
what trade would you rather do
lowe for m ordonez or javy for cruz and maybe another player
Jeff R
November 8th, 2009
6:55 pm
Lew… I’m with you (5:55 pm post).
Vazquez for Cruz, even if Vazquez was agreeable. Wouldn’t do it. Think Vazquez is worth more than Cruz.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
6:58 pm
jeff so you think we need to get matt kemp,ryan braun someone like that for javy ..ur tripping he had like 2 ace performance years and hes 34 with one year left on his contract..
TnBrian
November 8th, 2009
7:03 pm
BravoMan, I think you have to try and find a taker on Lowe for all or most of remaining salary before jumping on a trade involving Javy. He’s making $3.5m less than Lowe a year and is not only better, but he’s what a team needs in thier rotation, a K pitcher. Think about it. Nothing Javy did in ‘09 says he will regress in 2010 or after. Healthy,strong, had all his pitches working as good or better than ever. Why do you think he’ll regress? I’m with people that think he’s in his comfort zone with Bobby & Atlanta. He ain’t getting worse here, I don’t care what you think.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:05 pm
Nolie
The only reason I’d trade Javy is because he’s only going to be here one more season anyway why not get a young budding superstar type player for him while his value is at its peak?!?!
Don’t get me wrong I want to keep Vazquez and trade Lowe by all means but who knows if we’re going to be able to deal Lowe at all hopefully we will and be able to put all this Vazquez talk behind us.
TnBrian
November 8th, 2009
7:07 pm
Isn’t Cruz an injury bug? Seems I’m reading things during the season where he’s pulled this or tore that. Good Lord, I know he’s what we need when healthy, but you trade Vazquez plus whoever else & he’s warming the bench with a torn butt muscle, I don’t think I want to watch Javy K’ing 10 a game with Texas.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:07 pm
TnBrian
“Why do you think he’ll regress?”
Maybe because of his career numbers.
BravoMan
November 8th, 2009
7:12 pm
TnBrian,
I agree with you on the attempt to trade Lowe 1st but I’m telling you it’s going to be very difficult. If your asking if id rather have Vazquez or Lowe on my team then ofcourse id say Vazquez. But this team needs a bat. A 25 to 30 HR guy especially if LaRoche isnt resigned and we have to go after someone of lesser value with the bat. With have too much pitching from a financial perspective. So Wren’s gonna say ok 1 of my three starters(Kawakami, Lowe, Javy) are available and naturally Vazquez will get the best return so you deal him. This decision was made when Huddy was resigned. And I have no doubt he’s in a comfort zone, but 1 good year isnt enough for me. Whether you believe me or not I’m bettin that’s how it’s gonna go down.
flange1
November 8th, 2009
7:14 pm
If the Braves have to trade Javy, then I hope that FW can pull another Renteria deal out of his hat!!
keylargo
November 8th, 2009
7:18 pm
Vazquez could always waive his NTC, I don’t think that Puerto Rico is any further from TX than it is from GA. Jay212033
Yeah, leave the stadium, hit I-20 and drive 800 miles West and you’re in Arlington, TX. Puerto Rico is SouthEast from Atlanta. I’d bet it is al least 400 miles by air further each way.
You keep digging that hole deeper.
BravoMan
November 8th, 2009
7:21 pm
flange1,
Not every GM is as foolish as Dombrowski lol
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
7:22 pm
could the signing of hudson lower the trade value of lowe or javy ..since teams know that we cant have six starters..kawakami cant make 6 or 7 mill in the pen
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:25 pm
Since when will Vazquez be driving to Puerto Rico?!?! Hell an hour extra from TX isn’t going to make that much of damn difference. You people kill me I said ABOUT the same not the EXACT same!
Hello!
November 8th, 2009
7:26 pm
Didn’t Cruz have a .332 OBP last year? That stinks.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
7:27 pm
jesus christ an extra hour a flight isnt gonna hurt anyone
BravoMan
November 8th, 2009
7:27 pm
Andrew,
Eh i dont think so, good question, but I dont see that being considered because we’re not in a postion where we absolutelty need to trade someone like Bradely and the Cubs for example, but it would be nice to free up some money space from the SP to be used in other areas.
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:31 pm
Thank You Andrew! Damn everyone on here is acting like it’s double the time from Arlington it’s only 1 HOUR geez!
keylargo
November 8th, 2009
7:41 pm
I don’t think that Puerto Rico is any further from TX than it is from GA. Jay212033
You people kill me I said ABOUT the same not the EXACT same! Jay213033
You did not. You said Puerto Rico was no further.
gborobravo
November 8th, 2009
7:46 pm
the trade value for Lowe or Vazquez is determined on the number of starters available…..with it being a weak market for front line starters it could be the best opportunity to trade them and get a high return.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
7:47 pm
its actually about 2 hours longer flight time..seriously though just sleep or watch a movie
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:47 pm
keylargo
Still not EXACT!!! 1 HOUR is not a huge difference no matter how you look at it!It doesn’t matter anyway it’s what Vazquez wants so he’s not going to Texas!
Random
November 8th, 2009
7:48 pm
nolie (November 8th, 2009 6:29 pm): “So what happens if he [Vazquez] signs an extension and they can’t find an acceptable trade for any other starter? Got no horse in this race, just wondering what y’all would do.”
Pray for Heyward.
Seriously, though — if the Braves are unable to trade any of their 6 SPs, I would expect Kawakami to remain in the bullpen (as in Sep), making a spot start now and then whenever Hudson, Vazquez or Lowe has a tweak or needs a blow.
A pseudo-six man rotation.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
7:51 pm
but the thing is we could trade him to the blue jays..how would he like that distance
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:51 pm
It doesn’t matter how long it takes he still has to fly reguardless! The Braves should trade him to Minn. for even putting that Limited clause in his contract lol!
Jay212033
November 8th, 2009
7:52 pm
Andrew
Jinx lol
beekay
November 8th, 2009
7:52 pm
I had 3 picks today first was the over 51 for the saints game. It was 30-20 Panthers had ball at 3 yd line and didn’t punch it in so I lost….2nd was Giants minus 5…they are up 6 when the chargers drive 80 yds in the last minute to score and cover…last was Lions +10.5..they start out up 17-0 and are still covering down 25-20 with 30 seconds left when they throw a pick 6 and the Hawks cover on a 60 yd int return….this is why one should never bet. What an awful day
keylargo
November 8th, 2009
7:52 pm
Jay you are WRONG. There is nothing else that needs to be said. We’ve been through this once before and you just can’t admit you don’t know as much as you think you do.
Texas is several hundred miles further each way with far fewer commercial flights out each day. Why would a guy, in your words “just waive his no trade clause” when it is not to his advantage?
BravoMan
November 8th, 2009
7:56 pm
I know I was jst thinking of that! If we trade him to Toronto then how does that clause look…
Random
November 8th, 2009
7:57 pm
Jay212033 (November 8th, 2009 7:47 pm): “Still not EXACT!!! 1 HOUR is not a huge difference no matter how you look at it!It doesn’t matter anyway “
Such a trifling distinction did appear to matter to AJ Burnett last year.
“it’s only 1 HOUR geez!”
Or 2 per Andrew. That’s 30-40% longer.
Andrew
November 8th, 2009
7:58 pm
keylargo, we can send him to the blue jays thats alot farther then texas..