2:03 am October 22, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 22nd, 20095:04 pm
October 22nd, 20095:07 pm
Old Kincade gloating on 680thefan today about his Phillies.
I’m going to be forced to root for the Yankees (if they win the AL) b/c I just can’t find myself pulling for the stinking Phillies.
Frank Wren on the air in a few btw at 5:30pm
October 22nd, 20095:08 pm
You had a vent? I’ll have to go see that…
You make it sound like I’m too stupid to post a vent
Richbrave – The brewers would want one of Jurrjens or Hanson or Heyward, plus more players, for Fielder. We aren’t going to get some other teams MVP candidate for free.
Also I’m almost certain we can’t trade Laroche or Hudson. Even if they resign with us, you can’t immediately trade them. Think about the underlying fairness of a free agent choosing to sign with us and then we immediately send him to Milwaukee, where he had no interest in being? Guys put in a lot of service to reach free agency so they get at least half a season I believe with the team they chose.
October 22nd, 20095:09 pm
That was meant to sound a lot less angry than it probably appeared.
October 22nd, 20095:14 pm
In the outfield around McLOUTH, I would alternate KJ in left and DIAZ in right, with CHURCH on the bench (if he’s not hurt again) depending on the starting pitching from game to game. Then let HEYWARD come up after the deadline provided he doesn’t have a moment at GWINNETT like FREDDIE FREEMAN did at MISSISSIPPI. If HEYWARD’s not ready at that point, go get a corner to finish the season and thereafter. Lose GARRETT ANDERSON and pocket the 2.5 million plus get a possible Class B pick in the draft.
In the pen I would sign GONZO, provided he’s reasonable salary-wise, and lose SORIANO possibly getting a Class A pick in return.
October 22nd, 20095:18 pm
The vents aren’t as funny as they used to be. Now they let anyone post one.
October 22nd, 20095:19 pm
Is this yours Mixxo?
The Braves should be watching and learning from the Phillies. Think scrappy.
It has your name written all over it.
And they shoot down the good ones
October 22nd, 20095:20 pm
Well, that’s one way to go, but you’re right re: FIELDER. The price would be too high IMO. I certainly wouldn’t give up anything of real value in the short-term for a TEIXEIRA-type situation. As I said just a thought. As to LaROCHE, we could sign and trade. It’s not nice, but I’m sure it’s been done.
October 22nd, 20095:21 pm
Now, this UGA vent is funny.
We really can beat FLA.
Uh huh. Believe!
October 22nd, 20095:25 pm
Oh we CAN beat Florida. Arkansas almost beat them and we beat Arkansas.
That was probably an aberration, though and we’ll probably get our butts handed to us. I believe it was Bradley or Schultz who said this bye week was like a Green Mile for UGA heading to death row.
October 22nd, 20095:26 pm
You must have hit your head in the last few days or something. There’s no way the team keeps both KJ and Church in part time roles at 3+ Mil each and the only way they get a sandwich pick for Anderson is if they offer him arbitration and that will never happen as there’d be a good possibility he would accept it.
Not only that, isn’t the wait and see approach pretty much what the team did this past season with the OF? Yeah, look where that got them.
I mean I hate to nit pick and get on you like this, but that just stood out to me, among all the capitalizations and all…
October 22nd, 20095:27 pm
lol McFann – did you vote up jeffrey’s vent?
October 22nd, 20095:28 pm
Haha! Sorry, jeffrey! I didn’t mean it that way.
I’m seeing no vents with a -16 or whatever today…the lowest I’m seeing is -2.
Well, I mean you never know. Maybe UGA gets it together during the bye and does take out Florida. It’s possible.
October 22nd, 20095:29 pm
I can’t…don’t know where it is. What day was it from?
October 22nd, 20095:30 pm
Ok, I find it hard to believe there’s not a single traffic incident in Georgia so the Georgia Navi site must be having issues.
October 22nd, 20095:31 pm
Ah, thanks, Soph! See, I was looking at the Braves Only Vent…
DOB, that’s an eclectic list of music to be using against detainees. Especially considering that many of us subject ourselves to it voluntarily. It reminded me of that Kate Bush song, “Experiment 4.” “From the painful cries of mothers to the terrifying scream, we recorded it and put it into our machine.”
She’s definitely talking about the Barney theme song there!
October 22nd, 20095:34 pm
I don’t read the Braves Vents when the Braves are doing bad. It gets even stupider there than it does on here.
Or after UGA loses. Then all the Techies are like “huh huh huh…45-42!”
October 22nd, 20095:35 pm
forgive me if this has been posted already but it’s kinda awesome (in a really twisted kind of way )
October 22nd, 20095:38 pm
Haaa, McFann – you voted it down, didn’t you?
-18 and counting…
October 22nd, 20095:39 pm
I think I voted it down too….it’s better to have high interest in either direction than low interest. A -18 makes a much stronger point than a +3. Even if that point is “He’s an idiot”
October 22nd, 20095:41 pm
I guess I’ll be the -20th one then. I’d be honored.
October 22nd, 20095:42 pm
cabravesfan – I want to be sure I understand your viewpoint – are you in favor of a man using his business position to inflict further damage on his estranged wife?
October 22nd, 20095:43 pm
oh I don’t take it too personally.
October 22nd, 20095:44 pm
If you change “billions” to “millions” I do believe I make a valid point. Certainly not a negative 20 point.
October 22nd, 20095:46 pm
Hanson, Happ and Coghlan are the three finalists for Players’ Choice version of the NL rookie award.
Here’s complete list of their finalists for awards in each league:
2009 Players Choice Awards Finalists:
Outstanding Player: Derek Jeter (NY Yankees), Joe Mauer (Minnesota), Kendry Morales (LA Angels of Anaheim)
Outstanding Pitcher: Roy Halladay (Toronto), Zack Greinke (Kansas City), C.C. Sabathia (NY Yankees)
Outstanding Rookie: Elvis Andrus (Texas), Gordon Beckham (Chicago White Sox), Jeff Niemann (Tampa Bay)
Comeback Player: Russell Branyon (Seattle), Aaron Hill (Toronto), Scott Podsednik (Chicago White Sox)
Outstanding Player: Prince Fielder (Milwaukee), Albert Pujols (St. Louis), Hanley Ramirez (Florida)
Outstanding Pitcher: Chris Carpenter (St. Louis), Tim Lincecum (San Francisco), Adam Wainwright (St. Louis)
Outstanding Rookie: Chris Coghlan (Florida), Tommy Hanson (Atlanta), J.A. Happ (Philadelphia)
Comeback Player: Aaron Boone (Houston), Chris Carpenter (St. Louis), Nick Johnson (Florida)
Player of Year: Joe Mauer (Minnesota), Albert Pujols (St. Louis), Hanley Ramirez (Florida)
Man of the Year: Curtis Granderson (Detroit), Torii Hunter (LA Angeles of Anaheim), Albert Pujols (St. Louis)
October 22nd, 20095:49 pm
Man of the Year? I haven’t heard of that before…is that something that involves community service too?
I guess I did. Thanks for setting me straight. I promise not to misbehave again.
October 22nd, 20095:50 pm
I didn’t touch it, I swear!
October 22nd, 20095:51 pm
I’ll lurk around waiting for your takes on things, then…..
October 22nd, 20095:53 pm
ok I voted it down for you as well -21 and falling or is it 3 feet high and rising
October 22nd, 20095:54 pm
Not at all…I can’t stand either one of them and that thing is going to get ugly (and I am easily amused, what can I say?)
It has your name written all over it. – Soph
Nope, but I’d be proud to take credit for it.
Excellent analysis…..whoever penned it!
I guess Mauer gets all that special consideration because of that high AVG and the fact that his team made the playoffs, eh?
Didn’t see BMac get any consideration in ‘06…or ever for that matter…
October 22nd, 20095:56 pm
Oh lordy…Mixxo appears just as I pose my Q…
Don’t even mention defense because Mauer’s dropped considerably this year!
Hugging Harold Reynolds
October 22nd, 20095:57 pm
I worked for Baseball Tonight for years and years, and all I got was a hug.
October 22nd, 20095:59 pm
okay, just curious if that was your general evil nature, or recognition of the natural dominance of the male in a relationship
[note - the author of this post in no way endorses that second point of view]
October 22nd, 20096:01 pm
McFann Ô –
No sweat Fanny. I’m keeping my trap shut till next year on Mac.
Can’t hate on him anyway, he’s just too nice a guy.
October 22nd, 20096:03 pm
“It’s hard to get a good barstool for the Vikings game, officer”…
A Minnesota man has pleaded guilty to driving his motorized La-Z-Boy chair while drunk. A criminal complaint says 62-year-old Dennis LeRoy Anderson told police he left a bar in the northern Minnesota town of Proctor on his chair after drinking eight or nine beers AP
…”and they forced me to listen to that techno dance music.”
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 20096:05 pm
See the last few pages of yesterday’s blog for P.W.Hjort’s counterargument that they were really good.
You have completely missed my point. I don’t know how, I don’t think I could have possibly been more clear.
It’s not that Schafer’s minor league numbers are good (or bad). That’s not the argument I’m making. The argument I made is that Schafer’s minor league numbers don’t tell anywhere close to the whole story.
I’m as big of a stats nerd as anyone. But especially with prospects, you just can’t boil a player’s value down to their baseball-reference page. What scouts think is much more important than his OPS. Scouts thought he was ready to be a .300 hitting 20/20 player with high walk rates and plus plus defense in center at the start of the season. That’s what he is. Regardless of what his minor league numbers.
he isn’t good enough to displace McLouth for 2010 or likely 2011.
That is just not right. He’s likely to be better than McLouth both offensively and defensively. Perhaps as soon as late 2010, or even early 2010.
McLouth has hit .256/.343/.436/.779 in the past 10 months. Like it or not, that’s the real Nate McLouth. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a fine player. About average with the bat, bad in center, probably above-average at a corner, an asset on the base paths, la-la-la. But he ain’t the difference maker or impact player he was cracked up to be by all the beat writers and organizational mouths. Schafer is a future all-star center fielder in the mold of Grady Sizemore. He is that difference maker we all want McLouth to be.
Mixxo I’m keeping my trap shut till next year on Mac.
See that you do.
Eh, you did a pretty good job of it this year, so I wouldn’t say you can’t…Glad you finally came around to the right way of thinking, though. Hey, and he’s not a bad player, either. VERY good player and a class act–What the heck more could you want, anyway?
natural dominance of the male in a relationship
Not even sure if that deserves a response, or if I should start planning my revenge…
A Minnesota man has pleaded guilty to driving his motorized La-Z-Boy chair while drunk
Is it wrong that I totally want one? (the chair, not the DUI)
October 22nd, 20096:11 pm
Is it wrong that I totally want one? (the chair, (CBF)
me too. sounds cool
October 22nd, 20096:13 pm
pwhjort McLouth has hit .256/.343/.436/.779 in the past 10 months. Like it or not, that’s the real Nate McLouth.
you could be right, then again he could be the guy who OPS over .800 two season in a row and then for about 1/4 of a season before coming to atlanta and eventually getting injured.
October 22nd, 20096:15 pm
I found a better link with a picture. (He’s a graduate of William & Mary.)
October 22nd, 20096:19 pm
Didn’t realize that the Phillies have 80 or more wins for the past 9 seasons, and have 85 or more wins in 8 of the past 9 seasons. That’s pretty impressive. Not as impressive as winning a World Series, and earning two straight trips to the World Series, but still impressive.
The Phils are the first repeat NL pennant winners since the Braves in 1995 & 1996. 10 different franchises won the NL pennant during that time. The only ones who didn’t were the Brewers, Pirates, Reds, Expos/Nats, Dodgers, & Cubs. So inexcusable for the Cubs and Dodgers to find themselves lumped in with those 4 other teams considering the markets they play in and the financial resources at their disposal
I really like this Phils team. It’s a really cool team that I find hard to hate even though I very much want to, and feel very guilty for not hating them.
October 22nd, 20096:20 pm
(He’s a graduate of William & Mary.)
October 22nd, 20096:21 pm
William & Mary, huh? Maybe VJ can whip one up for me…
October 22nd, 20096:24 pm
OPS over .800 two season in a row
His OPS was 800+ in 382 PA’s with an 80% platoon advantage in 2007 and because of two BABIP-fluky months of 1.000+ OPS in 2008.
October 22nd, 20096:26 pm
Doesn’t appear to be a recent grad…and I am unaware of any William and Mary students ever drinking – it must be a mistake
Also, my talents lie in areas other than designing motorized furniture…
October 22nd, 20096:27 pm
For the 1st time in my life, I’m “Thinking Blue”
I love it.
October 22nd, 20096:39 pm
Why do I get the feeling the Dodgers are about to become the Raiders of baseball?
October 22nd, 20096:50 pm
Didn’t realize that the Phillies have 80 or more wins for the past 9 seasons, and have 85 or more wins in 8 of the past 9 seasons. That’s pretty impressive. Not as impressive as winning a World Series, and earning two straight trips to the World Series, but still impressive. Braveheart
Sad is Pittsburgh. Beginning in 1964, 17 years 80+ wins. Beginning in 1993 17 years of a losing record.
October 22nd, 20097:01 pm
Couch Tater Beginning in 1964, 17 years 80+ wins. Beginning in 1993 17 years of a losing record.
Sweet…so “only” 8 more seasons…
October 22nd, 20097:03 pm
Heres what i think we need to do. Trade medlin to the cubs for Jake Fox. That takes car of first base. Then find the top available outfielder that kills righthanders. Platoon diaz and said outfielder in left and put heyward in right. He is a stud that will at least do what anderson did this year and be way better on d. After that everything else is gravy. lock up huddy and convince someone to take lowe or kk and we should be set to make a run. If you havent seen fox he is a monster. With a full year of atbats i could see 28-30 hr with a solid 270-280 avg.
October 22nd, 20097:06 pm
Everyone remembers Buck Belue to Lindsey Scott in 1980 that paved the way to the Sugar Bowl win over Notre Dame and the National Championship.
Here is another thriller that most of you “youngsters” might not remember, but was a great win and improbable win for Ga.
Yes, Soph and JeffreyD, it can be done!
1975: Appleby to Washington
The 1975 Florida Gators came into the game ranked #7 with a 6-1 record, while Georgia was 5-2 and ranked #19. The Gators’ offense was led by RB Tony Green, who ran in for an early one yard touchdown to put the Gators ahead 7-0. Georgia was able to get on the board with a field goal, and the score was Florida 7, Georgia 3 as time was winding down in the fourth quarter. Georgia’s “Junkyard Dawgs” defense allowed yards between the 20s but nothing in the red zone. The Bulldogs set up at their own 25 with 3:10 remaining, and head coach Vince Dooley did something he rarely did: he called a trick play. Richard Appleby took a reverse to the right, but instead of running it as he did earlier in the game, he threw it downfield to a wide open Gene Washington for an improbable 75 yard touchdown. The Gators’ final field goal attempt never had a chance, as the snap was rolled to the holder. Georgia won 10-7.
October 22nd, 20097:11 pm
Good. I don’t think any UGA students have ever drank either.
October 22nd, 20097:13 pm
Yes but this isn’t a #7 Florida and a #19 UGA. It’s a #1 Florida (with Tebow, which makes them like #-7) and an unranked UGA.
October 22nd, 20097:15 pm
But again…I think they CAN win and of course I’ll still watch and root for them. But I’m leary of another absolute EMBARRASSMENT like last year.
October 22nd, 20097:16 pm
Jeffrey D it can be done!
October 22nd, 20097:18 pm
It can. We beat Tebow in ‘07….
October 22nd, 20097:29 pm
With those K rates he’s had, how do you think Schafer is going to be all that much better of a hitter than McLouth? A better fielder? Hopefully. A faster baserunner, yes, but a better baserunner? Not likely.
But, as far as his hitting goes, Schafer has a K rate around 25% in the minors. If you look at the major leaguers who’ve had K rates between 23% and 27% over the past 3 seasons combined, only one has hit over .275. The rest of them have hit .235, .267, .244, .244, .267, .273, .303, .260, .275, .270, .267. If he doesn’t lower that K rate, he’s destined to hit in the .260s. That’s okay so long as he has a BB rate of 12% or higher like McLouth does, and has an ISOP around .200 like McLouth does.
Those guys with the K rates between 23% and 27% have OPS numbers of .747, .855, .829, .817, .777, .828, .835, .841, .837, .737, .756. With those K rates, that’s what his range of performance will likely be. Ranges from slightly below average to pretty darn good, but nowhere near great.
If he continues to have the K rates he had this year in the majors, then he is screwed. The only major leaguers with K rates over 30% the last 3 years combined are Dunn, Howard, Cust, Reynolds, Pena, and Thome. Their batting averages are in the .240s, .250s. They get away with that because they mostly walk at a 16% or higher rate while slugging at a .260+ ISOP clip. Schafer ain’t gonna be a Dunn, Howard, Cust, Reynolds, Pena or Thome kind of slugger, so he can’t keep King like he was this year in the majors.
Saying he’s gonna be better offensively than McLouth likely ain’t true. McLouth has hit .265/.353/.467/.820 with a 12% walk rate, and a .202 ISOP the last 3 seasons combined. With his K rates in the minors, Schafer is likely destined to be a .260 something hitter in the majors just like McLouth, and he’ll likely walk about the same, and have the same ISOP, and have the same AVG/OBP/SLG as McLouth.
Maybe Schafer will walk more though, and be more like a Nick Swisher with a better glove, arm, and speed. Swisher has hit .244/.362/.454/.817 with a 25% K rate, 15% walk rate, and .211 ISOP. Swisher gets to the results a little bit differently than McLouth, but the results are the same nevertheless. Unless he drops the K rates, Schafer will likely never be a superstar, but maybe only a solid star like Swisher, McLouth, Bay, Kemp, Laroche, Willingham, Soriano, etc.
But who knows? Maybe he’ll be the Sizemore clone everyone hopes he’ll be. That would be great. Sizemore has a 22% K rate in the majors, but Sizemore also had a significantly lower K rate in the minors than Schafer has had, 16% for Sizemore as compared to Schafer’s 25%.
October 22nd, 20097:38 pm
But, anyways, here’s the link to the leaderboard of the guys with the highest K rates the last 3 years combined
FWIW, I love the guys with the rates between 21 and 23%: Arod, Braun, Fielder, Sizemore, Manny, Wright, Drew, Blake, Rowand, Granderson, Youk, Adrian Gonzalez. If Schafer gets those K rates down there, he’d maybe find himself in great company. The good news is that is where he had his K rates in his great 2007 season in Rome and Myrtle Beach. I’m hoping for the best for Schafer, but those K rates in both the majors and minors are very troubling.
October 22nd, 20097:41 pm
You’re extrapolating. Can’t do that. Schafer has been young and overmatched at every level he’s played. Scouts don’t seem to think he’ll continue to strike out as frequently, which is what’s important. What will happen is both more important and disjoint from what has happened.
October 22nd, 20097:43 pm
Dave, Wren and company was down in Orlando this past weekend watching the players in instructs, were their any players that stood out to them, that they mentioned by name?
October 22nd, 20097:45 pm
Bay Area Steve (October 19th, 2009 4:49 pm): “Although, I’m not a big KK fan. Perhaps I just want to see him traded so I can finally catch a Random mistake.”
Sorry, sport — all mine are deliberate.
October 22nd, 20097:46 pm
Saying he’s gonna be better offensively than McLouth likely ain’t true. McLouth has hit .265/.353/.467/.820 with a 12% walk rate, and a .202 ISOP the last 3 seasons combined
He did this with an 80% platoon advantage in 2007 and 2 extremely BABIP-lucky months at the start of 2008. Since then? He’s hit .256/.343/.436/.779 (.180 ISO, 10.3% BB rate).
October 22nd, 20097:47 pm
Braveheart,good posts. It is also important that we understand the difference in the quality of the prospects that we build up. Heyward strikes out less than 14% of plate appearances with a .318 career avg. Schafer is a good prospect with possibilities,Heyward is a superstar in the making.
October 22nd, 20098:00 pm
Hey theres a good 6 page Q&A with Chipper in the new chop talk, he’s very candid, like always, about his 09 season and Bobby’s replacement and the future of the team. Very wide ranging interview. I, of course, loved (most of) it.
October 22nd, 20098:01 pm
I wonder if I will be getting my 8th “final issue” of Chop Talk- I’d like to see the Chipper interview
October 22nd, 20098:07 pm
I’ve said several times that i think Schafer will be in the McLouth mold as a hitter(.I’m not even totally sold on him doing quite that well, but it’s a distinct possibility), and a better defensive CFer. Not likely to approach 30 dingers though even best case development.
October 22nd, 20098:14 pm
Thanks for that award info DOB, I hope Hanson can win that award!
Not sure if this bit of info was mentioned earlier, and not sure if you can “read into it” for Cy Young award….but Tim L. “the Freak” won Sporting News NL Pitcher of the Year. Ahead of Carpenter and Wainright.
October 22nd, 20098:15 pm
cabravesfan I wonder if I will be getting my 8th “final issue” of Chop Talk
I had forgotten about that. That is so funny…
6 page interview, eh? Dang…haven’t gotten my October issue yet (well, other than the one about the Fillies winning the LCS). Was just thinking today that it should be coming soon, though.
October 22nd, 20098:16 pm
I haven’t paid for it in almost a year…but they still keep sending it to me (not that I am complaining…)
October 22nd, 20098:26 pm
I loved it when the whole UGA sideline ran onto the field to celebrate after one of the td’s that year. Funny stuff.
Although it came back to bite them last year.
October 22nd, 20098:31 pm
Yay! I wouldn’t mind that at all.
I hope Torre or whoever the manager is after him doesn’t physically assault his coaches though. A la Mr. Cable.
October 22nd, 20098:34 pm
That might be the only thing that keeps them from becoming Raiders: MLB (but you never know…)
October 22nd, 20098:35 pm
Is it just me or is Shane Victorino the biggest piece of crap.
On almost every other team, he’d suck. He makes just enough good plays to warrant being in the lineup. In high school, the guy probably lived for Gym class and would probably celebrate and rub it in if he won at dodge ball because the only player on the opposing team left was an overweight uncoordinated girl.
October 22nd, 20098:36 pm
And Soph? You need to work the word “allegedly” into that comment- there will be no charges against the gentlemanly Mr. Cable (she says, attempting and failing to type that without laughing)
October 22nd, 20098:40 pm
I’ve got 14 so far LOL. Still got 3 minutes left, but I’m pretty clueless. Just typing in random writers at this point.
October 22nd, 20098:41 pm
W&M sucks. RICHMOND rules.
Eric In Albany N.Y.
October 22nd, 20098:43 pm
Enter your comments here
October 22nd, 20098:45 pm
They’ve sent you 8 “final” issues? That twit. I’ve subscribed for years and I noticed I didn’t get one month this summer that LT had referenced something about so I emailed them and my subscription had lapsed between the time that month’s issue went out and a few days later when they got my check. If it weren’t so long I would scan it for the FB group but it is…and I’m lazy about crap like that. One or two pages, sure. 6? Uh no.
October 22nd, 20098:46 pm
McFann – this is the november issue. If you don’t have your Oct by now I’m afraid your subscription may have expired. lol
October 22nd, 20098:49 pm
I saw that cab! No charges filed? Seriously? The Raiders are a joke.
October 22nd, 20099:02 pm
cabravesfan I haven’t paid for it in almost a year…but they still keep sending it to me
That is TOO funny! They just love you, that’s all.
LOL! I meant November, just typed the wrong thing… I’m really sorry, I do that sometimes.
October 22nd, 20099:05 pm
The best part was big Trinton Sturdivant doing a lil shuffle and wagging his finger.
Cubs Potential Offseason Targets: Kelly Johnson | myMLB - Dodgers
October 22nd, 20099:07 pm
[...] Braves GM Frank Wren came out today and said Martin Prado will pretty much go into 2010 as the their starting second basemen which leaves Kelly Johnson as prime trade bait. It doesn’t mean the Braves have to move him, but he’s certainly going to be available for the right price, which can’t be a whole lot for a guy with a .692 OPS last year. He’s also arbitration eligible and coming off a 2.85M payday in 2009,Â so it’s very possible – let’s go ahead and call it likely – that he’ll just end up being non-tendered if he’s not traded before December 12th. [...]
October 22nd, 20099:13 pm
I was just looking at Derek Lowe’s career stats as a starting pitcher. From 2002-2009, Lowe had seasons where he made 32, 33, 33, 35, 35, 33, 34, and 34 starts. Pretty impressive.
In 2004, he had a similar season for the Red Sox that he had for the Braves this year:
Both seasons werent Lowe’s best. Still he contributed by staying healthy and eating a lot of innings as a starting pitcher in both seasons.
After the 2004 season, Lowe rebounded and had 4 straight seasons with the Dodgers where he had ERA’s of 3.61, 3.63, 3.88, and 3.24 before signing with the Braves as a free agent last year.
The point is that Derek Lowe has PROVEN that he can rebound from a statistically poor season. He’s healthy and has the ability to make adjustments. Just look at his career stats.
I see no reason why Lowe cant rebound in 2010 in a similar fashion and give us 3 comparable seasons that he gave the Dodgers. As I stated last night, many of you are underestimating the value of Derek Lowe to a pitching staff. Dumping Derek Lowe and eating part of his contract is simple ignorance.
The same ones b1tching about Derek Lowe this season are quick to give Kelly Johnson the benefit of the doubt and point out that the “real Kelly” is the one who hit well in 2007 and 2008. Which is more impressive: Derek Lowe from 2002-2008? Or Kelly Johnson from 2007-2008? No comparison.
I’d rather put my money on Derek Lowe rebounding in 2010……than on Kelly Johnson. I’ll take the track record of a starting pitcher who stays healthy and has a track record for coming up big in big-time playoff games……….over a streaky hitter like Kelly Johnson.
October 22nd, 20099:25 pm
Joe Poz does it again. his piece on Joe Pa in SI is superb.
(Its reading night at my house, can you tell?)
Lowe rebounds and posts an ERA around 3.85 next year. That’s what the smart money is on.
October 22nd, 20099:27 pm
PWH im not one who thinks mclouth is better than he really is, I just think its premature to say mclouth OPSing in the mid .700s is “really who he is”. He is entering his prime and has a history of some pretty good numbers. Maybe he wont OPS in the .800s ever again, I don’t know. But neither do you, and neither does anyone. i don’t think there is evidence to tell you he wont.
October 22nd, 20099:29 pm
lentz, you could be right about lowe. he is older now than he was when he made that last rebound, though. im not sure if that will matter for him or not.
The same ones b1tching about Derek Lowe this season are quick to give Kelly Johnson the benefit of the doubt and point out that the “real Kelly” is the one who hit well in 2007 and 2008
Oh really Lentz? Do you keep a tally, or just making assumptions like you “love” to do?
I’ve liked the Angels’ catching corps during the playoffs.
They’ve goes nothing on ours, of course, but they’re not bad.
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