2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 5th, 20095:58 pm
ugaaccountant, yeah, I just read that Bradley article too & I as a fan wouldn’t want a young, dominant starter in the pen, closing or not.
November 5th, 20096:01 pm
DOB, any chance the Braves entertain offers for Freeman and sign LaRoche to a longer deal? I’m just throwing out another option, like maybe package Freeman with one of our pitchers to bring in the right-handed power hitter.
I agree completely P.W.H. I actually said the same thing on Bradley’s blog.
Have it on good authority that Lowe is being dealt to Milwaukee with cash, for Alicedes Escobar
P. W. Hjort
November 5th, 20096:02 pm
Heh, CB, no I’m not an accounting major. I took an accounting class awhile ago, though. It’s more common sense than anything else, though.
Laroche will be re-signed
November 5th, 20096:03 pm
Gonzo will be offered Arb
November 5th, 20096:04 pm
the net will be used to catch eavesdropper
November 5th, 20096:06 pm
Wren was heard saying,that Bay is going to look really great in Left Field next year….
Flat Bill Kid
November 5th, 20096:07 pm
Eavesdropper just stop. C’mon now, nothing you have said even makes sense. Escobar to the Sawx is the only one. Why would we get cheap bullpen like bard and flip him for Soria? Why would we deal Escobar for unproven Al Esco? Spare us please.
I don’t know if you’re referencing Lowe with the $15MM closer statement, the least effective pitcher out of the 6 should be out in the pen, with absolutely zero consideration given to that players salary. Couldn’t agree with you more about the sunk cost. I can see DOB’s argument against Lowe being put in that role because it would hurt his trade value, but that’s the only argument I’ve seen that really has any legs to it. I would still through Lowe or Kawakami in there at closer, but I can at least follow the train of though behind not putting Lowe there.
That being said, it seems to me that the club will trade one out of Lowe, Kawakami and Vazquez. If it’s Vazquez I sure hope it’s for a .300/.400/.500 caliber outfielder with plus defense, not someone who just hits homers. That’s the only way loosing his production will be offset.
“Why the fascination with Dye? Prado outhit him in avg., OBP, slugg. OPS ! and twice as many doubles!
Hmm. I was unaware that Prado was available as an option to be our new LF or new RF? Thanks for the info. That’s news to me.
God forbid we have two guys as productive as Prado in the lineup, right? Wouldn’t want to win any games when the pitching fails, right? Wouldn’t want to still have hope if we’re down by 4 or 5 runs after 3 innings of play right?
WTF was your point in that ramble?
November 5th, 20096:09 pm
wow i butchered a few words there. oops.
November 5th, 20096:10 pm
dang I like Frank Wren,those are some hellacious moves
Look Out Philthies
I heard that Eavesdropper is just that. I drop of doo-doo on the wall. Pay no attention to the turd behind the curtain.
18 Wheels of Love
Going to see Ricky Gervais at Carnegie Hall tonight and then be the lone Bravest supporter at the Yankees parade tomorrow. Wonder if they use real ticker tape?
November 5th, 20096:11 pm
You have no Idea IMPOSTER!!!!
November 5th, 20096:13 pm
lowe usually starts the season very hot. then has a cold spell for 6 or so games, turns it around gets hot again and then has another tailspin. if nothing good arises why not hope the pattern continues and keep him until he has a winning streak of around 5 games. then someone will be needing a starter and unload the albatross contract
Lowe probably shouldn’t be the closer. Actually, he’s probably most valuable to the organization as a starter. I wasn’t referencing DOB’s comment specifically, no.
Ritchie from Scotland
November 5th, 20096:15 pm
why the backlash on Bradley? He was only giving an alternative option. He never said the Braves should use Hanson as the closer only that it is an OPTION, which it is. It just isn’t a very likely one. I like his writing, always an interesting read whether you agree with it or not.
scoots. No problem. I love a good anaology.
November 5th, 20096:19 pm
Hudson won’t be announced until next week. If he wasn’t going out of town, they could have gotten it done today or tomorrow, but he already had that commitment to the LaRoche thing, and things got pushed back on the contract because of the situation where they had to get a doctor the insurance company approved of to do the physical earlier this week.
Anyway, it’s going to be announced next week (provided there’s not something totally unexpected on the MRI).
Dan in NJ
November 5th, 20096:20 pm
Any chance Toronto would move A. Hill? I know the Braves have Prado, but I’d much rather have Hill at 2b.
How about Chi.WSox would they move Carlos Quintin(sp?) I know he had a terrible 1st half a season…but he’s very capable of putting up big numbers.
Both guys are RH power bats. I’d like to see in a Braves uni.
Hmm looks like the line-up makes plenty of sense
Steve from OH
November 5th, 20096:24 pm
I see Brandon Hicks went 3-5 today. Small sample, but good to see him not totally bombing in the AFL.
November 5th, 20096:25 pm
If the Braves had a surplus of starters on the rise, or had enough money to go acquire somebody else’s ace that they’ve groomed, then you take a guy like Hanson and make him a closer. But when your budget is strained, and there isn’t a ton of top notch pitching on the way, you keep hanson in the rotation.
It’s not a matter of right or wrong. It’s a matter of right or wrong for what the team needs, and can afford to do.
It was the same thing with Smoltz. The Braves had options available to go get some starters (Hampton, Byrd, Russ Ortiz, Thomson, etc..), and the best option for the closer was Smoltz.
I don’t think anybody would deny that Smoltz was a better rotation option than ANY of the guys we got to replace him. But it would be hard to argue that there were better closer options out there than Smoltz. Especially once you saw his results as closer. Pretty amazing.
All you have to do to see the value in a starter vs. a closer is ask yourself what you rather would have had. Smoltz in the rotation and then turning the ball over to Dan Kolb or Chris Reitsma? Or taking the ball from John Thomson or Paul Bird and handing it to Smoltz?
In a perfect world, you take the ball from Smoltz and hand it to Mariano Rivera. But who has that luxury? LOL
Smoltz made our rotation better. But face it. He was the 3rd best starter to roll through Atlanta in the 90’s. He’s arguably the best closer the Braves ever had, and possibly in the Top 5 closers of all time over any 3-year stretch. The numbers don’t lie.
Is Hanson needed for this rotation? I think so.
But Bradley might be on to something. Hanson would be one helluva closer. If Medlen had faired a little better when starting, it might make more sense. I think with his demeanor and “stuff”, Hanson would have every chance to be as dominant as Smoltz was as closer. Worst case scenario, he’d be Wohler-ish (the good Wohlers). Which was still pretty damn good.
I just think he’s the one guy we’ve got that isn’t going anywhere anytime soon that could match up with a Cliff Lee, a C.C. Sabathia, Tim Lincecum, or a Chris Carpenter in a game one situation.
For that reason, he should stay in the rotation.
November 5th, 20096:28 pm
Dan in NJ
Any chance Toronto would move A. Hill? I know the Braves have Prado, but I’d much rather have Hill at 2b.
I think anyone will trade anyone if the right deal comes along. I like Hill, and Uggla for second and Prado in RF. We need to pickup some BIG powerbats. We could of been in the post season if we would have only had two or three 100 rbi guys. WE HAD NONE.
November 5th, 20096:29 pm
if 6 starters pitched 8 innings every time they started (27 starts) thats 216 innings, surely the closer by committe, and maybe pick up smoltz on the cheap.
unorthodox? or cutting edge?
or just plain crazee
Small sample, but good to see him not totally bombing in the AFL. (Steve)
yeah, it is. I read he made some changes, maybe he can continue doing better next year
November 5th, 20096:32 pm
Guys, here’s the thing. Prado is our 2B. He’s not moving to the OF. Heyward is our RF of the future (if not the now) and we’re not going to acquire a RF because of that and because we’ve got Diaz to hold down the fort until Heyward makes it. We’re not gonna grab Uggla and move him to LF or move Kelly to LF or whatever. Wren knows what kind of a team he’s got and what kind of a chance we’ve got right now and he’s not going to f#@k it up by going to the bargain-bin or to some weird scenario to fill our middle-of-the-order bat need. He’s going to do his damndest to get a big masher for that spot, and it ain’t going to be some marginal “eh” player. It’s probably gonna be a pretty darn good one.
Who, you ask? Well, I don’t know, but I think he’ll kick the tires on Bay and Holliday, probably without success, and then pull off one of those classic under-the-radar Braves trades.
November 5th, 20096:33 pm
I think we need to add “faired” to blog lore.
November 5th, 20096:35 pm
nolie–I can understand your low level of optimism on Hicks, but as of right now I see no reason why he can’t fill a utility infield role with the Braves if his defense is as good as advertised. He can take a walk and has some pop in his bat, and add that to supposedly stellar defense and he could be a pretty serviceable player down the line. I’m rooting for him b/c all the reports I’ve read are really high on his work ethic and attitude. I think I saw the “plays the game the right way” line once, which will always get him points in my book.
What do you think of :
Its hard Figure who bats where. What a line up. Watch out Phillies!! And Heyward in June,
November 5th, 20096:36 pm
i want ed
whats it take to get elijah dukes from nats? medlin and proctor
November 5th, 20096:42 pm
AustinBrave: looks like some awful defense from that lineup.
November 5th, 20096:44 pm
Our very own South African slugging machine Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg was named the Topps Appalachian League POY today.
Just thought I’d throw it out there…
we just signed proctor why on earth would the nats take a reliever coming off of surgery??
November 5th, 20096:45 pm
MVH- We can afford to make a couple of errors if we can average 5 plus runs a game.
November 5th, 20096:46 pm
Anyone surprised? http://www.columbian.com/article/20091105/NEWS02/711069987
November 5th, 20096:48 pm
TPG will be happy. Hermida to the Red Sox.
November 5th, 20096:50 pm
Nope!!! He kind of looks like a pot head.
November 5th, 20096:53 pm
If the Braves score 800 runs and allow 650, that’s a 97-65 team according to Pythagenpat. I think they’re able to allow only 650 right now (though a closer would certainly help), and with a move or two they can score 800.
November 5th, 20096:55 pm
Sign Holliday to play Right field ( is due for a monster season) 5 years 90 Million. Sign Adam for 3 years 27 million. Trade Chipper to the Marlins for Dan Uggla (better for the braves long term) . Trade Jordan Schafer and Kris Medlin for Matt Capps.
LF Diaz /Heyward
November 5th, 20096:56 pm
Nick Green outrighted . He’d be a better, more versatile sub than Conrad
November 5th, 20096:59 pm
Trade Chipper to the Marlins for Dan Uggla (better for the braves long term) .
are you a moron? Do you know anything about how real baseball works? Why post such utterly stupid comments? You just make yourself look like a fool.
November 5th, 20097:02 pm
PWH,I think we have a chance to do both if we can get the one big bopper and one more good hitter. Pitching,I think will hold up if as you say we can get a good closer. We got rid of a few of our black holes on offense.
November 5th, 20097:05 pm
Eavesdropper, where in the world are you getting these rumors…back it up with a source because honestly it sounds like you are just making up rumors. Why would the Brewers trade Escobar for Lowe even if we throw in cash.
Braun is the only player I would trade for. What would it take? I’d give up three or four players for him but not Javy/JJ/Tommy or Huddy. Having those 4 in the rotation sort of reminds of the nineties a little (Maddog/Smoltz/Glav/ and Avery). It’s great to throw an ace every night. What an outfield we would have (Braun/Nate/and Jason). Our lineup would be better than the Phils and the rotation would blow them away.
November 5th, 20097:06 pm
Chipper is not getting any younger and as good as he is when does the point come that we realize he can no longer play a full season? He himself said that the last couple of months he got really tired. Do we as braves fan really want to see him end is days with the braves just getting worse and worse? If we had a Healthy Chipper for all of 2009 we most likely would have been in the playoffs.
November 5th, 20097:11 pm
And do u think Uggla is a better than Chipper, Really??
November 5th, 20097:12 pm
Wait, let me get this straight. Trade the CF of the future (Schafer) and MedlEn (not Medlin) for a mediocre closer (Capps). Ok, got it.
Wow. Just, wow.
November 5th, 20097:13 pm
Chip Vs Uggla
2009 Florida Marlins 158 564 84 137 27 1 31 90 259 92 150 2 1 .354 .459 .243
2009 Atlanta Braves 143 488 80 129 23 2 18 71 210 101 89 4 1 .388 .430 .264
November 5th, 20097:14 pm
Oh, some crazies are out tonight! Uggla? I’d rather have Cody Ross myself. Dye? I’d rather have Cameron because of his very good defense & almost the same power. Cameron would still be a wise choice if they can resign LaRoche or a 1st baseman with some pop. What about Hank Blalock as an option if A.L. leaves?
November 5th, 20097:17 pm
31 homers vs 18??? The Idea of tradeing chipper i admit noone likes but i also dont want to see him fade away into nothing the next few years.
November 5th, 20097:18 pm
I’m all for Holliday if it can be accomplished. I think he’s more of a difference maker than the Braves could acquire with any number of other moves. Because he simultaneously helps the team improve in so many ways (offense in general, home-run power, right-handed hitter, hits for a good average, improves the structure of the line-up, improves the defense, improves the base running).
I don’t know if 5/90 gets it done, though. I think you’ve got to go 6 years. 6/110 is my prediction. He’s got a skill set that should age well, though.
November 5th, 20097:21 pm
My take on the Braves as the millionth log:
Yes the Braves are rotation rich, BUT, they need one lefty and to also fill the RH power hitting slot I propose they trade Kawakami for Cole Hamels and Lowe for Jayson Werth. I doubt that will happen since both teams are in the same division but it would not be the first time.
Thenyour lineup is:
C Jones 3B
LaRoche 1B (re-sign him at least for 1 yr)
J Heyward LF (platooning with Diaz)
Hamels (get him while Philly is mad at him)
Re-sign either Gonzalez or Soriano as the Closer
November 5th, 20097:23 pm
Urban Meyer is a joke! Suspending Brandon Spikes for half a game for trying to gouge someone’s eyes out just shows you that anyone who blows smoke up your but about building character is just doing that…..blowing smoke!
Chipper-UKnowho or whoever……your Gators may win games but they are classless and are headed by a classless coach!
Bottom line is winning for Meyer. He would sell his momma for a national championship! He just proved that by his lack of guts in suspending Spikes. It got so bad that Spikes had to step forward and suspend himself for the entire Vandy game because that gutless Meyer would only suspend him for a half!
you can’t trade Chipper without his permission and he has given many reasons to believe that he will remain a Brave until he retires. Also the Marlins are a cheap team, the just traded Hermeida to save some bucks. They are not going to take on Chipper’s salary. Plus Chipper is still as valuable as Uggla;higher batting average, higher OBP, makes fewer outs . The only advantage Uggly has is more power. Just isn’t gonna happen so why advocate it?
November 5th, 20097:27 pm
You could say, “Jason is underrated, but he’s certainly proven his Werth.” McFann
Hmm…you’ve got a point. To really bring home the pun, I should’ve used “Werth” instead of “worth.” I’ll have to remember that next time.
November 5th, 20097:28 pm
The Jayson Werth of blogdom. ncscoots
Perhaps I’ll get as much coverage as he seems to get.
I don’t believe I’m gonna smoke some POS Dominican rope with it (Dye or Cameron), when there’s a fine Padron waiting over in the cigar stand.
Speaking of cigars, I just got back from our local cigar shop and smell very…cigary.
November 5th, 20097:32 pm
oh well, your post wasn’t totally Werthless
Our very own South African slugging machine Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg was named the Topps Appalachian League POY today. Steve from OH
I’ve figured out why Baseball America didn’t put him in our top-10 prospects. The word “prospect” implies some sort of risk, but with Riaan Spanjer-Furstenburg there is no risk.
November 5th, 20097:33 pm
oh well, your post wasn’t totally Werthless nolie
That’s a relief.
November 5th, 20097:35 pm
Wait, let me get this straight. Trade the CF of the future (Schafer) and MedlEn (not Medlin) for a mediocre closer (Capps). DAM
I don’t even want to know who suggested that…it was Joebrave, right? He especially likes to get under my skin.
Imagine if the Braves had made the move last season trading KJ and piece for Ludwick. We would have been so much better.
I think Holliday will get at least 6 years at $17 mil per. But he is already 30 years old, and I would not give him a 6 year deal for that kind of money.
November 5th, 20097:36 pm
So next year when Chipper goes down for Several Months and then in 2011 when he misses half a season what are our back up plans?
November 5th, 20097:39 pm
Oh and about schafer what if last season was not a fluke? What if he turns out to be another Joey Devine? And you all talk like Kris Medlin was so great?? he had a decent 2nd half but all i can see is all the times he blew leads and cost games.
November 5th, 20097:48 pm
So next year when Chipper goes down for Several Months and then in 2011 when he misses half a season what are our back up plans? (Matt)
dude he was second on the team in games played and at bats this year. there is no backup plan; they knew there wouldn’t be when they signed him to the extension. Deal with it. Right now they are hoping Hicks will improve enough to play 3rd in the bigs in a couple years, or play SS and move Esco. Along with Prado and Infante that’s pretty much the current options. If you insist on declaring Chipper trades at least chose a team that can afford to pay his salary for the broken-down wreck that you are proclaining he will be.
No Offense Nolie
November 5th, 20097:58 pm
“dude he was second on the team in games played and at bats this year. there is no backup plan; they knew there wouldn’t be when they signed him to the extension. Deal with it. ”
I for one, feel like Chipper played all those games like he had something to prove. The result was the year he had. He basically stunk it up compared to career numbers.
With Chipper, it’s either gonna be play 110 games, saving himself so he can hit 315…. or try to play 140 games and suck like he did this year.
Maybe some disagree but the fact is he played more games this year than he has since 2003 and he sucked doing it. He ain’t gettin’ any younger and he ain’t gettin any better!
November 5th, 20097:59 pm
matt, joey devine turned out to be very, very good, albeit now injured.
November 5th, 20098:01 pm
Roman Gal, cigary is far superior to cigarettie…
wow, abreu got 2/19mm. the economics of baseball continues to baffle me.
November 5th, 20098:03 pm
Roman Gal Hmm…you’ve got a point.
Of course I do.
To really bring home the pun, I should’ve used “Werth” instead of “worth.” I’ll have to remember that next time.
‘S OK…but yeah, do try to remember exactly how to be corny.
November 5th, 20098:04 pm
Anyone hear the news about Lincecum? ~_~
November 5th, 20098:06 pm
18Wheels-They probably don’t use ticker tape. It’s New York. Shredded documents are in great supply.
November 5th, 20098:08 pm
timmy heard about the cigary thing and decided to add a scent of his own…very mary-janie of him…
November 5th, 20098:09 pm
based upon his latest blog, gotta think Mark Bradley was in the car with Lincecum…
November 5th, 20098:10 pm
Lew, that was actually pretty funny. You working on your comedy routine this late?
November 5th, 20098:12 pm
I think the Braves will make a big mistake if they don’t resign LaRoche, even if it takes a 3 year deal. Why because if not they will need to add two bats in the lineup. I know some will say what about saving a place for Freeman, but you have NO guarantee that Freeman can play at this level, you have no guarantee that he will be ready to play at this level, you have no guarantee that he won’t get injured between now and when he should be ready, and if he is any of the above and you don’t resign LaRoche then where does that leave you?
If you resign LaRoche and Freeman is ready in two years, then you trade one or the other but you don’t find yourself in the hole at first base we had the last couple of years or for quite a few years during the decade at first base.
To no resign LaRoche to a 3 year deal is Gm-ing shortsighted and leaving yourself open for failure.
Rob (from SC) no more arm brace
November 5th, 20098:13 pm
I would assume Hermida will be flipped.
November 5th, 20098:14 pm
just for fun, what would the Braves lineup look like if they resigned Laroce and somehow came up with the money for holliday? I don’t think Holliday is a 4-hole hitter, much better as #3.
November 5th, 20098:18 pm
Is Bobby V going to be the next coach of the braves in 2011?
November 5th, 20098:20 pm
CB-I have an occasional one liner left in me.
Tim Lincecum is facing misdemeanor marijuana charges following a traffic stop in Washington.
The Washington native was found with 3.3 grams of marijuana and a pipe after being pulled over for speeding. He was fined a total of $622 for driving at 74 mph in a 60-mph zone and for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. If he were a 25th man, this is the kind of thing that could get Lincecum released. As is, it’s doubtful he’ll face any sort of punishment from the Giants.
I’d rather see Chipper fade away in a Braves uni…you’d think they could get one right for all he’s done for the organization.
November 5th, 20098:23 pm
Who care about Lincecum…we all know several peeps that got the same treatment even though they’re a bunch of nobodies. It’s the way the world works now.
Sounds like Lincecum lost a nice little bud in the bust. Why am I not overly surprised he’s a stoner?
November 5th, 20098:24 pm
Maybe we should get DOB to find out what tunes the Dude was cruising to.
November 5th, 20098:28 pm
Ya know what no one on this blog ever brings up? After 2010 when Prado, Escobar, and Jurrjens are arbitration eligible, what are the Braves going to do? What other salaries are coming off the books? None. McCann and McLouth’s salaries rise too. Liberty Media better raise payroll.
November 5th, 20098:32 pm
Acorn-They still won’t make a ton of $$$ for several more years. By then we’ll likely have Schafer ready (one hopes) or someone else from the minors and McLouth will be long gone. They’ll work it out. Chipper’s contract will be gone around that time, too. Same with Hudson and Lowe )if not gone before).
November 5th, 20098:34 pm
With Chipper, it’s either gonna be play 110 games, saving himself so he can hit 315…. or try to play 140 games and suck like he did this year. (No Off)
I agree that he should probably play fewer games next year and have said so B4. my main point above was that he is here for the duration most likely and there’s no use complaining about it or coming up with trade scenarios that are not feasible.
I’m not sure how they should work it though. One day a week on a regular basis, or less frequent but longer rests. say two or three games wrapped around an off day.
In other years he has seemed to come back from a more extended ‘vacation’ stronger for awhile. any ideas?
November 5th, 20098:35 pm
It’s New York. Shredded documents are in great supply. (Lew)
you got that right
November 5th, 20098:41 pm
I am taking PROCTOR on faith, that is, the faith the BRAVES have in him. They rarely pick the wrong guy for the situation, so I’m hoping LOS BRAVOS score big again. I guess they got a discount due to the small sample size after surgery, and believe in the upside instead of all those negative marks you pointed out. It’s a gamble no doubt, and I’m with you – hope it works out. But MFIKY is definitely a FA, currently without a team. I would prefer keep GONZO as insurance. You know, why throw out the baby with the bath-water kind of thing, but I’m NOT sure they will because of the $$$$. Say, is WIL OHMAN available?
November 5th, 20098:46 pm
If Proctor can come back healthy and pitch well, then I guess the fans would be….
Proctors Doctors ~_~
November 5th, 20098:49 pm
trade for one true #4 hitter. Other than the bullpen they would be set If Chip and Mac had someone else to take the stress off – they would be just fine.
November 5th, 20098:51 pm
Dunn to first base = playoffs
November 5th, 20098:53 pm
ESPN MLB says 2010 salary $0. Oh, L.A. cut OHMAN loose. Maybe we can take a look in ST and offer a $500,000 one-year deal if he makes the club. Well, he’s not a closer anyway, but might complement MOYLAN in the 7-8 inning slot.
November 5th, 20098:54 pm
Interesting… the Rangers are in search for a RH bat & might think about Dye. Interesting because Cruz might be out of the picture for Atlanta. If they’re already looking for another RH bat, why would they trade Cruz? Kind of marks him off the list for me… right now anyways.
How about Lowe to Washington for Dunn? Some salary dropped, a power bat gained.
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