2:03 am October 22, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 27th, 20091:55 pm
October 27th, 2009
Thundersticks: Jermaine Dye is awful defensively at this point, and he bats right-handed. Assuming that Heyward will be here by June, if not sooner, where are you going to play Dye? You just want to bench or trade Diaz after the season he had, to replace him with Dye?
What so we dont need a left fielder? Diaz and Heyward would make a good platoon. Dye can play left.
October 27th, 20091:56 pm
Just catching up on the blog after a few days away:
I love Modern Family. It’s very funny and very.
Zombieland was a very good comedy and an okay Zombie movie…depends on how you want to judge it.
Madmen was great this past Sunday. The whole time Don was in the kitchen with Betty confessing his past I was waiting for the teacher to knock on the door and totally bust him. Good stuff.
The whole McGwire/Sosa debate is moot to me because they were both on steroids. So one cheated better than the other. Who cares?
If the Yankees win the World Series, they’d be the eighth different team to win in the past nine seasons. That’s pretty amazing.
Last team to repeat as champions? Yankees in 1998-2000, three in a row. Red Sox are, of course, the only team to win two titles since then, and they didn’t do it in consecutive years.
October 27th, 20091:57 pm
I meant to say that Modern Family was very funny and very smart.
October 27th, 20091:58 pm
I understand all that, but if I’m Cashman I want Kawakami, not Lowe, in that deal.
October 27th, 20092:01 pm
We need power. Swisher hits for power and has for every one of the past six years, both in Oakland AND at the New Launching Pad. He gets on base. Isn’t this what was lacking in our lineup from the outfield this year? So he had a .231 BA the past two years. Francouer’s and KJ’s were somewhere around .220 and without anywhere near the power or OB ability
Maybe Swisher is NOT Holliday or Bay, but he is affordable, attainable and an upgrade in power. THAT is what we need. Sitting there and licking your lips and fondling yourselves while thinking of unattainable and unaffordabe players is a zero sum waste of time. Think realistically and think of the total lineup. We do not need much more with the pitching we have. Go for someone you can actually get and give up on the dreaming. Swisher would give us 15-30 HR potential from EVERY one of the eight starting positions.
October 27th, 20092:02 pm
Lew – I am planning, if economics allow, a trip to Orlando for a spring training game. My 21 (will be 22 by then) year old niece and I love our Braves and want to go to a ST game together. She lives down there (for now anyway). Any idea which day that presentation will be made to Bobby? That would be too cool to be at that game.
McFann – that’s cool. Lew’s a fantastic artist, isn’t he? I can’t wait to get this puppy framed and put up somewhere in my house. Hubby will not like it, but hey, it’s my house too, darn it.
I think a lot of Braves fans on this Blog are being very unrealistic. I hear we need a big bopper but who? There is not much to pick from. People scoff at names like Nady and Swisher but they are solid upgrades over last year.
Holliday and Bay are going to be wildly overpaid because of a poor free agent class. They will not be on the Braves. After those guys who do you like? What slugger do you think is available in a trade? Who of value do the Braves have to trade? The minor league pool took some big hits getting McLouth and Vasquez.
Here is what I would do. Sign the Hudson extension. At 3 years 27 mil he is a steal. Trade the starter you can get the best corner
OF or first baseman (hopefully not Vasquez). Then sign a corner OF or 1B. The names I would go after are Nady, Glaus(if he can play 1B)DeRosa and LaRoche.
A big bopper would be great but not having one did not keep the Braves out of the post season. Have 3-4 automatic outs in the line up for three months did that. If they could add two quality bats to go with what they already have (plus hitters at 4 weak hitting positions up the middle) they will be in good shape.
October 27th, 20092:05 pm
The only thing I will disagree w/ there is playing the “what if” game again…
Dye has proven consistent power and a well beaten sack of potatoes can perform in LF about as well as Garret could so I don’t think that would pose much a problem for JD.
I would much rather have more than less and Diaz can play RF til Heyward is ready because as it looks now with the injuries and everything I don’t feel like Jason will be up until at least after June 1st.
Bravesgrl4life-I will be long gone from Orlando by the time they start playing exhibition ganes. I like interaction with the players and that is likely to happen only after they first report in February when they are still loose and concentrating more on conditioning. I’ll be there from Feb. 14-21 only. The presentation will take place then I would imagine.
October 27th, 20092:07 pm
I think a lot of Braves fans on this Blog are being very unrealistic.
On this blog? Get out of here! You must be thinking of Bowman.
If the Yankees win the World Series… ugh
If the Phillies win the World Series… ugh
There is no World Series, only football.
October 27th, 20092:11 pm
You are right Doodles. It is undeniable that we should continue the tradition of carrying a .230 hitter. Andruw in 2007, Francoeur in 2008, Johnson in 2009, Swisher in 2010. Let’s do this.
October 27th, 20092:12 pm
The brutes are out of our price range, but Swisher is a good and affordable OF choice. And he can also play first base. Very handy if Roachy moves on and very, very handy if Freeman isn’t the be-all and end-all.
You know, I don’t agree with the Yankees’ $200 million “philosophy” but you have to agree that the team’s got some real good guys on it…Jeter, Tex, Rivera just to name a few.
October 27th, 20092:13 pm
And by real good I mean steroid and attitude wise
October 27th, 20092:14 pm
abwright (October 27th, 2009 12:18 pm) –
. . .
richbrave (October 27th, 2009 12:23 pm): “Wasn’t BRUCE DAL CANTON in that slot once?”
His was the first name that popped into my head, too.
richbrave (October 27th, 2009 1:08 pm): “Where have the scribe, gil in mechanicsville and other regulars from the past two years gone?”
~ TheOldBarbershop ~
October 27th, 20092:15 pm
Lowe could have won 20 with the yanks this year
preacher roe stop fixating on batting average and youll see that swisher isa valuable player, and the three comparisons you gave Andruw in 2007, Francoeur in 2008, Johnson in 2009, is absolutely ridiculous.
Wayne in Utah (WWRFD)
October 27th, 20092:24 pm
Whoever we get for the outfield, will play either right or left (ideally right, as Diaz is less of a liability in left). We need someone who can catch the ball (not Jermaine Dye). I have heard conflicting stories on Swisher’s defense. Is he bad or good, or just average.
When/if Heyward is ready, then he obviously replaces whichever player is not playing as well (Diaz or our new OF’er). Unless of course, one of these players can cover CF and Nate is not getting it done.
While I would be happy with LaRoche’s defense and offense at first, it is entirely possible that the Braves might make a play for a first baseman and add a lesser bat for the outfield. Would Konerko be a good fit for the next two years? Dude has been a good middle of the order hitter for his entire career.
And while we aren’t wanting to count on him, it is possible that Schafer could make a resurgence.
The White Sox wouldn’t want Lowe for Konerko. They have a lot of starting pitching (Peavy, Buehrle, Danks, and Floyd).
Would they want a second baseman and a prospect for Konerko? Or maybe a relief pitcher and a prospect?
Would you do Diaz in a deal for Konerko?
October 27th, 20092:26 pm
Would Konerko be a good fit for the next two years?
wayne, konerko is not better than laroche. probably worse, at this point. we would be much better off hanging onto laroche.
October 27th, 20092:27 pm
You guys laud the OBP of Swisher and Dunn and their ilk as if it were water in the desert and pooh-pooh their BA as if it were inconsequential, conveniently forgetting the mission of the thug we are all hoping to see in the middle of the Braves’ order. And it ain’t the passivity of “not make outs”. Three-outcome guys like Swisher and Dunn won’t feed the bulldog on a team such as the Braves.
You guys are willing to settle for a screwdriver when what you need is an impact wrench with tons of torque. You might think the wrench is expensive and out of your reach, but, you’ll re-think that little factoid when your arm starts to fall off.
October 27th, 20092:29 pm
Some time back, I proposed a thought of putting Matt Diaz in the leadoff slot, but didn’t get much response. Take a peek at his numbers, and tell me he would be worse than McLouth batting leadoff.
For scoots, nothing less than a Kluszewski will do.
October 27th, 20092:31 pm
It is entirely possible that we might not get LaRoche back. Konerko and LaRoche’s numbers are comparable, but Konerko has hit in the middle of the order his entire career. I would rather have him batting cleanup than LaRoche.
October 27th, 20092:32 pm
Killebrew is probably more in line, LOL, but, yeah, I’d take Ted. He can probably still swing the stick better than Nick Swisher, LOL.
October 27th, 20092:33 pm
scoots, You guys laud the OBP of Swisher and Dunn and their ilk as if it were water in the desert and pooh-pooh their BA as if it were inconsequential,
actually, we cite OPS. the “thug” we need has to hit for a high average? why? alot of cleanup hitters dont. ryan howard is one of the best in the business. in my opinion, the OBP is even less important than the slg% for the braves, and the BA is the lest important of the three stats.
so your idea is to trade for pujols, fielder, teixeria, or sign matt holliday. thats fine. if you need us, we’ll be over here in the realm of possibility.
October 27th, 20092:35 pm
konerko is in the downside of his career while laroche is in his prime. laroche is much better defensively. its just my opinion, but unless we can bring in a player who is better than laroche(which will be tough to do), we need to hang onto him.
October 27th, 20092:38 pm
if you need us, we’ll be over here in the realm of possibility.
Luckily, that’s a need I do not foresee. That kingdom is boring enough in April, let alone the offseason.
alot of cleanup hitters dont [hit for average]. ryan howard is one of the best in the business
Swisher? Howard? Same thing? Gotcha.
October 27th, 20092:39 pm
Like I said, saying we need to hang onto LaRoche doesn’t necessarily make it happen…..
He’s got to look at a career without a guy like Freeman in the rear view window.
To be honest, if we are going to commit to LaRoche, then we should plan on dealing Freeman for other parts needed.
Pretend you are LaRoche, and we offer you a TWO year deal, all the while thinking once the kid is ready, we will deal you again.
October 27th, 20092:44 pm
scoots Swisher? Howard? Same thing? Gotcha.
not what i said, but im glad you understand. cant wait to hear your trade proposal for pujols.
October 27th, 20092:47 pm
He sure is–definitely someone I look up to, as a young artist. I actually have a copy of his “Sid Slid” drawing on my bulletin board, too. And I also have a deck of animal cards that he did. Really beautiful stuff.
Hubby will not like it…
Aw, why not? But yeah, you’ve got your rights! Just hang it wherever you want…don’t even tell him till the nail’s in the wall!
October 27th, 20092:52 pm
Lew I like interaction with the players…
Hey, if you talk to BMac, tell him that if he ever wants a portrait done of his dogs, you’ve got a friend who would be more than happy to do one for him–all she needs is a photograph!
October 27th, 20093:03 pm
DAP – Rome for Pujols?
October 27th, 20093:07 pm
Diaz in the leadoff spot would be interesting, but then you have to make certain he plays every day as having continuity up there is a must…If the team went with that, they would certainly need to fill the other OF slot and 1b both w/ power bats. I personally would couple Bay w/ whatever 1b we end up with as I really like him and think he would fit perfectly in the Braves clubhouse. That being said, I don’t even know how or what lineup could be constructed that would be beneficial given Diaz at the leadoff spot and Bay batting cleanup.
And please, before you shoot down my Bay idea, remember, this is a hypothetical and has a much better chance of happening if the Braves trade Derek or Kenny.
What about Juan Rivera for Lowe/Kawakami + KJ? Angels need to replace Lackey in their rotation, and are one of the few teams with the financial flexibility to take on Lowe and KJ’s contracts. They also have Gary Matthews to fill Rivera’s slot in the OF, or they could try and convert KJ back to a left fielder. Either way they can afford to risk $4 million on KJ’s upside, and Lowe could help them right away. Braves get a right-handed LF with decent power (22-28 HR with full time play) as well as a lot more financial flexibility to go get a 1b or bullpen arm.
October 27th, 20093:09 pm
Be careful. I mentioned Konerko at the All-Star break and was told I was crazy.
October 27th, 20093:10 pm
If people are shooting down Dye because of his defense, my guess is Rivera would be a no as well…he’s downright slow and awful in LF. OR basically put, he makes Garret look like Willie Mays tracking down a ball in front of him.
October 27th, 20093:15 pm
Didn’t realize Rivera was so bad defensively. Just looking for affordable, available, right-handed outfielders who can hit for power. Not exactly a long list out there….
October 27th, 20093:29 pm
As much as I love Diaz, he sure as hecks looks totally lost at the plate sometimes. Not 100% sure he is a 150+ game per year guy, but I would be willing to give him a try to see if he is.
Also, does he have the footwork needed to play first base if LaRoche doesn’t return. As much as I would love to see the masher in left field (Bay?), I am not holding my breath on that one. I think we might have to settle for someone like Swisher or Rivera.
There are so many ways Frank can go this off season, it is hard to really speculate.
October 27th, 20093:32 pm
I can also see the scenario where a pitcher is NOT dealt for outfield help, but held until the spring to make sure we don’t need him, or to try to get some excellent prospects for him in mid spring.
October 27th, 20093:34 pm
My guess is Braves sign either Rick Ankiel or Xaiver Nady for something around 2-3 years @ $5-8 million per year. Just a hunch.
cant wait to hear your trade proposal for pujols.
Oh, come on, DAP, when was the last time you saw me utter a trade proposal, LOL? I think even less of trade speculation than I do of lineup posts.
I don’t have the teeniest-tinyest, itsy-bitsy clue as to how Wren will approach the offseason, or what names might be involved. Heck, maybe he loves Swisher, for all I know, top of the list, main priority, whatever. Just because the thought of a particular guy as a 2010 main acquisition makes me hurl, doesn’t make it impossible. Just as my hope that Wren at least makes an attempt to acquire a true impact bat doesn’t make that an impossibility, either.
October 27th, 20093:37 pm
I hope not. Those two names made me regurgitate in my mouth a little.
Why do we have to settle though? After what he’s done the last couple years so far, I see no reason to believe that Frank won’t go out and get what this team needs to compete and feel that he can and will try to make it the best team possible.
The real question is, will Bobby be able to manage them to wins and not pull anything like the Hanson in Houston fiasco?
October 27th, 20093:43 pm
To be honest, if we don’t get the strong right handed bat this winter, we could be in trouble for a while on that front. Though I hope last year was an aberration (sp) for Chipper, it is quite possible it was a sign of things to come. We really can’t expect Heyward to come on the scene and totally dominate within a year, though it could happen. We just shouldn’t expect it for sure.
These points would be a good reason to go after a Holliday or Bay type hitter, or to pull out the stops to try to trade for a Braun type hitter. (wow, what a haul it would take to get a player like that!)
What is the story on Matt Gamel of the Brew Crew? I hear he is not very good defensively. What position would be his best spot? I think he is a lefty too…..
On second thought, I am glad I am NOT Frank Wren! (he ain’t nearly as handsome as I am either!)
October 27th, 20093:45 pm
Bobby is ALWAYS going to pull a few of those every year. Why should he change at this point in the game. I chuckle inside when I see all the ranting about Bobby this and Bobby that. Dude hasn’t changed in 30 years.
There has been a lot of speculation on the arrival of Heyward in 2010. What do the gurus on this blog think his numbers will be/
October 27th, 20093:46 pm
scoots,probably not a good time to ask you about Miguel Cabrera? Thoughts ?
Crazy Trades McKnee
October 27th, 20093:47 pm
Clint Sammons for Albert Pujols.
October 27th, 20093:50 pm
…which is why I love this guy, LOL.
CB, I got your “Thoughts?” right here, my brother.
P. W. Hjort
October 27th, 20093:52 pm
Heyward ain’t playing in the AFL again this year.
I need to go outside so I can cuss more!
Jeez! Not Clint Sammons! Are you guys trying to throw away our future?????
October 27th, 20093:53 pm
No more Heyward in AFL-they shut him down.
October 27th, 20093:54 pm
Gotta tell you my story about “cussin” sometime…..
October 27th, 20093:55 pm
I could never understand why they wanted Heyward to play football this fall anyway!
October 27th, 20093:56 pm
Got some big honkin’ snow flakes coming down in the SLC area today. Lew, how’s that global warming treating you these days?
October 27th, 20094:00 pm
scoots, my idea isn’t any worse than Random’s bringing in Manny Ramirez. right Mr. OCD?
October 27th, 20094:01 pm
ncscoots (October 27th, 2009 2:27 pm): “You guys laud the OBP of Swisher and Dunn and their ilk as if it were water in the desert and pooh-pooh”
P-Town Brave (October 27th, 2009 3:37 pm): “Those two made me regurgitate in my mouth a little.”
Haha, Wayne, I’d love to hear it. The cussing thing was a reference to this video.
Didn’t Heyward have some sort of injury at the close of last season (2008), too?
October 27th, 20094:02 pm
CB, nothing wrong with Miggy. At least, nothing a couple fewer biscuits wouldn’t cure. Love to see the guy in a Braves uni.
I really shouldn’t be complaining about Swisher, I guess; cuts down on the Mike Cameron touts, LOL.
October 27th, 20094:04 pm
CB Does Manny have a no trade clause?
October 27th, 20094:09 pm
Wayne in Utah (October 27th, 2009 3:54 pm): “Gotta tell you my story about “cussin” sometime…..”
Your “kissin cussin”? I’m all ears.
October 27th, 20094:10 pm
Actually, you can find them at Braves and Stuff
What do we want Dye for?
That could end like having GA all over again………..we need an OF that can still run for the ball.
October 27th, 20094:13 pm
I’ll try that again:
October 27th, 20094:14 pm
Heyward – Starts year in AAA, hits .300 there with 20 hr, 80 rbi pace. Called up June 10th or so (whenever Hanson came up this year). Bats #8 for us, hitting .275, with a 15 hr, 80 rbi pace.
Then the big question is does his power explode the next year like scouts think it should.
October 27th, 20094:19 pm
CB (October 27th, 2009 4:00 pm): “scoots, my idea isn’t any worse than Random’s bringing in Manny Ramirez. right Mr. OCD?”
Oh, yeah — much worse.
And hey, what’s with this “OCD” shizz?
I can understand it coming from TnBrian — as soon as that clay-eating hillbilly heard that I bathed more than once a week, he couldn’t let it go. Just couldn’t wrap his head around it.
But where you comin’ from with it?
October 27th, 20094:21 pm
19 years ago, when my son Adam was 3, we were visiting my folks. Adam liked to confess his sins to him mommy, for the attention it got him. Also, my wife always taught the boys that “butt” and “shut-up” and “stupid” were all bad words.
All 4 adults were visiting in the living room. Adam comes in and walks over to his mommy and says, “Mommy, I said a bad word.” Everybody in the room tries to hide a smile, then my wife said, “What did you say?”, thinking he was going to say “butt” or “shut-up” or something similar.
He looks up at her and says, “I said damn.” All of us were a little bit surprised, and then his mommy proceeded to tell him she was glad that he told her, but that she hoped he wouldn’t say any more bad words in the future. She told him “that is not a good word to say”.
This is when he looks at her and says, “Only daddy, huh.” If looks could kill, my mom would have sent me to an early grave that evening.
When I hear someone say something about cussing, that is one of the first memories that comes to mind.
October 27th, 20094:22 pm
Wayne, I would take Cabrera and his no trade in a heartbeat. I am sick of reading about looking for players like Rivera who only take us sideways.
October 27th, 20094:24 pm
The date is fine, but I really don’t see him batting 8th…that would be a bad call for him to get good pitches (see Schafer)
If it weren’t for how great Prado is in the 2-hole I’d bat him there in front of Chipper.
Besides that, I think its all going to depend on how the roster shapes up by 6/1…but I would make sure to put him right in front of someone tough like a Chipper or Mac or Yunel so they’ll make certain he gets plenty of pitches to hit and more fastballs. (ie Rasmus and Ryan in St. Louis)
I hate that Heyward won’t get to play in the AFL anymore, but best to play it safe. This also allows the Braves a chance to give Heyward time in AAA without people questioning that he should be called up right away, essentially saving the team millions of dollars down the road (assuming they call him up late enough to not be a Super-2 player). They probably get a little better production from him when called up too, since time spent at AAA will only help him develop as a player.
October 27th, 20094:25 pm
October 27th, 20094:27 pm
Wayne in Utah,
That story reminds me of when my younger brother (age 3 at the time) told my grandmother about going to play golf with our father. She asked if he could teach her how and he responded, “You put the ball on the tee, and then you swing really hard, and then the ball goes in the water, and then you yell ‘Dammit’.”
Doesn’t Cabrera have something like a 30 year contract, for 25 million per year? (I might have overstated it a tad bit)
Has he ticked off the Tigers enough to deal him away? It would take a king’s ransom to get a guy like Cabrera (or Braun).
October 27th, 20094:28 pm
Yes, Heyward’s done for AFL. Shouldn’t affect him beyond another month or so, however.
October 27th, 20094:29 pm
That’s a good one…
I agree, DAP….save the money for a couple of key players next year….Wait for a new coach who can relate to youth….consistency in the line is essential..injury-prone players can hamper the progress of the team…….
October 27th, 20094:31 pm
I’m not a Swisher fan, but I guess we could do worse.If they could trade Lowe for him it might be a good deal.
October 27th, 20094:33 pm
Thanks for the tips on expatriates RANDOM, and NOT RANDOM. Editorializing is too time consuming for me. I’ll leave that to DAVE. I invited them over for a spell however.
“wait for a new coach who can relate to youth…”
So, you are one of THEM, huh.
I guess I can just skip over your posts from this point forward…..
Heh, that’s funny.
October 27th, 20094:34 pm
“You put the ball on the tee, and then you swing really hard, and then the ball goes in the water, and then you yell ‘Dammit’.”
Correct. It’s only called “golf” because all the other four-letter words were taken.
Just so you know, US Open, both men’s and women’s, will play at Pinehurst #2 in 2014, a week apart. There won’t be a better golf vacation on the planet that year, so book it now if you plan to go.
You can park at my brother’s house; just tell him I said it was OK, LOL.
Roll in the aisle funny dude. LOL!!!!
October 27th, 20094:35 pm
Too bad we didn’t capitalize on the chance to pick up Swisher last spring.
October 27th, 20094:37 pm
Freeman is 1-2, Hicks is 0-1.
October 27th, 20094:38 pm
Wayne in Utah (October 27th, 2009 4:04 pm): “CB Does Manny have a no trade clause?”
I think that IF he declines to exercise the option for the second year of his contract with LA (worth $20M), he’d be a free agent.
Braves might could lure him with a 2-year/$35M offer.
October 27th, 20094:40 pm
Or mute…blog lore rules, no going back.
Would be kinda like playing chicken with the devil, huh. Might be exciting for a while, but in the end, your going to get screwed for sure.
October 27th, 20094:41 pm
It’s a crime shame that Random can’t remember the blog rules!
October 27th, 20094:43 pm
Wayne, 6yrs-120mil. A tad less than you said,but I would agree it can’t be done unless Lowe is included and give up some prospects. Hey,live in the minute I always say.
Wayne, I’d call him a looser and a woose, just to use the words, but he doesn’t qualify, LOL.
October 27th, 20094:47 pm
SWISHER continues to be a viable option IMO. Certainly more than my out of the box unrealistic wishes for PRINCE FIELDER or MATT HOLLIDAY/JASON BAY. However, I do think we NEED a player of that caliber because CHIP’s swoon this year to mortal levels sends chills down my spine where the offense is concerned.
October 27th, 20094:48 pm
Did the same fellow that said shaddy also say crime shame? Blog rules should be special for him.
October 27th, 20094:52 pm
I kinda like “shaddy”…dual purpose, shoddy or shady, depending on context. Hey, I’m a man of simple pleasures.
October 27th, 20094:53 pm
all I am saying is someone like Furcal when he was here. (Thundesticks)
ah, with his 2 years of 320ish OBP. Nate’s is as high as Rafy averaged he just doesn’t get to run as much though his success rate is better. He’s the best we have available at this point.
October 27th, 20094:54 pm
Damn! Astros signed Brad Mills to manage. He would have been on my short list to replace #6.
Lew – Put me down as a yes for Swisher.
October 27th, 20094:57 pm
Yes, they have a great offense, but for how long?
Lew, didn’t you spend all last winter telling us that the Phillies weren’t all that great too?
October 27th, 20094:58 pm
i really think the braves might go after matt holliday/jason bay if they can trade lowe. it fits into the braves payroll if they decide not to resgin laroche for about $8 or $9 million
October 27th, 20094:59 pm
Seems to me, LaRoche is a no-brainer just like Hudson if you can sign them for reasonable, home-town prices. As far as left field goes, I think a Swisher type guy is a fall back IF you can’t reel in a true cleanup slugger. Swisher’s not a guy I would be trying to get in November. I wouldn’t be unhappy with him… Just don’t want to see him picked up early and then FW saying problem solved.
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