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ugaaccountant
October 28th, 2009
6:58 pm
Interesting dilema on what compensation she’s entitled to. As the cheating spouse, I contend she is due $0 in future spousal support in a fairly easy decision. People need to quit cheating period.
The family assets to be split 50/50 are obviously quite complex and who knows how many agreements, pre-nups etc. have been filed.
Her job – It sounds like she was fired without cause. However, it seems they are trying to build a case that she wasn’t a good employee and thus may be able to win this as a firing “for cause”.
Harrasment in the workplace – based on that article I see no merit to such a claim. Of course some people won’t like a cheating wife, but they are perfectly entitled not to like her, no matter what her title is.
Pretending she’s a co-owner – that’s crap. if she signed her rights away, she should get no part of the team in a settlement.
Anyway, lawyers might make millions on this one depending on how clear cut these issues are.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
6:59 pm
DAP ,
well yeah thats good i want them to keep both as long as possible, That makes JJ even more valuble. Hell we should be able to land a package simlar or more of a return like what we gave away for Tex.
If a team needs pitching , they trade the house. JJ should command a 30+ outfielder with good power and a handful of prospects right???
But i dont want them to trade em unless we are overwelmsed with a offer like that….. But Lowe isnt going to land a cleanup hitter, So will have Bad Back Willingham batting cleanup and playing Left ouch kinda like Loaf with just a bit more power.
Why cant this team add one legit bat , last year they added 3 legit pitchers.
Wayne in Utah (WWJJD)
October 28th, 2009
7:01 pm
If Kelly Johnson were on another team, I would trade JJ to get him back!
(thought you might like that RHR!)
Wayne in Utah (WWJJD)
October 28th, 2009
7:03 pm
Yankees in 6….there, I said it.
Travis
October 28th, 2009
7:03 pm
Once and for all…the Tex trade was not done by Frank Wren…JS did it so please stop blaming Wren for all the fallout. It would have been great to retain Mark but he wanted to play for a contender. The Braves weren’t there yet.
rufues
October 28th, 2009
7:05 pm
Lets trade Jair Jurrjens, and get bring back Don Sutton, that about the level of the Braves mentality. They have become a joke, they don’t think, they’ll most likely try to bring back the three scrooges. They Braves big wheel are making to much money and have to much free time on their hands. They ignore the fact that one should not throw the baby out with the water. But,to no ones surprise on how the Braves do things like, picking any players or picking quality players. Maybe they just can’t tell the different’s or maybe just don’t care, on what they put on the field next year.
Delbert D.
October 28th, 2009
7:07 pm
Was 2009 a down year for Chipper, or is the cliff? Trade for some value and prospects, and free up $$$ to sign a big bat? With the same pitching, we still finish 2nd-4th without a big hitter.
Wayne in Utah (WWJJD)
October 28th, 2009
7:11 pm
Cleanup hitters: Nick Swisher? Xavier Nady? Josh Willingham? Jake Fox? Jorge Cantu? Juan Rivera? Milton Bradley?
WOW! Not too exciting, huh.
Maybe Frank works out a blockbuster, and sends Lowe, Prado and Freeman somewhere for a legit cleanup hitter.
Jerry
October 28th, 2009
7:11 pm
Agreed. You do not trade JJ & you do not trade Hanson (the new Tom Terrific). And you do not trade Vazquez this year. Maybe after next season if you cannot sign him. Everyone else is on the block.
Braveheart
October 28th, 2009
7:13 pm
Worrying about what Jurrjens does as a free agent 4 years from now with Boras is silly. Alot can happen between now and then. Injuries, burn outs, he gets real money for the first time in his life in arbitration and gets fat and happy, he marries the wrong woman, he marries the right woman and gets a bit too content, he gets involved with the wrong woman who screws with his head and emotions, a new manager and pitching coach come in and screw with his head, emotions, mechanics, mound presence, his method and plan of attack, his agent screws with his head and goals, he sits in an arbitration hearing and hears the front office kill him, he reads the newspaper or a blog one morning and sees a writer or some blogger killing him and he gets all screwed in the head. Who the hell knows.
Alot of players, especially pitchers, look great when they’re young, lean, and happy because their life is relatively simple, but then life, love, money, injuries, changes in environment and circumstances, etc., happen, and they get derailed. Just enjoy him for the six years you have club control over him. Chances are he won’t make it to free agency completely unscathed in way or another. Then you decide if he’s worth the money once he’s run the gauntlet and had his character tested in so many more ways that he’s presently encountered.
Would I be shocked if the Braves traded him? No. The Braves FO are some cutthroat mofos who usually assess their own talent so well that they know just when it’s time to hold ‘em, and when it’s time to fold ‘em.
I think he pitched above his head a bit this year, but I dunno. The kid seems like a sponge. One year he’s emulating Hudson, and he’s getting the ball down, and inducing alot of grounders. The next year he emulates Vazquez, and he’s learning how to rise the ball up, and induce lazy fly balls. The kid’s kinda scary intellectually with his ability to retain the things he’s being taught and that he’s seeing, and, more importantly, being able to then adapt and apply what he’s retained in given game situations.
Sure, the kid’s been a bit lucky with an ERA 54 points lower in his career than his FIP, but Tom Glavine also had a career ERA 41 points lower than his career FIP in 4400+ innings. Hudson has a career ERA 30 points lower than his career FIP. So, who knows? Tom Glavine and Tim Hudson haven’t often been accused of being lucky. It’s usually just said Glavine and Hudson know how to pitch. Maybe that’s what we’ll also be saying about Jurrjens one day. But who knows? All we can do is wait and see.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
7:13 pm
I’m not blaming Wren for that, i’m blaming the organization.
Wren has done a really good job, only problem i have is he banked on Frenchy bouncing back he banked on him being the big bat we needed. Also banked on Shafer….. Thats like Wren saying this offseason well we got Heyward coming up i’m not gonna add any good bats to the roster.
He added McLouth which was a good pick up and will help for years to come. Rochy was good but he isnt a impact guy for a whole season. But we need a real impact guy to hit for power. Or we need a real Legit Lead off guy that can steal 40 bags, and play great D. We have niether.
We got amazing pitching to go with good hitting players with no pop or speed.
We could use some speed, McLouth, Rochy(if signed) Escobar, Chipper, McCann can all hit 20 homers for us, we could live with out the big bopper in the 4 hole , but not with bad D and no speed.
StingerSplash
October 28th, 2009
7:14 pm
First, who is that next to Jamie McCourt in the picture?
Second, trade Jair Jurrjens? Really? Seriously? Um, the fine folks from Milledgeville will see you now.
Third, Phillies in six. Yes, I’m a Braves fan. Yes, I’m picking and backing the Phils. They’ve got a lot of guys who seem like good guys and are fun to watch — Howard, Rollins, Utley, Werth. I think Victorino can be a little bit of a tool on the field, but he’s fun to watch, too.
Smug factor is low among the Phillies. It is high among the Yankees.
desibrave
October 28th, 2009
7:18 pm
DOB! We all love Jair Jurgens in ATL and wish he is a brave forever but he is the realistic side of it. He is a Scott Bora$$ client and no way he is not going to test the free agency in 3 years from now. Unless Braves get bought by Ted Turner back (guy with deep pockets) I don’t think we will be able to compete for him in free agent market. So this is the best time to trade him. But, if we trade him we need a POWERFUL bat someone who is locked up for 4 to 5 years. someone like eg Miguel Cabrera, I am not saying we need to get Cabrera but someone who is like him , can hit 35+ Homers, 100RBIs+ , and locked for 5 years.
We don;t want to trade him for prospects who are in AAA and promised to do good in future but not tested at majors yet. What we need is a proven hitter signed for a 4 or 5 years.
Gerran McNurney
October 28th, 2009
7:18 pm
Who cares about pitching, tell Boobie to retire now, tell Chumper to tend his ranch, Mexicans are sneaking in thru his property and dieing. Deal Soriano and Gonzo for a bat and get John Rocker back as closer…..woooohooooo…World Series here we come!!!!!
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
7:20 pm
Yeah, if she tried to insulate herself from being indebted when they bought the team trying to claim co-ownership now seems pretty shady (with one “d”).
Wayne in Utah (WWJJD)
October 28th, 2009
7:20 pm
WW
That was damned depressing…….but true.
Glynn
October 28th, 2009
7:20 pm
Noooo, is this a joke?
Im no Scot Boras fan, and I do believe in staying away from his clients as much as possible, but keep Jurjens!!
Oh, and bring back Rochey!
Joe
October 28th, 2009
7:21 pm
Never trade Jurrjens but try to trade Lowe or Kawakami.
ccrider
October 28th, 2009
7:24 pm
DOB, One thing you didn’t mention about Jair Jurrjens is he grew up in Curacao a big Braves fan. His father was also a huge Braves fan and dreamed of him playing for them one day.
I seem to remember a certain Centerfielder from Curacao that gave a hometown discount to stay with the Braves and I think there is a good chance Jair might instruct Boras to take a good offer before free agency. I can see a day of Jurrjens, Hanson, Teheren, Minor and Medlen anchoring a World Series team.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
7:26 pm
ccrider
i sure hope so about that.
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2009
7:27 pm
I totally agree trading JJ is an absolute no-go, for all the reasons DOB cited – his talent, his pitching smarts, his age, the years left of having him under control, and his character. There is no realistic scenario justifying even entertaining the idea.
larry
October 28th, 2009
7:30 pm
trade jurrjens? insane. JJ could anchor this staff for the next decade. trade him and he will be the next adam wainwright- taking another team to the playoffs while the bravos wonder what could have been
ccrider
October 28th, 2009
7:33 pm
VaBraveFan; You and me both. If we can keep McCann, Escobar, Prado, Heyward, Freeman, Schafer(Yes contrary to others, I think he is going to be our CF for a long time) find a replacement for Chipper and A big bopper for LF we will be in position to do just that. Don’t have to worry about bullpen, lots of big arms in the minors: Kimbrell, the Delgados, Hale, Etc.
bbraves
October 28th, 2009
7:39 pm
Even though he had a career year I would trade Vazquez. He only has one more year left on his contract and more likely to receive a better return by trading him. Wouldn’t mind if Lowe was traded though but don’t know if many teams would be interested. Whatever the Braves do not need to trade JJ after next year would look at signing him to an extension.
reagan
October 28th, 2009
7:39 pm
Candler (5:27) you said KK was 39………he is only 34 yers old.
braveman
October 28th, 2009
7:40 pm
according to mlbtraderumors.com…. ken rosenthal says huddy will be inked in the coming days.
bye bye jair. (G)
Anthony
October 28th, 2009
7:40 pm
I can’t believe that people would want to trade JJ. Give me a top of hte line starter over a top of the line hitter any day of the week and I’ll take my odds.
In the WS, bottom line is that the Phils are going to have to beat CC at one point or another it seems. One of the other yankee pitchers will win another game in my opinion. Thus, I think tonight is critical for the Phils. Everyone expects the yanks to pull it out tonight with CC. But if the Phils, behind Lee, take Game 1, I think it could be a quick series with the Phils winning it all.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
7:42 pm
What about Speed??? We dont need a big bopper if this team can run and play defense. We had one of the worse defenses in the majors last year. And we didnt steal many bases. This team can hit, we just dont have any impact power or speed. If i recall i think single players out stole the whole Atlanta club last year lol. Add a real leadoff guy and drop McLouth lower where he’ll hit better.
Lowe for Pierre hell with it….. lol would they do that????? stuck with a high paid guy that cant hit a homer for 2 seasons
MIBravesFan
October 28th, 2009
7:42 pm
“Smug factor is low among the Phillies. It is high among the Yankees.” -
StingerSplash
So true!
This is a tough Series because it’s hard to root for Philly to win it back-to-back and have the reigning champs again in our own division, but it’s sickening to think of the Yankees flat out buying the championship, and if they win, that’s exactly what they will have done. As between the two, I hope Philly wins. If they do I think it will in 6 games; if it goes to a game 7, that’s another story.
braveman
October 28th, 2009
7:43 pm
jair is not going anywhere. once when hudson is signed later in the week, we will turn our attention into moving lowe. if that doesnt work out… we will probably try and move kk. relax fellas…
Flabravesfan
October 28th, 2009
7:44 pm
If the Braves trade JJ, I may not watch them for a long time. Even the thought of it pisses me off….
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
7:44 pm
On Bowman’s latest blog he thinks Huddy’s extension will be worth 24-27 MM over three years and signed within the next few days.
If that’s true, it’s a great deal for the Braves…
larry
October 28th, 2009
7:45 pm
Huddy is my favorite Braves player, and even then i rather see him traded than JJ.
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
7:47 pm
We dont need a big bopper if this team can run and play defense.
I disagree. We need that big bopper and we need it bad. The defense? Yeah, that definitely needs to improve, without a doubt. But even though it sucked last year, it didn’t really hurt us all that much, since we were like 3rd (ish) in total runs allowed in the NL last year or something like that. Plus, Garret Anderson will be gone and Heyward will be in right at some point, so there’s two spots upgraded right there.
CB
October 28th, 2009
7:47 pm
Bowman is saying Hudson will be signed for 3yrs,24-27mil. Good sign for the Braves if that happens.
CB
October 28th, 2009
7:48 pm
Steve, you are too fast for me!
CJ
October 28th, 2009
7:51 pm
No, I don’t think the Braves have any plans at all to trade JJ. However, if they were offered Evan Longoria, Matt Kemp, Adrian Gonzalez, Justin Upton, or Ryan Braun for him they would be stark raving MAD not to accept – and quickly. That being said, JJ isn’t enough for any of the players I just mentioned so it would never happen.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
7:51 pm
Steve from OH
Man i right with you, i’m just trying to look at a different view. We are not getting a impact power guy without trading Vasquez or giving a package for someone. Lowe or KK will not give us a cleanup hitter. We really do need a true bopper, but if u add impact speed and play great D with this pitching we are in good shape. All i’;m saying is i rather get some speed and defense rather than get a guy like Willingham as there answer for LF and the righthanded power bat.
McFann Ô
October 28th, 2009
7:52 pm
That was a pretty good National Anthem!
McFann Ô
October 28th, 2009
7:52 pm
And that about does it for WS watching for this fann!
RHR
October 28th, 2009
7:53 pm
If Kelly Johnson were on another team, I would trade JJ to get him back!
If we’re lucky he WILL be on another team soon!
bobby
October 28th, 2009
7:54 pm
The only way I would consider trading JJ would be for Ryan Howard.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
7:55 pm
I read somthing about the Cubs having a good amount of interest in Kelly Johnson, not sure what we could get for him, but it would be nice to see him somewhere away from Atl.
I dont understand what happened with him, they switched his positions dozens of times, in the minors he was the number 3-4 hitter and power guy he comes to the majors we want him to be paitent and be a lead off guy instead of letting him be himself so idk , he needs a change of scenery
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
7:57 pm
but if u add impact speed and play great D with this pitching we are in good shape. All i’;m saying is i rather get some speed and defense rather than get a guy like Willingham as there answer for LF and the righthanded power bat
Yeah, but when you’re in our situation you have to prioritize. Power, defense, then speed. Sometimes defense and speed go together, sometimes not. Speed alone is useless, without hitting ability. And since we need hitting ability first and foremost, why not get as much of it as we can?
McFann Ô
October 28th, 2009
7:57 pm
Not a bad throw!
Nick Swisher Walks A Ton
October 28th, 2009
7:58 pm
TRADE JURRJENS FOR NICK SWISHER!!
P. W. Hjort
October 28th, 2009
7:58 pm
ya’ll are crazy – I would have to say JJJ is now our 3rd best pitcher for 2010 behind Vasquez and Hanson, although 2009 was ridiculously close for all 3.
Exactly right. Though I think Hudson (and possibly even Lowe) could be in the mix for best 2010 starter as well. Basically, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if any of the 5 are the best or worst.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
7:59 pm
bobby
interesting idea lol, we trade JJ and Freeman for Howard the Phils get 1 proven ace for 3 more season very cheap and a future 1st baseman, and drop Howards big salary and save money , they use some of that get Rochy. lol We still got a awesoem 5 man staff and a big Cleanup hitter hahaha
i crack myself up thought i would throw that crazy spew on things
Wayne in Utah (WWJJD)
October 28th, 2009
8:02 pm
VaBraveFan
I would make that deal (for Howard) so fast, it would be done already….
P. W. Hjort
October 28th, 2009
8:03 pm
Yeah, but when you’re in our situation you have to prioritize. Power, defense, then speed.
Yep! I think we need to improve on defense on our own, though. Spend more time practicing it, make it a point of interest to focus on D, lose weight, etc.. With that, I don’t see any reason the Braves can’t be top-half in defensive efficiency in 2010. Especially sans Loaf, plus J Hey and Schafer.
Brave4Life
October 28th, 2009
8:05 pm
DOB, I agree 100% that you dont trade JJ. Hanson and JJ are the foundation of our rotation and will be our 1-2 punch for several more years and I would love to see us work something out long term for him…remember, JJ was very excited when he was traded to Atl as his father is a long time braves fan so we may be able to get some kind of a discount when resigning him.
As far as who we trade, I think it will have to be Javy. I would rather it be Lowe or KK but I dont know if there is a team that would be willing to take one of them and give anything of real value. Both have very big contracts when you look at there production.
As far as Minor is concerned, I know its early but I watched him pitch at the end of last year in Rome and he wasnt exactly impressive in my opinion so I wouldnt put him in the fifth starter role just yet.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:06 pm
Steve from OH
I agree man , just saying we are not getting a impact power bat. I rather have a real lead off guy that can steal 40 bases hit around 290. and play great D, than a injury prone slow outfileder who might hit 25 homers.
But yes i rather have a 275. 35 100 type of guy but i dont see that happening.
Willingham,Fox,Nady dont belong between Chip and McCann.
I’ve seen people mentioning Swisher , i was big on him when the trade rumors were swirling about him coming here. He is under contract for few more season at a pretty good bargain. He can play corner outfield and 1b switch hitter 25-30 homer guy lots of walks, does hit for low average but i do like him. Definlty Considering he only makes around 5 mil a year and could fill in at 1b.
Najeh Davenpoop
October 28th, 2009
8:06 pm
Trading Jurrjens would be, in a word, idiotic.
GTBuzz55
October 28th, 2009
8:08 pm
Trade JJ? Can you say ID10T5? (translation – idiots)
reagan
October 28th, 2009
8:08 pm
VaBrave fan (7:51)….no, they wont……..but….if we make a package deal maybe we can. PS…where in Va. are you from?
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:10 pm
reagan
Portsmouth, VA near Norfolk
Wilson
October 28th, 2009
8:12 pm
DOB, I’m curious about your thoughts on the Cards hiring McGwire as hitting coach? You may have addressed it already in the previous blog and I missed it. I also wonder what you think about Selig and MLB’s reaction to the hire?
Here’s a good read in regards to McGwire/Selig
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4602077
Braves Paisan
October 28th, 2009
8:14 pm
Good evening, Braves Beat Blog Denizens:
Bronx Bombers … ’nuff said! I mean, did you see those two young ladies escort YOGI (one of the greatest Series performers ever) out to the mound? It was pure Yankee ju-ju!
Speaking of J-J (segues, anyone?) — Trading JJ would be insane, and there is no tangible evidence that Wren is so afflicted. Yes, there is the specter of Boras looming large and ugly on the horizon. Until that day comes, JJ is EVERYTHING you could possible want in a young pitcher. Keep him as long as we possibly can!
– B.P.
EPF
October 28th, 2009
8:17 pm
The Braves were dumb enough to trade Adam Wainwright. Why would anybody be surprised if they trade Jurrjens?
BIOMASS
October 28th, 2009
8:18 pm
Excellent pre-game ceremony in NY. Classy. (And I hate NY!)
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
8:19 pm
just saying we are not getting a impact power bat. I rather have a real lead off guy that can steal 40 bases hit around 290. and play great D,
I don’t necessarily think that’s true. I think (given a proper constuction of the pitching staff by Wren) that there will be several good options available to us that would satisfy our need for a power bat. Wholeheartedly agree on the great D part, but intentionally adding a high speed/low power bat in lieu of a big power bat isn’t going to help our offense. And judging by his comments, Wren agrees (and judging by yours, so do you).
I’m bored.
Dustin
October 28th, 2009
8:20 pm
The braves just need that big bat in the middle of the linup. The problem with the braves wasn’t the pitching, it was the hitting. You have to hope that managment understands that and if they do decide to trade a pitcher, they get that true 4 hitter and move McCann back to 5 in the linup. The braves win 10 more games this year if they had one and probably would have made the playoffs. We should be back next year if managment plays it right. GO BRAVES!!!
Braves Paisan
October 28th, 2009
8:20 pm
Lee looks like he has great stuff so far … could be a classic game!
Rick
October 28th, 2009
8:22 pm
It has been proven over and over time after time. No matter how great the lineup or team might be if you have a totally idiot such as the Braves’ manager then you are not and will not be making it to the playoffs. Maybe after the 2010 season the Braves can start thinking about the possibility of going to another World Series with a manager that knows how to win pennants and not just divisional titles.
BIOMASS
October 28th, 2009
8:25 pm
Wanda Sikes? Again? You’ve got to be kidding.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:27 pm
EPF
First off Wainwright never pitched in the majors, he was just a top prospect. Anything could have happened….
JJ has pitched 2 season in the majors and has been great and is only 23 and is under team control for 3-4 more seasons. If the braves did trade them it would have to be a huge return. Somthing like a power hitter around 25-28 y/o under contract for atleast 3 years at a good price, and a top pitching prospect and a top 3b prospect. hell the package could be more, there getting JJ at a cheap price for around 4-5 years in the top of there rotation. Its hard to put a value on JJ , he shouldnt be traded unless someone blows us away….. They wont trade him for a rental thats for sure……
TnBrian
October 28th, 2009
8:28 pm
$24-27m for a pitcher like Hudson? Uh, yeah, that’s a very good deal if true.
On Wren “banking” on Frenchy to have a bounce back ‘09 season… have to remember we don’t have Yank/Boston/Mets money, so a mid-market team like Atlanta kind of has to rely on what’s in front of them most of the time. Chill, that’s just the reality for us Braves fans.
keylargo
October 28th, 2009
8:28 pm
I have to go with the old standard that a great hitter is more valuable to a team than a great pitcher. Especially with all the other pitching.
If the Braves could trade JJ for Ryan Braun, who is locked up with an extreme back loaded contract for, I think, the next 5 years, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Pitchers can hurt their arms and never be the same again. Almost all injuries to a position player can be repaired. I used this example earlier this off season and a few people hit the ceiling because I mentioned Barry Bonds, but I used his name only because he was a young productive player like Ryan Braun in the early 90’s. Imagine if the Braves had traded Steve Avery after the 1993 season for Bonds. How many World Series do you think the Braves would have now?
falcon21
October 28th, 2009
8:30 pm
JJ has to stay along with a vet. We need to keep Hudson but if I had to choose, I would keep JJ.
the truth...
October 28th, 2009
8:31 pm
Remember John Smoltz coming here from Detroit? Well do you think Detroit ever regretted the trade?
I contend that trading JJ would be akin to what Detroit did by sending Smoltz here…..
cvbraves
October 28th, 2009
8:33 pm
VaBraveFan…Born and raised in Portsmouth, too. Now reside just outside St. Augustine, Fl.
Agree with most…Braves won’t consider trade for Jair.
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:35 pm
Steve from OH
I’m Bored too. lol So who do you think fits the bill to bat between Chip and Mac? And trying to be realistic with the options lol Unless Wren does somthing surprising the option arnt good.
Willingham, Fox, Nady, Swisher, Cantu, Uggla, Guillen, Bradely, Mathews thats just to list a few that have heard to be availble or have bad contracts. My favorite out of those is Swisher what do you think…..
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:37 pm
cvbraves
Thats cool man, i stay in the Cradock area, lived here my whole life
Jeff R
October 28th, 2009
8:39 pm
Wren would have to be off his rocker trading Jurrjens. And I don’t think he’s off his rocker. As DOB mentioned, a team builds around talentedf young arms; it doesn’t ship them off.
Hanson and Jurrjens should be virtually untouchable.
The first base dilemma. Wren needs to make a run at LaRoche. Understand that LaRoche wants a three-year deal (or so the reports go). But, perhaps, Wren could offer a bulked up two-year deal with a good buyout on a thrid year option.
I still think loosing LaRoche hurts the team, given there are no really talented one-year rentals on the market.
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
8:40 pm
I don’t really know who the options are because I don’t know what baseball’s internal market looks like. But if Wren can trade Lowe, we absolutely can afford to sign Holliday or Bay. I’d surely prefer Holliday, but I’d be more than happy with either.
None of those guys you listed give me the warm fuzzy feeling. Swisher and Willingham are probably my picks from the group, but I don’t think either are cleanup hitters. But they will improve the club…
anyone is touchable
October 28th, 2009
8:41 pm
I’d hate to trade JJ, he’s less than a year older than Hanson, and a much better pitcher right now. No reason to think they won’t both improve and JJ continues to be better than Hanson. An e.r.a. under three in this age of offensive baseball? Unheard of. BUT, anyone is available if I’m the GM. The price for JJ would be astronomical, I’m talking a Ryan Howard plus a prospect, maybe two, kind of deal. Scott Boras or not, JJ is an unusual combination of talent, great attitude and great work ethic. Gotta keep him unless the players, plural, you get in return are superstars. Same with Vasquez, by the way, with perhaps a little less being expected in return because of Javy’s age. Not much less expected, mind you, but a little less. Hanson has had a good half year, let’s see what happens from here on out. All reports say he is as hard a worker and as good a clubhouse guy as JJ. Hope so, but let’s see before we anoint him the future ace of the staff. Of course, that’s just me…I could be wrong
BIOMASS
October 28th, 2009
8:43 pm
keylargo, the Giants traded for him. How many WS did they win with Bonds?
falcon21
October 28th, 2009
8:45 pm
It’s a fact that we will have to depart with some pitching to get more hitting in Atl. but JJ should not be considered in a trade. cvbraves, St. Augustine is like a home away from home. Love the place!
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:47 pm
Jeff R
Maybe Wren could surprise us with a trade involving one of our Starting Pitchers and Freeman for a Slugging Firstbaseman thats already locked up on a contract. We get a big bopper for the long term at 1b Freeman will have oppurtunity elsewhere. And that leaves LF open to a cheaper option maybe someone that can run and play D.
McLouth Schafer Diaz outfield to start until Heyward is called up. if he doesnt start opening day that is. We got Infante, Prado, Blanco, Jones as other options if Schafer doesnt make the team.
Does that make sense or is it too far fetched???
Efrim
October 28th, 2009
8:49 pm
Jair’s perceived value is higher than his actual value, but that doesn’t mean that the Braves should just trade him for an equal offensive piece. Especially when there are other options to fix the holes that this team has.
That’s an unbelieveable contract extension for the Braves if they can ink Hudson for 24-27 million.
Lastly, the Philadelphia Phillies stole Cliff Lee from the Cleveland Indians. Again, I understand that they were cash strapped. But they couldn’t pry one of Taylor, Brown or Drabek? How about D’Arnaud? A cryin shame.
Braves Paisan
October 28th, 2009
8:50 pm
LaRoche is a proven 25 homer guy, with an excellent glove. I am sorry, but Freeman’s numbers — ESPECIALLY his power numbers — weren’t great this year. He hit 2 homers and slugged .342 in 41 games in Mississippi, and “they” say that AA ball is where a lot of prospects get stuck.
nolie
October 28th, 2009
8:51 pm
$24-27m for a pitcher like Hudson? that will surprise me. I would think closer to 30. great deal if it happens
VaBraveFan
October 28th, 2009
8:53 pm
Steve from OH
Trading Lowe wont free up alot money, he will either be traded for a equal bad contract bat, or traded away and we will have to eat some of his salary. I’d love to see Bay or Holliday come here but i dont see the Braves giving them a huge contract 16-20 mil a year like reports have said. We prolly could land one but then we wouldnt have any funds for the bullpen. Best case scenerio is the Braves dumping Lowe without having to eat contract, we might not get a good return for him , but we will have alot more money to solify the bullpen and put a decent outfielder out there. Its just hard seeing the braves making a huge move to aqure that big bat , it could happen tho.
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
8:53 pm
Braves Paisan–I’m not concerned about Freeman’s power numbers yet at all. He’s still very young (especially for AA) and I think what they said about Heyward last year is applicable to Freeman this year–that he needs to learn to use his hands more and use his frame to generate the power that everyone knows is there. I’ve read that he hits moonshots in BP but in the games he’s more of a LD hitter. He’s a big boy and has a lot of positives in his game already, so I have complete confidence he’ll figure it out.
Goldenglove002
October 28th, 2009
8:54 pm
Well, no one is ever untradeable. If I was offered Evan Longoria or Ryan Braun it would of course be tempting. That being said, I completely agree about how there is no need to trade, or even shop JJ. Great young pitchers like this don’t come around to often, and his value is great.
And before everyone else passes over it, is that option part of the speculation that Hudson is close to a 24-27 MIL 3 year deal or have I just missed over something in my time away from putting all focus on baseball?
Steve from OH
October 28th, 2009
8:56 pm
Well, that’s a big “if”, vabraves. Honestly, I haven’t been following the team/MLB much at all lately so I don’t really know. But if they do rid themselves of all 15MM of his salary, plus KJ’s 2MM and add in Soriano/Gonzo on top of it along with Church’s money and GA’s 2.5MM…the cash will be there.
nolie
October 28th, 2009
8:57 pm
if the yanks win tonight against lee it is gonna make it mighty tough for philly
P. W. Hjort
October 28th, 2009
9:04 pm
I’m amazed at how silly and close minded some of these comments are.
People are acting like there’s no better player than Jurrjens in baseball. Get over yourselves, there are plenty of trade scenarios involving Jurrjens that, if they presented themselves (which isn’t likely), Wren would be crazy not to do. Jurrjens is good. He’s a legitimately good pitcher. Young, pre-arb, got all the intangibles, etc… But he ain’t no Felix Hernandez. Don’t kid yourselves.
jeffrey d
October 28th, 2009
9:10 pm
If we’re lucky he WILL be on another team soon!
No, that other team is lucky
Efrim
October 28th, 2009
9:16 pm
But he ain’t no Felix Hernandez. Don’t kid yourselves.
In terms of starters 26 years of age and under, Felix, Greinke, Lincecum, Verlander and Lester are in an elite group imo. Kershaw too.
P. W. Hjort
October 28th, 2009
9:17 pm
Rosenthal, exactly 15 days ago
Rosenthal, today
Can we all agree to never listen to anything Ken Rosenthal says? Ever again?
Soph
October 28th, 2009
9:17 pm
I love Al Horford.
jeffrey d
October 28th, 2009
9:19 pm
Aw shoot the Hawks game is on! Thanks Soph…
jeffrey d
October 28th, 2009
9:20 pm
I too love Al Horford. So maybe there’s hope for me liking Tim Tebow after college. He really is too good of a guy not to like.
P. W. Hjort
October 28th, 2009
9:20 pm
Efrim -
In terms of starters 26 years of age and under, Felix, Greinke, Lincecum, Verlander and Lester are in an elite group imo. Kershaw too.
I agree. Hanson, Buchholz, and a few more will join them shortly.
Soph
October 28th, 2009
9:20 pm
You missed most of it! 7 minutes left in the 4th. So far, all offense, no defense.
Greg Olson Homers
October 28th, 2009
9:21 pm
DOB and denizens,
Do you think it would be wise or feasible to simply dump Lowe at this point for basically nothing in return?
We didn’t trade for him so we don’t have a ’sunk cost’ investment. And, if the Hudson rumors are true, we don’t need him. That $15 million is a LOT to free up for signing free agents (like Laroche and another bat).
In fact, (and I am just hypothesizing at this point) you could also turn around with that money and extend Vasquez who has been a journeyman and likes Atlanta so he might sign early. I mean, who here wouldn’t rather have Vasquez under a 3-year contract instead of Lowe?
jeffrey d
October 28th, 2009
9:22 pm
I’m not liking Horford’s facial hair
Tomas
October 28th, 2009
9:24 pm
There is no way in hell i’d trade Jurrjens, unless they offer Braun, Longoria, Justin Upton, or Ryan Zimmerman, and even then I’d have a hard time letting go. One thing is for certain, Hanson and Jurrjens are untoachable.
What I really want is the Braves to sign Hudson to 3 years 25 million(8.33mill/per yr), and trade Lowe to a team and get rid of that contract. I really don’t care what they get in return. If the Angels offered Garry Matthews and a prospect for Lowe I’d happily take it.
Thats what I would want, I don’t know if it’s reasonable to hope for that, but it certainly isn’t unreasonable considering Matthews contract is worse than Lowe’s, and he won 15 games pitching in 190 innings, with a history of bounce back seasons.
I’d also sign Xavier Nady to 2 yrs 10 million.
CF Nate Mclouth
2B Martin Prado
3B Chipper Jones
1B Xavier Nady
C Brian McCann
SS Yunel Escobar
LF Matt Diaz
RF Garry Matthews
Non-tender Kelly and Church if unable to trade them. Offer arbitration to Mike Gonzalez, and Adam Laroche(obviously he isn’t going to take it and he is a type B FA). Sign Billy Wagner, and Brandon Lyon to whatever they ask.
jeffrey d
October 28th, 2009
9:24 pm
I’d like to see Al take the next step, though…he’s only averaging 10 points or so a game.
It’s funny how unbearable Bob Rathbun is when he calls the Braves, but I actually like him doing basketball.