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wjones
November 2nd, 2009
4:24 pm
“Rock on…..
November 2nd, 2009
3:42 pm
Random…spin it anyway you want but no I don’t agree. That’s OK. I still would have started Lee with hopes to even the series. I would not have started Blanton to accomplish that. They could still win it tied 2-2 and have Lee going in game 7 if need be. Most likely they can’t win it now but I guess stranger things have happened. We’ll see. I will owe you a Big Orange if the Phillies pull this one off not to mention the heckling from a certain denizen troll if I am wrong.”
So supposing you start Lee in Games 4 & 7, what is your strategy for Games 5 & 6?
Thrillhouse44
November 2nd, 2009
4:25 pm
Rogers’ link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-01-rogers-whispers-nov01,0,2956243.column
The Braves are expected to shop Javier Vazquez after signing Tim Hudson to a three-year contract extension. …
ncscoots
November 2nd, 2009
4:26 pm
I [n8, nee nathan]started blogging in 2006.
Gawd, LOL, sure seems a lot longer than THAT, my friend.
balla1881
November 2nd, 2009
4:28 pm
rico43
November 2nd, 2009
4:15 pm
People seem to keep missing this: DeVall will not pitch in 2010. Tommy John rears his surgery.
Where is it said that he’s having tommy John?
CB
November 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm
Excuse me,somebody tell me how the writer in Chicago knows Vazquez will be shopped but the writers in Atlanta do not? Sounds like a made up rumor to me.
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
4:30 pm
Clock on HUDSON starts tomorrow.
ncscoots
November 2nd, 2009
4:31 pm
The Braves are expected to shop Javier Vazquez after signing Tim Hudson to a three-year contract extension. – Phil Rogers
Phil is just trying to make Lew’s head explode. Nothing more.
Random
November 2nd, 2009
4:33 pm
CB (November 2nd, 2009 4:30 pm): “Excuse me,somebody tell me how the writer in Chicago knows Vazquez will be shopped but the writers in Atlanta do not?”
A leftover White Sox connexxion, perhaps?
Random
November 2nd, 2009
4:35 pm
richbrave (November 2nd, 2009 4:30 pm): “Clock on HUDSON starts tomorrow.”
Don’t count on it — Lee’s going tonight for the Phillies, and Dadgum SWEARS that he cannot lose.
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
4:35 pm
rico43
November 2nd, 2009
4:15 pm
People seem to keep missing this: DeVall will not pitch in 2010. Tommy John rears his surgery.
I totally missed that one. I’ll admit that the only sources I have for keeping tabs on prospects are
1. this blog, which I did not read during the season as I can’t stand the average poster who comes on to complain about every single decision.
2. the official milb site. I read every box score every day, but never found much news on there
I can definitely see why he wouldn’t make the top 10 though with such a surgery coming up.
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
4:36 pm
So do we trade VASQUEZ for that big bat we need and then sign the CUBAN phenom AROLDIS CHAPMAN to replace him, keeping LOWE and KAWAKAMI until he’s ready?
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
4:36 pm
Really? Why not? (N8)
It was mostly a light-hearted jab, Nate. I think you have good intentions now, but I just don’t think you could get through a close WS when our Cleanup hitter was hitting under 200 without complaining about it. Maybe I’m doing you an injustice, but you do like to go on….;)
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
4:37 pm
I have to say this blog is way above the rest though. Any football blog seems devoid of actual thought and instead is just a 4th grade recess argument.
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
4:37 pm
RANDOM:
SWELL by me. I hate the STANKIES!!!!
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
4:37 pm
Talked to a couple of scouts who said they really liked Minor, that he’s a polished guy with a plus-changeup, 91-92 fastball today, good breaking ball and slider, and great mound presence. Talked to a Rays scout, said they drafted him out of high school and that he’s come a long way since then.
Both scouts I talked to said Braves got a good pick at that spot in the draft, that Minor is a solid pitcher, low-risk guy who knows how to pitch and has good stuff.
ncscoots
November 2nd, 2009
4:38 pm
“Shopping” the guy and “trading” the guy are two different things, anyway. No reason that the Braves shouldn’t shop him, if only to get a sense of value for forwarding any extension talks that might come up. If they try to move Lowe and can’t, for whatever reason, they have to have some Plan B, somewhere, somehow. Besides, conversation with other GMs costs nothing.
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
4:39 pm
I think the only way we sign an Aroldis Chapman is by trading Vasquez for a cheap big stick and also trading Lowe and using Medlen as the 5th starter.
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
4:40 pm
The Braves are expected to shop Javier Vazquez after signing Tim Hudson to a three-year contract extension. …Chicago Tribune
That’s what DOB was referring to from Chicago. Does that mean a three year extension in addition to the option year? I am asking is this going to end up being a three year or four year deal?
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
4:40 pm
Thanks for the heads up on MINOR chief. Are you doing the JEROME, ARIZONA thing this year?
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
4:41 pm
The Braves are expected to shop Javier Vazquez after signing Tim Hudson to a three-year contract extension (Thrill)
why would we think he knows anything about what the Braves are gonna do?
They might shop him, but if so I bet it’s cause they didn’t get the right responses from shopping someone else(s)
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
4:43 pm
The Sags are getting hammered 7-2, by the way. ‘Pen gave up five runs while I was down there finding a photog and talking to scouts.
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
4:43 pm
the rumor probably comes from the fact that it makes alot of sense for the braves to test the market for vazquez. there have also been rumors of them testing the market for lowe and kawakami. it makes sense for wren to explore what he can get for any of those guys.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
4:44 pm
Gawd, LOL, sure seems a lot longer than THAT, my friend (Scoots)
sometimes seems like it would have taken him longer that that just to write one of his Opusi
yeah I know it’s really opuses in English …or opera in Latin
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
4:47 pm
rico,
Do you have a source for the DeVall TJ surgery? I saw that on a blog, but haven’t seen it reported by a reputable source.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
4:48 pm
not aware of Braves’ interest level in the Cuban pitcher, but just about every big-market team has expressed some degree of interest in him, from what I hear. Among teams said to be interested: Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Tigers, Cardinals, Orioles, Cubs, White Sox….
keylargo: the extension for Hudson would supplant or supercede the option. They wouldn’t be picking up the option; that’s part of the reason for doing it, to get him to a lower-salaried deal, trade him more security (years) for lower salary. They’re might be a fourth-year option on the extension, but not sure about that. Anyway, next year’s option would be moot.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
4:52 pm
richbrave: unfortunately, couldn’t plan the trip around a Sunday this year, so no ride to Jerome. Sunday is the only day they don’t play down here, and I’m going to fly back Wednesday late afternoon, so tomorrow is the only day I’m both waking up and going to bed in Arizona. Tough to spend half a day or more riding to Jerome when I’m only going to be here for two nights and three days.
Shame, too, because it’s absolutely perfect weather for riding. last year I got caught in rain and temps in 40s up there in mountains. This year it’s much warmer and no rain in forecast.
ncscoots
November 2nd, 2009
4:52 pm
to write one of his Opusi
Opusi is perfect, LOL. nathan truly deserves his own unique blog-post characterization.
rammerjammer
November 2nd, 2009
4:57 pm
Javy and cash/prospect for Milton Bradley.
ncscoots
November 2nd, 2009
4:58 pm
Anyway, next year’s option would be moot.
Mute, dammit, MUTE! Blog lore cannot be denied for the mere sake of grammar, dagnabit.
Vinings (soon to be Venice) Jim
November 2nd, 2009
4:59 pm
richbrave – congratulations on the big win Saturday, and the consecutive win record. That is very impressive, regardless of level. Looks like we each have one tough game left before the big meeting in three weeks.
Chopshop
November 2nd, 2009
4:59 pm
DOB,
What are your thoughts on what Phil Rodgers wrote ? Javy would definitely bring the most return? Although I’m not buying it yet !
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
4:59 pm
Excuse me,somebody tell me how the writer in Chicago knows Vazquez will be shopped but the writers in Atlanta do not? Sounds like a made up rumor to me. — CB
Let me fill you in on how this often works, with the Braves and other teams. While the team that’s shopping a player, or just poking around for one, might not want to say anything to media members for obvious reasons, often an official with a team that they are talking to, a team they’ve either called to gauge interest in a player or to inquire about one, will leak such information to a writer in that city.
A White Sox employee, for instance, might say in passing, “I heard the Braves have let some teams know that Vazquez is available after they get Hudson signed.” That kind of thing. Very common, CB. Happens all the time.
Braves officials, or officials of most teams that might be considering trading a player, don’t leak it to their own writers that they’re going to trade this guy or gauge trade interest in him. That makes no sense for them to do that. When it’s coming from some other team, the Braves can just say, “We’re not going to comment on trade rumors.”
LOOGY
November 2nd, 2009
5:00 pm
DOB, only way I deal Javy is
Royals get: Javy Vazquez, Kelly Johnson
Braves get: Billy Butler, Joakim Soria
rammerjammer
November 2nd, 2009
5:05 pm
Or you could aim higher and offer Javy and Freeman for Derrek Lee.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
5:05 pm
Scoots, it does seem longer than that, doesn’t it. June of 2006 is when I found my “happy place” to hang out. As much griping as I do on this thing, I’m not that much into self-inflicted pain. If the Braves truly brought me as much anger as you all think they do (along with the blog and it’s patrons), I wouldn’t be here.
Truly enjoy the back and forth that goes on here. Even with Lentz, Rober, Coach and my old buddy Moby (not the singer).
BTW scoots, your 4:31 made me laugh. I’m sure Lew will enjoy it as well. Though he may need to borrow some of my meds after he works himself up explaining how dumb that would be of Wren to do.
Opusi, huh? Sounds like some bad porno version of a James Bond movie.
I like it! Count me in. Maybe I’ll change my blog name to:
N8 (Master of Opusi)
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:08 pm
Thats a terrible trade Loogy!
Nothing more really needs to be said other than that!
CB
November 2nd, 2009
5:08 pm
DOB,I understand,makes perfect sense. They don’t want to start any rumors by the DOB vultures.
AustinBrave
November 2nd, 2009
5:10 pm
Is the Hudson deal a done deal?
Steve from OH
November 2nd, 2009
5:11 pm
Javy and cash/prospect for Milton Bradley.
Wait, what?
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:12 pm
Javy and cash/prospect for Milton Bradley. (rammer)
I hope you’re kidding, cause that will absolutely never happen.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:12 pm
Great minds, Steve…
C's
November 2nd, 2009
5:13 pm
I’m pretty sure it was just a joke.
LOOGY
November 2nd, 2009
5:15 pm
Hows it terrible? It’d give the royals a rotation of Greinke, Vazquez, Meche, Bannister, and Davies/Hochevar. It’d be one of the best in the A.L. They’d plug in Teahen everyday at first and Kelly Johnson would give them a reliable second baseman who you know Dayton Moore was probably in love with. It’d make both teams a heck of alot better.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:16 pm
Opusi is perfect, LOL. nathan truly deserves his own unique blog-post characterization. (Scoots)
yeah that’s what I thought. he’s a real board character
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:16 pm
Lew-
I must have not been around when you were offering your fine work as I come and go sometimes due to my work as you can see by the fact that I’m just now getting back to you
VA-
I really would hate to trade anyone given that I always would rather have a surplus, but if I had to, it would have to be Schafer because he has yet to prove himself.
Now this is going to sound dumb in a sense, but has anyone thought about moving Heyward to 1b? You not only open a spot for Schafer, but you bring in a kid who seems to adjust to anywhere and everywhere…also, he does remind me a bit of Ryan Howard when he was his age only better at that age.
Otherwise the problem lies in if we were to trade Schafer now, he’s lost a whole lot of value, and not only that, coming off the injury, it’d be hard pressed to find someone willing to give any value back, let alone full value.
I say let Jordan play in AAA for awhile and see where to go in about June after we sign or acquire the major OF bat to begin the season with.
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
5:18 pm
“rammerjammer November 2nd, 2009 4:57 pm
Javy and cash/prospect for Milton Bradley.”
I hope your kidding around. You are, aren’t you?
Because this next one made me think you weren’t kidding:
“rammerjammer November 2nd, 2009 5:05 pm
Or you could aim higher and offer Javy and Freeman for Derrek Lee.”
That’s way too much for Lee for one year. Would absolutely require a revised contract for him that was financially reasonable. Plus it’s way more likely we could extend Javy for a reasonable amount than Lee would do so to move to Atlanta.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy
November 2nd, 2009
5:18 pm
Me and N8 found the blog at the same time back when N8 was Nathan and I was Billy….we tried to get a fan blog like chop chick had….but they could not meet our demands.
Bunch of posters have come and gone.and for the most part the in season blog is way worse now than it was then.
N8 who was that poster who always wrote in a weird third person about random stuff? I know no a very good description.
P. Lentz reminds me of a young N8.
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:20 pm
Its a terrible trade because you don’t trade a front end starting pitcher for a closer no matter how good that closer is…thats why.
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
5:21 pm
Schafer isn’t a right fielder, so no reason to move Heyward to 1b. Schafer is a centerfielder, plain and siple. McLouth can play left or be traded when the time comes. But for now, Schafer is looking at AAA to play the rust off from his injury.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
5:21 pm
rammerjammer, that’s what I’ve been thinking for weeks. Not sure I want to give up Freeman. One could argue that for a team needing a solid pitcher as much as a trade partner would need a RH, power-hitting 1B, with both of them being at the end of a contract, it could simply be a one for the other trade. With no prospects being needed. Depends on who’s more desperate. The Braves for a big hitter, or the Cubs for a big pitcher? It also has the makings of one of those trades that could literally help both teams out. A very rare thing these days.
But simply inserting Derek Lee into this lineup solves a lot of issues. Solves 1B. Solves RH power hitter. Solves cleanup hitter. Solves defensive upgrade.
I’d be willing to simply swap the two of them. But if Freeman were to be needed, then I would want some sort of window with Lee to work out a new 2 or 3 year deal.
But in the end, I still think Lowe is moved, and Vazquez is given the same type of offer that Hudson is getting, but with a little more money on the table. 3 years 33-36 million or so?
Then again, Wren might be doing what many of us suggested all along. Buy low, sell high and move on. Assuming Hudson can do what he did last year (except for the K totals).
Maybe Wren moves BOTH Vazquez and Lowe, and some combination of KK, Jo-Jo, Medlen and Minor battle for the final two spots in the rotation?
How insane would that be, for Wren to clear almost 27 million of payroll and re-vamp the lineup as much as he did the rotation last year? Giving us much better balance and a more consistent chance to score runs and win games.
I wouldn’t be shocked at any moves right now. I think there is a short list of guys not going anywhere this off-season:
Chipper, Escobar, Prado, McCann, Hanson, Hudson, Heyward and probably JJJ (had to add the “probably” to keep theme with the blog).
Other than that? I think everybody else could be had for the right price. Including Medlen, McLouth and even Schafer.
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:22 pm
Billy-
Hey! Long time…
Yeah, maybe you should’ve softened on that no trade clause and the option year…
And N8 should’ve eliminated the “green” M&M stipulation from his contract
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
5:22 pm
LOOGY
November 2nd, 2009
5:00 pm
DOB, only way I deal Javy is
Royals get: Javy Vazquez, Kelly Johnson
Braves get: Billy Butler, Joakim Soria
I understand this one. You rate Butler pretty highly based on his numbers being pretty good this year. Atlanta’s fanbase would hate this though as Butler doesn’t have the power bat we’re looking for. He’s a good player and Soria is a great closer, but this doesn’t fit what we need.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:23 pm
P. Lentz reminds me of a young N8 (Billy)
were you really that obnoxious, Nathan?
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:23 pm
UGA-
No, you move Nate to RF, which he played a lot of in PNC, which for most ppl is a much more difficult RF to play than in Turner (no caroms)
Steve from OH
November 2nd, 2009
5:26 pm
P-Town–no way does Nate have the arm for RF. IMO he’s best suited defensively for LF.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy
November 2nd, 2009
5:26 pm
he was hated
N8
November 2nd, 2009
5:27 pm
Billy, I don’t remember? I’ll assume Lentz’s “style” is what reminds you of my blogging (meaning long-winded rants, that repeat over and over and over….)? Because other than that, most of our views aren’t that close to each others.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
5:28 pm
Just talked to Minor for a while after the game. Impressive kid, and not lacking confidence, that’s for sure. I like that.
abwright
November 2nd, 2009
5:28 pm
N8 (Master of Opusi)
Not to be confused with Batman, Master of the Catusi.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy
November 2nd, 2009
5:28 pm
Yeah that’s what I meant N8.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
5:29 pm
nolie, I don’t think so. But the guy with bad body odor is usually the last guy at the party to realize it. LOL
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:31 pm
no way does Nate have the arm for RF. IMO he’s best suited defensively for LF (Steve)
I agree that his arm plays better in feft
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:32 pm
feft huh? that would be left
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
5:35 pm
I think Braves might be waiting to dot I’s, cross t’s and announce Hudson’s contract after the World Series ends, since it could be over real soon.
TnBrian
November 2nd, 2009
5:37 pm
That has to be a good thing for Atlanta to have a lefty not named Jo-Jo waiting around the corner in Minor. From wat I’ve read that Rohrbough kid has some injury bugs going on a lot, so hopefully they can keep Minor healthy and ready to go in 2011. Some good LH batters in the NL east, so a good pitcher from the left side can only help.
abwright
November 2nd, 2009
5:37 pm
I only got to see a little bit of Heyward in Spring Training last year, so I’m mainly buying into the hype here.
But, it seems that a defensive outfield of
LF: McLouth
CF: Schafer
RF: Heyward
would be excellent.
Offensively, though, even if Schafer rebounds from injury, McLouth picks it up a tick on his career numbers, and Heyward hits the ground running in his rookie year, that’s not a tremendously good offensive outfield.
You would need a much bigger bat at 1B to make this work. I mean Ryan Howard-esque.
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:38 pm
Guys,
We can forget about Derrek Lee. He’s not going anywhere as he is 10/5 now and he absolutely LOVES Chicago!
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:41 pm
we can apply all the logic we are capable of, but my guess is that at some point Wren is gonna do a deal ,big or small, that we never thought of
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:42 pm
Steve-
I do agree that his arm would play better in LF, then again, since when did Matt Diaz ever get accused of having an arm?
abwright-
Once again my only concern here is Lefty, Lefty, Lefty and couple that w/ BMac Lefty, possibly LaRoche Lefty, and the fact that you already have Chipper who is a better LHH (power) it makes for a field day for a LH pitcher against 2/3 of the lineup.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
5:47 pm
Chipper who is a better LHH (power) (P-Town)
yeah but he’s still a .910 hitter RHed. It ain’t like he’s chopped liver
Homer
November 2nd, 2009
5:50 pm
Fire DOB!
P-Town Brave
November 2nd, 2009
5:55 pm
Nolie-
I’m not talking doubles though…as you know, thats factored into OPS.
So no he’s not chopped liver, but everyone knows his leaving the yard power comes from the left side.
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
5:55 pm
Is the Hudson deal a done deal? AustinBrave
AB, it more than likely is done but it cannot be announced during the World Series. I read that Hudson’s option had to be accepted or declined within 5 days from the end of the WS, so things will start to happen in that time frame.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
5:58 pm
abwright, I agree with you. I think solid years from Escobar and McCann (which we got last year), need to be had. Along with a huge rebound from Chipper, a full season of Prado do what he did when he got the job full time.
Let’s not forget that there were only 3 positions on the field where we got what we thought we were going to get from game 1 to game 162.
LF (Loaf), C (McCann), SS (Escobar).
The other 5 positions required a benching (KJ for Prado), and three trades (McLouth in CF, LaRoche at 1B and Church in RF – with Diaz as the other half of the platoon).
NOBODY overachieved this year of the opening day 8 guys in the lineup. Nobody. Prado perhaps played over his head a bit. We’ll find out next April and May, right?
But simply having league average seasons from 3B, 1B, RF and 2B from April through July (and April and May with CF), would have had us in the division lead in July and in the position to add depth and strength to run away with the division (like Philly adding Lee).
Instead, Wren had to revamp over half the lineup, before the team became consistently competitive and successful.
rammerjammer
November 2nd, 2009
5:59 pm
Steve and nolie, not joking. Bradley’s a year removed from a .999 OPS season, he mashes lefties and Cubs would certainly come to the table with cash and a good prospect. They are desparate. Bobby also has a favorable history with bad boys.
Don’t over-value Javy. He had a breakout season, yes, but he is a career 4-plus ERA guy heading into his walk year.
Daybed Wagmoe
November 2nd, 2009
6:22 pm
As far as power bat/OF options go, I wonder about Michael Cuddyer on the Twins. The pros: he just put up a 30+ HR season, hits right-handed, and is making $8m next year. Cons: he’s a free agent after 2010, and his career stats suggest that he’s not as good as he was last year.
What do y’all think of a Vazquez-for-Cuddyer deal? I’d rather see a Lowe-for-Cuddyer deal, but I don’t think the Twins have the payroll to take on Lowe. Maybe Kawakami-for-Cuddyer?
ugaaccountant
November 2nd, 2009
6:30 pm
Kawakami for Cuddyer is fine from our side. Don’t know if they need pitching or have spare of’s. No prospects either way.
rico43
November 2nd, 2009
6:36 pm
I will humbly retract my earlier comment: DeVall has NOT has TJ. I had heard from what I thought was a good minor league media source that it was a done deal after he went on the DL with an “elbow strain” in July. But after seeing it questioned here, I looked for confirmation. Here is what I found:
First of all, let me straighten out some of the rumors going around.
Brett supposedly has a small bone spur somewhere on his left elbow. Good news is that is not what is causing his difficulty. He has not had Tommy John surgery and most likely not need Tommy John surgery. Right now he is re-habbing in Orlando at the fall instructs. He threw 30 pitches from the mound last Thursday and had no pain at all. He is scheduled to throw again on Tuesday and probably again later in the week. The Braves will then look at any problems that may arise from these bullpen sessions and make a decision along with Brett to take care of those problems, if any occur, before next season. Brett states that his arm feels fine and that he hopes this is all behind him.
That post was signed “Mr. DuVall.”
While I’m confused that the spur was NOT the problem (what is?) I am really glad I am wrong — so far.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
6:55 pm
ugaaccountant -
Atlanta’s fanbase would hate this though as Butler doesn’t have the power bat we’re looking for
Your posts are mostly good, but I think you’re wrong about this one. Butler is probably going to hit 35+ homers every year, perhaps as soon as 2010. He’s going to be a super-star power hitter.
Of course, he’s pretty bad at 1st and his glove plays best at DH (hehe), but still, he’s a stud. I’d trade anyone on the Braves’ 40-man for him apart from Hanson and McCann and anyone else in the system apart from Heyward and Teheran.
Gotta remember he’s 23 years old. Development’s not nearly complete, and he still hit .300 with 70+ XBH (including 50+ doubles) last year. 10-25 of those doubles are going to be homers pretty soon.
Daybed Wagmoe
November 2nd, 2009
7:11 pm
ugaaccountant — Take a look at Minnesota’s starting rotation. With the exception of Carl Pavano, nobody is over 27. Blackburn (27), Baker (27), Liriano (25), Perkins (26), Slowey (25), and Pavano (33). I was talking with a die-hard Twins fan over the weekend, and from his perspective, they need to add a veteran starting pitcher who is good. Could be a good trade partner for Atlanta.
Jay212033
November 2nd, 2009
7:12 pm
I’d also trade Vazquez only if he wouldn’t sign an extention but it definitely wouldn’t be for Milton Bradley! Here are a few ideas that I like personally.
Vazquez, Jo-Jo and B.Jones to the Rays for Carl Crawford.
Vazquez to the Brewers for Matt Gamel and Brett Lowrie.
Vazquez and Kelly Johnson to the Cubs for Derek Lee
Tomas
November 2nd, 2009
7:23 pm
Mike Minor really is impressing me. I think he could pitch in the majors sometime in 2010. It really gives the Braves depth. Jojo Reyes, Mike Minor, Jeff Lyman, and Todd Redmond.
Even if they trade Vazquez, Lowe, or Kawakami, they will still be covered if injury were to happen.
Jay212033
November 2nd, 2009
7:24 pm
The WS has nothing to do with the Braves announcing the Hudson deal. They just may not want to the attention away from the game being played tonight or the Falcons playing tonight as well. But several player have already been resigned already during the WS.
Chris
November 2nd, 2009
7:24 pm
Trading Vazquez is ludicrous, insane, f@#$ing n@ts. I for one want Javier back next season.
Chris
November 2nd, 2009
7:25 pm
D. Lee is WAY past his prime.
Moby Grape
November 2nd, 2009
7:25 pm
but he is a career 4-plus ERA guy heading into his walk year. Rammerjammer
he’s a career 107 ERA+ guy who has had one less than average year in the last ten years. Don’t undervalue him like everybody on the blog did when he was traded for.
More to the point Bradley can’t stay healthy and is a cancer in the clubhouse much worse than any other guy they have ever traded for. It ain’t gonna happen, nor should it with all the questions about Bradley and the 10 straight average plus years Javy has had.
You can take that ERA and W/L record and shove it. He’s played on bad teams,bad defensive teams and in hitter’s parks a lot.
You know what you are gonna get with Javy-at worst league average; with Bradley you have no frigging idea. There is a reason that teams keep dumping the jerk. The Braves aren’t gonna bite on that one.
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
7:28 pm
VJ soon to be VJ:
If you’re referring to the WILDCATS you are oh, so correct. Those sneaky mutha’s are gonna’ get a SPIDERS smack-down Saturday—-hopefully. Nice to see a vote for the AP TOP TWENTY-FIVE for the SPIDERS too. See you in three, I’m buying tickets. Are you going, or have you sprinted off to the left coast already?
DAVE:
Dang man. Too bad.
Tomas
November 2nd, 2009
7:31 pm
I don’t think the Cubs would do a Javy Vazquez for Derek Lee swap, but it’d be perfect for both clubs.
TnBrian
November 2nd, 2009
7:36 pm
I agree trading off Javy would come back to bite them in the ass, I think. JJ/Hanson, they’re good young pitchers, but they aren’t proven yet. Who knows what you’ll get from Lowe again and Hudson is still coming off of major surgery & he really wasn’t that impressive in his starts back this year. Saying that, just keep your ace & go with a Willingham type hitter if you have to.
I find it hard to believe that Wren can’t get a legit cleanup type guy without trading the ace of the staff. Come on, get real!
Vinings (soon to be Venice) Jim
November 2nd, 2009
7:38 pm
richbrave – I would not have made it from Atlanta, and I definitely won’t make it from here. I will enjoy listening to my radio guys through the miracle of the intrawebs. We still have New Hampshire left – you were lucky enough to avoid them.
jeffrey d
November 2nd, 2009
7:38 pm
Trading Vazquez is ludicrous, insane, f@#$ing n@ts. I for one want Javier back next season.
It’s Javier Vazquez (with a 4.19 career ERA) for one year we’re talking about here. His value after only one great year is sky high.
Roman Gal
November 2nd, 2009
7:42 pm
Left Field – Nate McLouth
Center Field – Jordan Schafer
Right Field – Jason Heyward
-Baseball America
I knew those folks at Baseball America were smart.
VaBraveFan
November 2nd, 2009
7:45 pm
TnBrian
I agree trading Javy could back fire, but Javy just had his best season of his career he could always have a Derek Lowe 2009 type season…. If we cant move Lowe for a power bat or for a salary dump, Javy will most likely be traded to bring the Power hitter here. Wren fixed our biggest problem in 08 with the pitching, If he can add 3 good starters for the rotation in one offseason he should be able to find the bat this team needs.
Moby Grape
November 2nd, 2009
7:51 pm
t’s Javier Vazquez (with a 4.19 career ERA) Jeffrey
are you too baseball ignorant to understand how worthless that 4.19 ERA is with the teams and parks he has been in? I guess so, or you wouldn’t throw it around like it means all that much..
He’s one of only a dozen or so guys in history to have 10 straight years of 10+ wins and 150 or more Ks. and he’s had more than one great year.
Yes his value is sky high, but don’t disparage him so
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
7:51 pm
VJ soon to be VJ:
In a perfect world, you would be in attendance in three, and we might hoist a glass to sport, to cameradarie as it were. Alas, such is life.
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
7:53 pm
The WS has nothing to do with the Braves announcing the Hudson deal.
Jay212033
The day after the end of the World Series is the beginning of a 15-day period when eligible players may elect free agency or demand a trade. This is the only time when that player’s previous club retains exclusive negotiating rights. MLB rules for free agency
Vinings (soon to be Venice) Jim
November 2nd, 2009
7:57 pm
richbrave – I’m just lucky there’s not a home game that day for USC, or I might not be able to listen to the I-64 Bowl (not that I’m complaining about getting to see what used to be a top 5 team in its heyday)
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
8:09 pm
Roman Gal -
Left Field – Nate McLouth
Center Field – Jordan Schafer
Right Field – Jason Heyward
-Baseball America
I knew those folks at Baseball America were smart.
Yep!
Moby Grape
November 2nd, 2009
8:10 pm
I knew those folks at Baseball America were smart. (RG)
about tools, yes. about hitting? sometimes not so much.
Hi thar, gal. You been hidin’ ?
TnBrian
November 2nd, 2009
8:16 pm
poor Victorino(haha)