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brent a.
October 25th, 2009
6:22 pm
I think it’s funny that Lew is so adamant about McLouth sucking; yet, he was an ardent defender of Kenshin Kawakami.
Me, I like ‘em both.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
6:22 pm
I’m here too. Trying not to let out expletives when our defense is on the field.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
6:23 pm
brent a-Won’t take too much of a performance to beat those Turner Field numbers of .208, .319, .346 with 4 HR and 13 RBI. That’s for damn sure.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
6:24 pm
Soph-
It’s OK. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t giggle a bit thinking of you as I watched my boy Carson throw his 5th TD of the day
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
6:24 pm
I’m not going anywhere. I just don’t want to flood DOB’s blog with a buncha FB talk.
Because the conversation is thriving otherwise.
brent a.
October 25th, 2009
6:28 pm
Lew, I can’t argue at all with your 6:23
Lew
October 25th, 2009
6:29 pm
brent a-I’m going by what Nate put up as a Brave this year. I was thrilled when they acquired him and expected to see much more from him than I did, based on those Pittsburgh numbers KC loves quoting. However, that’s not what we got from Nate though, is it?
If he comes around and puts up those (at least for now) fictitious numbers we’ve heard about today, no one will be happier than I will-just like I was when I claimed Prado wasn’t an everyday player and then he proved he was. However, given what McLouth did for the Braves this season, I believe I’m entitled to a healthy dose of skepticism in the meantime. I’m not from Missouri, but he needs to prove it to me before I buy his jersey (if I could even find one that fit).
As for Kawakami, I saw radical improvement from KK from April compared to the rest of the season. From Nate? Not so much. In fact, not at all.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
6:30 pm
Ugh, you’re kidding? He threw another td? I swear I’m going to bang my head against the wall today.
KC
October 25th, 2009
6:31 pm
Lew, I don’t know that McLouth is the leadoff hitter we’ve been waiting for. It’s probably not the perfect place for him in the lineup… but, he brings certain things to the table in the leadoff role that we’re not going to get from anyone else currently in a Braves uni.
All I’m saying is that if he performs as well as he did in ‘08… 26 HR’s, 46 2B’s at PNC probably translates to 22 HR, 49 2B here. He HAS shown the ability to be a VERY valuable hitter. I don’t claim to know the future, but I just find it more likely than not that he’ll fare better next year than he did in ‘09. I don’t think his 2008 season was a fluke.
We’ll know in about 6 months (DAMN it’s a long off-season!).
Lew
October 25th, 2009
6:33 pm
KC-All I can say is from your mouth to (name your Deity’s) ear. I’ll wait and see.
Steve from OH
October 25th, 2009
6:34 pm
Ha! He said “shaddy” again! Seriously dude, are you the dumbest human alive? Didn’t Random’s 4:44 give you a tiny hint as to the nature of “shaddy?”
Good Lord…
Steve from OH
October 25th, 2009
6:38 pm
John Sickels’ Braves top 20:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/10/25/1100362/atlanta-braves-top-20-prospects#storyjump
Not a deep system…
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
6:38 pm
Soph-
That’s what you get for sitting him
N8
October 25th, 2009
6:40 pm
Guys, is it that far out of the relm of possibility, that McLouth gets moved this winter? I have a feeling he might be part of a package bringing us our “big bat”. Especially if Jordan Schafer is still in the plans down the road.
Not sure who would play CF. But one has to think that Diaz at least is in a platoon situation in LF going into next year, and that they are going to expect Heyward to be up after June, barring a drasticly poor spring.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see Nate on the move. Not saying I want him to be traded. I think he is a hustle guy, that plays the game hard and plays it right. He’s a great secondary player, not so much of a great leader if your team needs one offensively.
He would be a fantastic lower half of the order hitter on a stacked team. He’s not a good leadoff hitter, and if he’s your best option for the 3-5 spots in the order, you’re team is in trouble.
He strikes out too much for the 2-hole. Though if a team had an absolute burner at the top, he might give you that Kenny Lofton/Michael Tucker type combo we had in 97 to start the year.
I just think he might go.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
6:42 pm
cab -
It’s all Eli’s fault. He makes it hard for me to bench him and start Carson.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:44 pm
Stephanie from Ohio……..If the Braves were to release Kelly Johnson and then try and re-sign him…………do you think that I would think that the Braves would re-sign him for most than $3 mil?
If the Braves were to release Kelly, I am more than aware that Kelly would be lucky to get $1 mil, whether from the Braves or another team.
However, due to him being an arbitration player……the way the system is set up…..if the Braves sign Kelly Johnson while he is a member of the Braves…….then there is NO WAY that he will get less than $3 mil.
Now I have been consistent in that assertion. I’ve said all along that if Kelly is non-tendered, then no one wins the bet.
How is that being “shaddy” on my part?
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
6:47 pm
Soph-
Matt Ryan is making it hard for me to bench Eli too…
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
6:48 pm
Guys, is it that far out of the relm of possibility, that McLouth gets moved this winter? I have a feeling he might be part of a package bringing us our “big bat”.
I not only think it’s a possibility, I hope it happens. In that case, I think Church plays CF until Schafer is ready. Personally, I think McLouth is overrated and most people vastly overvalue him. When Schafer and Heyward are ready, having McLouth around potentially creates more problems than he solves.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
6:50 pm
Stephanie from Ohio
Has anybody seen Benchwarmers, where Craig Kilborn is trying to come up with an insult for Gus, and the best he can do is
“Oh yeah? Gus…Gus…Gus bus! Yeah, that’s you!”
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:50 pm
I think it’s safe to say………..BALLGAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brent a.
October 25th, 2009
6:51 pm
Falcons shoulda gone for it on 4th down.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:52 pm
If Arizona can beat the Giants tonight…..then today will be a really good day for the Cowboys.
Last week, Dallas had a bye week while the Giants, Eagles, and Redskins all lost.
Would it be too much to ask the Redskins to beat the Eagles tomorrow?
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
6:52 pm
Good job not going for that 4th down, Mike Smith.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
6:53 pm
Ugly!
We look like the Braves. :facepalm:
McLouth can go too, I’m about tired of his crap as well. Poser.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
6:53 pm
I. hate. them.
Soooooo much.
N8
October 25th, 2009
6:54 pm
Looks like the Falcons wanted to play football about as much as the Chiefs did today.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:55 pm
brent a…………the falcons had the ball on their own 28 yard line. If they dont convert, Dallas is in field goal range.
Sure, in hindsight, going for it would have been better than giving up a punt return for a touchdown. However, with 9 1/2 minutes left in the game at the time, Mike Smith did the right thing by punting. It isnt his fault that the punt team gave up a touchdown.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
6:56 pm
What a dirty play. He hit him in the head.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
1) That was a very dirty hit
2) How on earth would that be a fumble? He was lying on his back when the ball came out. Is McLellan reffing this game?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:57 pm
He was down by contact. Falcons retain the ball. Still, my Cowboys will have to have a major meltdown to lose this game.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
Paul’s 6:55 is correct.
nolie
October 25th, 2009
6:58 pm
I don’t think 80 RBI is stretch at all. Not in the slightest. (KC)
it’s pretty unusual for a leadoff hitter to get 80 RBI. He hit in other slots with the Pirates, but you’re having him lead off. I’d bet against it happening if he spends the entire season there as you seem to be indicating.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
I wouldnt call it a dirty hit. I would say that it’s probably a personal foul. I’ve seen far worse “dirty hits”.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
brent a…………the falcons had the ball on their own 28 yard line. If they dont convert, Dallas is in field goal range.
Your also down by a lot in the 4th quarter.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
6:59 pm
You’re****
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:00 pm
Terrance Newman put a vicious hit on Roddy White there.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:01 pm
Dude went for his head – I’d say that’s a dirty hit. Or, “dirty hit” – however, you want to say it.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:02 pm
Is that Keith Brooking acting dancing and acting like an ass on the field? He needs to calm down – remember 3rd and 16 in Arizona last year? Yeah, thought so.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
jeffrey d…….at the time, the Falcons were down by 2 scores (13 points). If they were to hold Dallas to a 3 and out………then they would have time to score a touchdown……hold Dallas to another 3 and out (remember the Falcons can stop the clock using their timeouts)……and then get the ball back and try and score another touchdown.
9 1/2 minutes is a lot of time in the NFL. Going for it on 4th down, in that situation, was not the move to make. What the Falcons should have covered that punt and played some defense.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
Yayyyyyy. Not that it matters. But, still.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
7:03 pm
I’ve seen far worse “dirty hits”.
Well then, I’m convinced!
Or, “dirty hit” – however, you want to say it.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
7:04 pm
If they were to hold Dallas to a 3 and out………then they would have time to score a touchdown……hold Dallas to another 3 and out
Have you seen the Falcons’ D today?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:04 pm
cab – are you going to win this week? Or, is it still too early to tell?
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
7:05 pm
Or all season?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
jeffrey d…………If you want to get “technical”, Troy Aikman actually said that the head of the referee said during the commercial break said that it WAS NOT a dirty hit because the receiver had become a runner.
The “head to head” foul only comes into play when the receiver extends himself out to catch the ball.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:07 pm
Soph-
we actually picked all the same teams
It might come down to him putting more points on the 49ers to win then I did 
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:09 pm
jeffrey d………if the Falcons cant rely on their defense in crunch time……then they arent going to be able to win important games.
Mike Smith did the right thing with 9 1/2 minutes left.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:10 pm
Paul-
You are confusing “dirty” with “legal.” While it was a technically a legal hit because the receiver was running, it was not exactly “clean”- it was clearly a helmet to helmet hit (not to mention the Dallas defender drove his shoulder through the receiver’s head) and it would not suprise me if he was fined for it…I am not taking sides here, but that is the kind of hit the NFL wants to eliminate because they are so dangerous (and yes, a player can get fined for a “legal” hit like that)
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:12 pm
Man, Ryan was sacked 4 times today? Geez.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:12 pm
meanwhile, if any of you can catch the last 9:00 of the New Orleans/Miami game, you should- it’s a good one
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:13 pm
cabravesfan………….an NFL player CANNOT be fined for a legal hit.
However, he can be fined for an illegal hit that the referees missed or did not call in a game.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:15 pm
Freakin Saints. They came back?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:15 pm
cabravesfan………I’ve been switching back and forth between the Dallas-Atlanta game and the N.0.-Miami game. It’s nice to have the NFL Ticket.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:15 pm
Ugh, Ryan.
:facepalm:
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:16 pm
Soph……….37-34 Saints with 8 1/2 minutes left in the game.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:16 pm
Paul-
I believe they can if the hit is helmet to helmet- it’s happened quite a few time in the last few years
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
7:18 pm
cabravesfan……….a “helmet to helmet” is not a “legal hit”. And it’s only illegal when a receiver extends to catch the ball and in a “helpless position”.
Once he catches the ball and starts running, a “helmet to helmet” foul will not be called, nor the player fined.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:19 pm
I think I’ve seen players fined afterwards even if they weren’t flagged or penalized for hits. I can’t name a specific instance but I’m pretty sure it happens.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
7:19 pm
cabravesfan……….a “helmet to helmet” is not a “legal hit”
He’s getting better!
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
7:25 pm
Not good in Miami – Saints are ahead 37 – 34 and driving. Now at the Dolphins 17.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:27 pm
Well, at least the Saints won’t be mad when they play us next week.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
7:29 pm
Well, at least the Saints won’t be mad when they play us next week. – Soph
We think a lot alike!
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:30 pm
Soph-
I am currently winning our pool by 5
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
7:31 pm
I’ve been switching back and forth between the Dallas-Atlanta game and the N.0.-Miami game. It’s nice to have the NFL Ticket. Paul Lentz
That’s so sad to only have one TV. Poor Paul Lentz.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:32 pm
Go ahead, cab! Did you pick Favre or the Steelers?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:32 pm
Mixxo, just trying to be positive. Not a fun week.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:33 pm
Soph-
You really have to ask?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:34 pm
lol I know you don’t like him but they were undefeated.
I like Henne. He’s not bad.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
7:36 pm
Soph-
The week he played Green Bay, I nearly picked Minnesota simply because I was so used to picking any team that was not his…
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:38 pm
Well, Miami is self imploding.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:39 pm
Excuse me, self imploded. They’re done. Good try though – Saints offense is ridiculous.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
7:41 pm
…just trying to be positive. Not a fun week. – Soph
Nope, not at all. I sure was optimistic too. Man oh man.
N8
October 25th, 2009
7:41 pm
Do you guys have any idea how fast these guys move? The hit a few plays later was clearly shoulder to helmet. But all it would have taken was for White to move 6 inches and that would have also been helmet to helmet.
I’m not sure how anybody can ever determine at the speed these guys play, whether the helmet to helmet stuff is intentional or not. Which is why they flag them all. To discourage it from happening.
But if a guy is running full speed and lowers his shoulder and the guy ducks into his helmet, how is a guy supposed to change directions or ease up in mid tackle?
I don’t think the NFL actually has the safety of its players in mind when making rules like that. I think it’s all about the offense. If a guy doesn’t fear getting his clock cleaned from coming across the middle, the defense is at a disadvantage. If a guy does fear going across the middle, it changes the outcome of many plays.
Just like a batter wearing body armor and having no fear in leaning out over the plate. It takes away an important part of the game, which is fear on the part of the offensive player.
Every major sport has restructured it’s rules in the past decade to give every advantage to the offense. Then they clame it’s for player safety.
Find me a rule in any sport in the last decade that’s aided the lowering of scoring in its sport. I honestly can’t think of one.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
7:42 pm
Ridiculous…ha.
Way back when it was ree-duck-ulus.
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
7:49 pm
Do you guys have any idea how fast these guys move? The hit a few plays later was clearly shoulder to helmet. N8
N8, they easily hit 22 to 25 mph – each way for colisions at up to 50. Nothing scientific about it on my part, except rounding off 100 yd dash times to get mph.
Efrim
October 25th, 2009
8:04 pm
Steve from OH, imagine when Heyward loses his prospect status…..
They went pitching heavy in the 2008 draft and went cheap(besides Minor) in 2009. I agree with basically everything Sickels said. I don’t think it’s a Top 10 system, even with the best prospect in baseball in it. A lack of position players other than Heyward/Freeman and pitching prospects in the upper levels.
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
8:08 pm
Paul a “helmet to helmet” is not a “legal hit”
Someone forgot to tell that to Victorino…
Random
October 25th, 2009
8:13 pm
Paul Lentz (October 25th, 2009 5:24 pm): “P. W. Hjort…………..Here are the simple terms of the bet:
“I lose the bet if Kelly sings for less than $3 mil either in negotiations BEFORE the Braves offering Kelly arbitration…..DURING arbitration……or being awarded less than $3 mil by an arbitrator.
“If Kelly is non-tendered and released…it’s a push….no one wins the bet.
“How hard is that to understand?”
Kid, those may be one variant of YOUR ever-changing terms of the bet, maybe even the final variant (dated however well after our bet was consummated), but I never agreed to any of your terms.
On the other hand, YOU accepted my compromise terms as follows:
“I’m willing to compromise — if Johnson begins the season on the Braves ML roster with a contract of $3.0M or more (not counting incentives), I [Random] lose.
“If Johnson begins the season on the Braves ML roster with a contract of less than $3.0M (not counting incentives), you [Paul Lentz} lose.
“If Johnson does not begin the season on the Braves ML roster, the bet’s off.
“Deal or No Deal?”
To which you replied: “I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms”.
Your continued refusal to acknowledge YOUR OWN acceptance of MYcompromise terms, and your continued pretense that I ever agreed to any variant of your ever-changing terms is what makes you a welcher, a liar and a cheat.
You cannot simply whine, lie or argue your way out of it.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
Random……….Since you and I cant agree on the interpretation of the teams…….I’m going to call off the bet with you.
I did not go into this bet, expecting you to pull the “if Kelly is released and signs for less than $3 mil, than I lose” move………….
I want to make it clear that I made this bet with the assumption on my part that the bet would be a push if Kelly is non-tendered.
You, on the other hand, had the intention of trying to pull a fast one on me. If you didnt, then you would have clarified the “non-tender” issue.
Since you didnt, it shows that you had a hidden agenda with this bet.
I, on the other hand, was crystal clear as to my intentions.
So since we cant agree on this………I’m calling off the bet with you.
Random
October 25th, 2009
8:24 pm
Paul Lentz (October 25th, 2009 5:32 pm): “man up? Are you kidding? Why dont you “man up” and say that you was trying to be sneaky and shaddy with your intentions of the bet? I know what I was “betting”.”
Listen, Paul Lentz, simply answer this question: did you or did you not state the following directly to me?
“I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms.”
If so, what the h3ll are you trying to pull now?
If not, who the h3ll did?
“I’ll say this one last time: If you cant agree to non-tendering being a push……then the bet is off.”
The only way the bet is off is if you welch now on the terms you previously agreed to.
TnBrian
October 25th, 2009
8:27 pm
The obsession with Kelly freakin Johnson continues around here…..
abwright
October 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
I have to admit, I was feeling a little shaddy today. Now, I’m just floundering.
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
8:42 pm
That was DUMB!
bravefaninok
October 25th, 2009
8:44 pm
Mcfann must be watching Bad Vlad get doubled off!
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
8:47 pm
Random………….Well, when I agreed to “your terms”, I didnt know that “your terms” consisted of the option of Kelly Johnson being released and then re-signed for less than $3 mil as being part of the bet. That is not how I interpreted it.
So now that I understand “your terms”, as I stated in my previous posting, the bet is off.
I agreed to “your terms” under the assumption that any contract signed by Kelly would be while under the control of the Braves and Kelly being eligible for salary arbitration. That scenario is why I said that there is NO WAY that Kelly signs for less than $3 mil with the Braves.
If Kelly is non-tendered, then of course not only will Kelly not be under the control of the Braves, but he also will not be eligible for salary arbitration this winter. Knowing that, why would I knowingly agree to a bet like that under “your terms” which did not address the non-tender issue?
So if I’m guilty of anything, I’m guilty of not looking at this bet from “all angles”. I guess that I exercised bad judgment in trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I felt that what I was willing to bet on was “clear”. I guess not.
Your terms are simply unacceptable. The bet is off.
nolie
October 25th, 2009
8:47 pm
I was feeling a little shaddy today. Now, I’m just floundering. (abwright)
don’t carp about it too much even though it is a crappie day
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
8:48 pm
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to victory,fight Eagles fight,score a touchdown 1 2 3,hit’em low hit’em high,and watch our Eagles fly, fly Eagles fly,on the road to victory, e a g l e s EAGLES!!!
thats for you Mr. Lentz
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Andrew………how many Super Bowls have the Eagles won?
The 5 Super Bowls that my Cowboys have won………………….THAT’S FOR YOU MR. ANDREW.
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
bravefaninok–
You betcha.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
wow nice play rogers-cromartie
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
8:52 pm
Andrew……………….or better yet. HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s also for you Mr. Andrew.
abwright
October 25th, 2009
8:52 pm
Holy mackerel! McFann calls me dumb, and nolie tells me not to carp! I must be a little shellfish lately.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
hey paul why dont we just try winning a playoff game these days with the cowgirls…what was the final score last year the last game of the season i forget..
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
abwright–
I wasn’t calling you dumb!
I was calling Vlad dumb for getting doubled off.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
8:54 pm
Got to be a Kurt Warner fan tonight. Need the Giants to lose tonight.
Bye the way, Andrew………your Eagles lost to the Raiders last week………who then lost to the Jets this week 38-0.
Simply put, EAGLES SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK A$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
pauly what was the score i forget?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
Andrew………the high light of your whole life as an Eagles fan is losing a Super Bowl and knocking the Cowboys out of the play-offs.
I’ll take the pleasure I got seeing my Cowboys win Super Bowls over yours any day of the week.
Meanwhile, the Michael Vick experiment is really pay off for you guys, isnt it.
abwright
October 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
McFann Ô, 8:53 pm … “I was calling Vlad dumb for getting doubled off.”
I know, McFann. It was just an unfortunate juxtaposition after my “dumb” post. I thought it was a little fishy, your immediately calling my post dumb.
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
abwright–
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
its ok that beat down was enough and it was a beat down…the MVE is a process we dont need him anyway mcnabb is far better than little tony romeo (thank you skip bayless)