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jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
4:12 pm
Still don’t like the guy.
But hey, kudos to Bulldog Asher Allen for a forced fumble in his first NFL game. I like they guy, but I have a feeling he’ll be the Vikings’ Chris Houston. He got burned a lot in college.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
4:15 pm
cab – oh no, not making fun of him at all. I’m sure he’ll be starting from now on.
Is it wrong that I am loving the fact that the Steelers ran 2 Brett Favre turnovers back for touchdowns?
Hell no! I was jumping up and down like it was the Falcons doing it.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
4:15 pm
What’s wrong with Mughelli??
BravesFanChris25
October 25th, 2009
4:15 pm
Apparently La Russa has signed a multi-year deal to stay Cards manager. Cards also let go of their hitting coach Hal McRae and his replacement could be………
Mark McGwire ~_~
Soph
October 25th, 2009
4:18 pm
Mughelli’s been hurt. He was out last week too – not sure what the exact injury is.
Efrim
October 25th, 2009
4:19 pm
I like Matt as the best OF we have at this moment. And Prado is second to none but mac in the IF
Doc, you really think Prado is better or more valuable than Escobar? And the same with Diaz over McLouth?
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
4:20 pm
Calf….I like Ovie too.
chris
October 25th, 2009
4:23 pm
yea, $92-95 million payroll is pretty good. heck of alot better than what it was three years ago, at around $80 million. if we resign hudson at around $9 million and laroche at $8.5 million, would give us about $10 million to spend on a big bat
Soph
October 25th, 2009
4:25 pm
Man, Snelling is rolling over people. I like him.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
4:27 pm
Man, Snelling is rolling over people. I like him.
Me too…fullbacks, tight ends, and linemen are my favorites.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
4:27 pm
Ryan to Roddy! Woo hoo.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
4:27 pm
David O’Brien……….Here are some savings that the Braves will be able to make in 2010 over the 2009 season: Jeff Francoeur $3.375…….Kelly Johnson $2.875……..and the one of the salaries of the 6 starters in the rotation that we have (assuming that Frank Wren trades one of them). Last year, the Braves spent $15 mil on Lowe, $11.5 mil on Vazquez, $13 mil on Hudson (even if insurance paid part of it, at the beginning of the 2009 season, the Braves had to budget Hudson’s salary because they didnt know when he was going to come back. Remember, there was speculation that Hudson could have been back by late July or mid-August), Tom Glavine $1 mil (his signing bonus), Jair Jurrjens $450K, Tommy Hanson/Kris Medlen/Jo Jo Reyes (while Hanson was our 5th starter for 4 months, he was in the Minors for the first 2 months of the season. Medlen and Reyes pitched in the 5th spot before Hanson’s call up) $400K…..and Kenshin Kawakami $8.33 mil.
The total the Braves budgeted for starting pitching in 2009 was a $49.33 mil. I think that it is safe to assume that the Braves will be able to budget less than $49.33 mil for starting pitching in 2010…..and apply those savings to improving the offense .
If the Braves are able to trade Lowe (as many of you on here are pushing for)……then the Braves starting pitching payroll will be Vazquez $11.5, Jurrjens (approximately $600k), Hanson (approximately $450K), Tim Hudson ($10 mil a season if he re-signs), and Kawakami $7 mil……..for a total of $30 mil.
If the Braves keep Lowe and trade Kawakami instead, the starting pitching payroll will be $38 mil……still a savings over $11 mil over the 2009 season. Depending on whether the Braves trade Lowe or Kawakami……the Braves will save either $19 mil or $11 mil on starting pitching in 2010.
The Braves will have money to improve the offense…….even if the total 2010 payroll is the same as 2009.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
4:31 pm
Soph – you like that special teams hit?
OMG!!!
Soph
October 25th, 2009
4:33 pm
I saw it Mixxo! Dude got knocked flat. Took him a minute to get up too.
Looking good on both ends, so far.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
4:38 pm
Loved the intensity on D. Gotta keep up the pressure.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
4:40 pm
Damn-Watching my Tampa Bay Bucs today was almost like being in a 20 year time warp. They suck so bad that I thought Ray Perkins or Sam Wyche was still coaching them and Hugh Culverhouse was still the owner. I guess the only real question is do they suck worse than the Rams?
N8
October 25th, 2009
4:42 pm
Efrim, I like Matts bat over McLouth. McLouth can do some pretty exciting things with his legs. But Matt hustles his ass off, and he’s a better, more consistent hitter than McLouth has been in quite some time.
Agree, however that while Prado is an asset, he’s not better than Escobar. Especially when you factor in defense. Which also factors in with McLouth and Diaz.
DOB, yes. The Vikings got screwed on that play, which sucks for anybody rooting for the Vikings. Since I’m not in that category, it made me laugh.
Karma has it’s way of working itself back around, and since they have gotten away with the Williams boys not being suspended for the first 4 games of the season, you’re going to be hard pressed to find ANYBODY that feels sorry for them because the refs missed a call.
Back to the INT? Not really Favre’s fault. Taylor has to comedown with that one. That being said, Favre has always had difficulty with the screen plays because he throws the ball so hard. While that wasn’t bulleted in there, it wasn’t much of a touch pass either, not to mention it was high. So not all together his fault, but he’s not fault “free” on that pass (he’d tell you the same thing).
That being said, there is a reason I was watching that game and not my Chiefs game (which was on for some reason in our region). That reason would be that the Chiefs completely suck. LOL
bobbymahlon
October 25th, 2009
4:43 pm
Jonathon : I know Mark is not your typical home run hitter but don’t forget he hit 23 homers this year which is more than most of the players currently on the roster. As I look at the players available I wonder if Matt Diaz could fill that void for a year unless whe can get somebody better like say Gonzales. If we sign LaRoache are we going to get upset with him the first half of the season and wished we went in another direction. I hope we don’t go in the direction of another has been, slow, over the hill player like Camanitte,Wilson,or Franco.
Random
October 25th, 2009
4:44 pm
Paul Lentz (October 25th, 2009 3:20 pm): “Your 12:39pm posting shows that you are looking to complicate the bet by giving yourself additional edges and outs.”
You are a liar and a cheat.
The terms of the bet to which you agreed are still right where they were first posted, and are repeated above. They are quite simple and admit of no retroactive interpretation.
“For you to say that if the Braves were to non-tender Kelly and then re-sign him for under $3 mil…..then I would lose the bet……..shows that you are trying to be shaddy.”
“Shaddy”??? I’m saying that any subsequent scenario that you (or actually Mitchie-san might come up with does not affect the agreed-upon terms of the bet. Per the simple terms of the bet, only if Johnson does not begin 2010 on the Braves ML roster is it a “push”.
YOU yourself are the one who tried to pull a “shaddy” by attempting to qualify the bet less than an hour after you had (in writing) accepted its terms.
“Again, I have said all along that the Braves will either non-tender Kelly Johnson…..or sign him to a contract to at least $3 mil. If the Brvaes non-tender Kelly……….then the bet is a push…no matter what. The Braves signing Kelly to a contract after that is irrelevant to this bet.”
Those are not the terms of the bet which you accepted in writing at October 24th, 2009 10:49 pm (“I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms”).
It’s totally immaterial what you might have said or meant previously or subsequently.
“So for you to win the bet…..Kelly Johnson has to sign a contract for less than $3 mil……..while he is eligible for salary arbitration as a member of the Braves this off season. That is what I said that I’ll bet anyone on here $100 for.”
Those are not the terms of the bet which you accepted in writing at October 24th, 2009 10:49 pm (“I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms”).
It’s totally immaterial what you might have said or meant previously or subsequently.
“You are trying to be shaddy and pull techs in order to complicate the bet.”
(”Shaddy”???) No “techs” — that’s why when I proposed the compromise terms at October 24th, 2009 8:03 pm, I wrote everything out — the conditions under which each of us would lose as well as the conditions under which the bet would be off.
“Complicate” the bet??? The agreed-upon terms immensely simplified and clarified the bet. You accepted those terms last night, but now YOU are trying to bring in complications.
“I dont care what you think you made the bet for.”
I don’t think — I know. It’s right there in plain English writing. Perhaps you do not know what you agreed to?
“I know what the bet is.”
Apparently not, not based on the following:
“I’ll be more than man enough to pay off the $100 bet if Kelly signs for less than $3 mil before the arbitration process. However if you think that I’m going to pay you off if the Braves non-tender Kelly and then re-sign him for under $3 mil…….then you are out of your mind. The whole point of my contention is that Kelly being eligible for salary arbitration is what will drive up his salary….no matter how much he SUCKED A$$ in 2009. Many on here were clammoring that the Braves sign Kelly to 80% of his 2009 salary for the 2010 season. And I said that there is NO WAY that is going to happen because of how salary arbitration works. In response, a number of people on here said that I was out of my mind for suggesting that. So that is why I posted my bet, to back up my point with cash.”
“The whole point of [your] contention” is totally irrelevant to the written terms of the bet which you accepted in writing.
“Either take the bet on those simple terms……or the bet is off.”
The only way our bet is off is if YOU welch on it. Or if you can prove somehow that you’re mentally incompetent to make such a bet. Are you a minor? Mentally retarded? If not, and you do welch, then you’re a liar and a cheat. Plain and simple.
Either man up or shut up.
By the way, here again are the October 24th, 2009 8:03 pm written terms of the bet to which you agreed in writing at October 24th, 2009 10:49 pm (“I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms”):
“I’m willing to compromise — if Johnson begins the season on the Braves ML roster with a contract of $3.0M or more (not counting incentives), I [Random] lose.
“If Johnson begins the season on the Braves ML roster with a contract of less than $3.0M (not counting incentives), you [Paul Lentz} lose.
“If Johnson does not begin the season on the Braves ML roster, the bet’s off.
“Deal or No Deal?”
That’s what you agreed to — read ‘em and weep.
(Not here, though, if you don’t mind.)
McFann Ô
October 25th, 2009
4:45 pm
Soph Man, Snelling is rolling over people. I like him.
Just plain old Snell is better…
N8
October 25th, 2009
4:45 pm
Lew, do you get the feeling that if the Bucs and Chiefs played, it would end in a 0-0 tie?
The bottom half of the NFL is so frickin bad right now, it’s scary.
In the last 10 seasons, there has only been two years where more than one team won 2 or less games. There is realisticly 4 or 5 teams that could end up with only 1 or 2 wins.
One of my buddies is a Bucs fan. He’s about as miserable as I am.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
4:46 pm
Random-There is seldom an upside to wagering with weasels (Kevin Costner movie?).
Lew
October 25th, 2009
4:48 pm
Nathan-Living in The Great White North, I unfortunately have lost contact with the Bucs in recent years. I swear that the only name I recognized today was Rhonde Barber and I’m not even sure he played. I mean, when the best player they had was some defensive guy from KANSAS of all places……
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
4:48 pm
wow still talking about kelly johnson
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
4:50 pm
Soph-
Your boy Matt Ryan better have a good game today…
Rob from SC
October 25th, 2009
4:51 pm
DOB
Any feeling about whether Brandon Jones fits into the Braves plans next season?
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
4:51 pm
The Dolphins are putting it on the Saints (to help the Falcons) 14 – 3.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
4:52 pm
He’s working on it, cab! He already threw one td for you – don’t be too greedy now.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
4:52 pm
Rob-The more relevant question might be DOES he fit into any of the Braves’ plans?
Lew
October 25th, 2009
4:54 pm
Rob-I’m not too certain at this point in time if Brandon is going to get any kind of serious shot in the Braves’ outfield. With the outfield problems they’ve had the past couple years, if they were going to us him, I think they already would have.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:01 pm
Random…….You might want to go back and re-read what I said. Under the terms of the bet, I said that if the Braves non-tender Kelly, then it is a push. No one gets anything. What happens after the Braves non-tendering Kelly is irrevelant. If you was holding out hope that you was going to try and win the bet by hoping that the Braves will re-sign Kelly Johnson for less than $3 mil after non-tendering him……..then again, you are out of your mind. I did not make the bet under those terms.
The bet was made with the understanding that Kelly Johnson being eligible for salary arbitration. If he is non-tendered, then he wont be eligible for salary arbitration. Of course I know that if Kelly Johnson isnt eligible for salary arbitration, then the Braves can sign him for far less than 80% of his 2009 salary.
How hard is that for you to understand? I am not trying to get out of the bet.
Non-tendering is a push. No weaseling out on my part. Either stick with the bet……..or the bet is off.
I’m not trying to be sneaky or add stipulations. The terms of the bet are simple.
Rob from SC
October 25th, 2009
5:04 pm
I agree, but I would like to see him given a chance before we get rid of him. He could probably match Ryan Church’s numbers for a fraction of the price
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
5:08 pm
Soph-
I have to be greedy- I’m playing my cousin and I have to beat hm or I will never hear the end of it!
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:09 pm
Rob-As far as I’m concerned, Church and Kelly need to be non tendered. If they decide to let Diaz play regularly, I suppose Brandon might be a reasonable platoon partner.
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
5:09 pm
17 – 3 Dolphins over Saints
Soph
October 25th, 2009
5:10 pm
Ha, cab – that’s funny. I’m playing my cousin too. I benched Carson and he has 3 td’s!
Ugh, Ryan just threw a pick.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:11 pm
Dallas starting to put more pressure on Matt Ryan. Hopefully Romo can wake up and get the offense moving and put some points on the board.
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
5:13 pm
The terms of the bet are simple.
No they aren’t. You’ve been explaining them for like 5 days now and nobody seems to have much understanding. Well, that’s a lie, I understand perfectly. But god damn, if it takes that much mental energy to discuss the terms of the bet, they’re anything but simple.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
5:15 pm
Dallas fumble!
keylargo, are you watching the Saints/Dolphins game?
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
5:16 pm
10 to go NASCAR
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:17 pm
Lew, I don’t think Brandon Jones has much to offer at the big league level. I’m curious to see how Schafer performs once his wrist is healthy. If Heyward doesn’t make the team out of camp, I could see Schafer earning his way onto the team as a 4th OF’er or potential Matt Diaz platoon mate. I don’t think the Braves are ready to give up on Schafer yet.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:18 pm
look at all the pressure on matt ryan
nolie
October 25th, 2009
5:18 pm
Of course I know that if Kelly Johnson isnt eligible for salary arbitration, then the Braves can sign him for far less than 80% of his 2009 salary. Lentz
I don’t think that they can, unless the rule about that changed.
Maximum Salary Reduction
In tendering a contract to a player (or renewing the contract of a player not yet arbitration-eligible), a club’s salary offer may not be less than 80% of the player’s salary and performance bonuses the previous year or less than 70% of his salary and performance bonuses from two years earlier
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:19 pm
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
TOUCHDOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNN COWBOYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rob from SC
October 25th, 2009
5:19 pm
Lew
I agree that we should non-tender Johnson and Church.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
5:19 pm
Yuck. I hate the Cowboys.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:19 pm
thats the only good reciever the cowboys have and you let him beat you
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:20 pm
KC-I don’t really see much of a future for Brandon either-that’s why I said IF they were going to use him they would have. Still, if Schafer is not ready AND they find a good hitting left fielder AND they go with Diaz in right-then maybe they might use Brandon. Small chance, though.
nolie
October 25th, 2009
5:21 pm
hats the only good reciever the cowboys have and you let him beat you (Andrew)
that’s why he’s good
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:22 pm
yeah double team him
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:22 pm
N8, I agree with Wren’s recent comment that we haven’t seen the best of Nate McClouth. He’s very capable of holding down the leadoff spot next season and putting up numbers like…
.268, 25 Homeruns, 80 RBI, 40 2B, 25 steals
His OBP isn’t great for a leadoff hitter… but his speed and his doubles power makes up for it. If I had to bet, I’d say we’ll probably both be more impressed with him next year than we were this year.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:22 pm
Rob-Yeah, too much buck for the bang. Church might possibly be all right IF he actually played every now and then. I think, that if nothing else, he’s proven to be injury prone. After his short termed tenure in Atlanta, I think we see that Jerry Manuel wasn’t far off-even if he did open his mouth when he should have left well enough alone.
Efrim
October 25th, 2009
5:23 pm
I like Matts bat over McLouth. McLouth can do some pretty exciting things with his legs. But Matt hustles his ass off, and he’s a better, more consistent hitter than McLouth has been in quite some time.
N8, I think Nate is the better player overall, but I do agree that it is pretty close and I understand if you think is bat is better. But it should be, since he plays in a corner and Nate doesn’t. I still haven’t quite figured McLouth out. Like you said, he does some things well, but he still hasn’t shown that he can hit lefties consistently throughout his career and he isn’t too much better than average defensively in center.
The bottom half of the NFL is so frickin bad right now, it’s scary.
I’ve never seen it this bad, like ever. Look at the beat down the Chiefs, Rams, Bucs and Browns got today. Real bad. My Niners lost, and now it’s back to the Alex Smith show. Good to see that it shoul be a strong QB draft next year. Jake Locker anyone?
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
5:24 pm
I think we all hate the Cowboys a little more now.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:24 pm
P. W. Hjort…………..Here are the simple terms of the bet:
I lose the bet if Kelly sings for less than $3 mil either in negotiations BEFORE the Braves offering Kelly arbitration…..DURING arbitration……or being awarded less than $3 mil by an arbitrator.
If Kelly is non-tendered and released…it’s a push….no one wins the bet.
How hard is that to understand?
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:24 pm
I hope we haven’t seen Nate’s best. I sure was NOT impressed with him in Atlanta this year.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:24 pm
church is a goner
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:25 pm
I hate football. When football’s in season, it’s all you hear about. Between the NFL and NCAA it’s friggin’ EVERYWHERE. It completely takes over all sports talk. Can’t stand it. I can’t F’ing stand it.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:26 pm
nate needs to cut down on the K’s and get that on base perc. and average higher ..he’ll be ok
Efrim
October 25th, 2009
5:26 pm
I don’t think the Braves are ready to give up on Schafer yet.
I sure hope not. How many plate appearances has he had over the last two seasons? Like 400?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:27 pm
Nolie…….if the Braves were to non-tender Kelly (in effect releasing him)…….then if they were to re-sign Kelly after that, then it is my understanding that they can sign him for less than 80% of his 2009 contract.
However, as long as Kelly Johnson is eligible for salary arbitration………then the Braves cannot sign him to less than 80% of his 2009 contract. Still, it is VERY RARE for a salary arbitration to not get a raise the following year……not matter how much he SUCKED A$$ the previous season.
Random
October 25th, 2009
5:27 pm
Paul Lentz (October 25th, 2009 5:01 pm): “You might want to go back and re-read what I said. Under the terms of the bet, I said that if the Braves non-tender Kelly, then it is a push. No one gets anything. What happens after the Braves non-tendering Kelly is irrevelant. If you was holding out hope that you was going to try and win the bet by hoping that the Braves will re-sign Kelly Johnson for less than $3 mil after non-tendering him……..then again, you are out of your mind. I did not make the bet under those terms.”
You are a fwcking liar. I should re-read what you said?!?!?
This is what you said: I’ll go ahead and accept the bet under your terms.
Plain and simple. It does not matter what else you may have said before or after.
Either Man up or Shut the Fwck up.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:29 pm
KELLY JOHNSON SUCKS
nolie
October 25th, 2009
5:29 pm
268, 25 Homeruns, 80 RBI, 40 2B, 25 steals (KC)
you honestly think he’s gonna get 80 RBi out of the leadoff spot? Expecting a mighty powerful offense are you? Hope so.
Oh, his OBP is as good or better than Furcal’s was most years for the Braves.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
5:29 pm
Obviously, I spoke too soon about them playing well on both sides.
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:30 pm
Lew, agreed. McClouth was good but not impressive in ‘09 in a Braves uni. But really am confident that we’ll something next year more in line with his ‘08 numbers (.276, 26 HR, 94 RBI, 46 2B, 23 steals).
nolie
October 25th, 2009
5:31 pm
.then if they were to re-sign Kelly after that, then it is my understanding that they can sign him for less than 80% of his 2009 contract. (Lentz)
didn’t used to be able to IIRC. maybe so now. If it’s that easy to get around, how much good is it?
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:32 pm
Random…………..man up? Are you kidding? Why dont you “man up” and say that you was trying to be sneaky and shaddy with your intentions of the bet? I know what I was “betting”.
However, just to make it CLEAR…….if Kelly Johnson is non-tendered..then the bet is a push. If you arent willing to agree to that……then it shows that you were trying to be shaddy and sneaky with your motives of accepting the bet.
After all, what started all this was my contention all along that it was “wishful thinking” that the Braves were going to be able to sign Kelly for less than $3 mil………knowing that he is eligible for a raise in arbitration.
I’ll say this one last time: If you cant agree to non-tendering being a push……then the bet is off.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
5:32 pm
Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford will have season-ending surgery and expects to enter the NFL draft in April…The school announced Sunday that Dr. James Andrews will perform the operation Wednesday in Birmingham, Ala.
What I want to know is, how does James Andrews get all of the arm operations? There’s got to be more than one man in America that can effectively perform surgery on an arm.
Andrew
October 25th, 2009
5:33 pm
johnson and church they need to just let go seriously save 6 mill
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
5:34 pm
Soph-
Why on earth did you bench Carson??
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:35 pm
Sorry KC-I’ll believe that when Nate actually shows some kind of indication of possessing those skills. I did not see that this year. Nowhere near it. His hitting was not good. His power was there sometimes and even before the injury, he did not steal all that much. His batting average at Turner Field was dismal.
He DID show flashes of being a good defensive player, but even his D was disappointing-especially early on. Maybe that was acclimating himself to The Ted, but I was less than impressed overall.
Maybe he will end up as good as you think he is, but I want proof. I did NOT get it this year.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
5:37 pm
cab – he was playing the Bears D! I didn’t know he was going to throw 4 td’s in the first half. Between that decision and the Falcons sucking it up right now – not a good week, so far.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:37 pm
Tony Romo has definitely woke up with his second quarter performance.
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:37 pm
nolie, if McClouth has a solid season next year, I don’t think 80 RBI is stretch at all. Not in the slightest.
After the Braves lineup improved halfway through the season, its strength was its depth. The bottom of the Braves order was strong, and I think that will be the case next year as well. And solid hitters in the 7th/8th slot leads to more RBI opportunities for the leadoff hitter.
And if McClouth hits 26 HR’s and 46 RBI as he did in ‘08… 80 RBI is an INFINITELY attainable goal for him in the leadoff spot next year. He’s very capable of driving HIMSELF in at least 25 times.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:40 pm
KC-He hit those HR in Pittsburgh-NOT at Turner Field. He will NEVER hit as many in Atlanta as in Pittsburgh. Two entirely different parks and he wasn’t batting leadoff there as much as here. Apples and Kumquats.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
5:40 pm
Not our day today.
Ballgame.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:41 pm
UN-FREAKING-BELIEVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What an incredible Houdini play there by Tony Romo.
Sure, Romo will make his mistakes. However, it’s the Brett Farve in him (you know, the ability to turn a busted play into a big play)……….that makes Romo a potentially great QB.
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:41 pm
Lew: “Sorry KC-I’ll believe that when Nate actually shows some kind of indication of possessing those skills”
I don’t follow your logic, Lew. He WAS playing Major League Baseball before he got to ATL, you know. All you have to do is look at his 2008 numbers for indication that he possesses those skills.
Soph
October 25th, 2009
5:41 pm
Well, that had to be the worst first half of the season. Falcons better step it up after halftime.
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
5:42 pm
What I want to know is, how does James Andrews get all of the arm operations? Jeffrey D
Cause when he operates, they work again and don’t break.
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
5:42 pm
Andrew –
KELLY JOHNSON SUCKS
Troll harder, idiot.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
5:47 pm
Well, that had to be the worst first half of the season. Falcons better step it up after halftime. – Soph
We killed our self with TO’s. Can’t do that against the plowboys. All the momentum is on their side now.Gut-check time in the second half. Hey, at least the 49ers lost. LMAO.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
5:49 pm
Cause when he operates, they work again and don’t break.
I just find it hard to believe that Andrews is the only person who can do that. As if every other doctor in America is in the operating room going “uhhh, which one’s the funny bone?”
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
5:50 pm
Jordan Schafer has a strong arm. With his speed, he has the potential to be a really good defensive center fielder. I’m not sure exactly what the Braves plans for him are for the 2010 season. Do they plan on starting him at Triple A next year…..or will they give him a chance to win the job in Spring Training?
If Schafer eventually wins the center field job……..then Nate McLouth will either be moved to left field…….or traded. With Jason Heyward slated for right field in the not-to-distant future………something has to give.
Also complicating things is who the Braves go after to improve the offense for the 2010 season. If the Braves spend big money on a left fielder (either by trading or signing him as a free agent)………then that complicates things even more.
There are a number of unknowns out there.
cabravesfan
October 25th, 2009
5:50 pm
Mixxo-
That’s not nice! Especially since I want the Falcons to win!
At least Alex Smith looked good…
Lew
October 25th, 2009
5:51 pm
KC-Dude, you absolutely refuse to look at different situations and scenarios and see a difference. Pittsburgh is not Atlanta. You want facts and figures?
In 168 AB last year at Pittsburgh, Nate hit 9 HR. In 339 AB for the Braves he hit 11. His numbers at Turner Field this year were .208, .319 and a .346 SLG %. He hit 4 HR and knocked in 13 at Turner Field.
That was in 41 games at the Ted. Now he will be playing 81 games there this year. Wow. Extend that out to a full season and you’re talking about 8 HR and 26 RBI. I’m not at all certain where you get 26 HR and 80 RBI out of those numbers for half your season.
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
5:55 pm
cabravesfan -
OK, I take it back…..just for you though. Yeah, A. Smith did look good.
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
5:56 pm
Do they plan on starting him at Triple A next year…..or will they give him a chance to win the job in Spring Training?
I think he’s probably slated for AAA. He just hasn’t played enough the past two seasons. He played two months plus spring training in 2009 and 4 months plus spring training and winter ball in 2008.
Based on Wren’s comments, I don’t think the club will be counting on Schafer for anything in 2010. Though if he starts the year in AAA and tears it up, he could have an impact with the big club at some point in 2010. Just my guess.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
5:58 pm
At least we’re saving our time outs.
KC
October 25th, 2009
5:58 pm
Lew: You talk like PNC Park is Citizens Bank Park. It’s not. It’s ranked right in the middle of the league in HR’s allowed each of the past few years. Also, McClouth’s HR ratio was almost exactly the same at home as on the road… both with the Pirates.
That said, let’s go with the idea that he’ll hit a few less HR’s playing at the Ted than PNC. By the same token, he should be able to tally a few more doubles here..
So if he performs exactly as well next year as he did in ‘08, maybe instead of 26 HR’s, 46 2B’s, we see…
.276, 22 HR, 50 2B’s, 25 steals
I’ll take it.
keylargo
October 25th, 2009
6:00 pm
Jeffrey D
Here is the guy who was the Best of the Best before Dr Andrews.
http://www.kerlanjobe.com/index.php~practiceId=1052&dir=personnel&lib=Personnel&personnelId=260.html
P. W. Hjort
October 25th, 2009
6:01 pm
KC -
In the past 10 months McLouth has hit .256/.343/.436/.779 with 33 HR (3.71% of his AB’s). Expect about that (except with ~20 HR) in 2010.
Paul Lentz
October 25th, 2009
6:06 pm
P. W. Hjort……….Your 5:56pm posting makes sense. I anticipate Jordan Schafer starting the 2010 season at Triple A.
KC
October 25th, 2009
6:06 pm
Lew: he played like sh!t for whatever reason at Turner Field this year. As you pointed out, he hit around around the Mendoza Line at the Ted… so it shouldn’t be any surprise at all that he wasn’t hitting as many HR’s here.
I don’t think there’s anyone in the Braves front office that reads much into that or is worried he’s going to hit .208 next year at Turner Field.
But as I pointed out in my last post, while PNC is not exactly Citizens Bank Park… it’s a valid point that it’s a little more HR friendly than The Ted. So whatever HR totals he’s capable of in Pittsburgh, it’s probably reasonable to chop 10-20% off the HR total.
STILL… if he performs as well as ‘08, we’re talking about a solid average, 20+ homers, 40-50 doubles, and 20+ steals with an extremely high success rate.
Again, the Ted may be a little less HR friendly, but it’s not like the guy is coming from pre-humidor Coors Field here. There’s no reason to diminish his ‘08 season as much as you seem to be.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2009
6:12 pm
Hey where are the Falcons guys?
Soph
October 25th, 2009
6:14 pm
Hey, at least the 49ers lost.
cab – I promise I didn’t laugh at that.
Ok, I lied – maybe I giggled just a little bit.
Lew
October 25th, 2009
6:16 pm
KC-Whatever. Dude sucked as a Brave and especially sucked at Turner Field. If that gives you the warm and fuzzies and makes you think he will turn into Joe Leadoff hitter this year then more power to you and especially to him. Me, I’m going to wait and see some results before I claim he will become the leadoff hitter we’ve been missing all these years. But don’t sit there and claim PNC Park is comparable to Turner Field. It isn’t-at least to McLouth (Mc Sloth?).
Mixxo
October 25th, 2009
6:16 pm
jeffrey d -
I’m not going anywhere. I just don’t want to flood DOB’s blog with a buncha FB talk.
I had to “ballgame” ‘em to get that score…….it worked!
brent a.
October 25th, 2009
6:21 pm
I thought McLouth was good, not great.
I look forward to a better, more consistent 2010.