2:03 am October 22, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 23rd, 20093:14 pm
Your 2:40 to keylargo could have been said – keylargo you’re wrong and I’m right. Us ADD southerners maybe would have been able to understand that. Fleming
I’m certain he would have said that if only he was right. But he wasn’t. He has a very difficult time saying he is wrong.
October 23rd, 20093:15 pm
Paul, the Padres already have a replacement at first (Kyle Blanks). And we’re not getting Gonzalez for Freeman and Medlen. It would be those two plus one of Hanson or Heyward, minimum. His popularity, production and low cost will require a ridiculous return, one that the Braves shouldn’t provide.
Hmm – trading with the padres and expecting reasonable demands, where have I heard that before? I just can’t (peavy) remember (Hanson) when that last happened.
October 23rd, 20093:16 pm
Freeman/Medlen/Schafer/Kimbrel might not even be enough to get Adrian Gonzalez. At least with Towers it wouldn’t have been, but this new GM might be different. Honestly, if it took a package like that to get him I wouldn’t bother with it.
October 23rd, 20093:35 pm
It takes a Southerner 10 minutes to say something a Yankee says in 10 seconds, but it takes a Southerner only 10 sentences to say something it takes a Yankee a million words to say.
October 23rd, 20093:37 pm
uga-brave: you’re somewhat sure of that, huh? Ok.
Anyway, just ate at the original Arthur Bryant’s near downtown K.C.. Can’t beat it. BBQ brisket sandwich, on white break (the only way they serve their sandwiches). Piled about 3-4 inches high.
Went to the college basketball Hall of Fame thing at Sprint Center. It ain’t Cooperstown, but pretty cool nonetheless.
October 23rd, 20093:40 pm
ugaaccountant……..your 3:13pm posting misses the point. I NEVER said that Kelly Johnson would turn down $3 mil from the Braves to be a back-up in order to start for another team while only making $1 mil.
I said earlier that the Braves would be FOOLISH to offer Kelly Johnson salary arbitration because of what he is likely to be awarded. I also said that the Braves would be foolish to even offer him $2.3 mil (80% of his 2009 salary) before they have to make a decision on whether to tender him or non-tender him.
Your posting made an irrevelant point. I never said that Kelly would turn down $3 mil. In fact, if the Braves were foolish enough to offer him $3 mil, Kelly would be a FOOL to turn it down.
The money the Wilpon’s made investing with Madoff was likely stolen from another investor.
The 2010 Mets – the best team stolen money can buy!
October 23rd, 20093:41 pm
Lentz – don’t be dense. The braves would love to have him at 2.3. That’s dirt cheap.
October 23rd, 20093:42 pm
Is Jake Sharp the next Danny Woodhead?
October 23rd, 20093:46 pm
Daslied……….your 3:15pm posting shows that you, again, are very selective in your comprehension of what I say.
In my 3:05pm posting, I said that a package CENTERING around Kris Medlen, Freddie Freeman (and whoever else Frank Wren needs to include to make it a fair trade) would be worth exploring. CENTERING does not mean “only” those 2 players.
As far as Kyle Blanks is concerned, he has outfield written all over him. Dude cant play a lick of first base. He has about as much potential to play quality first base as Adam Dunn does.
October 23rd, 20093:51 pm
TnBrian…………The Braves will not have to “mortgage the farm” in order to make a good trade. The Padres arent going to contend for a couple of years anyway.
Again, I never said that the Padres were going to trade Adrian Gonzalez. I said that the Braves have some interesting pieces to attract the interest of the Padres “should” they want to trade Gonzalez for prospects. It is worth exploring from the Braves perspective.
Worst case scenario, nothing happens. I seriously doubt that Frank Wren is going to overpay and give up Hanson or Heyward in a trade. Frank Wren’s track record in making trades is very good.
October 23rd, 20093:52 pm
The Padres are not going to trade Adrian Gonzalez. He’s cheap, young, talented, and very popular in the community
October 23rd, 20093:55 pm
ugaaccountant…………$2.3 mil for a back-up second baseman who wont get much playing time unless Prado gets hurt or turns out to be a bust…….AND……….Omar Infante gets hurt or has to fill in for another injured player as well………..is not a “bargain”.
Sure, Kelly Johnson had a couple of decent stretches in 2007 and 2008. However, as I’ve said before, baseball is a sport of making adjustments. Some players can, many cant make the adjustments necessary to prolong a career in baseball.
3 years ago, who thought that Austin Kearns would turn into a BUST?
October 23rd, 20093:59 pm
cabravesfan……….Again, I never said that the Padres were going to trade Gonzalez.
However I’m sure that the Padres also recognize that it is probably going to be 3 or 4 years before they can realistically contend. They have a number of holes to fill on that team. You cant tell me that they would not be interested in acquiring a young starting pitcher who will be under their control for 3 pre-arbitration years with potential (Kris Medlen) or a power hitting “natural” first baseman in Freddie Freeman…..along with whatever else Frank Wren were to dangle.
Again, it’s worth exploring. The “worst” thing they can do is say “no”.
October 23rd, 20094:08 pm
Paul that comment was not directed at you- just a general comment regarding the conversation…
October 23rd, 20094:11 pm
Would you do a trade with JJ for Adrian Gonzales? Maybe something to think about!!
October 23rd, 20094:14 pm
Paul, so you’d say the trade was centered around Freeman and Medlen, and Hanson or Heyward is a throw-in? Or are you being purposefully vague in order to easily “clarify” when questioned?
Ir doesn’t matter what position YOU think Blanks is suited for, by the way.
October 23rd, 20094:15 pm
Man, DOB, I wish I was eating some BBQ with you. I miss my Memphis joints – Rendezvous!!! I live in South Alabama now and they have terrible barbeque – mainly due to the mustard-based sauce. Come on, it’s gotta be vinegar-based! Mustard is un-American.
I didn’t realize that Kansas City had good barbeque til I ate at KC Pit Barbeque in Sandy Springs (when I lived in Atlanta). That place was pretty good.
I mentioned it before, but the new Will Hoge song “Even if it Breaks your Heart” is my favorite song that’s been released this year.
Paul, I just realized that you are Dwight from “The Office”.
You’re right! He’s annoying, he thinks he’s more smart and important than he really is…
October 23rd, 20094:16 pm
Bowman has a story up on the Braves site that they are in negotiations with Hudson for a 3yr contract believed to be around 27-29mil. I would love to see the Braves attempt to sign Vazquez for a contract similar to that,then attempt to trade Lowe if possible. I know this thought will be ridiculed, but I wonder if the Braves might consider using Jurrjens as a closer,similar to Smoltz.
Steve from OH
Here is another statement you made, basically saying KJ had good years in 07 and 08 and he would be a candidate for up to $4 mil in arbitration.
“Many of you forget that a salary arbitrator often takes into account past seasons when deciding whether to side with the player or team’s salary request.”
So what is it, big guy? Has Kelly in fact had very good seasons the last two years (which you previously denied) or do you just not understand the arbitration process? And if Kelly has had good seasons in the past, would it not be a good calculated risk to sign him for 2.5MM or whatever the number is?
October 23rd, 20094:18 pm
But he’s essential to the fun
October 23rd, 20094:19 pm
I don’t know if anyone has noted this:
Has Kelly in fact had very good seasons the last two years (which you previously denied)
It’s painfully obvious, Steve. If you take away about 40 of Kelly’s hits in 2008, he had a terrible season. Paul’s been kind enough to point this out before.
October 23rd, 20094:20 pm
Lentz – Johnson would likely be 1st off the bench before Infante for any injury except SS or CF. Kelly could play LF and Prado could play 1b, 3b or RF. This is based off Bobby’s most recent quotes. Doesn’t matter if you or I think he’s good or not, Bobby likes him a lot.
And if Bobby is just blowing smoke and really is just supporting a trade, then a KJ at 2.3 million is a nicer trade piece than nothing.
Basically, Kelly is an extremely nice insurance policy at 2.3 million. Just because we have another one in Infante doesn’t mean Kelly wouldn’t be used alot. For instance, look at how many at bats Brooks Conrad and Diory Hernandez got this year, plus Kelly’s at bats after Prado won the job. We were rather injury prone as a team in 09. But imagine if we were caught with long term injuries like the mets were?
A minimum of 2 good utility players actually worth playing should be kept. I strongly prefer Kelly to Church if for no other reason than Kelly has more trade value should say Schaefer and Heyward force their way into our lineup.
As you said earlier, you’d prefer another solid MRP. I value a 2nd utility guy more than a 2nd MRP (Moylan being first). A major reason for that is I find O’Flaherety and Medlen to already be solid MRP’s. I think ultimately Frank will agree based on how Bobby typically uses his pen. Bobby locks onto a handful of guys, so unless we buy someone clearly better than O’flaherety he won’t get meaningful innings.
Bay Area Steve
The “worst” thing they can do is say “no”.
Would someone please explain the intended meaning of this “posting?”
October 23rd, 20094:21 pm
cabravesfan – you need to do a macro for your Adrian Gonzalez comment so you don’t have to retype it so often
October 23rd, 20094:24 pm
Hooray!! The Phils put the Doggers out of their misery so no more screaming from Chip Caray. I can’t believe TBS couldn’t have found someone else to do their telecasts–takes him 10 words to just say “Hello”
JJ + more for Gonzalez is actually a deal I think might work for both sides, depending on the + more and the budget constraints.
I don’t understand the JJ as a closer notion. I don’t see how his skills would be suited to the pen, and I find he’s at worst our #3 starter so he wouldn’t be the one in danger of losing his job.
October 23rd, 20094:26 pm
BAS, Paul is secretly Durwood Fincher,Mr. Double Talk.
October 23rd, 20094:27 pm
takes him 10 words to just say “Hello”
Sounds like Paul
Not like it would matter…
October 23rd, 20094:28 pm
Anybody here watch Tosh.0 on Comedy Central? Good stuff.
Anywho, he was showin’ a drunk UGA fan last night, who looked like he, and his fellow fanatics, had been convered in flour. Would someone mind explaining what that ritual is? Do they just paint themselves white or somethin’?
Oh, and Thrashers lose tomorrow. Bad. NHL’ll probably consider contraction again. 15-1, minimum.
October 23rd, 20094:29 pm
ugaaccountant,not really saying it is the way I would want to go with JJ. Best alternative is trading Lowe and signing Vazquez to an extension.
October 23rd, 20094:30 pm
I love it when Paul tries to emphasize words by putting them in quotes.
October 23rd, 20094:32 pm
I ain’t trading JJ, for AG, but do ya think the Braves’d have to add more? I guess I overvalue pitching, or Braves players, but I think straight-up is purty even value, without actually looking at it, in any depth. Stat dudes, opinions? or thoughts, for scoots.
And, ugaaccountant, loved the line the other day about blog-tone. I forgot it now; I’d love to see it again.
October 23rd, 20094:33 pm
ugaaccountant……..your 3:13pm posting misses the point. Lentz
cabravesfan……….Again, I never said that the Padres were going to trade Gonzalez Lentz
TnBrian…………The Braves will not have to “mortgage the farm” in order to make a good trade Lentz
KeyLargo……………So again, I’ve shown that you are pretty selective when it comes to your interpretation on what I say. You conveniently point out selected posts I make, without taking into account previous postings that laid the groundwork for subsequent postings. Lentz
Daslied……….your 3:15pm posting shows that you, again, are very selective in your comprehension of what I say. Lentz
Does anyone see a pattern developing? KeyLargo
October 23rd, 20094:35 pm
Would you do a trade with JJ for Adrian Gonzales? Maybe something to think about!!
i wouldnt do that. im very attached to our young pitching.
October 23rd, 20094:38 pm
Only pattern I can see clearly is that he’s a rumbletard, a know-it-all, and a jerkish-nutbag, wrapped in the guise of an insufferable fool.
October 23rd, 20094:41 pm
Is that still comparing him to Dwight, or were you just ranting?
October 23rd, 20094:44 pm
om om om om om om om om om om om om …………………………….
October 23rd, 20094:49 pm
Paulie, how do you know I’m from the south? How do you know anything about me other than a blog handle and some opinions?
My earlier point was Lowe is likely trade bait. Johnson may rebound, but probably not as a Brave.
Not interested in debating how many angels dance on the head of a pin. Just want to obtain a righthanded power bat, if possible, to improve the offense.
October 23rd, 20094:50 pm
Keep the young arms. Jurrjens is worth more than a bat, and so is Hanson.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Billy
October 23rd, 20094:53 pm
Wow, trade JJ? Will not happen, unless…..nope will not happen.
October 23rd, 20094:55 pm
Oh, I don’t know. I see him more as a hormone-addled 13-year-old with visions of grandeur, that the most ravaged, hungriest, homeless cur dog would turn away from, if offered his hand.
But, I guess I could be erring on the high side, a little.
October 23rd, 20094:56 pm
I wouldn’t mind trading JJ for a bat if it was a good bat and not just a rental
October 23rd, 20094:57 pm
mlbtraderumors is reporting that extension talks have begun with Hudson.
its interesting how this hudson situation is playing out. many of us were hoping that we could keep hudson and trade kenshin or lowe. i for one didnt think this was possible. i figured that we just wouldnt be able to keep huddy, because lowe wasnt tradeable, and KK was alot of trouble to get, so they would be reluctant to trade him.
but what we were hoping for is happening. huddy could be getting extended, and if he does, either lowe or kenshin is more than likely out of here.
i think wren is going to make this work, and we are going to have one heck of a team in place for 2010.
October 23rd, 20094:59 pm
“You conveniently point out selected posts I make, without taking into account previous postings that laid the groundwork for subsequent postings.”
Wow. So you’re like…wow. I didn’t realize you were so multi-layered. Wow. Paul is the blog onion.
October 23rd, 20095:00 pm
So you’re saying that if we take away Kelly’s good AB and look only at his bad AB that his stats will look bad? A bold assertation. (STEVE)
yup, taking away those 6 ABs would leave nothing but bad stuff to look at OK.
October 23rd, 20095:02 pm
October 23rd, 20095:04 pm
What about Greg Norton??
Got to believe that Wren would put priority on moving Lowe if he signs Hudson. Just guessing on the market for him, but I could see the Cubs or Cards or Tigers having some interest in him. Not sure on the return from those teams, though.
Only pattern I can see clearly is that he’s a rumbletard, a know-it-all, and a jerkish-nutbag, wrapped in the guise of an insufferable fool.BAS
If you are going to taunt someone with a well thought out, descriptive post like that, you could top it off with smiling, grinning emoticon to show him just how you feel.
Mister Green is very easy to make
: mrgreen :
Just delete the spaces and you have him. Colon,mrgreen,colon – no spaces.
October 23rd, 20095:07 pm
jeff r, i was just daydreaming about trading lowe to the yankees for swisher, eating a small piece of lowe’s contract.
October 23rd, 20095:08 pm
“a hormone-addled 13-year-old with visions of grandeur…”
I’m more inclined to visualize Chucky with less common sense and less charm.
October 23rd, 20095:09 pm
DAP… I’d go for that…
Still like a Lowe/Ordonez swap. DOB, what would you think of a trade like that? I’m smart enough to know it will be tough, tough to trade Lowe because of, well, more than one reason. But, two pretty bad contracts, good deals for both sides.
October 23rd, 20095:11 pm
That’s a scenario I could live with.
October 23rd, 20095:13 pm
It amazes me how many people write out proposed lineups in any order. I mean, what is that? (RHR)
that is a young male baseball fan’s rite of passage. Even I did the same when I was 14, there just wasn’t an internet around for me to enlighten anybody else with my ‘knowledge’. In fact there weren’t any computers around to do it on either. Slide rule ruled.
October 23rd, 20095:15 pm
nolie, I thought when you were a young man a dinosaur ruled.
October 23rd, 20095:16 pm
Looks like I didn’t get my long answer posted. But basically the + more for Gonzalez depends on the length and dollars of his contract, which I don’t know. I’m assuming it’s at least 2 years or he wouldn’t be mentioned so often.
October 23rd, 20095:17 pm
If Wren’s plan is to “Get Better”, then why is our biggest problem still with us – Bobby Cox??? (Don)
I’m guessing that Donald is Robert’s middle name. He’s certainly as Cox-obsessed
October 23rd, 20095:19 pm
TnBrian – I’m just asking, but why would you trade a guy who won 15 games and pitched 200 innings for a guy who hit 310/.376/.428/.804 with 9 HR’s in 131 games? Plus he makes $18 Mill. I just can’t see that it would make the Braves a better team.
Matt Diaz had better stats in every category and will make about $2.5 mill this year.
October 23rd, 20095:25 pm
I wrote a “nice” post to Don earlier, but the blog ate it. I’ve never seen this guy post anything but Cox rants.
October 23rd, 20095:28 pm
trading with the padres and expecting reasonable demands, where have I heard that before? I just can’t (peavy) remember (Hanson) when that last happened. (Uga Acc)
Towers is gone ain’t he?
October 23rd, 20095:32 pm
Lot of talk in Boston that Bay won’t be brought back. He’s looking for a five-year deal (allegedly!).
He might break the bank, but if Frank Wren is really looking to upgrade the offense, he might be the guy to do it. Good power, patient hitter. Struck out a bunch this year and is no second coming of Rick Miller in the outfield — but he’s no Manny or Klesko, either. By all accounts, he’s also a good dude on and off the field (played college ball at Gonzaga … wonder how many times he passed by the statue of Bing Crosby and patronized Jack and Dan’s ….).
October 23rd, 20095:36 pm
nolie, I thought when you were a young man a dinosaur ruled. (CB)
actually I was around for the transitional phase
October 23rd, 20095:37 pm
Stingersplash im not sure if i would give bay 5 years either. if boston wont do it, who will?
October 23rd, 20095:38 pm
Was it Boston or La where Lowe got the very warm reception? They really seemed to like him in Boston as I remember. They have the payroll flexability and a pretty good closer as I remember. Hmm
October 23rd, 20095:40 pm
Hope it’s ok to rant like an idiot outloud…Don’t want Preacher Roe to asassinate me again.
October 23rd, 20095:41 pm
I figure even with Towers gone, the basic organizational philosophy in San Diego will remain. They still are a long way from contending and probably stll prefer to acquire the young cheap talent of the world.
Ya know what, just disregard the post. I think they hated Lowe in Boston.
October 23rd, 20095:43 pm
They still are a long way from contending and probably stll prefer to acquire the young cheap talent of the world (Uga Acc)
I think that’s likely true
October 23rd, 20095:49 pm
Let Hudson walk. Let Kelly Johnson and Church walk. Take the money and go get a damned bat. It really isn’t all that hard to figure out.
October 23rd, 20095:55 pm
so far lew, it doesnt look like thats what is going to happen. i think if wren senses any trade market at all for either lowe or kawakami, huddy is coming back.
October 23rd, 20096:02 pm
We’ll see. The shortest distance between two points…….
October 23rd, 20096:06 pm
Seems to be the scenario, DAP. Hudson is younger than Lowe, as we all know, and his contract would cost the Braves less. The key is then to offload Lowe’s contract and get a power hitter in return who’s worth it.
That’s tougher to do, but that seems to be where Wren is heading.
October 23rd, 20096:08 pm
Bowman is going to be Hudson’s next victim if he keeps “breaking news”…………..
October 23rd, 20096:10 pm
We’ll see. The shortest distance between two points …….
A Paul Lentz thought and his keyboard?
October 23rd, 20096:23 pm
Would you guys make this deal?
Red Sox get:
Yunel Escobar – SS
Daniel Bard – RP
Jose Iglesias – SS
Ryan Westmorland –
Rob from SC
October 23rd, 20096:26 pm
I have not be posting because my shoulder is still in a sling, but I have been keeping track of the old blog. Under no circumstances should Escobar be traded. He plays with passion and fire which is something this team certainly lacks. He is a superstar in the making. I love what Esco and Prado bring to this team
October 23rd, 20096:27 pm
October 23rd, 2009
October 23rd, 20096:29 pm
How is the ‘ol shoulder doing, Rob?
Lew, welcome to the “why does it have to be such a difficult decision even though it’s just my opinion” club.
This is how I feel about Chipper batting 3rd, and how I felt about KJ leading off to start the year (not even getting into him starting over Prado). In the end it’s just our opinions as fans. But you seem as fired up about this as you have been about anything in a while.
I don’t agree with you. Letting Hudson “walk” and just going to get a bat (I’ll assume you mean on the free agent market?), is third in my list of options.
1st would be to re-sign Hudson and Vazquez to extensions and trade Lowe. If the figures of around 9 million are accurate for Hudson over 3 years, why as a Braves fan would you NOT want the Braves to do that? They could STILL go get a bat with the money, even if Lowe was nothing more than a salary dump, and would have 6 more million to spend on said bat by ridding themselves of Lowe’s 15 million dollar salary.
The second option would be to re-sign Hudson, keep Lowe and go get a really good bat/glove by trading Vazquez. I think it’s within reality to dream of a possible Derek Lee for Vazquez type of swap. Not sure what else it would take. But Cubs need pitching, and Lee would certainly fill the void in between now and when Freeman comes up. He’s RH, hits for power and plays GG defense.
Then comes your option, imo. The ONLY reason to remotely consider your option is if you think that Hudson won’t hold up over the 3 years. If you’re of the belief that he’ll be medically sound, I cannot think of one good reason why you would rather have Lowe over Hudson. Not one.
As for trading KK? I don’t think it’s a wise move. He’s a steal at around 7 million per year the next couple of years. Who knows? Perhaps Wren is willing to trade BOTH Lowe and KK, and go into next year with a rotation of Hudson, Vazquez, Hanson and JJJ (at around 25 million per year combined over the next couple of years), finding an option at the 5th starter spot, and waiting for Minor.
Hard to say what Wren is going to do. But at this point, I don’t see Tim Hudson NOT being in a Braves uniform next year.
So you might as well get used to it Lew.
October 23rd, 20096:31 pm
Jay212033’s & BatMasterson’s back-2-back posts at 6:08 and 6:10 both made me laugh pretty hard.
Good stuff guys.
October 23rd, 20096:36 pm
Steve from OH
October 23rd, 2009
How is the ‘ol shoulder doing, Rob?
It is healing slowly. Had the stitches out Monday, but need to wear the brace until Nov 13. The shoulder feels really stiff
October 23rd, 20096:39 pm
any news on when Heyward will play again.
October 23rd, 20096:42 pm
I really like Esco as well but most people here don’t and as soon as he makes a mistake or doesn’t talk to the media he’s public enemy #1! Plus I can almost bet that most of you didn’t even check the guys stats invloved. We’d be receiving a potential closer, a 19y.o. above average defensive SS who’s bat is really coming along and another Jason Heyward.
October 23rd, 20096:44 pm
Escobar plays a premium position. I know the guys you mentioned.
October 23rd, 20096:51 pm
I still wouldn’t make the trade but that doesn’t even matter because the red sox wouldn’t make the trade. Why would they?
P. W. Hjort
October 23rd, 20096:52 pm
Brandon Hicks is 2-4 with a walk today. Freeman is 2-5 with a double and a K.
Lee Hyde gave up 2 walks and a homer and recorded only 1 out in his outing. He had been nearly perfect to that point.
So does Iglesias who would be his replacement. From all reports his defense is second to none and his bat is improving and he’s only 19(will be 20 in Jan.). So if we could get a closer, a younger Escobar and a salt version of Heyward you still wouldn’t make that deal?
October 23rd, 20096:56 pm
The Sox would make the trade because they need an established ML SS. Iglesias is still unproven at this point and Westmoreland is too far away. Bard is the only ML player they would be giving up.
October 23rd, 20096:57 pm
P. W. Hjort
They had Hyde recording 2 outs.
Steve from OH………..If Kelly Johnson is slated to be a back-up second baseman (not only is Martin Prado starting at 2nd……but Omar Infante is available should Prado get hurt or show that last year was a fluke).
Knowing that, why would the Braves knowingly waste $2.5 mil on Kelly Johnson if they dont have plans to use him in any other manner than pinch hitter? Because you certainly cant use Kelly as a late inning defensive replacement (unless you want to weaken your defense late in games).
While Greg Norton SUCKED A$$ as a pinch hitter, at least he only cost the Braves $800K in 2009.
If the Braves were confident enough in Kelly to give him a chance to play second base, then I could see them taking a chance and paying him $2.5 mil (as you suggest). However, from the way things look, Kelly will be spending most of the year on the bench.
October 23rd, 20096:59 pm
Excuse me, Hyde recorded 2 outs.
October 23rd, 20097:00 pm
N8,good post at 6:29pm,we are really going to find out how good a GM Wren is if he is able to get value for Lowe. I think signing Hudson at the salary they are talking about wiuld be a good move,giving the Braves app.6 mil per year extra to put toward budget. We need to talk to our friends in Detroit about trade possibilities.
October 23rd, 20097:03 pm
So the question still would be why would we make that trade? Braves feel they are a few key additions away from having a playoff caliber team so lets trade away our best and most consistent offensive player from the 2009 season for an unproven in Iglesias and Westmoreland who is still far off. Not to mention Boston thinks Bard can be their closer one day.
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