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McFann Ô
November 1st, 2009
11:16 pm
Bravesheart If he didn’t take out Posada, it may not have mattered if he touched the plate. He might have been out.
Well, tough toenails!
Actually, doesn’t affect me one way or the other…I don’t care too much for Posada for whatever reason.
Neight But kind of insulting to Mary, don’t you think?
Totally. Little insulting to Jesus as well…isn’t that a sacrilege or something?
P. W. Hjort
November 1st, 2009
11:19 pm
And of course the trivia answer is Bob Gibson.
keylargo
November 1st, 2009
11:26 pm
CCDUMASS – It is almost impossible to keep up with the blog and what has been written before. Just three different posters, counting N8 conveying the same message though. Damon has a noodle for an arm
nolie
November 1st, 2009
11:28 pm
but i can see him starting at AAA (Chip)
I would think that AA is more likely
Braveheart
November 1st, 2009
11:29 pm
What about Judas? Do we worry about his feelings being hurt by being compared to Damon? Judas might be like I’d sell out to Pilate, but I wouldn’t sell out to Steinbrenner.
Sum Ting Wong
November 1st, 2009
11:43 pm
Chan Ho Park best pitcher since Steve Carlton or maybe Bob Gibson.
TnBrian
November 1st, 2009
11:47 pm
I’ll bet Sabathia has bigger turds than Victorino & Rollins… combined.
David O'Brien
November 1st, 2009
11:53 pm
How can you explain that? Utley hits three homers off Sabathia in two World Series games, after Sabathia gave up just three homers to left-handed hitters in 197 at-bats during the season.
jeffrey d
November 1st, 2009
11:57 pm
Utley hits three homers off Sabathia in two games. Bizarre
Gotta be the hair.
jeffrey d
November 1st, 2009
11:58 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Two-homers-for-Chase-Utley-who-looks-slick-mda?urn=mlb,198886
Soph
November 1st, 2009
11:59 pm
Gotta be the hair.
Ugh, not when it’s all slicked back and nasty like that.
Andrew
November 2nd, 2009
12:06 am
come on swisher sweet
Steve from OH
November 2nd, 2009
12:19 am
Oh, and you could tell Joba was feeling all uppity before that HR too…
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
12:20 am
C’mon Phils !!!
Andrew
November 2nd, 2009
12:22 am
why is everyone rooting for the sillies?
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
12:25 am
why is everyone rooting for the sillies?
I’m not, personally, but 1996 and 1999 is a good start.
jeffrey d
November 2nd, 2009
12:26 am
come on swisher sweet
Swisher sweet?
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
12:27 am
Mark Wohlers comes to mind.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
12:27 am
Question:
How bad is Jake Fox’s defense and where does his glove play best (besides DH)?
Andrew
November 2nd, 2009
12:28 am
yea like swishersweets stoagies
Soph
November 2nd, 2009
12:31 am
McCarver’s in la-la land as usual.
joseph killeen
November 2nd, 2009
12:32 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY JJ IS OUR GUY WE NEED HIM ITS HIM HANSON AND MIKE MINOR AND MEDLEN THATS UR NUCLUS OF THE FUTURE JJ IS A BEAST WE LOVE YOU JJ GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
12:35 am
Well at least all the homers were able to chime in and let us know that there is no player in baseball good enough to trade Jj for,
Andrew
November 2nd, 2009
12:36 am
lol joseph killeen nice post
jeffrey d
November 2nd, 2009
12:36 am
Well nolie, JJ is our nuclus.
Andrew
November 2nd, 2009
12:38 am
yesssssssssssss come on yanks whoooooooooaa
Soph
November 2nd, 2009
12:38 am
Whoa. All on two outs.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
12:40 am
aha like in a nukular reactor
Andrew
November 2nd, 2009
12:41 am
BALLGAME!!!!!!!!!!
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
12:41 am
Damn Yankees !
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
12:46 am
Nolie
Here’s another mental midget:
The real INTELLIGENT Braves fans have never suggested trading Jurrjens. The only ones that suggest crap like that simply don’t follow baseball that closely.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
12:50 am
Man, the Lakers really exploded in the 3rd quarter, no?
Oh well.
I do like this Teague character. Saw him play last year vs. Georgia Tech, best college basketball game I’ve ever been to. I think he has the makings of a pretty good point guard at some point, perhaps sooner than later.
Josh Smith just keeps getting better and better. It’s really hard to believe that he’s only 23 years old.
I like the future of this Hawks team. I don’t think they have enough this year to make it deep into the playoffs, but I think if they’re able to develop/acquire a legit all-star center, they’ll be in the conversation with the core they’ve got.
Imagine a Teague/Joe/Josh/Horford/Pau Gasol (or someone of the sort) starting 5 in 2 years.
Steve from OH
November 2nd, 2009
12:53 am
Probably the best award ever:
http://deadspin.com/5394723/pitcher-known-for-mustache-wins-mustache-award
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
12:53 am
yeah KL, I saw that one earlier. I’m not advocating shopping the guy, but in the unlikely event that a deal for the right player is offered you have to at least consider it. There has to be a dozen guys I would trade him for, probably more including pitchers. First thing you learn is you can’t fall in love with the talent.
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
12:56 am
My SPIDERS won again, setting a state record with 18 “W’s” in a row for Div. 1 schools – that’s ALL schools, HOKIE fans. Eat your hearts out.
jeffrey d
November 2nd, 2009
12:56 am
The Hawks/Lakers game was tonight? Shoooot
richbrave
November 2nd, 2009
12:58 am
TRADE JURRJENS. Oh, hell no!!!!
Soph
November 2nd, 2009
12:58 am
jeffrey, dude that’s like the second game you’ve completely missed. It’s okay though – the second half was not fun at all.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
1:01 am
Here’s another mental midget:
This thread is littered with comments like that. Sad thing is, most fans probably share that position. Case study on perception and reality.
BravesFanChris25
November 2nd, 2009
1:04 am
Boog! Interviewed A-Rod.
Wayne in Utah
November 2nd, 2009
1:15 am
I think Mary would be offended if she were compared to Damon. I have heard she had an adequate arm.
Moby Grape (concerning our friend from last night)
We can only hope!
Jay212033
November 2nd, 2009
1:18 am
Possibly one more game until the off-season officially starts YEAH!!!
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
1:20 am
PWH & Nolie
Do you wonder what they would be saying next year if JJ has a Cole Hammels like year?
I don’t advocate shopping him either but I could not turn down Braun for JJ. No way anyone could be comfortable with 3 arbitration years followed by free agency with Boras as opposed to Braun, who has a heavily backloaded contract for the next 6 years. Braun makes $1M in 10 with gradual increases up to $12M in 2015
Wow
November 2nd, 2009
1:34 am
“Do you wonder what they would be saying next year if JJ has a Cole Hammels like year? ”
I don’t think that would be good for anyone.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
1:36 am
I’d like to think most people won’t be screaming for a player to be traded only because of a hit-unlucky year, but they’ve done it before (Johnson, Lowe, etc…)
The better posters here realize he is what he is and that probably won’t be any different a year from now, regardless of how good/bad his results are in 2010. I expect the homers and the talking heads to change their positions based on his results, but the smart people–the people who look at things the way they are, through no emotional filter–will be saying the same things they’re saying right now. Usually – “He’s a very valuable commodity. His ERA is probably a bit of an illusion. If the right deal comes around you make it, regardless of who it involves.”
N8
November 2nd, 2009
1:56 am
P.W. Hjort, for me it has less to do with Lowe’s ERA results, than it does with his salary. If Hudson is signed at around 9 million per year, this team can certainly use the extra 6 million dollars for the rest of the roster.
It doesn’t matter here nor there what the ERA results would be next year Even if Hudson has a 4.67 ERA next year, he’d still be a better value at 9 million vs. 15 million, right?
I guess the only two ways trading Lowe turns out to be a bad thing, is if Hudson goes down in April with a season ending injury and we could have used the veteran innings eater (why Lowe was brought on in the first place), or if it backfired and D-Lowe has a Vazquez type year next year and gets Cy Young consideration.
My guess is at the end of the year, Hudson and D-Lowe will have about the same innings pitched totals, their ERA’s will be withing shouting distance of each other’s and both will have been very good pitchers for whoever they pitch for, and neither will likely receive any Cy Young votes (though Hudson could be in the running for comeback player of the year).
So with that thought process, find me a GM out there that wouldn’t swap out a 15 million dollar guy for a 9 million dollar guy that will give you the same results?
I say that if Wren has ANY intentions of signing Vazquez to an extension before he hits free agency, it is a MUST to sign Hudson at the rumored 9 million and trade Lowe as fast as he can to the first team willing to take the full contract.
Option two would be to sit down with Lowe and Boras and see if THEY are interested in tearing up the remaining 3 years/45 million contract and signing a 3 year extension for around 27 million. But I have the feeling that Boras wouldn’t be OK with that.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
2:02 am
P. W. Hjort, uh…. yeah…. never mind.
I just realized that your 1:36 post was about JJ possibly having a bad year. Not about people now wanting to trade Lowe.
To chime in on that, JJ’s different than Hamels, imo. Hamels is currently in year one of a 3 year/20.5 million extension he signed following last year’s WS heroics. They rewarded him for a job well done and he is now EXPECTED to pitch like an Ace. Jair made 450K last year and isn’t eligible for arbitration for another year (or two?).
If JJJ has a poor year, he’s a young guy having a down year. Cole Hamels was expected to lead that team back to the WS. Instead, his down year forced the Phillies to trade for Cliff Lee (too bad for them, right?)
As for my rant on Lowe? I still meant all of it. LOL
Wayne in Utah
November 2nd, 2009
2:02 am
N8
Ya think? (Boras being not ok w/ tearing up Lowe’s contract)
N8
November 2nd, 2009
2:10 am
Wayne…. oh, he’d be alright with tearing it up. Just ask the Dodgers and JD Drew. But to tear it up for a smaller one? Yeah… Not so much. LOL
Though it would be funny as hell to be on the line if Wren were to propose such nonsense, wouldn’t it?
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
2:13 am
Maybe I’m not following your thought correctly Nate, but you can’tredo a contract for less overall money.
nolie
November 2nd, 2009
2:18 am
Damn Yankees. As I’ve said all along I want them to lose, but I don’t think the Phils can beat them. Boo !
N8
November 2nd, 2009
2:28 am
nolie, it was pure sarcasm. My suggestion is to trade Lowe and sign Hudson (at the rate DOB has said it’s rumored to be). I was just being a smart ass saying that Wren could call Boras and make the “offer”
cdog
November 2nd, 2009
2:48 am
NO JURGENS IS ONE OF YOUR PITCHERS OF THE FUTURE. WHO THEY NEED TO LET GO IS RAFAEL SORIANO, AND MANNY ACOSTA ALONG WITH KELLY JOHNSON. THESE MEN ARE THE REASON THE PHILLIES ARE STILL PLAYING AND THE BRAVES ARE NOT. BETWEEN THEM THEY COST THE ABOUT 17 LOSSES IN THE STANDINGS.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
2:55 am
cdog, I’m not sure this post will successfully inform you of the irony of your blog name being typed in lower case letters, while your entire post is done entirely in ALL CAPS. But I had to try.
What’s the problem? Too lazy to add in some italics or bold comments? Step up your game!!
Couch Tater
November 2nd, 2009
8:07 am
Blind Golded Monkey Award: (Thanks, N8)
I’m not a race fan, but I do (try to) watch Talladega. Is there a more boring telecast? Circle after circle of cars in a line, big wreck, anticlimatic ending under a caution flag. It seems to me, NASCAR would have a better product filming I285 on Friday afternoon.
reagan
November 2nd, 2009
8:09 am
PW (12:27)….since I am the guy who kept pounding about the possibilities of getting Jake Fox………yea…I did some digging and his defense is VERY suspect. However….all the slams I saw were concerning his play at 3rd. Didn’t see anything knocking his play at left field. If you and I know about his defense then so does Wren.
Couch Tater
November 2nd, 2009
8:10 am
Grrr. anticlima”c”tic. I get a Blind Golded Monkey.
Jeff R
November 2nd, 2009
8:30 am
DOB, where is Minor likely to start the 2010 season? Mississippi?
Geez, I hope the Phils find a way of pulling a rabbit out of their … cap. Listening to obnoxious Ynakee fans brag all winter makes my stomach turn.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
8:50 am
Can’t believe that ninth inning last nining by the Phillies. Seemed more like a ninth by the Braves for much of last season.
How was no one covering third base when Damon took two bases on the steal? And how can Lidge really not throw his slider if there’s a runner at third in that situation? Without the slider, he’s Mr. Ordinary — at best, ordinary.
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
8:52 am
N8-
i think wren has to extend vaz before trading lowe. lowe certainly isn’t going to restructure, and the braves are not going to defer money on his deal. if vaz won’t take a deal similar to huddy’s that replaces his current 2010 year, then i think you’ve got to consider him as a trade chip as well.
there’s no sense in keeping vaz if he’s going to cost the same as lowe as he’d likely be easier to trade this winter than lowe would. my guess is that he would welcome an extension to remain close to home and in a positive environment. i think it’s likely we could keep vaz for the same 3/27 that hudson appears destined to receive.
get huddy done today and move on quickly to vaz. might consider a long term deal for hanson while he’s at it.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
8:53 am
My 8:46 a.m. is leaving on time, supposedly. Which should put me into Phoenix at 11:20 out there. Gives me a little over an hour to get rental car and drive to Mesa for the start of the game that Minor’s pitching. I might be able to make it, since Mesa’s east of the airport and I won’t have to drive through Phoenix to get there.
If Huddy signing happens in the next several hours, I won’t be able to write it. But we’ll have someone on it if it happens. Not sure if it’ll be today or not.
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
8:53 am
DOB,
asked a few days ago, but didn’t see your response:
can you shed some light on your “no-laroche-hunch”?
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
8:56 am
DOB-
excited to hear your views on what you see from Minor pending you arrive on time. I don’t see him as much of anything beyond a MOR-BOR guy, but having another starter tracking for the 2010/2011 rotation (while also a lefty) bodes very well for the club.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
8:57 am
rtrafford: a long-term deal for Hanson? Why? The guy’s got less than one year of service in the majors. God forbid he has a major injury or something in the next year or so, but such things do happen.
There are reasons you don’t see teams signing players with less than a year of service to long-term contracts. It’s not necessary, and there are many other pressing matters before they would feel compelled to lock up Hanson to a long-term deal. The guy’s not going to be eligible for arbitration until after the 2012 season. That’s 2012.
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
9:03 am
The guy’s not going to be eligible for arbitration until after the 2012 season.
and the world may have ended by then anyways. so, no reason to sign hanson to a long term deal.
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
9:05 am
on Hanson- i’m thinking in terms of a McCann type deal or a Longoria type extension. extend early and avoid the impact of the arb years. perhaps winter 2010 would be a more favorable window with Tommy.
David O'Brien
November 2nd, 2009
9:07 am
Yes, N8, I guess the GM could call the most powerful agent in the sport and say, “Hey, let’s stomp all over the collective bargaining agreement and make Lowe’s contract smaller. I know it could never be approved by the union, so we’ll just not tell anyone. Keep it between the three of us — you, me and Derek. Come on, help a brother out.”
I know: you were being sarcastic. But it’s still silly.
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
9:08 am
why do it? simply because I believe that he is THAT good, that his arb years will see significant increases. the overall cost of the full term may well be less than what he would earn during those arb negotiations combined.
Couch Tater
November 2nd, 2009
9:09 am
Jimmy Rollins deflected blame from Lidge to himself. `”I take responsibility for it,” Rollins said. “I make sure the pitcher knows that he knows on a steal he has to cover third. At that time I didn’t really mention anything to Brad, so when he made the pitch in his mind it was just a regular steal. But with the way the defense is set up it’s my job he makes sure he knows to go to third. I’m the captain of the infield. That’s my job.” Andy Martino-Philly.com
Classy comment from Rollins.
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
9:11 am
the GM would have to keep the “Lowe discussion” between “you, me, Derek, and the DOB blogosphere.”
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
9:13 am
rtrafford, DOB just pointed out that hanson wont be eligible for arbitration until AFTER 2012, so the braves have a long time before thinking about buying out his arbitration years. its something that may happen eventually, but definitely no reason to do it this offseason.
Random
November 2nd, 2009
9:22 am
Hey, y’all, it ain’t over yet.
Or has no WS champ ever come back from a 1-3 deficit?
I’m still pulling for the Phillies — it ain’t the regular season, you know. And if Yankees lose, they may be ripe for taking Lowe off our hands — Lowe for Swisher+ ?
(Still rooting against Victorino, though.)
rtrafford
November 2nd, 2009
9:31 am
DAP, I’m well aware of the arb process and time line. I simply suggested that somewhere in the near future the club may want to visit the possibilities of a long term contract for Hanson. That’s all.
keylargo
November 2nd, 2009
9:36 am
Someone, and I won’t name them to protect the guilty, suggested that the Braves go ahead and sign Jason Heyward to a contract to avoid having to deal with the Super Two and arbitration issues. Note that this was back in the summer, almost a year before he will eventually play for the Braves.
Hmmmmm, I wonder who would suggest something wildly unrealistic to do with Heyward?
rico43
November 2nd, 2009
9:38 am
DOB: While you’re out there, please try to get some kind of lowdown on why the hades the Braves fired top scout Battista in favor of some yes-man for the new director of scouting. This guy found us Hanson, Freeman and Medlen, among several others, and nowhere to be found (except on Shanks’ blog) is there any discussion of this at all. Maybe stuff below the big league level is off your personal radar, but many of us care about news like this.
While you’re at it, what the heck happened to Kent Willis, the minor league pitching coordinator?
Rock On......
November 2nd, 2009
9:53 am
As hard as it may have been to believe the Phillies meltdown in the 9th, it was even harder to believe that the Phillies didn’t start Cliff Lee on 3 days rest. I understand that he has never started a game on 3 days rest but the Phillies were in a MUST win game last night and you have to throw your best out there in games 1,4 and 7 if there is a game 7. The Phillies don’t have the pitching to go 4 deep in the rotation. Think the Phils might be looking for pitching this off-season?
Last night punctuated my comments of so many blogs. It is all about pitching #1 and when it isn’t–it is all about pitching. Vazquez, Jurrjens, and Hanson are untouchable in my opinion.
Rock On......
November 2nd, 2009
9:59 am
Random…I think it has been 24 years since a team came back from a 1-3 deficit (KC). A fact that I guess was lost on Manuel when opting for Blanton to start game 4.
Random
November 2nd, 2009
10:00 am
P. W. Hjort (November 1st, 2009 10:22 pm): “Why did Fire Joe Morgan shut down?”
“After 21 years, and almost 40 million posts (we’ll have to check those numbers, but it’s something like that), we have decided to bring FJM to an end.
“Although we have not lost our borderline-sociopathic joy for meticulously criticizing bad sports journalism, the realities of our professional and personal lives make FJM a time/work luxury we can no longer afford.”
Just as some day you’ll be saying “good-bye” to the Braves/MIB blog.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
10:00 am
While you’re out there, please try to get some kind of lowdown on why the hades the Braves fired top scout Battista in favor of some yes-man for the new director of scouting.
First of all, the average fan doesn’t care. It’s not DOB’s job to appeal to prospect huggers (sp? 1 “g” or 2?) or any sort of niche market. There are sites like Baseball America for that.
Secondly, it probably wasn’t a performance thing seeing as he was a rather good scout. So, it was probably something not related to his job. And I really doubt that the Braves’ Front Office is going to go on record and tell DOB the reason that he was fired if it was something personal.
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
10:06 am
rtraffordI simply suggested that somewhere in the near future the club may want to visit the possibilities of a long term contract for Hanson. That’s all
really, you implied they should do it this offseason, and they definitely shouldnt. if he keeps pitching well and doesnt get hurt, hanson is definitely a candidate to have his arbitration years bought out, maybe 2 seasons from now.
Rock On......
November 2nd, 2009
10:07 am
Next thing we know we will be watching baseball while carving Thanksgiving turkey. Baseball ain’t meant to be played in November or even late October. If the Rockies had made the WS two games would have been snowed out. Time to shorten the championship season. Hell, I can’t even find anyone that cares about the World Series. The hated Phillies against the best team money can buy. Not much to love there.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
10:12 am
Random -
The Relatively Short Goodbye
Again, from the bottom of our hearts, thank you. And as Joe Morgan himself might say:
“I really haven’t seen them play…slidepiece…Dave Concepcion.”
The Relatively Short Goodbye Part II (Deadspin)
Thank you all again for the links and support over the last four years.
And as Steve Phillips might say: [Incomprehensible nonsense.]
Can’t decide which ending is better.
Daslied
November 2nd, 2009
10:17 am
The second gets my vote.
Random
November 2nd, 2009
10:17 am
Rock On (November 2nd, 2009 9:59 am): “I think it has been 24 years since a team came back from a 1-3 deficit (KC). A fact that I guess was lost on Manuel when opting for Blanton to start game 4.”
Nope. Imo he knew what he was doing.
Phillies coulda won had they not melted down in the field.
Point: 5th inning; Utley failes ti initiate a double play (or even get the lead runner) on Cabrera’s “infield single”. The lead runner (Swisher) scored, and Cabrera scored with one out. Instaed of two Yankee runs scoring in the 5th, only one (or none) should have.
Point: the 9th inning.
I do not fault Manuel for going with Blanton. He held up his end of the deal.
And now the Phillies are set up rotation-wise to sweep the next three games.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
10:18 am
I know DOB. I laughed as I was typing it. It was more of an exclamation point to my point, than the actual point itself. I think I just made myself dizzy.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
10:21 am
But I like the “help a brother out” part you added.
Nice touch.
As you’ve stated in a roundabout way, while Lowe might care because it may involve him moving. Ultimately, Boras doesn’t care if the Braves traded him because he negotiated a helluva deal for a 36 year old pitcher. Lowe will get that 45 million over the next 3 years from somebody. Which means Boras is getting his cut either way.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
10:37 am
Many mistakes in Game 4 | Inside The Book
Sabathia comes out for the 7th inning and you can sort of tell he is on a short leash (all the more reason for him not hitting in the top of the inning). It looks like if he allows a base runner or two, he is coming out the game. Marte is ready to go with Utley and Howard coming up. The first two outs are very hard hit balls. A manager can’t possibly take a pitcher out after OUTS, even if they are hit hard. I am being sarcastic of course. If the first two batters had reached via a bloop single and a bleeder through the infield, Sabathia would be out in a New York minute. Now, I am not saying that two hard hit balls means that Sabathia is not going to be effective anymore, but if a pitcher is on a short leash, shouldn’t how hard a ball is hit be more important than whether it is a hit or an out? Anyone that says that managers don’t go by results and that they OBSERVE pitchers to see if they are tired or ineffective, independent of the results, is full of crap (for the most part).
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
10:56 am
Anyone that says that managers don’t go by results and that they OBSERVE pitchers to see if they are tired or ineffective, independent of the results, is full of crap
whoever wrote that is using quite a broad brush. managers probably differ one to another on what they go on to evaluate a pitchers effectiveness. in fact, managers probably use different indicators for different pitchers, different situations, ect. this almost always happens when a fan tries to evaluate a managers decisions. they assume they have all the info and then over simplify the situation to decide what they would have done.
Don
November 2nd, 2009
11:03 am
Want Wren to make the Braves better – then untie his hands and let him fire Bobby Cox
McFann Ô
November 2nd, 2009
11:04 am
And what with Howard, anyway? Sheesh! Huh…You guys don’t even wanna know what this place would be like if the Braves cleanup hitter was batting around .200 in the World Series…
…and frankly, neither do I…
Daslied
November 2nd, 2009
11:06 am
Don, couldn’t Wren just use his mouth?
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
11:11 am
daslied, if hes going to fire someone, he has to have the donald trump finger point things going when he says “you’re fired”.
Lew
November 2nd, 2009
11:15 am
Tied hands are somewhat immaterial. I seriously doubt Wren is strong enough to lift Bobby and throw him out the window like Robert and the Misanthropes really want him to do.
N8
November 2nd, 2009
11:18 am
McFann, while having a cleanup hitter hit only .200 in the WS would suck. Since the Braves haven’t seen a WS game (other than on TV) since 99, I’ll give one free pass the first year they get back in to any hitter hitting only .200. Even our cleanup hitter. Unless of course, it happens to be Tex or Arod. Those guys should hit .500 for the money they’re making.
In other words, let’s get to a WS first before we talk about who would gripe about the results of individuals in said fictional WS scenario. LOL
O.J.
November 2nd, 2009
11:29 am
The only problem I have with Brad Lidge sucking so bad this season is that the Phillies might be in the Market for a closer as well.
P. W. Hjort
November 2nd, 2009
11:29 am
I seriously doubt Wren is strong enough to lift Bobby and throw him out the window like Robert and the Misanthropes really want him to do.
Agreed. I always tell people that if they think Wren has the authority to fire Bobby Cox they’re delusional/uninformed.
F. Wren
November 2nd, 2009
11:41 am
The Phillies don’t have the pitching to go 4 deep in the rotation. Think the Phils might be looking for pitching this off-season? Dumb as a Rock on
And who was the dumazz who repeatedly voiced their ill informed opinion that we did not need nor would we pick up the option for Tim Hudson.? It was you, Dumb as a Rock.
Think it might have been a given that Hudson would have ended up in the NL East with the Mets or worse the Phillies.
Rock On......
November 2nd, 2009
11:44 am
Random….I am counting on the dominance of Lee before I leave it to woulda shoulda coulda and the different scenarios of winning or losing that brings.
I understand your point about Manuel, but I put my best pitcher out there on three days rest to even the series as opposed to trying to sweep the Yanks with two of those in NY no less. If it did come down to the 7th game, Lee would be ready to go again on three days rest. No guarantee of course Lee would have won either but that is where I would have taken my chances. I said previously that Philly would win the thing if Lee pitched games 1,4,7. That didn’t happen and I think the Yanks momentum could beat Lee.
DAP
November 2nd, 2009
11:46 am
there is a post up at MLBTR about leftfield trade candidates. is there anyone you guys like on there?
Lew
November 2nd, 2009
11:50 am
Just heard from the Braves’ PR office and they’re going to try to give Hank his portrait this week. Hopefully there will be photos of the event. I’ll post them if and when-probably on the Friend of The DOB blog site RHR set up.