4:58 pm October 28, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 28th, 20099:24 pm
I don’t like it either – he looks goofy. Without the beard, he looks funny goofy. With the beard, he looks ugly goofy.
I think JJ should be in that group , 2 seasons 72 starts 30 wins 21 losses 3.21 ERA 434 INN just imagine if he had Lowes run support your looking at a 20 game winner.
October 28th, 20099:25 pm
You know, I’d prefer to keep Jurrjens, but we’re talking like he’s Maddux or Clemens here. If we could get a ready top hitting prospect for him, I’d be all for it.
October 28th, 20099:26 pm
Well, I’m ready to see Marvin Williams & Josh Smith take the next step. Marvin’s gotta stay healthy and Smith has to start making free throws. 50/50 just doesn’t cut it.
October 28th, 20099:27 pm
Without the beard, he looks funny goofy. With the beard, he looks ugly goofy
Well said. I can’t tell if it’s a new beard or if it just doesn’t grow in thick, but it’s weak.
What’re ya tryin’ to say, DOB?
JJJ will not be traded?
Oh, and FYI – the Pacers haven’t scored since I started watching.
October 28th, 20099:29 pm
Alright, so if Marvin, Josh Smith, and Horford all take the next step, we’ll be fine.
October 28th, 20099:30 pm
JJ Last 10 starts of the season 71.2 innings 5W 2L 1.76 ERA 9 of 10 games he pitched 7 innings or more. Better run support he would be in the mix for the Cy.
October 28th, 20099:31 pm
Well, lucky charms where were you during the first 3 1/2 quarters?
October 28th, 20099:33 pm
I agree that in no way should the Braves trade Jurrjens. If the Braves even consider trading him it should be for Ryan Braun or someone of that sort. A young, dominant hitting position player who is under contract for more years than we have jair including his arbitration.
I have to think that FW is drooling over the opportunity of having a core rotation of Jurrjens, Hanson, and Hudson for the next 3 years with some combination of Lowe, Vazquez, Medlen, or eventually Minor filling the next 2 spots in the rotation
October 28th, 20099:35 pm
Shoot, they scored…I was hoping I really was lucky. Like I watch the entire Hawks/Lakers game and we win 97-0
October 28th, 20099:37 pm
Either by Friday or early next week for Hudson, I’m told. If it’s not announced in next two days, I don’t think Braves will announce it this weekend since they know it’ll be completely overshadowed by football (a lot of media folks down at UF-Georgia game and in New Orleans for Falcons Monday nighter).
P. W. Hjort
JJ Last 10 starts of the season 71.2 innings 5W 2L 1.76 ERA 9 of 10 games he pitched 7 innings or more. Better run support he would be in the mix for the Cy.
Probably not. I mean, he’d be in the conversation, but probably wouldn’t get serious consideration.
October 28th, 20099:40 pm
Is the sound on Fox messed up for anyone else?
October 28th, 20099:41 pm
Or is it just my TV?
October 28th, 20099:42 pm
If the Braves parted ways with Javier Vazquez, the Braves’ rotation would no longer be relevant.
Greg in TN
Pitching trumps everything, denizens. Especially quality young pitching under club control for the near term. Frank Wren would have to listen if Milwaukee came calling with Ryan Braun wanting to pry JJJ from the Braves, however I’m pretty confident that said call isn’t coming from the 414 area code.
DOB, was going to comment on the state of affairs in Dodgerland this afternoon, however time kept me from doing so. Quite interesting to see the accusations flying to and fro from the McCourts. This not too long after John Moores being forced to sell the Padres after divorce proceedings began. With the Giants and Diamondbacks being controlled by ownership groups, maybe the NL West won’t become a full fledged soap opera yet.
My gut says Yankees in 6, my heart says 7 scoreless ties.
October 28th, 20099:43 pm
No dont trade jj who ever thinks that needs to have their balls choped off lol
Keep in mind there’s no basis to these JJ rumors. It’s just a bunch of grumbling from the loonies.
October 28th, 20099:44 pm
What kind of hitter can you get for Javy Vazquez?
October 28th, 20099:45 pm
Again, Xavier Nady had Tommy John surgery on July 10. AND IT WAS HIS SECOND TJ SURGERY.
Who is going to play 1B for the first 100 or so games next year on this plan?
Nady also has played four innings of 1B in the last three years.
Wait until the reality of a LFer playing 1B sets in.
October 28th, 20099:47 pm
I can’t think of a trade that is worth giving up JJ with the trade being “doable”.
Take the next two years as a blessing and work with Boras then.
Phillies in 5
October 28th, 20099:58 pm
P. W. Hjort
well atleast he would be in the conversation. he gets no props or coverage from any media or anything. He would get serious consideration if he had more W’s cause they value those so much in voting. JJ has 18-20 W’s i bet will hear his name. Give this braves team a big bat in the middle and we’ll have 4 15+ gm winners
October 28th, 200910:00 pm
Fox has been having sound issues. It was making these same weird noises during the Steelers/Vikings game on Sunday too.
Ryan Ludwick is mentioned as possible trade chips for the Cards. He would be a good fit.
October 28th, 200910:01 pm
Keep in mind a lot of people think you cann just stick anybody at 1B and it’ll work out perfectly…
October 28th, 200910:03 pm
Enter your comments here
Yep lol everyone thinks 1st base is so easy to play
October 28th, 200910:04 pm
Haaa, I love how Lee caught that pop up. Super chill.
October 28th, 200910:05 pm
Short of getting a real superstar and two more people no! I’m tired of trading our good talent away and watching them prosper for other teams…I mean we almost single handedly helped Texas get in the playoffs this year just from the Tex trade…. If he doesnt have more than two years before he can become a free agent then no…….Get us Pujols and we can trade JJ
October 28th, 200910:06 pm
NO, DONT TRADE THE 1ST OR 2ND BEST PLAYER YOU HAVE. TRADE THE WORTHLESS LARRY JONES AND FREE UP MONEY TO BUT ANOTHER PLAYES.
DOB, I’d like to know what you think of Ludwick & him as a guy to go after. I’d think if St.Louis intends to sign Holliday then Ludwick will be traded for pitching, which we have.
October 28th, 200910:08 pm
If we butted more playes, we’d be in the world series right now. Good call, John.
Anyone who thinks all those short hops that Adam LaRoche or Casey Kotchman so routinely scoop out of the dirt will continue to be outs with a LFer or a C (any catcher, not just BMac ) playing first will need to think it over some more.
October 28th, 200910:09 pm
McCarver and Buck are annoying enough on their own, but I can’t listen to this. I had to change it
if you are willing to help me get to a braves game next year, click this link. (no it’s not spam or a virus, etc.)
October 28th, 200910:11 pm
Butted? That’s a new one.
Yeah. I’ve often thought it looks kinda tricky…
(any catcher, not just BMac )
Yeah, like, I betcha even Mauer couldn’t do it!
October 28th, 200910:12 pm
jeffrey d, your 9:25 about people talking Jurrjens up like he’s the next Maddux or Clemens was just dumb. Check out Maddux’s stats when he was a 23 year old kid & you can bet he wasn’t as good as JJ is at 23. Come on, of course he could turn into a Maddux, especially if he tones down his walks. Movement on his pitches remind me of Maddux but mostly JJ is like Maddux in that he knows what he’s doing on the mound.
Well, the phrase was “BUT MORE PLAYES” but I figured “butted” is the correct past tense.
October 28th, 200910:13 pm
Lowe for Mathews Jr???
October 28th, 200910:14 pm
Javy should net us someone that can bat cleanup. Look for teams that are loaded with batters and are looking for pitchers. He prolly couldnt net us a younger slugger under contract, but someone around 30 y/o maybe has 2 years on his contract remaining. He is prolly our best best at landing a really good hitter. But i think were better off keeping him and trying to sign him like were doing with Huddy. We gotta try and trade Lowe for a small return so we wont have to eat some contract. Use that money for the bullpen and a vetern outfielder, someone like Garret Anderson but has to play better D. We have Schafer and Heyward still not knowing if they make the team…… Resign Rochy. that wouldnt be too bad, considering we used the money from Lowe to solify bullpen and also help resigning Vasquez. Or we could trade Lowe for a equal bad contract bat team in need of pitching, but the bat would be a older player like lowe with the bad contract prolly will have some pop. never know what Wren will do.
October 28th, 200910:15 pm
rufues (October 28th, 2009 7:05 pm): “Lets trade Jair Jurrjens, and get bring back Don Sutton, that about the level of the Braves mentality. They have become a joke, they don’t think, they’ll most likely try to bring back the three scrooges. They Braves big wheel are making to much money and have to much free time on their hands. They ignore the fact that one should not throw the baby out with the water. But,to no ones surprise on how the Braves do things like, picking any players or picking quality players. Maybe they just can’t tell the different’s or maybe just don’t care, on what they put on the field next year.”
Go back to sleep, Rip. False alarm.
. . .
Jerry (October 28th, 2009 7:11 pm): “And you do not trade Vazquez this year. Maybe after next season if you cannot sign him.”
2010 is the last year Vazquez is under contract to the Braves. They won’t have him to trade after next season unless they do extend him.
Truth is, VaBraveFan, you have no clue how much the Braves offered Teixeira during 2008 ST.
CJ (October 28th, 2009 7:51 pm): “No, I don’t think the Braves have any plans at all to trade JJ. However, if they were offered Evan Longoria, Matt Kemp, Adrian Gonzalez, Justin Upton, or Ryan Braun for him they would be stark raving MAD not to accept – and quickly.”
And which of the other five teams involved in that trade would keep JJJ?
Or would they share him?
October 28th, 200910:17 pm
TnBrian – All I’m saying is if the right offer comes along, I wouldn’t be upset if we traded JJ for a top, major league ready hitting prospect. We’ve got a lot of pitchers, and an iffy offense.
But all this is a moot point because, like I said, all this JJ talk is only coming from the loonies.
October 28th, 200910:24 pm
Thats a comparable trade, i still rather have Lowe. Matthews Jr. has been a role/bench player for past 2 years and number got worse each year. He is 35 y/o and has 2 years left on contract 23 mil total. Switch hitter who can play all 3 outfield spots and can still run well. I dont see him being to great offensivly, but he wants to be traded cause he wants to start. If they do the deal st8 up will save around 3.5 million for payroll. If he plays everyday he might hit 15 homers and steal 10 bags hit around 250.ish and play ok defense. we would be paying him around 11.5 mil each year. i think Lowe has more value than that. But if they throw in a prospect or 2 might be a ok deal, considering they prolly wont bring back Lackey
DOB…is that McMurtry song from his new album. I ordered the special combo pack (DVD, CD and LP) and am awaiting it’s arrival..
October 28th, 200910:25 pm
jeffrey d, JJ won’t be traded, you’re right. The way people are talking about Heyward he could be the next Braun or Longoria, so I’d just ask those people why even trade JJ for what you might already have coming up soon.
October 28th, 200910:27 pm
I agree, you can’t even consider trading JJ unless somebody calls with an absolutely overwelming offer, and then only maybe.
I picked the Phils in 6 or 7.Something about that bunch puts me in mind of the Big Red Machine of yester-yore.Chase Utley is the glue that binds in my opinion.
Do you think the Hudson “signing” means Wren has suitors for Lowe? I don’t think they would trade KK at this point and negate the bridge they are trying to build to the pacific.
I know you’re a fan of Curb. Do you think Larry David went too far with the Jesus painting episode? Just curious, I’m taking opinions on that one.
why would you trade him for a top prospect? we already have one of those. the only way they’d ever consider it would be for a superstar, braun, longoria type
October 28th, 200910:29 pm
why would you trade him for a top prospect? we already have one of those
Because Heyward’s no Tim Tebow. He can’t do everyhing by himself.
We could get a lot in return for Jurjens in a trade. It may be too good to turn down.
Who knows what players would be discussed but if we could get say Loney & Kemp or Justin Upton & Mark Reynolds in return, how could you say no to that. Sounds like Jurjens will be gone in a few seasons anyway. The Braves don’t play the Scott Boras game.
October 28th, 200910:32 pm
Wish we had Rollins.
October 28th, 200910:33 pm
Love that mic on the base btw. how nice does that slide sound?
DOB, we’re all bored waiting for the stove to heat up, so thanks for helping us pass the time. But why don’t you address one of the more credible rumors out there first, like Pujols for Norton, with St. Louis throwing in cash to cover the salary difference?
Heck, in your online poll, only 5 of the first thousand voters to this blog thought JJ would be traded. Think about how many contrarians there are on here – people who love to squawk just to rile up the crowd. Yet not even one percent will bite on that one? You could pile up more votes on a poll suggesting Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds will be first-ballot HOFers.
Even the usual nutjobs are staying away from this “rumor.”
We gave up a ton for Tex it was a bad trade. only a good trade if we resigned him.
N. Perez awsome arm in majors flamethrower
Salty Switch hitting catcher with potential
Elvis Andrus 20 y/o in majors could be rookie of year plays gold glove defense futuire all star
Matt Harrison Top pitching prospect at the time. tailed off this year but has plenty of potential
Beua Jones Lefty with potential
thats alot, just Perez and Andrus was alot for a rental, the braves dont open the wallet enough to keep players like him.
October 28th, 200910:38 pm
For what it’s worth, it’s been about 2.5 years since we traded for Tex, and we’re still not hurting (except for about 30 innings from Feliz).
October 28th, 200910:39 pm
we actaully signed McCann to a 6 year 26.8 million deal And there saying Mauer will get around 20 million a year…… Yeah Mauer is the best at the position but Mac is number 2 and thats a huge margin of difference. Were lucky to have McCann.
October 28th, 200910:40 pm
maybe we don’t sign the lowe contract with harrison feliz so close though. less pressure. but fair observation.
Steve from OH
October 28th, 200910:42 pm
We don’t sign the Lowe contract with Harrison in our system? Hogwash. Harrison never had a future here and probably won’t have much of a big-league career.
October 28th, 200910:43 pm
I never got why some people were so high on Matt Harrison. Granted, all I’ve seen is numbers, but to me they never screamed anything special.
Plus, there’s nowhere for Salty and Andrus to play anyway.
however much we overpaid for Tex, it is not nearly as much as the Yankees overpaid. Most of those players were blocked with the Braves anyway.
October 28th, 200910:44 pm
You forgot Elvis Andrus, be nice to have him and Escobar up the middle for this defense. Andrus is 20 years old and playing gold glove SS hitting for a decent average and stealing some bases , he is gonna be something special. Feliz looks awesome , has closer stuff with a starters stamina. If he was hear we would Gonzo and Soriano walk Feliz would be new closer. Terrible trade unless we locked Tex up. The Braves expect everyone from Georgia to take a hometown discount. Switch hitting gold glove mvp caliber 1st baseman u dont let them walk away and u expect him to want to sign his last big contract at the age of 28. nuff said….
October 28th, 200910:46 pm
You forgot Elvis Andrus, be nice to have him and Escobar up the middle for this defense.
And where’s he going to play? Shortstop 2? With Renteria and Escobar, Andrus would’ve been traded anyway…it was just a necessar evil that all these top guys had to be traded in the same deal.
nothin’ personal at all, but keep the pitchers; trade Chipper.
October 28th, 200910:49 pm
Tonight is the first time a Yankee team has played a World Series game without Bob Sheppard at the mic doing public address since game 4 of the 1950 fall classic, which was a four game sweep of… drumroll please… The Philadelphia Phillies.
Doesn’t look like it’ll be a Yankee sweep to this point thanks to the efforts of Lee, Utley and Ibanez.
October 28th, 200910:52 pm
I believe you misread the conjunction in the last thing you quoted in your 10:15. He said “or”, not “and”.
Shortstops with great ability can easily make a transition to 2nd base. I’m not arguing your points i’m saying those 2 guys we traded are the real deal. after next season there gonna be like JJ.
October 28th, 200910:53 pm
We darn sure aren’t trading Chip. He comes back to life next season or he walks away from a hall of fame career with Cox.
Anyone else worried about watching the sports south/fsn games next season without Boog to lighten up Simpson? Please tell me Chip isn’t the replacement. Just a rumor, but I heard Steve Phillips is looking for work.
October 28th, 200910:56 pm
Not sure where all this trade Chipper talk is coming from, but he has a no trade clause.
the real Andy
October 28th, 200910:58 pm
if the braves trade jj, i quit. that said, no way it happens.
Chipper is a 10/5. He is in Atlanta until the end of his contract, unless he decides to retire before then.
October 28th, 200911:04 pm
Unless we are getting Albert Pujols (with his contract paid by the Cardinals) for Jurrjens, trading him would be stupid.
October 28th, 200911:05 pm
Chipper is still a HOF even if he reitred after next year. 6 time Allstar 99 MVP 1995 WS Champion 2008 Batting Title 440ish HR 308. Career Avg One of the greatest switchhitters ever, tied the record of 20+ homers in 14 consecutive years, never had a 100 strikeout season, finshes with 100+ more BB than K’s. he is a lock, he doesnt need the 500 homer achievement,
October 28th, 200911:06 pm
VaBraveFan (October 28th, 2009 6:28 pm): “We should have signed Tex before he even made it to FA. Give the man a good offer from the start, he didnt want to play in Atl cause we prolly offered a bullcrap contract named Hometown Discount from the start, instead of paying the player on how they produce. . . . Tex got a crap 1st offer is why he totally didnt want to be here, we prolly acted like he was Chipper or somthing and offered 13 mil a year, for one of the best players in the game thats an insult.”
Truth is, VaBraveFan, you have no clue how much the Braves offered Teixeira during 2008 ST. Y.A.I.
Thanks, P. W. Hjort.
(Funny thing is, I caught it in Tomas’ at 9:24, but failed to double check CJ’s. My bad, all. My cue to retire, I think.)
October 28th, 200911:09 pm
Trade JJ? Yes, definitely. Easy decision. Him for Puholz straight up any day. Otherwise, NO! Remember the nineties? All about the great young pitching, and he’s probably nowhere near his prime yet.
October 28th, 200911:13 pm
I hate the Yankees and am pulling for the Phillies. But…… if the Phils win back to back series it will only make what the Braves did in the 90s look even more weak than it already does in my opinion. Also will Charlie Manuel be known as a hall of fame manager? I mean the point is to win a series title right? Not just get into the playoffs a gazillion times and flop.
October 28th, 200911:14 pm
Yeah that is true but it was obviously not what he was looking for……. Its like Letting Chipper walk when he signed his huge deal back in the day, only difference is Chipper wanted to be a brave and was willing to take less, (6yr 90 mil) Team has to pay for a slugger sometime soon….
Him for Puholz straight up any day
I can’t tell if that’s for real or not…
October 28th, 200911:15 pm
VaBraveFan (October 28th, 2009 10:39 pm): “we actaully signed McCann to a 6 year 26.8 million deal And there saying Mauer will get around 20 million a year…… Yeah Mauer is the best at the position but Mac is number 2 and thats a huge margin of difference. Were lucky to have McCann.”
Sounds like “a bullcrap contract named Hometown Discount” to me; you know, “the braves dont open the wallet enough to keep players like him.”
Well, it’s only a couple nights into the new NBA season but…
So much is said about the “Big 5″ in the NBA, right now; the 5 teams with a shot at a championship this year. And while I agree that all 5 have a legitimate shot, I think the Celtics, Lakers, and Spurs are a notch above the Magic and Cavs.
Just watched the Spurs in action tonight, and I think that might be the best Spurs team I’ve seen yet, which is saying something after 4 championships. Can’t wait for the conference finals. The playoffs are going to be very, very special next year.
October 28th, 200911:17 pm
October 28th, 200911:18 pm
the flyin hawaian knows no fear.
October 28th, 200911:19 pm
We signed him before he really emerged as the best catcher in the NL, McCann values the organiztion and values security of the long term deal offered to him at the time. He’ll get another big contract and he’ll stay with the Braves cause he seems like a Chipper Jones and wants to be here.
Tom (San Francisco, CA)
Should Freddie Freeman’s performance thus far in the Arizona Fall League be a cause for concern?
I had a scout tell me he was disappointed in Freeman’s bat speed and athleticism. But Freeman had wrist problems during the season, and it often takes a long time for a hitter to recover from that. I don’t place a lot of stock in AFL performance and I’m not alarmed by Freeman’s.
October 28th, 200911:21 pm
As a Braves fan I couldn’t be more exicted about having one of the game’s top prospects (if not the top prospect) in Jayson Heyward. But after him I worry about the depth of the farm system. How would you rate the overall strength of the farm as compared to other organizations?
I haven’t lined up all the systems, but I was shocked at the Braves’ lack of depth, considering they always seem to have a Top 10 system. But once you get past Heyward, Freeman, Teheran, Minor and Kimbrel, it falls off quickly. Particularly in terms of position players.
Chipper’s HOF Resume
1st pick overall in the 1990 amateur draft
TSN Rookie of the Year (1995)
6-time All-Star (1996-98, 2000-01, 2008)
National League MVP (1999)
2-time Silver Slugger at 3rd base (1999-2000)
Holds the Major League record for most consecutive games with an extra-base hit (14; tied with Paul Waner).
8 consecutive 100+ RBI seasons (1996-2003)
14 consecutive 20+ home run seasons (1995-2008); tied for MLB record with Eddie Mathews for most 20+ home run seasons to start a career
Most home runs in a season by a National League switch hitter (45; in 1999; tied with Lance Berkman, although Jones completed the task first.)
Third-most home runs for a switch hitter, behind Eddie Murray (504) and Mickey Mantle (536)
Hit the first home run at Nationals Park in Washington, D.C. (2008)
400 Home Runs (hit 400th off Ricky Nolasco of the Florida Marlins) (June 5, 2008)
Most Home Runs to begin a career playing under one manager (Bobby Cox)
NL Player of the Week (June 2–June 8, 2008)
2008 NL (and MLB) Batting Champ with .364
2008 Highest On Base Percentage with .470
29 game hitting streak vs the Philadelphia Phillies
October 28th, 200911:22 pm
Never! Your work here is necessary and appreciated.
Phuck tha Fillies.
October 28th, 200911:30 pm
OK, you do not want to trade JJ for Ryan Braun. But, let’s look at it.
Steve Avery was every bit the pitcher JJ is and a case could be made that he had a better upside. Let’s just look at it.
Avery (91 – 93)
W/L 47 – 25 3.17 ERA SO/BB 2.18 WHIP 1.199
Jurrjens (08 – 09)
W/L 27 – 20 3.10 ERA SO/BB 1.287 WHIP 1.287
Avery is every bit the pitcher and maybe more.
But if you could trade JJ for an up and coming SuperStar LFer named Ryan Braun, would you?
Look at what would have happened if after the 93 season, the Braves traded Avery for Bobby Bonds.
I just used the first four years for Bonds. He primarily would have replaced Ryan Klesko but Klesko was much stronger than several other outfielders the Braves used in 94 – 97. But look at what Bonds would have done for the Braves offense.
Bobby Bonds (94 – 97)
Averaged 38 HR’s and 34 SB’s
I just could not turn down the possibility that Ryan Braun could give the 2010 – 2014 Braves something similar to the Bonds numbers. You still trade Lowe as well to make the payroll numbers work, but the rotation would still have Hanson, Vazquez, Hudson to anchor the rotation.
October 28th, 200911:33 pm
keylargo–I assume you mean Barry Bonds and not his father.
October 28th, 200911:34 pm
Chipper is also one of 10 NL players to post a .470+ OBP in a single season.
October 28th, 200911:36 pm
I completly agree with that. With Hanson, Huddy, Vasquez already in place, that would be a no brainer to accept. But the Brewers would never do that cause u dont let players like him go. You dont let a franchise player leave or trade em away unless it makes total sense. Yes they need pitching but if i had Braun i would ask for more than JJ lol
October 28th, 200911:38 pm
good one, wiki doesnt have that. I read someone say if he struggles and retires with Bobby he would be walking away from a HOF career, he is already a hall of famer with his credentials he has now.
October 28th, 200911:39 pm
Well I know that JJ isn’t going to be traded any more than braun will be traded by Milwaukee. Of course you would trade him if you could get a Pujols but I prefer to stick to reality. Me personally I wouldn’t even trade him for Braun. Hanson and JJ form a nice young tandem for the top of a rotation and the value they bring at their price right now makes it even more unthinkable to trade one. Braun is a great young player and is currently part of an offense that was pretty good last year but it got them nowhere without pitching.
Phillies best the Yanks in game one. All the Yanks big bats went cold. Lee pitched a good game. Will be intersting to see how they fare against Pedro tomorrow.
October 28th, 200911:42 pm
You forgot to mention that Chipper tied the Major League record for longest Extra-Base Hitting Streak…what was it, 14 games?
October 28th, 200911:45 pm
Nevermind. My reading comprehension skills are diminishing as we speak…
October 28th, 200911:46 pm
I should have put it in that Avery never really had another dominant year after 93. That was basically my point in that pitchers are much more likely to have a career altering injury than position players and that if I had my choice, I would take the position player.
Avery’s career wound down with his best seasons being 10, 8, 7, 7 and 6 wins after 47 in his first 3 years. You would feel like the smartest man in the world if you had Bonds on your team in 94.
And yes Moe, I saw Barry’s Dad Bobby play too. Sorry I mixed up the names.
October 28th, 200911:47 pm
the only way i even consider trading jair is if we are getting prince ..even then i still dont know..jurrjens isnt going anywhere…who’s going to give up alot for javy? hes going to be a free agent after the year…and we should not try to get matthews jr..
My gut says Yankees in 6, my heart says 7 scoreless ties. Greg in TN
My heart calls for a bloody brawl…or some similar incentive to actually watch the games.
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