2:51 pm November 3, 2009, by David O'Brien
November 3rd, 20092:52 pm
November 3rd, 20092:57 pm
TnBrianWatching a guy play day in & out is how I would make my judgment, not just with stats,etc. I have no idea what kind of player Konerko really is.
stats actually really help in situations like this. give it a shot.
November 3rd, 20092:59 pm
Hicks just grounded into a first-pitch double play to end second inning, no score here in fabulous Peoria, practically in the shadow of that enormous, space station-looking Cardinals stadium in Glendale.
retired on the lake
November 3rd, 20093:03 pm
that’s takin’ a stab at it OJ
The Artist Formerly Known as Too Hot For Teacher
November 3rd, 20093:08 pm
Thanks for the new blog
Assuming we do try to trade one of the starting pitchers for a bat – realistically what kind of a bat do you think we could get in exchange for them? I don’t think we’d trade off Hanson/Jurrjens, and the others I don’t see bringing in a “big” bat. What are your thoughts?
I figured two days of referencing Vinings was long enough – and sticking Beach in the middle is too awkward – as long as no one thinks I’m floating down the Grand Canal 9VJ)
lose a VJ, gain a VJ
November 3rd, 20093:09 pm
’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’…(VOP)
I think they are making a lot of assumptions based on a decent year at his age. he could do well again, or revert to near worthlessness. Do they wanna take the chance after already dumping him once B4? I think he’d have to be pretty cheap
Dang right!!!! I wouldnt mind us taking a flyer on Wagner only if the price isnt steep and the Red Sox dont offer him arbitration.
November 3rd, 20093:10 pm
Freeman is our #2 ranked prospect (Uga Acc)
that kinda worries me a bit since I’m not sold on him. Not saying he won’t make it, just that there are more questions there than I would prefer for the #2 prospect of the entire system. What does that say about guys who are rated lower? maybe worries is a bit too strong a word
Marc in FL
Capps could be a “safe” gamble in that the Pirates won’t get much for him. Could be worth it.
November 3rd, 20093:12 pm
I’ll bet right now if Wagner is willing to take a one year deal at a reasonable price then he could easily be a Brave. I like Gonzo, I like Soriano, but there’s really nothing like a vetran closer that wont get rattled in high pressure spots. Soriano doesn’t seem to get the jitters out there, but I’m afraid he has a ‘I don’t give a flip’ attitude sometimes. Gonzo gets too pumped, I think, that causes him to overthrow at times. Those overthrows lead to too many long innings.
DAP, ok, I gotcha. But, I still like to watch a player at the plate or in the field some before a make my own judgment on the guy. Stats only tell me so much.
18 Wheels of Love
KJ for Capps
Trade for Mike Lowell for 1B
Sign Matt Holiday or Jason Bay for LF
Matt Diaz to keep RF warm until June
November 3rd, 20093:13 pm
If Braves don’t resign LaRoche they will need two big bats, one to replace him and one to upgrade.
If they expect to compete with the Phillies next year then they will need the two big bats, if not they are only kidding themselves.
The GM for the Phillies has built a pretty darned good team very well balanced. He should be the GM of the year for the great moves he made to bolster his teams weaknesses this year.
I actually feel that with the moves he made that the Braves will need either LaRoche and a big bat or two just to keep up much less catch the Phillies.
November 3rd, 20093:15 pm
speaking of draft picks how does it work if we say lose a Type A to the Sox for Wagner but get 2 Type A’s if we offer Gonzo and Roachie and lose both…do we net one extra first round pick?
November 3rd, 20093:17 pm
1. Jason Heyward, of
2. Freddie Freeman, 1b
3. Julio Teheran, rhp
4. Mike Minor, lhp
5. Craig Kimbrel, rhp
6. Christian Bethancourt, c
7. Randall Delgado, rhp
8. Zeke Spruill, rhp
9. Cody Johnson, of
10. Adam Milligan, of
Best Hitter for Average Jason Heyward
Best Power Hitter Cody Johnson
Best Strike-Zone Discipline Jason Heyward
Fastest Baserunner Kyle Rose
Best Athlete Mycal Jones
Best Fastball Craig Kimbrel
Best Curveball Caleb Brewer
Best Slider Cory Gearrin
Best Changeup Edgar Osuna
Best Control Mike Minor
Best Defensive Catcher Christian Bethancourt
Best Defensive Infielder Brandon Hicks
Best Infield Arm Brandon Hicks
Best Defensive Outfielder Jason Heyward
Best Outfield Arm Jason Heyward
Catcher Brian McCann
First Base Freddie Freeman
Second Base Martin Prado
Third Base Mycal Jones
Shortstop Yunel Escobar
Left Field Nate McLouth
Center Field Jordan Schafer
Right Field Jason Heyward
No. 1 Starter Tommy Hanson
No. 2 Starter Jair Jurrjens
No. 3 Starter Julio Teheran
No. 4 Starter Mike Minor
No. 5 Starter Javier Vasquez
Closer Craig Kimbrel
November 3rd, 20093:21 pm
beekay, was that 2013 projected lineup and starting rotation you came up with? if so, do you really think that Vazquez is going to still be wearing a Braves uni in 2013?
November 3rd, 20093:23 pm
The spectacularly named Starlin Castro (Cubs prospect) just went deep. Solar Sox up 1-0. Castro came in tied for league lead with a .423 average and 22 hits in 15 games. That was his first homer….
Funny moment in game yesterday. It’s dead quiet at these games, just so few people in stands. I’m down there behind home plate talking to a scout, and a player from Saguaros’ dugout says something to the ump that blue doesn’t like. It’s been going on a while I guess, but I don’t know. Anyway, ump rips off his mask and starts shouting as he walks toward the dugout telling the guy to shut it.
Saguaros manager David Bell, who was coaching third base (in front of his team’s dugout) immediately snaps to attention and starts walking toward the ump yelling, “Hey, you can’t be talking to my players like that!” And the ump tells him not to come any closer down the line, but Bell does anyway.
They get about 15-20 feet apart and calm down enough to ease the tension a bit without ejections or violence. It was great, though. And as soon as the ump goes back behind the plate, next pitch, a player or coach or someone in the dugout shouts out another sarcastic comment. Crowd is laughing through all this, and some fans are riding the ump a bit too.
November 3rd, 20093:24 pm
Dave – wow The Meat Puppets. I have not heard that band’s music in a long time. I believe they were on the soundtrack for the movie “Repo Man”.
November 3rd, 20093:25 pm
Hicks makes 3B look easy. But no, Braves aren’t thinking of playing him there to get him ready or anything. As Wren told me, his overall skills (exceptional) and range are suited for SS.
November 3rd, 20093:29 pm
Freeman’s coming to bat, man on first with none out in bottom fourth.
November 3rd, 20093:31 pm
I guess certain umps have always had that chip on their shoulder, but it seems more than a few have been a little too edgy the last few years. I’m not sure if it’s a power trip, bitter about how much players or even coaches are making these days, maybe just a mixture of both. Good Lord, that Haun guy is no doubt the worst of the worst & Joe West has to be the laziest.
beekay, that’s a damn good question about the draft picks situation. I’d like to know myself.
Fouled off a 1-1 pitch, then took one outside.
Fouled off a 2-2 pitch, then grounded out 4-3, runner advanced.
November 3rd, 20093:34 pm
Eat the money, trade Lowe. He’s the most overpaid and the oldest. Eat $15m and it’s a 3 year $30m for some other team and that’s more reasonable. When Vasquez threw the complete game loss, he won me over. Kawakami was mixed, but showed big heart. JJ and Hanson go nowhere.
November 3rd, 20093:36 pm
Hicks just hit an RBI single to left with two outs, tied the score.
Worst ball/strike ump… CB Bucknor.
Laziest, uninspired ump… West
Most annoying, but most enthused… the guy that does that near 1-80 pivot when calling a K
Biggest Ass… Haun–not really his ass, just his ass attitude… alright to cuss during the day here?
November 3rd, 20093:41 pm
Yeah it’s alright at this time of day. Kids all oughta be in school, right?
And to answer beekay’s question: Yes, if that all happened, the Braves would gain 1 draft pick during the supplemental round. It won’t happen though, because we can’t risk even the outside chance that Soriano would accept arbitration. No way we’re gonna pay that guy $9m+ next year. We need the cash.
November 3rd, 20093:42 pm
I’ve been going back and forth on this, but I think the best thing to do is trade Vasquez. If we can get an outfielder with some power for him, sign LaRoche for a year or two, we’ll be set. I also like the idea of getting Wagner, if it doesn’t cost too much. I loved Javy this year, but he’s the best chance we have to get something good in return. And, chances are, he’s not going to have the same type year next year. It will still be a great rotation.
Braves will be lucky, very, if a team is willing to take on even half his salary. They sure as hell didn’t want him when he was a FA coming off a year where he was one of the best pitchers in MLB the 2nd half. Why would they want him after a very mediocre season?
But, what do I know, I’m just a lonely blogger.
I’m still a little confused as to whether Soriano is that bad, or if Cox kind of misuses the bullpen.
November 3rd, 20093:44 pm
Picked up “Classic Puppets” a couple of months ago … didn’t really know what to expect, since I hadn’t heard much of them (other than Lake of Fire and Plateau), but I was pleasantly surprised … stuff’s weird, now, don’t get me wrong, but I can handle weird … it’s crap that I can’t handle
November 3rd, 20093:45 pm
Trade Vazquez for Derek Lee, Sign Billy Wagner and Matt Cameron.
Nobody wants Lowe and Matt Capps sucks.
ChipperFan, 9 & 10 year olds have blackberry’s these days. They probably use them in class.
Its Baseball America’s take…I was surprised that Schafer was not in the top 10…he has really fallen fast.
November 3rd, 20093:46 pm
Soriano isn’t bad at all. The issue is that if we’re going to pay somebody what Soriano would get in arbitration, we might as well just go get Billy Wagner for the same price. And if we’re NOT gonna pay that much, then let’s keep Gonzo who did a fine job for most of the year and clearly has what it takes to be a great closer. Just don’t pitch him 3 and 4 days in a row.
And yeah, Cox definitely misuses the bullpen.
Year Player, Position 2009
2000 Rafael Furcal, ss Dodgers
2001 Wilson Betemit, ss White Sox
2002 Wilson Betemit, ss White Sox
2003 Adam Wainwright, rhp Cardinals
2004 Andy Marte, 3b Indians
2005 Jeff Francouer, of Mets
2006 Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c Rangers
2007 Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c Rangers
2008 Jordan Schafer, of Braves
2009 Tommy Hanson, rhp Braves
TOP DRAFT PICKS
OF THE DECADE
Year Player, Position 2009
2000 Adam Wainwright, rhp Cardinals
2001 Macay McBride, lhp Tigers
2002 Jeff Francouer, of Mets
2003 Luis Atilano, rhp (1st round supp.) Nationals
2004 Eric Campbell (2nd round) Braves
2005 Joey Devine, rhp Athletics
2006 Cody Johnson, of Braves
2007 Jason Heyward, of Braves
2008 Brett DeVall, lhp Braves
2009 Mike Minor, lhp Braves
IN CLUB HISTORY
Mike Minor, 2009 $2,420,000
Jeff Francouer, 2002 $2,200,000
Kenshin Kawakami, 2009 $2,000,000
Matt Belisle, 1998 $1,750,000
Jason Heyward, 2007 $1,700,000
November 3rd, 20093:51 pm
Even when Wags was with the Mets and still a true #1 closer, he tended to fade late in the season. Hoffman was able to pull it off with his mind numbing change-up, but Wags relies a LOT more on his fastball, which is not good when you factor in the surgery and his age. I say no big money to the closer, do it by committee. Use closer money for 1b and just suck it up Braves and get a REAL outfielder (.290 30HR 100RBI). Nobody loves Adam Dunn, but what if he was our LF all year last year? Yeah.
November 3rd, 20093:54 pm
I love Dunn.
Brian in Villa Rica
Not that I am looking to trade Matt Diaz, but if we are looking for a big outfield bat and Heyward will be up in June and I know we aren’t looking to dump Schafer yet, who could we get if packaged Diaz and Vasquez? Is it possible that they package Freeman and Vazquez and go after a big and young bat for first base?
November 3rd, 20093:55 pm
Trade Lowe for Juan Pierre. He is a spare part for the Dodgers, they need starters, can afford Lowe (and he has been a Dodger before). We need speed as well as more pop, Let Pierre play LF, bat leadoff, steal 60+ bases. And this deal frees up real bucks for a power hitter at 1B or RF.
Another option is to trade with a team with an extra closer, like the Cubs. Maybe Lowe for Marmol and Hoffpauir.
Ray Pugh wants us to sign the erstwhile drummer for Soundgarden. Awesome!
November 3rd, 20093:58 pm
Strasburg pitched five strong innings yesterday (four hits, one run, one walk, six strikeouts) out here, lowered his ERA to 5.28 in four starts. Yes, he had allowed eight earned run (and three homers) in 10-1/3 innings in his first three starts.
He does have 17 strikeouts with five walks (and 14 hits) allowed in 15-1/3 innings.
But it makes you appreciate even more how dominant Hanson was against some very good young hitters out here last fall.
November 3rd, 20094:00 pm
OK, it appears as if the hottest topic around these parts is which Braves pitcher should be dealt and for what? Should it be Vazquez, Lowe, or Kawakami?
Am I the only one who thinks it wouldn’t be too far-fetched or unwise to move more than one of the aforementioned hurlers? Whether it’s Vazquez and KK? or Lowe and Vazquez? Either way, I think Vazquez is going to have to go, because it’s beyond obvious that he’ll be the only one who would command a big (enough) piece in return.
BUT, I don’t think it would be foolish for the Braves to move either Lowe or KK as well. Get what you can get – bench players, solid utility guys or young pitching help. Reason I say this is because, thus far, we’ve heard pretty solid reviews on Minor, and while he’s probably not ready for 2010, he probably (barring injury) will be ready by 2011, at the latest. The Braves could move KK or Lowe and get somebody (either through free agency or another trade, i.e. Kelly Johnson) to spell fifth starter for them.
OR, there is a guy who came up as a starter, who is currently residing in bullpen-land, by the name of Kris Medlen, who I think is ready for (at the very least) a fifth starter’s job.
Re-sign LaRoche, acquire a power-hitting (right-handed) outfielder, and plug in whatever other pieces you can acquire through trades (of Vazquez, Lowe, KJ).
All of that being said, I think Lowe is gonna come up big in 2010 … and I do mean, BIG. I don’t think he’ll pitch well enough to earn CY consideration, but my guess is he puts up similar numbers to the ones Vazquez put up this season. And who knows – if he does put up Vazquez (of 09) type numbers in 2010, and the Braves offense is even a little better than it was in 09, maybe it does earn him CY consideration.
November 3rd, 20094:01 pm
Freeman’s up with runners at first and second and one out….
And now he’s down. Flied out to medium center, not deep enough to advance runner.
November 3rd, 20094:02 pm
DOB, I used to work in the cigar business. Okay, I managed a shop in college. Anyhoo, we had a Padron-sponsored dinner once or twice, and Jorge (son of the founder, and I think CEO at this point) attended. Looks like Theo Epstein. Pronounced his first name “George”, if I recall. Very Americanized dude.
Anyhoo (can I say that twice?), he gave me a handful of some “special reserve” Aniversarios. They were all he smoked, and they were astoundingly good. Anyhoo (thrice!), they used to be relatively inexpensive and very awesome. I remember the 2/3000 series were only like $3-4, but this was in the late 90s.
(End pointless anecdote.)
November 3rd, 20094:04 pm
Jair and Medlen for Prince Fielder.
November 3rd, 20094:08 pm
I don’t see any way the Braves offer arbitration to Soriano, who made over $6 mill last season, but they could offer it to LaRoche and Gonzalez, assuring they’d get draft picks as compensation if they leave.
That sucks. The Soriano part, that is. Although I have come to the realization that it just doesn’t make sense to offer Soriano arb. Maybe a team will sign him before December 1st(last day a team can offer arbitration)? Wishful thinking. But some team may be dumb enough to do that. No reason not to offer arbitration to Gonzalez, imo. I think LaRoche is probably a no. Plus, it would only be a comp. pick they would get in return. But if the Braves are okay with him making 10 million(or close to it), then that would be great.
November 3rd, 20094:11 pm
And now he down. Flied out to medium center, not deep enough to advance runner.
Wren can say that now but I don’t see him supplanting Escobar unless he’s just that good and yeah, he isn’t…
Wouldn’t the team be better moving him now and getting him comfortable at 3b just in case he becomes Chipper’s replacement?
TnBrian – the further into Lowe’s contract the more tradeable he will be. nobody really wanted to give Lowe the 4 year contract but the Braves needing the starting pitching (nobody expected Vazquez to be as good as he was) and after the recent stinging free agent losses, the Braves had to bite the bullet and just get him signed.
If Lowe had even a slightly better year than he had, there would be teams willing to take a chance for 3 years $45 million (as opposed to a 4 year deal), especially with the poor free agent starting pitching class.
My guess is that the Braves trade Vazquez to get a top power bat this year. If Lowe has a good year this year I bet they trade him and his 2 year $30 million contract next offseason clearing a place for Minor.
That would give them some flexibility to try and extend Jurrjens, McCann, etc
November 3rd, 20094:13 pm
The Braves will offer LaRoche arbitration – if he accepts it there is our bridge to freeman without a long term contract (LaRoche will get a multiyear contract from somebody). The Braves would the focus trading a starting pitching for a young righty power hitting LF to balance the lineup.
November 3rd, 20094:14 pm
Trade Kawakami we was never impressed by them and knowing they can’t pitch is not good.
November 3rd, 20094:16 pm
I want to sign Chris Cornell?
November 3rd, 20094:17 pm
Lowell at 1b sounds interesting and I like his leadership and toughness, but his body is breaking down.
What were his numbers the last couple years in Boston and on the road?
Whats his contract situation look like?
Other than that, I like the idea of having Kimbrell up to begin the season, bringing Heyward up in June, signing Bay, offering arbitration to Gonzalez, and possibly signing Wagner to close anyways. Oh, and the biggest moves, non tendering Kelly Johnson, and granting Manny Acosta his unconditional release.
November 3rd, 20094:19 pm
On this day in history:
1974 – Bravos trade Hank Aaron to the Brewers for outfielder Dave May and a minor-league pitcher to be named later.
Brian, you made a lot of sense surmising Lowe could be traded after 2010 if he has a big season. Right now, we’d be selling low (no pun intended), but a bounceback season might give us a better return a year from now. I like it.
November 3rd, 20094:20 pm
There are limitations in trading Vazquez. With his no trade clause to all West clubs and the fact that the Yankees and White Sox have been there and done that, it may be harder than some think to find a trade partner. They won’t trade him in division, I would think. Plus, I doubt that the Red Sox, Royals, Pirates, Astros, Jays, Orioles, and Indians would have interest for various reasons.
So that leaves the Rays, Tigers, Twins, Brewers, Cardinals, Cubs, and Reds as potential trade partners for the Braves. I know, tons could change that can alter a team’s plans. So perhaps the Red Sox have an interest in Vazquez if they need the starting pitching depth. That type of stuff can happen.
November 3rd, 20094:23 pm
P-Town Brave: They obviously don’t think so, is all I can tell you.
Hey, the kid’s not ready for the majors yet offensively, and his trade value is higher as a shortstop, where teams can see him making strong plays on a daily basis. He certainly doesn’t have corner-outfield offense. Maybe some day he will, but for now they’d be happy to see him be a good-hitting shortstop.
Vasquez to the Brewers for Mat Gamel and JJ Hardy.
Vasquez to the Twins for Michael Cuddyer.
Vasquez to the Rays for B.J. Upton.
November 3rd, 20094:24 pm
Resign LaRoche and make Freeman part of a package to add power to the lineup. Yes, he’s a prospect, but that’s all he is. Who knows if he’ll pan out?
November 3rd, 20094:26 pm
Freeman’s out of game, Indians’ McBride moved from LF to 1B.
November 3rd, 20094:27 pm
Given the current state of the Braves system, I can’t stress how bad a move it would be to sign Wagner, IF the Red Sox offer him arbitration. I’m for giving up your first round pick if you are signing an impact player on a long term deal. But a 38 year old relief pitcher? I’d rather not go that route.
November 3rd, 20094:30 pm
When can you sign free agents?
What about trade for Adrian Gonzalez or Prince Fielder
November 3rd, 20094:32 pm
Well here’s an idea – maybe silly. What if Hanson closed for 1 season??? He could be lock down and should be durable. OK to laugh now.
November 3rd, 20094:33 pm
Vasquez to the Brewers for Mat Gamel and JJ Hardy.
Vasquez to the Twins for Michael Cuddyer.
I like Upton, but he isn’t really what the Braves need.
Cuddyer? Straight up for Vasquez? I’d want Aaron Hicks too.
Mat Gamel doesn’t really have a position and we have a shortstop and 2nd baseman who are better and cheaper.
November 3rd, 20094:35 pm
Ray Pugh – Matt Cameron. Though you are right about Cornell being the original (?) drummer. Love that guy.
Hanson is a starter. He’s a 10 year #1, you don’t mess with that. Period.
November 3rd, 20094:36 pm
Trade Vazquez for Derek Lee, Sign Billy Wagner and Matt Cameron. Ray Pugh
I think that the Seattle Pearl Jams have Matt Cameron locked up long-term.
November 3rd, 20094:37 pm
Is free agent signing two weeks after the world series?
Vazquez to my house to do some yard work. WTH
AZ Braves Fan
November 3rd, 20094:38 pm
What kind of schedule are the Fall League starters on? 5 days? 6 days? And how do you find out the probables? I’d like to go check out the Strasburg hype for myself. Supposedly he’s going to start Sat at the Rising Stars Showcase, but I can’t make that one. So how do I know the next start date?
Or why don’t we trade for Prince Fielder and then trade him for Adrian Gonzalez?
November 3rd, 20094:39 pm
I assume you meant corner infield?
And yes, I will agree that he has higher trade value as a SS, but since when did the Braves ever focus on trade value from players in the minors?
Finally, how do you feel about that giant target already on your Jayhawks backs?
November 3rd, 20094:40 pm
DOB, thanks for the new blog.
All signs point to Wren shopping Vazquez, I suppose. Hope he can swing a young power bat and, perhaps, a solid prospect.
Unlikely, but having LaRoche back by his accepting arb is better than his taking off and the team left with poorer choices to replace him for a season or so.
Hicks… Chipper’s not around forever, and I know that Escobar is establishing himself as an All-star shortstop, but I think he’s got the tools to play third (when Chipper hangs ‘em up). Hicks at short, Escobar at third – say, 2012?
Rob from SC
November 3rd, 20094:43 pm
I would like to keep an eye on Conor Jackson. Arizona might non tender him. He can play LF or 1B.
Alexander the Great
November 3rd, 20094:44 pm
David O’Brien –
If they traded Vazquez, would there ever be a concern that the Braves would have one starter that could strike someone out? That being Hanson. Lowe, Hudson, Kawakami and Jurrjens means many balls put in play which would put more pressure on a so-so defense. Thanks a million.
November 3rd, 20094:45 pm
Yes, he’s a prospect, but that’s all he is. Who knows if he’ll pan out?
Yeah, probably not much hope for a .300/.350/.450 19-year-old with a K/BB ratio of less than 2-to-1, 100+ XBH hits, and 30+ HR in his short minor league career.
Geez, you guys are starting to turn me into a prospect-hugger, LOL. The kid could go bust, sure, but he’s a lot closer to the bigs than the independent leagues, you know?
And, ozzie, it’s not a man-crush that makes me disagree with you on the guy…it’s just that I trust my own observations more than I do yours, LOL.
November 3rd, 20094:47 pm
have you picked up the new lynard skynard yet
Iwamura going to the Pirates, well I guess we really are getting into the swing of things for the offseason. I like that. If anyone cares, this is a surprising move for the Pirates to be making in my opinion.
November 3rd, 20094:54 pm
Not sure if you saw my question earlier but won’t we possibly get a few picks from possible signings of Roachy and Gonzo if we offer both arb and they sign elsewhere?…and if that were to happen would that mean that we can get a Wagner and still get an additional pick
Brad in MT
November 3rd, 20094:57 pm
Does anyone think Garrett Atkins might be a consideration for first base if we don’t resign Laroche? He didn’t have a great year last year but the previous two years he put up decent numbers, even if they were Coors aided. He is probably a trade, non-tender candidate since the Rockies seem to be going with Ian Stewart…I could see him being a one year bridge option at first IF and only if we get a big bat to play the outfield, plus he bats right handed…any thoughts?
If anyone cares, this is a surprising move for the Pirates to be making in my opinion.
Well, when’s the last time the Pirates have done anything that’s made sense?
November 3rd, 20094:59 pm
Been out of touch with the blog for too long. Any word on when the Braves are going to publish their spring schedule? The locals down here (Rays) had theirs out about weeks ago but can’t find anything on the Braves.
In terms of Lowe, I would obviously rather trade him than Vasquez based on performance. But, if you look at the record of each other the last 5 or more seasons, it was Lowe’s poor performance (I should say sub-par) last year that was more the anomaly than Vasquez’ great performance. (if that makes sense). So there is reason to believe he’ll be better next year.
If you can just dump Lowe’s salary, that’s 15 mil that could go towards that shiny new bat we are all looking for. So in sum, I say keep Vasquez no matter what, try to trade Lowe for anything cause just getting him off the books is worth a lot, but if we end up keeping Lowe, that’s coo…I like the guy on our team, just not sure he was worth the 15mil.
Also, with that said, it seems like every off season is a feeding frenzy for too few available free agent pitchers, maybe come Dec or Jan, a team like the Cubs would be willing to take on that salary. Worst case scenario, Lowe is on the 2010 Bravos and that ain’t too bad.
In terms of that righty bat, who is available this off season as a free agent, were we able to unload Lowe’s 15 mil?
November 3rd, 20095:00 pm
Brad in MT, I think Atkins would be a great candidate for a bargain-FA deal/stop gap for Freeman if he’s non-tendered. He kills lefties and could play 3b too when Chipper needs to sit (although he’s not great over there I don’t think)
November 3rd, 20095:01 pm
I’m well aware of the financial implications of shopping Lowe but I’d much rather have Vazy over Lowe
Javy: great innings eater (averaged 7 innings per start in his last 10 games), great strikeout numbers, great ERA, always got good run support
Lowe: averaged 5 innings per start his last 10 games, had fewer Ks than Hanson (who had 13 fewer starts than Lowe), ERA close to 5, and got run support but always seemed to need more.
If they trade Javy I’ll hope beyond hope he pitches up to the money he was given and hope that it won’t come back to bite them.
November 3rd, 20095:02 pm
Totally agree with you on Wagner (if the Sox offer arbitration).
Further, I have agreed with your posts of the last few weeks about the state of the Braves minor league system. As usual, you have it nailed.
And no way we would ever call you Furman…..
November 3rd, 20095:05 pm
Jeffery D- they had been on a good track for most of the past year. But I guess it is always hard to resist temptation to go back to old ways
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Mike Lowell – 12m for 2010, FA 2011
2007 154 games/17 HR/73 RBI/.324 AVG
November 3rd, 20095:07 pm
they had been on a good track for most of the past year
Really? I can’t remember exactly, but I didn’t think the Pirates got much for Bay, Nady, etc.
What an intelligent post, Sunny Clusters.
P. W. Hjort
November 3rd, 20095:09 pm
For me, Teheran > Freeman.
November 3rd, 20095:10 pm
Hmm, I didn’t realize the Pirates got Bay and Oliver Perez for Brian Giles. Guess they haven’t been all bad.
November 3rd, 20095:15 pm
I think the Pirates are doing the right thing, which is what makes the Iwamura thing strange. They haven’t gotten a lot in return on the bulk of those trades, but it looks almost like they wanted to start from scratch – save a ton of money and add depth in the minors.
Well, maybe I shouldn’t have said “the right thing”, but it’s got to be better than what they’ve done since 1992. Doesn’t it?
November 3rd, 20095:19 pm
Hey Dave you gotten Hudson mad again? Saying he’s a guearentee to sign with the Braves.
i’m surprised they would trade for a abatration player who will be getting a riase up into the 4-5 million range.
Matt Capps should be a fallback option for our bullpen, considering the Buss love trading any player away.
If Billy Wagner doesnt get a arbitration offer from the Sox we should go after him, he said he wants to close next year and thats would be a sure thing coming too Atlanta.
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November 3rd, 20095:20 pm
“there are more questions there than I would prefer for the #2 prospect of the entire system. What does that say about guys who are rated lower? maybe worries is a bit too strong a word”
Well fortunately, it doesn’t say anything bad about the rest of our top 10. He’s only ranked ahead of one prospect, Kimbrel, who is closer to the majors than he is. Everyone else behind him is farther away from the majors, although Minor might make a race of it due to his age and experience level.
It does say that our AAA and AA teams were largely bereft of talent. I know some don’t like me beating the drum that we’ve traded away our prospects far too freely, but seriously we were dry in the upper reaches of our minors until the younger guys earned promotions.
Homer,use spell check.
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