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Moby Grape
October 25th, 2009
9:02 pm
Good gracious, WWII was ended with less argument over terms
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
9:06 pm
Whoo-hoo! Another double for Mathis!
He just keeps ‘em coming!
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
9:08 pm
Andrew…………It’s a shame that you’re willing to settle for knocking the Cowboys out of the play-offs as the hightlight of your football fan life.
Oh, by the way, at least our quarterback knows that regular season games end in ties if no one scores after 15 minutes of overtime.
Also, at least our quarterback doesnt have a Mom who hated the fact that the Eagles made the playoffs 2 years ago with Jeff Garcia as QB……..unlike McNabby’s mom, who said that because McNappy was hurt, she didnt feel happy for their success.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
9:11 pm
seriously who cares about wilma mcnabb…kevin kolb is better than romo…lets fumble a snap in the playoffs on an extra point and lose the game cool…lets try to win a playoff game
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
9:14 pm
Whoo-hoo! Angels take the lead!
Moby Grape
October 25th, 2009
9:15 pm
nolie tells me not to carp! I must be a little shellfish lately. (abwright)
better button it up shrimp, just perch there on your chair and don’t be so crab-by.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
9:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuQ5aw0HAQ
in case anyone wants to see romo in action
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
Andrew…………..win 1 Super Bowl and then get back with me.
Oh, your stadium pales in comparison to ours.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
9:29 pm
Why does someone in San Francisco watch Atlanta Braves baseball and Dallas Cowboys football?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
9:35 pm
jeffrey d…………..I explain this awhile back. I grew up in Arkansas in the 80’s. Arkansas does not have any major professional teams.
Back then, the only baseball (other than the NBC Game of the Week) that one could watch on t.v. where I lived was the Braves on TBS.
On Sunday’s, the CBS affiliate (who had the NFC TV package back then) where I lived showed Dallas games when the Cowboys played. Also, the state newspaper covered the Cowboys.
Understand now?
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
9:39 pm
I grew up in Arkansas in the 80’s. Arkansas does not have any major professional teams.
Oooh I actually remember now. Because I was upset that I also spent the first few years of my life in 80’s Arkansas.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
jeffrey d………it’s like living in another country, lol. I wish I could have grown up in California (Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco……..doesnt matter). Way more to do out here than in Arkansas.
Meanwhile, nice touchdown drive by Arizona there. Hoping that Arizona can keep this close late in the game.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
jeffrey, you didn’t adopt the Cowboys?
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
9:48 pm
it’s like living in another country, lol
To be honest I don’t remember anything because we moved when I was still pretty young. All I remember is that Bill Clinton was governor when I was born.
Soph – haha, nope…I wasn’t that into sports when we first moved to Atlanta, so the Braves and Falcons grew on me. Now the Hawks are too.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
9:48 pm
What a lucky SUCK A$$ play there. Unreal.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
9:49 pm
atleast we all have one thing in common here…Atlanta Braves 2010 champs
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
9:52 pm
Except for Anders and The Pee Guy
Soph
October 25th, 2009
9:52 pm
I don’t remember anything about Dallas either.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
9:53 pm
Well, Andrew if it makes you feel better – I hate the Cowboys too. So that’s something else we have in common.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
9:53 pm
Andrew…………I’ll have to reserve judgment and see how Frank Wren rebuilds the offense and fills out the bullpen and bench.
However, our starting pitching should be stacked, barring injuries.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
That looked like a strike. Wow.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
9:54 pm
wow that was a strike…looks like baseball wants the yankees in the series
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
9:55 pm
You from Dallas?
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
9:56 pm
Was a strike for sure.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
9:58 pm
ha arod looked like he said it was a strike
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
9:58 pm
Paul – Just curious where in Arkansas you’re from? I was born in Little Rock and still have some family in West Memphis
Soph
October 25th, 2009
10:00 pm
I was born in Dallas but I moved to Atlanta when I was 4. Then we moved to Lilburn a few years later.
I remember absolutely nothing about Dallas though.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
So from Dallas to Meadowcreek.
Random
October 25th, 2009
10:06 pm
Paul Lentz (October 25th, 2009 8:47 pm): “Well, when I agreed to “your terms”, I didnt know that “your terms” consisted of the option of Kelly Johnson being released and then re-signed for less than $3 mil as being part of the bet. That is not how I interpreted it.”
They didn’t specifically. The terms were very simple — if Johnson’s on the Braves ML roster at the beginning of 2010, I lose if he’s making $3M or more, you lose if he’s making less than $3M, and the bet’s off if he’s not on the roster.
There is nothing to “interpret” there.
“So now that I understand “your terms”, as I stated in my previous posting, the bet is off.”
What was so difficult to understand about those terms? You have no credible argument that you were unable to understand those simple terms.
And the bet is not off — you’re simply welching on it.
“I agreed to “your terms” under the assumption that any contract signed by Kelly would be while under the control of the Braves and Kelly being eligible for salary arbitration. That scenario is why I said that there is NO WAY that Kelly signs for less than $3 mil with the Braves.”
I am not responsible for your assumptions — you agreed to very simple terms and are now trying to weasel out of them. Why? Because you thought you had all angles figured when you agreed, and now realize that you didn’t. “Regrets” are not sufficient grounds for welching on a bet.
“If Kelly is non-tendered, then of course not only will Kelly not be under the control of the Braves, but he also will not be eligible for salary arbitration this winter. Knowing that, why would I knowingly agree to a bet like that under “your terms” which did not address the non-tender issue?”
Your own original bet did not address the “non-tender issue” — it was simply that if the Braves re-signed Johnson it would be for $3M or more. The compromise terms which I proposed and you accepted were faithful to your original bet. You have changed your own terms several times since then.
“So if I’m guilty of anything, I’m guilty of not looking at this bet from “all angles”. I guess that I exercised bad judgment in trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I felt that what I was willing to bet on was “clear”. I guess not.”
I required no “benefit of the doubt”, since there was no room for doubt in the compromise terms which I proposed and you accepted. And what you bet on was clear — very clear. You accepted those simple terms.
If you’re guilty of anything, you’re guilty of thinking that you can retroactively amend the terms of a bet, or that you can simply call it off when you have second thoughts and deep regrets. And you’re also guilty of Olympian stupidity if you think that even now you’ve thought of all the angles. You haven’t.
“Your terms are simply unacceptable. The bet is off.”
You already agreed to those terms at 10:49 last night. The only way the bet is off is if you welch on it.
Pepperidge Blogs Remembers:
R (October 24th, 2009 8:03 pm): “I’m willing to compromise — if Johnson begins the season on the Braves ML roster with a contract of $3.0M or more (not counting incentives), I [Random] lose.
“If Johnson begins the season on the Braves ML roster with a contract of less than $3.0M (not counting incentives), you [Paul Lentz} lose.
“If Johnson does not begin the season on the Braves ML roster, the bet’s off.
“Deal or No Deal?”
PL (October 24th, 2009 10:49 pm): “I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms”
Soph
October 25th, 2009
10:06 pm
Yup, stupid Dallas to Ghettocreek.
What a life, huh?
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
10:09 pm
So then Mathis K’s…
Them’s the breaks.
Chopdawg
October 25th, 2009
10:09 pm
New Angels fans-in-the-stands club…like McCann’s Cans or Francoeur’s Franks…
Aybar’s Eyeballs
You’d have one fan dressed up as a blue eyeball, next to him a brown eyeball, then a green eyeball etc
Soph
October 25th, 2009
10:10 pm
McFann – what are you going to do if it’s a Phillies/Yankees WS? Who ya got?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
10:11 pm
Well, ESPN fired Steve Phillips. Saw that coming.
Richie
October 25th, 2009
10:19 pm
Why does all of the baseball media feel that if Adrian Gonzalez is traded, he is going to Boston? I know we have more attractive pieces and are in need of a 1st baseman as well. I get tired of every media outlet figuring BOSTON is the place to play baseball. And it isn’t….really!
N8
October 25th, 2009
10:22 pm
Anybody see this yet? Apparently Big Mac is going to be the Cards hitting coach next year. Let the madness beging…
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10272630/Source:-La-Russa-to-return,-McGwire-to-join-Cards-staff
Steve from OH
October 25th, 2009
10:23 pm
How is that being “shaddy” on my part?
It’s not. In fact, it’s impossible to be “shaddy” because “shaddy” is not a real word, you mental midget.
Steve from OH
October 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
Glad to see Manny Acta get a chance with a team that has something of a future, btw. Good for him.
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
10:25 pm
Soph what are you going to do if it’s a Phillies/Yankees WS?
Hibernate.
That’ll be a living heck for me…a living heck…I REALLY don’t want another year of, “Defending world champion Philadelphia Fillies”…but i cannot STAND the Yankees.
N8
October 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
If Boston is willing to trade for Gonzales, I wonder what it would take to pry Youkilis away from them? That guy epitomizes what I love in a baseball player. He’d be PERFECT to stop gap at 1B and take over for Chipper at 3B.
Of course that’s what he’ll likely play for the Sox next year is 3B.
I’d consider giving up JJJ for him. Call me crazy. But I’d consider it.
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
Neight–
Crazy.
Joe
October 25th, 2009
10:37 pm
I’m glad ESPN fired Steve Phillips I mean it was only right cause they fired Harold Reynolds awhile back for a similar case.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
10:37 pm
Random…………You know, the thing is that despite you trying to be shaddy and sneaky, I’m tempted to still take you up on the bet. Reason being, if the Braves non-tender him, Kelly will probably sign with another team who will be interested in giving him a chance to compete for a starting second base job in Spring Training….thus rendering your attempt to cover your bases meaningless.
However, I’m not going to give in to temptation because I dont like how you went about this. If you had stated your intentions from the get go, you could have very well gotten me to agree to your “fine print” non-tendering terms.
So call it what you want, the bet is off. I dont do business with someone who shows that they are unworthy. You are indeed a “shyster”. I’m just glad I caught it in time, as far as I’m concerned.
Joe
October 25th, 2009
10:38 pm
Bobby Cox blew the 1996 world series we suppose to have won back 2 back titles in 95 & 96.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
10:42 pm
We suppose to have back 2 back titles? You right.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
10:46 pm
Andrew…….in 2 weeks, your SUCK A$$ Eagles host my Cowboys on Sunday night football. Should be interesting.
Hopefully we will whip up on the SORRY A$$ Seahawks next week and come out of the game healthy. I’m looking forward to seeing our defense beating up on the Campbell Soup man (McNappy).
Moby Grape
October 25th, 2009
10:47 pm
just kidding arouind with that last post abw. I see I forgot the smiley
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
10:47 pm
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Touchdown Arizona. 24-14 Cardinals with 2:32 left in the 3rd quarter.
Could be a very good day for the Cowboys. Got to root for the Redskins tomorrow.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
10:48 pm
in 2 weeks, your SUCK A$$ Eagles host my Cowboys on Sunday night football.
Don’t the Eagles & Cowboys have the same record?
And, McNappy? Seriously? That’s so wrong.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
10:50 pm
i’ll be at that game paul
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
10:51 pm
Paul’s just mad that little tony romeo isnt as nice as donovan
Mitchell
October 25th, 2009
10:56 pm
Another lucky f***ing break for the Yankees.
Wait till they play the Phillies. If they only knew.
Mitchell
October 25th, 2009
11:01 pm
ESPN should have fired Steve Phillies for being an unprofessional douche homer… douche.
They guy should never talk about Chipper Jones naming his kid Shea. That’s so unbelievably inappropriate and uncalled for. Not just to mention it but to talk about his child. And it wasn’t just once, it was every damn time he had the chance.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:04 pm
They guy should never talk about Chipper Jones naming his kid Shea. That’s so unbelievably inappropriate and uncalled for
I know! It’s almost as if Chipper naming his son Shea has nothing to do with baseball!
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:05 pm
And, McNappy? Seriously? That’s so wrong.
You ain’t foolin
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:12 pm
I wonder if VJ is watching his Giants. Looks like they’re coming back.
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
11:12 pm
Random,
Pepperidge Blogs Remembers
THAT is funny. Well done.
N8
October 25th, 2009
11:15 pm
Does anybody else find it wierd that ESPN had a story online about ESPN firing Steve Phillips? Couldn’t they have just put up a headline that stated:
We just canned Steve Phillips
Anybody who cares knows why. I’m surprised it was the main headline on their home page. I mean… anything ESPN is news, right?
Anyhow, what’s funny is, is that Phillips and Kruk were about the only guys that regularily give the Braves props. So now all the ESPN haters are really going to gripe about the lack of Braves homerism by ESPN.
Maybe Bobby will go work for them when he’s done?
Steve from OH
October 25th, 2009
11:18 pm
You are indeed a “shyster”. I’m just glad I caught it in time, as far as I’m concerned.
Oh yeah, you really caught it in time…
Was it before or after this?
I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms.
Because that’s really the only thing that matters at this point, after all.
Or are you being “shaddy?”
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:20 pm
haha, Jeter waving Vlad back…
Mitchell
October 25th, 2009
11:20 pm
I can’t believe all the lucky BS the Yankees get away with.
They should be good enough to win on their own merit but no, they get every little bounce and break and call you can imagine.
Random
October 25th, 2009
11:22 pm
Paul Lentz (October 25th, 2009 10:37 pm): “You know, the thing is that despite you trying to be shaddy and sneaky, I’m tempted to still take you up on the bet. Reason being, if the Braves non-tender him, Kelly will probably sign with another team who will be interested in giving him a chance to compete for a starting second base job in Spring Training….thus rendering your attempt to cover your bases meaningless.”
Well, then, why all your crying and trying to weasel out of it??? And I haven’t been trying “to cover my bases” nor have I been sneaky at all — I’ve stuck to the same terms I offered and you accepted last night. YOU’RE the only one who is retroactively trying to cover your own lame ass.
And “you’re tempted to still take me up on the bet”?!?!? Son, you already did. At 10:49 last night. You could look it up.
“However, I’m not going to give in to temptation because I dont like how you went about this. If you had stated your intentions from the get go, you could have very well gotten me to agree to your “fine print” non-tendering terms.”
I plainly stated my intentions at 8:03 pm AND at 10:01 pm last night, and you accepted my proposed compromise terms at 10:49. Not my fault that you’re having second thoughts because you realize now that you failed to cover all your bases. And there was no ““fine print” non-tendering terms” — you saw all three of the very simple terms, and accepted them at 10:49 last night.
“So call it what you want, the bet is off.”
The bet is off only if you welch on it.
“I dont do business with someone who shows that they are unworthy. You are indeed a “shyster”. I’m just glad I caught it in time, as far as I’m concerned.”
“Business” is one thing you haven’t been doing with anyone here the past 24 hours. And it is something I suspect you never have done, if this is how you react to tripping over your own stupidity. There’s no crying in “business”, son.
You are a liar, a welcher and a cheat. And I will feel free to periodically remind you of those unpleasant, unfortunate facts.
Liar.
(Like that.)
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
Soph-
VJ went to bed…he was up way too late last night
(plus, I think he was not happy watching the Giants)
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
ahh! Enough with the bet!
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
although I suspect he will be less happy if he misses a comeback…he is taping it though
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:24 pm
or not…
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:24 pm
Taping it on a VCR?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:24 pm
cab – well, glad he didn’t see Bradshaw fumble right there. That sucked.
TnBrian
October 25th, 2009
11:26 pm
MLB season is too damn long. It’s always been, but it really hits you when Halloween is almost here & the fu**** W.S. hasn’t even started.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:27 pm
jeffrey d-
yup
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:29 pm
it really hits you when Halloween is almost here & the fu**** W.S. hasn’t even started.
It’s torcher, isn’t it?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:30 pm
cab – your job is to introduce VJ to a DVR or Tivo when he comes to visit you. Does he at least have a DVD player?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:30 pm
lol who started torcher?
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
Oh, in case anybody was curious:
the Sunday LA Times Crossword Puzzle Clue: Loaf
Answer: DOGGINGIT
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
Soph-
Believe me, I have been sharing the wonders of Tivo with him
And yes, he has a DVD player 
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:33 pm
ahhh! No errors, Angels…I need this thing to hurry up and wrap up so I can go bed.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:34 pm
I believe TnBrian started torcher
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:34 pm
I need this thing to hurry up and wrap up so I can go bed.
Wimp. It’s only 11:30.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
Stephanie from Ohio…………..I understood “his terms” to be if Kelly Johnson signed a contract with the Braves (while under their control) for under $3 mil….that he would be the winner.
Again, the whole point of the bet was to illustrate how hard it is for a team to cut a salary arbitration eligible player’s salary, no matter how much of a SUCK A$$ year he had.
Why would I make a bet and include Kelly being released and re-signing with the Braves for under $3 mil as part of me losing the bet? I never said that the Braves couldnt re-sign Kelly for less after he was non-tendered.
Now show me where I said that the Braves couldnt re-sign him for less than $3 mil after non-tendering him…….and I’ll reinstate the bet.
The only thing that Random was emphasizing when it came to “his terms” was Kelly being on the Opening Day roster……as opposed to my original point of Kelly signing a contract and reporting to Spring Training making $3 mil. He said that he feels that the Braves could re-sign Kelly for over $3 mil and trade him before Opening Day…..which would mean that the Braves signed him to trade him, not because they wanted him.
I said fair enough, I’ll agree to those terms. However, I never agreed to the condition of Kelly being released and the re-signed. He NEVER stated that scenario as a point of contention. I just assumed he knew not to go there because he knew that I wasnt talking about the Braves not being able to re-sign Kelly for less than $3 mil if they non-tendered him and then tried to offer him less.
Random tried to be shaddy and get around my point all along: That there is NO WAY that the Braves can sign Kelly Johnson for less than $3 mil while he is under their control. If Kelly is non-tendered, then he obviously isnt under their control and therefore not eligible for salary arbitration this year.
I know what my intent was with the bet. You just dont like me and therefore are taking his side.
I bet that if the sides were reversed, that you would accuse me of twisting the bet and not playing fair to Random. You have never agreed with me on anything.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
WHAT did I just say, Angels?!?
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
11:35 pm
haha great throw kazmir
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
11:36 pm
kelly johnson is getting more play on this blog then steve phillips
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
This is the longest bet negotiations in the history of bets. You ever said to a friend “Bet you $10 Norton strikes out here”
“You’re on!” shake
That’s how a bet’s supposed to go.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
Wimp. It’s only 11:30.
Soph-
I’m contemplating bed and it’s only 8:30 here
TnBrian
October 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
Who is that goofy ass Yankee coach, I’d guess, that always acts like 6 year old kid with too much sugar? I want to puch that fu** right in the nose.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
8:30?! That’s dinner time for me!
Random
October 25th, 2009
11:38 pm
P. W. Hjort (October 25th, 2009 11:12 pm): “THAT is funny. Well done.”
Thanks. A little blast-from-the-past, a former alter ego of mine here.
. . .
jeffrey d (October 25th, 2009 11:23 pm): “ahh! Enough with the bet!”
I second that emotion.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:38 pm
Haha, I wouldn’t have seen that if CAB didn’t repeat it. I’ll wake up at 7, so that’s already less than 8 hours. Plus after the game I still have to shower and walk the dog.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:39 pm
I think it’s safe to say I won’t be starting Eli anymore.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:39 pm
I didn’t know Kazmir played for the Angels now
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
arizona cardinals look pretty good
TnBrian
October 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
Stankees are fixing to buy themselves a trip to the W.S.
nolie
October 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
he Sunday LA Times Crossword Puzzle Clue: Loaf
Answer: DOGGINGIT
the correct answer should be DOG IT… or the question should have been LOAFING.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
Soph-
Sadly, Eli is still better then my other option…
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
I think it’s safe to say I won’t be starting Eli anymore.
But you know as soon as you do that he’ll throw for 11 touchdowns and run for 3. And after he scores that last rushing TD, he’ll do a backflip through the goalposts.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Sadly, Eli is still better then my other option…
Hey, now! I know you’re not talking about my boy Ryan, right?
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Well, this does mean that I will win our weekly pool…barely
Good night all!
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
11:42 pm
You are correct, nolie. I just didn’t have the crossword with me at the moment. I can tell you are a crossword veteran with remarks like that.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
11:42 pm
jeffrey –
I wouldn’t be surprised. I benched Carson Palmer today and he threw 5 td’s. Blah.
Steve from OH
October 25th, 2009
11:42 pm
However, I never agreed to the condition of Kelly being released and the re-signed. He NEVER stated that scenario as a point of contention. I just assumed he knew not to go there because he knew that I wasnt talking about the Braves not being able to re-sign Kelly for less than $3 mil if they non-tendered him and then tried to offer him less.
That is your fault, not his. That scenario was stated, just not explicitly. Just because you are too feeble mentally to extrapolate that is not his fault. You agreed to his terms, period. Do you deny that? Face facts, you agreed to the terms, which were very clearly stated, and now you’re backing out. Plain and simple.
Why are you still saying “shaddy?” No, seriously, I really want to know.