2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 5th, 20098:59 pm
Dunn to first base = playoffs (Mike)
not so sure I agree with that. He is a terrible first baseman and both Chipper and Esco can get off some wildish throws. We’ve had a string of good fielding guys lately, but Dunn would let an awful lot of throws end up in right field IMO.
No doubt he bounced back and had a good all around offensive year in 09, but I just can’t see them trading for a guy they could have signed last year without losing anybody.
November 5th, 20099:05 pm
If they’re already looking for another RH bat, why would they trade Cruz? Kind of marks him off the list for me… right now anyways. (TnB)
the word is that he is out of favor there and they might be looking for his replacement.
I haven’t heard anything solid about why he isn’t appreciated there except they said he had so many horid at bats.
If he is really frowned on that much, do we want to get him without having a solid idea of what the trouble is? Being willing to trade a 130 OPS+ hitter seems questionable to me,If any of it is true at all
November 5th, 20099:06 pm
cigary is far superior to cigarettie…
I agree. I always smell cigarettie (and maybe a little weedie) after a concert in Atlanta.
November 5th, 20099:07 pm
but yeah, do try to remember exactly how to be corny.
I will make a special effort just for you, McFann.
November 5th, 20099:08 pm
Dunn needs to be in the AL as a DH.
Yes. I want DUNN’s HR and BB potential. Keep the rest of the player in D.C.
November 5th, 20099:17 pm
cigary is far superior to cigarettie…(RG)
November 5th, 20099:20 pm
Dunn needs to be in the AL as a DH. (Matt)
ideally, you’re right. He might be a worse butcher at first than he is in the outfield, and at first he will handle way more plays giving more chances to screw up. Just don’t see him coming to Hotlanta.
November 5th, 20099:33 pm
Pipes rule, dude.
Tim Lincecum, little feat
November 5th, 20099:52 pm
Don’t bogart that joint, my friend. Pass it over to me . . .
November 5th, 20099:55 pm
Roman Gal I will make a special effort just for you
It would be appreciated, thank you.
nolie Just don’t see him coming to Hotlanta.
Oh man…I can’t stand that “Hotlanta” for some reason…
November 5th, 20099:56 pm
Pipe those gams.
November 5th, 200910:00 pm
November 5th, 200910:02 pm
November 5th, 200910:04 pm
Dye, Betancourt and Wagner wouldn’t cost much. Lowe could be traded for prospects because our farm isn’t as good as it used to be. so I hear.
November 5th, 200910:14 pm
Couldn’t you have done it in one big post ~_~
I kid I kid ~_~
That is an interesting roster there. I for one would like to see Gonzo retained and Wagner signed. Gonzo would be lefty set up for Wagner and Moylan would be right hand set up.
November 5th, 200910:18 pm
And Gonzo would be insurance if Wagner experiences any setbacks.
November 5th, 200910:34 pm
No Roman Gal it wasn’t me, albeit I kinda like the idea of Schafer, Furstyburgerson, and JoJo being traded to K.C. for Joakim Soria!!! that way I don’t have to look at the little puke flail at medoiocre fastballs anymore. LMAO
November 5th, 200910:37 pm
I can see Eavesdropper’s point from earlier, Wren does’nt have a wealth of farm talent to deal anymore due to the positional deficiencies in the Braves org. so why not strengthen your assets!!!
I could see Yunel shipped out of here, not that I am rooting for it, but at least it’s not as far-fetched as Dan Uggly!!! stop please just stop, with Milton Bradley, Dan Uggly, A.Dunn, and M.Cameron!!! Sheesh, these guys are NOT going to be Braves.
November 5th, 200910:38 pm
and now Wagner, yup that’s just what the doc ordered more busted arms for Booby to destry.
November 5th, 200910:40 pm
Under the radar name for the day ADAM LIND!!
P. W. Hjort
November 5th, 200910:43 pm
I really hope that if the Braves do acquire their two bats that Bobby doesn’t bat McLouth 1st and Prado 2nd. It’s a bad idea to bat your worst two hitters 1st and 2nd.
November 5th, 200910:47 pm
I assume that is a joke. By what measure is Prado a bad hitter, much less one of our two worst?
November 5th, 200910:52 pm
I assume that is a joke. Randy
I disagree with him too, but not sure it’s a joke. McCann is a good hitter maybe we should bat him leadoff Skill set doesn’t seem to carry much weight.
Prado? bad hitter? which team were you watching?
Wayne in Utah
November 5th, 200910:55 pm
Hermida is an insurance policy.
Wagner and Gonzo BOTH in our bullpen is not going to happen. Too much $$ for two lefty closers.
Wags would look good in a braves uni if we could somehow control his exposure and save his arm. That might be a hard task for Bobby, considering his track record w/ relievers.
Escobar: You all know I was willing to deal him last summer, but I do love his game. The ONLY place I could see him going would be to the Red Sox, due to their level of good high minors prospects, or to the Dodgers for Kemp or Ethier.
Otherwise, he is TOO good to deal.
November 5th, 200911:02 pm
I really hope that if the Braves do acquire their two bats that Bobby doesn’t bat McLouth 1st and Prado 2nd. It’s a bad idea to bat your worst two hitters 1st and 2nd. -P. W. Hjort
Yeah because Prado’s .307 BA, .358 OBP, .464 SLG, and .822 OPS from last season just scream that he’s one of the worse hitters on this team. Yet somehow you seem to always make a case to keep KJ on this team. Prado this past season gave us the production at the top of the order KJ never did. Where else should we bat him? He’s the ideal number 2 for this lineup.
November 5th, 200911:22 pm
By what measure is Prado a bad hitter
He’s not. But that doesn’t make him better than Chipper, McCann, Escobar, Diaz, and, say, LaRoche and Bay, just to use examples.
the ability to discern,
i was the original francoeur distractor.
saw the low .ops. saw the inability to change.
same thing about kelly johnson.
never understood about the love for him.
even if he hit .270 14 60 rbi
he is not a good second baseman.
no fast twitch muscles and he seems to always fail in clutch situations.
either way it was obvious that we were better when they were gone.
so the braves played some of there best baseball when francoeur and kelly were not drowning them.
so here is my point.
keep the pitching. over 162 one of those guys might miss a start or two.
cant have enough starting pitching.
November 5th, 200911:25 pm
i would take dunn and his bad defense and strike out total just for the fact that hes one of the few people that can make turner field look small…
November 5th, 200911:27 pm
give laroche a two year contract.
the guy is a great defensive first baseman.
some people dont realize how important that is.
he wants to be here. plus he will hit 25 dingers.
I wasn’t meaning to trash McLouth and Prado. If Wren is able to acquire a legit 1B and LF, the Braves will probably have 8 above-average hitters in their line-up. Ain’t no shame in being 7th and 8th in that line-up.
November 5th, 200911:33 pm
heard the talk about him blocking freeman.
pretty sure everyone saw how scott, mighty god of thunder, thorman worked out.
laroche is a proven commodity. plus he wants to play here.
pretty sure he would play gold glove defense and hit .280 27 90 rbi.
so who could we get in left field that would do better?
November 5th, 200911:35 pm
P. W. Hjort
Just speculating because none of us know exactly who we will get but say we get LaRoche for 1st and that infamous “right handed power bat for the outfield”. To me Escobar, LaRoche, McCann, and that right handed power bat are your run producers so they bat somewhere in the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th range. Chipper probably at least starts the season batting 3rd. If we keep Diaz to Heyward is ready where do you suppose we bat him, Prado, and McLouth with the remaining spots that are 1st, 2nd, and 8th? Just wondering.
run he some of that goergia tech calculus.
should we keep rochy or not?
November 5th, 200911:39 pm
If they get two boppers-I doubt it- the new guys aren’t gonna bat 1-1. Louth and Prado are more the traditional 1-2 than anyone else on the club would be.Schafer might some day become a better leadoff option, but it probably won’t be 2010, and I’m not sure he will ever be a better hitter than Louth, and while he may be faster it would be hard for him to have a better stealing percentage than Nate has amassed.
November 5th, 200911:42 pm
Prado seems like he could be a better lead off hitter then Nate because he hits for better average and uses the whole field and doesnt seem to K as much
November 5th, 200911:43 pm
Depends on many things, my friend. Many things.
If the Braves can sign LaRoche to a 2 (at most)-year deal worth $9 million (at most) per year and it doesn’t impede their search for the illusive right-handed power bat, I say, by all means, do it.
I don’t think 2 years is unreasonable. Even if Freeman is ready at the onset of 2011 (which I don’t think is an overwhelmingly probable event), it’s usually not hard to trade a guy with 1 year left on his deal.
But I don’t think you settle for LaRoche as your power bat unless your RH bat search fails. And I don’t think you let your pursuit of LaRoche get in the way of the RH power bat search.
November 5th, 200911:47 pm
I’m unconventional, but this is how I would arrange the line-up for opening day:
4. Big RH bat (1B/LF)
November 5th, 200911:49 pm
got a great feeling about nate.
pretty sure he will have a monster season.
bring back rochy at first base.
addition by subtraction.
no schaffer, no johnson, no francoeur.
that was a third of our lineup.
so we had the best or close to the best record in the national league after july.
keep rochy, dont trade or overspend on a outfielder, just because.
he is the best option.
November 5th, 200911:57 pm
Diaz has a career OBP about a point or two above Nate’s, in otherwords the same, but he can’t run as well or steal as many bases as Nate would, so I see no logic in that move.Plus his OBP is more average driven so place him in a spot where hits mean more than walks, like 6,7 or 8 instead of 1st where he follows the pitcher.. McCann is awful slow to hit third which is often a spot where some speed is useful, since his numbers were not all that much better than Chippers I see no sense in putting him there either. Chipper might do ok at 2nd if he is willing, not sure Bobby would be though. The rest of the line up is fine.
Anderson, Gonzalez, LaRoche and Norton were among the 79 players who filed for free agency today. That’s all the Braves’ potential free agents except Soriano and, of course, Hudson.
Javy V, Freeman and Julio Teheran for prince..and sign him to a long term deal..braves also get cory hart
November 5th, 200911:59 pm
I think the Braves will kick the tires on Bay and Holliday. If either of them take the bait, then it changes everything. Then LaRoche is NOT signed, and a suitable one year option picked up. But, I could be wrong.
And, if either of the two big FA bats don’t bite, then I half way expect that a right-handed first baseman might be on the menu, as a secondary outfielder would be easier to pick up for less……Dye, Cameron, Ross, etc.
The one situation where LaRoche might be pursued, is if we end up dealing Freeman to get a strong outfield prospect, or a young closer.
But, in the end, I think that FW will pull one out of his hat that we really didn’t see coming.
we could throw in kelly or church also
November 6th, 200912:01 am
“Javy V, Freeman and Julio Teheran for prince..and sign him to a long term deal..braves also get cory hart”- Andrew
I’m going to have to pass on this one. Prince better give us the type of boost that Lee gave the Phils because thats a lot of your future right there. I’m not even sure we could even keep Prince.
civilized white trash
let the hot stove and rumor mill begin…
my guess is that wren pulls a rabbit outta the hat and finds a good outfielder we aint even talking about kinda like he did with nate mclouth.
i sure hope they resign roachey. good team chemistry and good player. and also freeman is a prospect, not a mlb player he might not be able to transfer into a mlb player where roachey is one.
lowe vs javy is a on going debate that can go either way because of one year. but overall lowe has been an overall better pitcher then javy. that may have changed last year or it was a fluke year for both of them but with that being said i still think lowe is the player that you try and trade just cause of the money that he is owed.
what ever happens this is going to be an exciting off season and we are poised to make a good run next year with the depth of our pitching
November 6th, 200912:05 am
civilized white trash
Hells ya? That could become a blog phrase. Are you willing to go down in blog history as the poster who initiated the “hells ya” cry!
I like it!
November 6th, 200912:06 am
It’s a crime shame that I can’t accidentally generate a foe paw, so that I would no longer be a looser, and could become a pre-madonna on the blog.
November 6th, 200912:07 am
Man all the Braves need to do is trade Lowe! But I’m really starting to warm to the Vazquez for Derek Lee idea. Contracts match, the Cubs need a pitcher and the Braves need a power RH bat, I seriously doubt the Cubs would do it but it’s an awesome thought.
Really i’d love to keep Vazquez though and trade Lowe because I really think that Vazquez has been a great role model for Jurrjens and Hanson in teaching them how to mix their pitches, also he and Hanson are our only 2 true strikeout pitchers so i’d definitely rather keep and extend Vazquez and trade Lowe.
November 6th, 200912:08 am
Went out to grab a bite to eat earlier, and saw a 1970 Roadrunner (not great shape, but a driver) that had a trailer hitch on the back! Only in the south…..or Boise Idaho!
November 6th, 200912:09 am
if we could get prince to sign a long term deal it would be a great trade for the braves…also adding a righty with some pop…freeman wont be as good as prince and who know what Julio Teheran will be ..we already have great young pitching and adding those two bats would put the braves over the top
November 6th, 200912:12 am
I seriously doubt the Cubs would do it but it’s an awesome thought.
I like Lee. Not sure the Cubs would do it or that Lee would agree to it. I hear he likes Chitown pretty much.
November 6th, 200912:14 am
If the Braves move on from LaRoche then obviously it’s all about money, not the fact he would be blocking a kid that’s in AA right now. They have to know that you go with the sure thing every time, if you can. All about that moolah.
November 6th, 200912:15 am
Remove Teheran and add Medlen and I’d love that idea, only and that’s ONLY IF the Braves could re-sign Prince to a long term resonable contract which will not happen because he would command 100 mil+ on the open market.
November 6th, 200912:16 am
so i’d definitely rather keep and extend Vazquez and trade Lowe. Jay21
me too. Wren would probably rather do the same IF he can get a decent deal on Lowe.The nice thing is that no matter who gets traded we are still going to have a great rotation if all stay healthy.
November 6th, 200912:19 am
hells ya its about time i go down in history for something… besides the fact of you making fun of my ride in boise… thanks jerk
Unfortunately, unless you are the Yankees, the Mets or the Red Sox; then money does play a large part in the whole game.
Only so much, so you have to use it wisely.
With Freeman being a possibility, then you might forgo a LaRoche, if you are fairly certain that Freeman will be a good to above average player, under your control for quite a few years.
I think if we commit to LaRoche, it should be because we use Freeman to fill another need. Besides, we have Cody Johnson (possible first sacker) and RSF coming up through the pipeline.
Jay i would love to add medlen too but you gotta give to get and the brewers would be giving up alot there
November 6th, 200912:20 am
Dang brother, I was trying to flag you down, but you were too caught up in the moment!
November 6th, 200912:24 am
how about D Lee and Milton Bradley for …Lowe,Freeman,Kelly or Church
November 6th, 200912:25 am
I really wouldn’t want to trade Teheran if anyone has seen this kid pitch wouldn’t want to trade him either.
November 6th, 200912:26 am
are you a car guy?
November 6th, 200912:29 am
Braves have always liked Bay but it would be hard to steal him away from Boston…i say give Holliday the world then after we trade Lowe…hey we paid Hampton a ton of money to do nothing
November 6th, 200912:32 am
how about D Lee and Milton Bradley for Andrew
I can’t believe how many people think that the Braves would sign Bradley. He is about the biggest cancer in baseball, he is often hurt even when DHing, and he has never really been good enough to be worth all the baggage. His OPS has fluctuated from year to year so you never know for sure what production you are gonna get, much more certain to get trouble.. I would bet my retirement plan that they would not sign him. It’s not what it once was so I could use the winnings.
November 6th, 200912:35 am
I’m going to keep posting this idea in hopes that Wren and the Angels GM read this board !
Derek Lowe to the Angels for Jose Arredondo and Freddy Sandoval.
November 6th, 200912:36 am
Me for Lee and Bradley ..ill take it for the team ..done
November 6th, 200912:39 am
Andrew I understand you have to give to get but the Braves have several other pieces that could be traded as well.
November 6th, 200912:40 am
i was lucky.
my best freinds father owned ferarri and ferrrai in tucker ga.
google if you want too.
these guys lent their cars to the cannonball run movies,
if you dont believe me come see me on leeshire way.
November 6th, 200912:49 am
all that bragging is a bit unseemly Uga-Brave, don’t you know? You would be aware of it if you had matriculated at a class school.
November 6th, 200912:51 am
ever remeber el caminos?
my family loved cars. the original el cmaino is somewhat of a keeper.
November 6th, 200912:54 am
Derek Lowe to the Angels for Jose Arredondo and Freddy Sandoval Jay 21etc
this is the Arredondo with an ERA of 6 and a WHIP of 1.56 this year? Hmm.I kinda hope they miss your post.
November 6th, 200912:57 am
no bragging yalie,
look me up it was owned by john apen.
November 6th, 20091:03 am
Whether or not it is true, It’s still bragging on your wealth etc in an economic climate in which many others are lacking. No class at all, but what can you expect from a Ga grad.
You were never taught any better obviously since it is often a topic of your late night posts. We get that you are doing well dude, you don’t need to crow about it over an expensive cigar and liquor.
Well, maybe you do need to?
November 6th, 20091:04 am
before you doubt it goole it.
john apen it.
dare all you fools to do it.
his son was my best friend.
google ferraris. john apen.
November 6th, 20091:11 am
never would do that.
got zero wealth. but them the facts.
November 6th, 20091:12 am
before you doubt it goole it. Uga
you are missing the point entirely in your haze. I didn’t say I doubted it, I said that crowing about your good fortune all the time in this economic climate is in poor taste.
November 6th, 20091:14 am
used to wash those cars in tucker.
was lucky enough to drive one of those cars in the days of ferrari out on pch one.
November 6th, 20091:19 am
did not what to offend you.
just my past. knew these guys. know these guys that ran a car shop.
nice car shop by the way.
November 6th, 20091:22 am
Forget it dude, I was out of line.
November 6th, 20091:26 am
it is alright. never ever wanted to offend anyone.
but if you are a car guy, look up john apen ferrarii.
then talk to me. orlando
November 6th, 20091:33 am
see i drove all those cars at road atlanta.
drove the 308 gts. drove the californian. drove them all at spanos place. there is the bragging.
so if you want it there it is.
pretty good drive in cheteau elan.
November 6th, 20091:35 am
Sorry to not get back to you earlier, as I have been cranking away at some work and some second job crap.
I am a car guy, but more of an old American car guy than a Ferrari guy, though I can dig it.
One of my good friends in the USAF about 35 years back had a primo ‘69 El Camino. He ended up selling it, and I sure wish I had the $$ to get it from him.
I am a Jeep and convertible guy. Love to ride with the top down, which is one huge reason I love the west (rare rain in the summertime). Bought my first CJ-7 in 1984, and now own an ‘02 Wrangler. My wife’s car is a red Mustang ragtop.
I am also a cheap skate, so I couldn’t make myself pay top dollar for a big buck car. Would rather get a Mustang and run the wheels off it!
My best car was a 1971 Malibu. It was originally one of those grandma Chevelle’s, but the second owner tricked it out to be a SS knock-off. If you knew cars, you could tell the difference, but to the naked eye, it looked original. Corvette Yellow, w/ a black stripe down the middle. 8″ Rallye Wheels and a small block 350. Slight cam, that made it sound awesome……V8 speed, but not too fast. Sounded REAL fast. My boys were all small when I had it, and they called it “The Bumble Bee”.
Got myself in financial trouble, and had to sell it in 1996! Damn!
November 6th, 20091:39 am
He was pitching hurt most last season. Look at his 08 numbers and most importantly his stuff. Upper 90s FB with a wicked slider. He’s basically a cheaper Soriano with a better FB.
November 6th, 20091:41 am
Can I brag on how well off I am???
OK, OK! My mama taught me that lyin’ ain’t gonna get me to heaven!
But I am rich…….in other ways…..
November 6th, 20091:42 am
split window corvette?
November 6th, 20091:44 am
that is or were a great collection.
November 6th, 20091:46 am
No. It was a 1971 Chevelle Malibu, painted Corvette Yellow…..sorry for the confusion.
Heck, I can’t afford a Corvette, as I still have kids at home!
November 6th, 20091:50 am
wayne a straight six in that?
November 6th, 20091:53 am
wayne i was lucky never been a car guy, but my best friend’s father owned ferrari and ferrai in tucker georgia.
November 6th, 20091:56 am
saw walter paytons lambourgini.
saw doc rivers mazzaratii.
so anyways if none of you believe me look up john apen ferarris.
November 6th, 20092:00 am
I’ve always been a sports car and muscle car kinda guy. Lots of Camaros and Trans Ams. Had a tricked out Bronze 66 Goat for a few years. Had a 72 Buick Riviera coupe I just loved to death. I guess the best runner I had was a 96 Toyota Supra turbo painted it Orange/Gold and black. Man she could fly.
actually a motorcycle guy for quite a while. At one point in Atlanta my ex and I only had bikes for a coupla years.
November 6th, 20092:12 am
well, guess I chased everybody away. nite y’all
November 6th, 20092:19 am
well eric had a great 1969 dino. great car.
if you were in highschool when we were it worked.
November 6th, 20098:05 am
Adam Dunn – the guy might be what the Braves need – We can argue round and round about his merits, and I for one dont think much of him as hitter ( as opposed to as a slugger) – but the one thing he does he does well, and it’s something the Braves are lacking
A big bopper in the lineup, even if he comes with 200 whiffs and fielding issues, would, at this point, make the team better
2011 looks great
November 6th, 20098:20 am
Hate to begin the morning dissing people, but all who spoke up for Derek Lee deal, give it up. He is 10 & 5 guy and, as has been pointed out elsewhere, loves it in Chicgao.
How about Lowe and Schafer/Church for Carlos Lee?
November 6th, 20098:26 am
Vazquez, Freeman and Teheran for Prince? Give me a freakin break.
First of all, two pitchers and the number two and number three prospects in the organization for a one year rental? What makes you actually think they either could sign Fielder long term or could afford to do so?
Not to mention, there IS a shot a signing Vazquez long term and Teheran may well have more potential to be excellent than any other pitcher we’ve signed in fifteen years……Whatever. T’is the season for insane trade ideas. No need for surprise, I suppose. Maybe we could get Ryan Freel for only Heyward and Rohrbough if we threw in Lowe to dump salary..
November 6th, 20098:30 am
So you’re not only a Bulldog, you’re a Tucker Tiger???
Oops — Google: “Your search – “Ferrari and ferrai” tucker – did not match any documents.”
Got any more rabbits for us to chase?
November 6th, 20098:42 am
Lowe for whatever we can get without having to take on any of Lowe’s contract! I really hope that we can keep Vazquez and extend him.
November 6th, 20098:55 am
I haven’t heard anything solid about why he isn’t appreciated there except they said he had so many horid at bats.
Who cares? If the numbers are there over the course of the season, I don’t care what he looks like. 2 of the absolute best hitters in the game are Mark Reynolds and Ryan Howard, and they strikeout like they get a bonus for it.
Generalization alert, this is in the context of most of our fans and does not represent someone who attends every game:
Atlanta is a city of fairweather fans. Don’t believe me? Check how much our attendance varies based on standing, weather, opponent, starting pitcher, traffic, etc. Our fans don’t live and die by every at bat. In fact, a ton of the paying fans hardly even notice how we play as long as we win alot. Therefore a guy like Cruz or Reynolds would be perfect for us, wheras they wouldn’t fit in as well in say NY where the fans are brutal. Over the course of a season, Cruz would give us value in the wins column. And since the vast majority of fans don’t live and die with every at bat, that’s a course Wren might pursue.
I understand most people on the off-season braves blog probably watch or attend every game, but a group of 12 year old girls pay the same amount for each ticket that you do. Plus, who wouldn’t agree that ultimately Winning Games is the goal, not OBS+
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