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TnBrian
October 21st, 2009
10:58 pm
It would be like Atlanta paying Ordonez $3m in 2010, I should’ve said.
Mixxo
October 21st, 2009
11:01 pm
I want a “J. Werth” type guy on our team. We don’t have anyone close to that.
Sad.
Steve from OH
October 21st, 2009
11:02 pm
I undersold the Phillies pre-season, but man, they are good…
Quisp
October 21st, 2009
11:03 pm
The Dodgers pulled a Braves in this playoff series. Wow! On another note….
Campillo, Carlyle dropped by Braves? Woooooooooo. Big deal! Show me some of Bobby’s boys that suck on this list and I will start believing we are serious about winning next year.
hiddie yall
October 21st, 2009
11:04 pm
What has heyward done so far in the afl?
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:06 pm
The Mets guy from last night is psychic.
Paul Lentz
October 21st, 2009
11:07 pm
It is amazing that many on here are “dumping” on Derek Lowe while being blindly loyal to Kelly Johnson.
Sure, the Braves are overpaying Lowe at $15 mil a year. However, it isnt like he is a total bust. He gave the Braves 194 innings this year and won 15 games. Plus he’s healthy. Many teams out there would love to have a workhorse like Derek Lowe on their staff.
The Braves would be FOOLISH to just dump him in any proposed Magglio Ordonez trade. One thing that many of you forget is that it is rare for a team’s rotation to stay healthy throughout the year. Chances are, one of the Braves starting pitchers next year could suffer an injury. Derek Lowe has shown that he seems to be “immune” to the injury bug. I would not just dump Lowe because the Braves want to free up some payroll.
After all, the Braves paid $13 mil for 1 month of Tim Hudson in 2009.
Yet the love and excuses that I hear concerning Kelly Johnson is baffling. Talk about a BUST. Dude made $2.85 mil in 2009 and basically stunk up the place. That $2.85 mil was more of a waste than the $15 mil that we spent on Derek Lowe.
If some of you on here cant see that, then there is no talking sense to you.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:07 pm
I undersold the Phillies pre-season
Remember when we had the best preseason record in the bigs?
TnBrian
October 21st, 2009
11:08 pm
We don’t have anybody near the man Werth is on our team, says Mixxo. Please, I guess McCann, Escobar, Chipper are just plain garbage to you? You put any one of those three in that lineup & I guarantee you that they will put up numbers like Werth or better. You’re being way too dramatic and silly.
philly insider
October 21st, 2009
11:09 pm
back to back nl champs. lee, hamels, howard, utley, werth, rollins, ibanez, victorino. it’s all about star power and the braves don’t have it.
TnBrian
October 21st, 2009
11:11 pm
Lentz, I don’t want KJ a Brave next year, either. But, when you have Hanson/Vazquez/JJ/KK/Hudson/Medlen all ready to take a rotation spot & you have a gaping hole in the middle of your lineup, then freeing up $45m for a #4/5 starter makes sense to a lot of people.
nolie
October 21st, 2009
11:13 pm
And I kinda doubt that anybody who was touting Lillibridge is in the same group touting Schafer. More likely now selling real estate. (Scoots)
Not so, I caught hell from DOB and half the board a couple of winters ago when everybody including many Braves officials were raving about those 2 guys who were supposedly such great prospects. You don’t remember how hyped they were for awhile? I do, made me sick.
Your post sounds like you didn’t catch the intent of mine about ol’ manly though.I’m certainly capable of differentiating between the two points…., and still being sarcastic.
Damn there’s some of them ellipsis thingies too.
P. W. Hjort
October 21st, 2009
11:13 pm
Paul Lentz -
2009:
Derek Lowe – 2.7 WAR ($12 million WAR$, $15 million salary, net -$3 million)
Kelly Johnson – 0.7 WAR ($3.1 million WAR$, $2.85 million salary, net +$0.25 million)
You really have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
nolie
October 21st, 2009
11:14 pm
Did someone really say foe paw? (soph)
musta been a booboo
P. W. Hjort
October 21st, 2009
11:14 pm
After all, the Braves paid $13 mil for 1 month of Tim Hudson in 2009.
No, they didn’t. I’m not sure if you’re familiar, but there is such a thing as insurance. They probably paid less than half that.
TnBrian
October 21st, 2009
11:17 pm
philly insider, how old are you? Nevermind, you’re a Philly fan. Like Mets fans, a 45 year old quickly turns into a 8 year old kid with ADD. Enjoy the ride because Lee,Hamels,Howard,Utley,Werth,Rollins,Victorino are all in their prime & the luck of having that lineup healthy & together most of the year will end. That’s baseball.
Mixxo
October 21st, 2009
11:19 pm
TnBrian –
Esco’s the only one that comes close. Chipper is done, Mac has a bat….that’s it.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:19 pm
back to back nl champs philly insider
We’re getting the real inside scoop here, boys!
nolie
October 21st, 2009
11:20 pm
Which, since Yunel Escobar is apparently the gold standard now, is better than or almost equal to Yunel’s numbers.
you can’t compare defensive stats cross-position. A good 2nd baseman should make fewer errors than a good SS over the long run.A 2ndBM who makes as many as a SS isn’t as good as that SS, so comparing him to Esco is not logical let’s say.
philly insider
October 21st, 2009
11:22 pm
tnbrian – do you really expect that core group of players to fall off just because they are just at 30? Jeter is 35 and still raking. no reason to expect utley to fall off anytime soon. or any of the others too. 3 straight division titles and I fully expect a 4th, 5tha nd 6th to be put on the board over the next three years. braves don’t have a shot and should just sell off some of their players and play for 2012.
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:22 pm
The Phillies are about to go to the World Series (if they don’t blow it tonight) and yet philly insider took the time to join us today. How thoughtful.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:26 pm
and yet philly insider took the time to join us today. How thoughtful.
That’s the equivalent of the Phillies flying to Atlanta after they clinch and celebrating with the Braves.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:27 pm
nolie – I was just comparing Kelly’s numbers to Yunel’s because Lentz did
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:28 pm
This postseason hasn’t been very competitive yet, has it?
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:30 pm
Yup, b/c if the Braves were going to the World Series today, I don’t think I’d be on a Philly/Mets/Marlins/Nats blog right as they were about to clinch. But, that’s just me.
Carry on philly insider. Any other insider info you care to share?
Mixxo
October 21st, 2009
11:30 pm
Is Chip gonna flat out “lose it” on the last out?
I’m not looking forward to that.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:31 pm
Yup, b/c if the Braves were going to the World Series today, I don’t think I’d be on a Philly/Mets/Marlins/Nats blog right as they were about to clinch
I don’t know about anybody else, but for me that REALLY puts in perspective how stupid the trolls are. Not that I didn’t already know that, but it just brings it to another level. Wow.
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:31 pm
Oh, and also nolie – you gave me credit in your 11:14 but jeffrey actually said that. So, I’m transferring my credit/props to jeffrey.
MZ
October 21st, 2009
11:31 pm
DOB —–
American Aquarium at the Melting Point tonight in Athens … gonna be at Smith’s Olde Bar in ATL on the 26th … you should check ‘em out if you have the chance
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:32 pm
This postseason hasn’t been very competitive yet, has it?
Nope. In my opinion – it’s been pretty boring. It hasn’t hooked me at all.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:35 pm
All the series have been one-sided. I figured the Dodgers/Cards would be the most competitive. But nope…
Phillies/Yanks WS should be good though
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:36 pm
Phillies/Yanks WS should be good though
Dream come true for Mixxo.
monty
October 21st, 2009
11:37 pm
Phils can just down right embarass you with their offense. “We’re going to need a bigger boat”.(power bat)
nolie
October 21st, 2009
11:37 pm
(Soph)
faux pas = false step = foe paw = booboo
I know he originally came up with it, but I believe that you asked the question that I responded to?? no matter really, just trying to get that moaner of a pun in
P. W. Hjort
October 21st, 2009
11:38 pm
You know what Lentz’s real problem is? It’s not the quality of his assessments. Or his lack of baseball knowledge. Or even the fact that he’s insufferable. Those are all problems, of course, but not the biggest one.
The problem is he’s angry. For instance, he’s angry at Kelly Johnson. He not only dislikes him, but he’s actually angry at him. A lot of fans dislike Kelly Johnson. That’s fine. But Lentz’s anger influences his opinions. When that happens, it’s impossible to look at things the way they are.
The power of the best posters here is their ability to wade through all of the rubbish and look at things the way they are. Not how they perceive them, not how the general public perceives them, but the way they actually are.
Stop being angry, Lentz. Stop looking at things through a hate-filled filter. You’ll find you’re much more capable of making sound decisions that way.
Mixxo
October 21st, 2009
11:40 pm
Dream come true for Mixxo. — Soph
East coast baseball baby!
REAL baseball!
Lubs!
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:42 pm
lol nolie, I got it. I was actually saying that jeffrey was the one asking who came up with it. VJ’s the one that did come up with it. He’s the trendsetter.
I’ll have to throw booboo into my vocab too now.
Boo Boo
October 21st, 2009
11:45 pm
Why do people smoke, Yogi?
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:46 pm
I guess Brad Lidge found himself
Jake W.
October 21st, 2009
11:49 pm
“back to back nl champs. lee, hamels, howard, utley, werth, rollins, ibanez, victorino. it’s all about star power and the braves don’t have it”-philly insider
Gee, I think I remember making back to back world series. Yeah, 96 against the, well you feel in the blank. Didn’t go to well for us braves fans.
It will be interesting though if the Yanks make it. Two former Cleveland aces facing off. Should be interesting.
Mixxo
October 21st, 2009
11:49 pm
Take a good look folks. That’s what winners look like….remember?
I don’t either.
‘11 is our year!
jed
October 21st, 2009
11:49 pm
lentz is right. kelly’s a butcher at second base. cant believe someone considers him “above average” defensively. that’s just ridiculous. kelly may well turn it around and become a good hitter someday. but he’ll do that playing LF.
nolie
October 21st, 2009
11:50 pm
Stop being angry, Lentz. Stop looking at things through a hate-filled filter. You’ll find you’re much more capable of making sound decisions that way. PWH
good point, but for most it’s not all that easy. any psychiatrist will tell you that most people base most of their decisions on emotion and not on logic. That’s why rants take up such a large amount of blog space all over the internet.
I remember a question that one of my psych profs asked to illustrate that point.
‘If a woman grew up in a household that had 8 children and the mother constantly complained about have the last 4 kids, what is the most likely to occur in her marriage?’
Of course many of uis newbys immediately said she would get married and have about 4 children.
that wasn’t the correct answer.
Quisp
October 21st, 2009
11:51 pm
I think its funny we are almost into November with the Braves out of the playoffs (again) and you guys still are fighting with Lentz.
Soph
October 21st, 2009
11:53 pm
So, the Phillies are the NL champs. That’s it for me – night, everyone.
jeffrey – good luck tomorrow.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:56 pm
kelly’s a butcher at second base. cant believe someone considers him “above average” defensively. that’s just ridiculous.
I believe I said Kelly was “slightly above average” defensively. Take his last full season compared to some recent gold glove winners’ seasons:
2008 Kelly Johnson: 14 errors, .981 fielding percentage
2007 Orlando Hudson: 10 errors, .985 fielding percentage
2006 Orlando Hudson: 13 errors, .984 fielding percentage
Again…I’m not trying to argue that Kelly is a brick wall, but he can hold is own. You guys are acting like he’s picking dandilions out there.
Mixxo
October 21st, 2009
11:57 pm
Quisp -
I’m not Quispy. I’m still focused on this poor excuse of a team WE have and I’m more pi$$ed than ever right now. Gawd we look soft compared to the Champs.
jeffrey d
October 21st, 2009
11:58 pm
Thanks Soph! Bedtime for me too.
TnBrian
October 21st, 2009
11:59 pm
philly, what I’m saying is enjoy the ride because I can’t remember one time in the last year or two that the Braves faced a Howard,Utley,Rollins,Werth-less lineup. Baseball is about talent and a lot of luck. Think about it.
How fitting… Philly fans boo TBS because the Braves played on that station years back.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:04 am
nolie,
What was the correct answer?
jed
October 22nd, 2009
12:05 am
defensive statistics tell us very little about a defender. well, they tell you when a defender sucks, as he will accumulate errors. like kelly. look, this is just not a point worth arguing. kelly cant go to his right to save his life. if you watch the games, that’s plain to see. and he boots a ton of balls hit right at him. as second basemen go, johnson’s in uggla territory. tell you the truth, i think second base is an albatross around KJ’s neck, and he’d welcome a move back to LF.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:07 am
jed -
Please read this.
jed
October 22nd, 2009
12:08 am
AND i think a move to LF would benefit KJ at the plate as well.
Jake W.
October 22nd, 2009
12:08 am
2008 Kelly Johnson: 14 errors, .981 fielding percentage
2007 Orlando Hudson: 10 errors, .985 fielding percentage
2006 Orlando Hudson: 13 errors, .984 fielding percentage
Those aren’t bad numbers but they are decieving. I think when some refer to KJ as a butcher there they also take into account those plays where an error isn’t given, like when the infielder doesn’t turn a double play. But as has been said before none of our 2nd basemen are exactly gold glovers so it really doesn’t matter to me. Even the good ones make mistakes. See Chase Utley this offseason.
a643dp
October 22nd, 2009
12:10 am
I just lost a lot of respect for the Phillies they had several speeches and not one mention of harry kalas. Sad Sad Sad When the Phillies couldnt spell a win in the 90s he was the only face of respect that city had..
nolie
October 22nd, 2009
12:12 am
(PWH)
well it’s kinda like baseball stats-lotsa stas in psych-in that it doesn’t apply to every individual just the large sample sixes, but the highest probability is that she will get married, have around 7-8 kids and complain about having that many.
nolie
October 22nd, 2009
12:13 am
sixes = sizes
Bay Area Steve
October 22nd, 2009
12:13 am
Tellin’ you folks: stop tryin’ to analyze Lentz. Just appreciate what dude brings. Entertainment; pure, unadulterated entertainment.
Oh, and quotation marks. Guy’s got a serious obsession. Allow me to recommend a way to scroll through his stuff: just read whatever’s in quotes. You’ll catch his point, inadvertently see SUCK A$$, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh. Best of all worlds, really.
nolie, psych point was lost on me. Would ya explain?
Next, I think Dr. Steve and PWH are brothers. Twins, maybe. Identical twins. perhaps. Not that this is bad. I enjoy, and learn from, both. But, I bet those two could finish the others’ posts.
Finally, uga, pour me a Wild Turkey.
TnBrian
October 22nd, 2009
12:17 am
a643dp, they also didn’t give any sort of respect to the Dodgers. Unclassy group of arrogant punks. Not all of them because I do like Rollins, but the rest seem like douche bags including that moron Manuel.
jed
October 22nd, 2009
12:18 am
hjort–yes okay i read that and i understand his point. i may consult whatever statistics in evalutating furcal vs escobar defensively, as they’re both good. but i need no such analysis to see the obvious about kelly johnson. i’ve watched baseball for a long time now. kelly’s awful. i have no idea why you’re even trying to defend the point. if you want to see KJ succeed, you need to recognize that he needs to change positions
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:18 am
nolie,
That actually makes a lot of sense. Cool stuff. Psychology isn’t my strong suit. I love it, just not very good at it. But that’s really interesting and a great example.
And you’re right about it being difficult to throw emotion out the door. It takes a conscious effort.
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:20 am
jed
I have never said KJ was a good defensive second baseman, but can I accuse you of over dramatizing his lack of skills at second??
He can’t go to his right to save his life. Actually, he goes to his right OK, and gets most balls to his right, but misses more to his right than the average second baseman.
He boots a “ton” of balls hit right at him. Actually, he boots more than the average second baseman, but he actually catches most balls hit right at him, and does so fairly well.
Johnson is in Uggla territory. Uggla plays second base, probably because there is nowhere else he would be acceptable (maybe DH??)
I might agree with you that he might welcome a move back to left field, but I would say that you sure like to over dramatize your dislike for KJ.
I don’t see where Prado is worlds better than Kelly. Better, yes. Prado has very limited range, but does a very good job of catching what is hit near him.
Kelly might end up being a decent hitting major leaguer. Unfortunately, I think it will happen elsewhere. I also think that in the end, he might turn out to be a better bat than Prado.
I just don’t see sending the guy to purgatory because he sucked this past year. If he sucks next year, he will soon be out of baseball. Many players have stunk it up, only to turn things around later.
Just seems that KJ is a polarizing player. When I have defended him in the past, I have been acccused of doing it for “other” reasons, like maybe not liking latin players or something (and that, because I was extremely critical of Escobar when he was in the midst of being such a drama queen earlier this season).
So, I understand you don’t like KJ’s defense. But, please, let’s just keep it close to being real. If he were that bad at second, he would have never gotten the playing time he has the past few years there.
Some will never forgive the dropped pop up from 2008.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:22 am
kelly’s awful. i have no idea why you’re even trying to defend the point. if you want to see KJ succeed, you need to recognize that he needs to change positions
I wouldn’t mind seeing him change positions. I don’t really care, his biggest strength has always been his bat, anyway. But I don’t think he’s awful at 2B. The metrics say he’s a tick or two below average. Certainly not an asset there, but not a tremendous liability. I think they’re more or less correct.
I think people’s perception of Kelly Johnson’s defense in general is highly influenced by this game. As bad of a mistake as it was, I don’t think it’s appropriate to weigh that more than his entire body of work. The entire body of work, according to +/- and UZR, is much better than a lot of people think.
uga-brave
October 22nd, 2009
12:24 am
wow, bay area steve just went top shelf.
TnBrian
October 22nd, 2009
12:24 am
See that sign from those trashy philly fans? “We hate EJ”. Maybe the northerners should look in the mirror when they say southerners are ignorant, huh?
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:27 am
At least KJ is not a pre-madonna! But it’s a crime shame that more people can’t see the good in Kelly!
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
12:28 am
We don’t have anybody near the man Werth is on our team, says Mixxo.
lol Really!? Did he say that? Insert Ryan Howard in a playoff game in front of Chipper, Mac, LaRoche, Yunel, and see how “Werthy” they get. I mean, over the 09 season Werth’s numbers are about the same as Chipper’s 09 numbers. And Chipper sucks in case you missed the opinion handed down by the blog.
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:28 am
uga
When are you heading out west this year?
nolie
October 22nd, 2009
12:28 am
psych point was lost on me. Would ya explain? (BAS)
emotions, not logic rule most people’s lives. In response to a post about not allowing anger/emotion to taint your responses, it’s hard for most to do. Those of us who are high logic-low emotion are looked on as ‘cold fish’…. (Sorry SCOOTS-I’m working on it) or not ‘true’ Braves fans..;)
uga-brave
October 22nd, 2009
12:29 am
to beat a dead horse, it is not about the errors kelly makes at second base it is about the balls he does not get to.
most middle infielders have fast twitch muscles. first step, getting into position etc.. kelly just does not have that skill set.
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:30 am
RHR
I wouldn’t mind having a guy like Werth, but he’d have to shave the crap off his face though…..
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:31 am
At least KJ is not a pre-madonna! But it’s a crime shame that more people can’t see the good in Kelly!
Failing to see the good in Kelly is a foe paw if you as me.
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
12:33 am
Although that is really sweet that you are willing to make such sacrifices…ah, love
Hmmmm…this reminds me of something. I can’t quite put my finger on it…hmmm…oh well, I’m sure it will come to me later. Ahem*cough*uscjim*cough*hack*choke*
TnBrian
October 22nd, 2009
12:33 am
Mixxo also said Chipper is “done”.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:34 am
For those of you who were prospect huggers at the time,
What were scouts’ opinions of KJ’s defense when he was a 19-year old SS OPSing 900+ in the Sally league?
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
12:35 am
If I go back and look for the beginning of this psychology discussion and it has anything to do with Kelly freakin Johnson I am going to strangle some people.
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:35 am
Agreed on KJ looking a bit stiff on the field (not having the twitch muscles?), but though Prado has better twitch muscles, he doesn’t have very good foot speed beyond that first or second step. Prado falls into a lot of balls that a guy like Kelly or Uggla might get to more easily. Prado is kinda like the outfielder who dives or slides, when he really doesn’t need to. He makes easy plays look hard sometimes.
Not to take away from Marteen though, he is a decent, sure handed second baseman. I think career wise, his strong point might be his ability to play multiple positions. I just don’t see either guy being a Braves starter, in 2-3 years.
uga-brave
October 22nd, 2009
12:36 am
2/3 of the phillies outfield were picked up off the scrap heap. both werth and victorino were had for basically nothing.
phills front office made the right moves not offering burrell or rowand.
in two years werth has become what the braves thought francoeur would develop into.
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
12:38 am
I heard that Kelly is going to be a daddy soon. I wish I knew if the mom was PW, Steve, or Wayne. Guess I’ll have to watch Maury to find out.
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:39 am
PWH Do you know the answer? I don’t remember much talk about KJ’s D back then.
I think that since he had that “Tommy Johnson” surgery, KJ should be cut a little slack. Imagine getting cut up like that!!
Wayne in Utah
October 22nd, 2009
12:41 am
RHR
Lentz is the mom. That is why he is so angry. He was screwed over for sure!
Wayne in Utah (Member of the Friends of KJ Society)
October 22nd, 2009
12:43 am
Gotta get to bed…….sleep like sheeyt last night. Later folks!
uga-brave
October 22nd, 2009
12:44 am
wayne, prado is never gonna make anyone think robby alomar. in fact i dont know if he is even better defensively then kj, but at this point i think he is the better option.
just think at this point he is the better fit offensively and defensively. braves have to get more righthanded.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:45 am
Do you know the answer?
No. I was 13 years old at the time. And I didn’t really have a serious understanding of baseball, much less the minor-league system. It wasn’t really until the Macon Braves moved to Rome that I started to study it.
Wayne in Utah (Member of the Friends of KJ Society)
October 22nd, 2009
12:45 am
And no, I don’t think KJ should take Lowe’s spot in the rotation next year. Not that he couldn’t. He is “the most interesting man” on the team!
later….
jed
October 22nd, 2009
12:46 am
i’m often critical toward KJ. true. i do think he’s at the wrong position, and i get tired of all the people who constantly defend him on the blog when they’d throw any other player under the bus if that player were underachieving like KJ does. but here’s the shocker. i actually like kelly. i honestly thought the way he handled himself after losing the 2b job was incredibly admirable. it wouldnt surprise me one bit if he turned into a more consistent, quality hitter, and i hope that he gets there. unfortunately, i dont think it’ll happen with the braves, especially not with arbitration coming up. i just dont see the braves rolling the dice on that one and i cant blame them for it. still, i hope the best for him.
would enjoy continuing the conversations, but gotta be up early tomorrow. tell you what. the phillies have a real chance against the yankees. i wasnt sure of that before seeing this series, but they could do it. night, all
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:49 am
RHR,
I believe Lauren Thacker is the mother.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
12:50 am
And no, I don’t think KJ should take Lowe’s spot in the rotation next year. Not that he couldn’t. He is “the most interesting man” on the team!
Comment of the night. I laughed out loud.
Bay Area Steve
October 22nd, 2009
12:57 am
nolie,
I follow the emotion stuff; I can destroy a remote-control with the best of ‘em. I just didn’t get why one of 8 kids, who watched her mom whine about the last four, would, most likely, have 8 of her own.
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
1:00 am
You narcissistic Tech kids can be so annoying.
Bay Area Steve
October 22nd, 2009
1:01 am
Continuing, I watched my folks have one kid, and it made me not want any…
So, I suppose I’m looking for expert psych advice on that, here on the ol’ MIB. Thinkin’ about it, not sure this is wise.
Mainly, I just can’t see why someone would have 8 kids, when they grew up in an unhappy, 8 child family. Are you sayin’ it’s caused by emotion? Or, is it simply, kids do what their parents did?
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
1:03 am
If a woman grew up in a household that had 8 children and the mother constantly complained about have the last 4 kids, what is the most likely to occur in her marriage?’
Divorce!
Bay Area Steve
October 22nd, 2009
1:04 am
At least they picked a school, RHR.
As you attented no less than fifteen different facilities, I’d hope that you could see that Tech isn’t the worst thing in the world.
Aah, just tryin’ to push buttons. Tech can’t be that great; McFann’s daddy went there.
Bay Area Steve
October 22nd, 2009
1:09 am
I wanna get me a little Vinings Jim/cabravesfan action goin’ with RHR. How do I do that? Will insulting her higher education help? ‘Cause that’s what I seem to have lead with.
Of course, I think she’s married, and I’m fairly certain she’s 2000 miles away.
And, then, there’s the fact that I’m an ass.
So, anyways, UGA sucks.
7
October 22nd, 2009
1:11 am
He!! we got another year of Bobby Cox!
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
1:11 am
Are you sayin’ it’s caused by emotion? Or, is it simply, kids do what their parents did?
I think this is his point:
The reason they had 8 kids was because they like kids–emotional response. Then, after she has 8, she realizes she didn’t really want that many. Logic would tell you, “HEY, DON’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE MY MOM DID!”. However, the daughter just can’t help herself. She’s genetically wired to love kids, so she’s probably going to have 8 of her own. Because emotion > logic in general.
P. W. Hjort
October 22nd, 2009
1:12 am
Are yall talking about Georgia Tech?
nolie
October 22nd, 2009
1:13 am
I just didn’t get why one of 8 kids, who watched her mom whine about the last four, would, most likely, have 8 of her own (BAS)
learned behavior. stats of course apply to populations. the center of the bell curve would be filled with women with many children who are unhappy about how many they have. If logic dictated most people’s behavior you would expect her to have about 4 kids, but that is not the most likely scenario because logic doesn’t influence most l.fe decisions.
RHR’s prolly right anyway. Divorce rules!
nolie
October 22nd, 2009
1:14 am
wanna get me a little Vinings Jim/cabravesfan action goin’ with RHR. (BAS)
me too. I had a crush on her first.
RHR
October 22nd, 2009
1:16 am
I picked a school, Steve, then I picked a husband after I got there and then I followed him around to all his schools, it was the wifely thing to do. But you’re right…I should have probably stuck with the school and let him go. lol nahh…he’s great and we have great kids, just didnt really have the marriage thing figured out.