8:49 pm October 15, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 18th, 200910:49 pm
If the Braves were to sign Bay, then what would you suggest they do with McLouth?
Is this a trick question? Bay plays LF, McLouth plays CF.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 200910:50 pm
Personally, I’m hoping 2010 is McLouth’s last year in Atlanta, if not 2009. If he’s not playing CF he’s not worth his contract and the Braves have a better option both offensively and defensively waiting in the wings.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 200910:51 pm
I watched us lose games from stagnant offense and poor defense.
The Braves were 4th in the NL in run prevention, and 6th in run scoring. What is the greater priority, considering that signing Bay won’t downgrade your LF defense?
. I feel having him man CF for 2010 (hopefully Schafer is ready for 2011) is the best course of action given the Braves finances.
I disagree, especially considering that you and I don’t know exactly what the Braves’ financial sitution is. Oh, and they do have a ton of flexibility to make room for Bay if they so choose. In fact, they could simply go the trade route for someone that both fits the budget and better addresses the needs of the ballclub instead of signing an aging and declining CFer if Bay doesn’t fit the budget. I don’t think they’ll sign either of them, for the record, but for the sake of argument I strongly prefer Bay.
Keep him in CF until Schafer is ready?
Not that I think the Braves should sign Jason Bay. If I were Wren I would look hard at Holliday but not necessarily Bay. I’m a much bigger fan of Holliday’s game.
October 18th, 200910:52 pm
Chris Houston you’re terrible
Well, that’s it for me. Early morning tomorrow so I’ve gotta hit the hay.
October 18th, 200910:53 pm
jeffrey d-Steve had an outfield of Bay-Schafer-Heyward.
October 18th, 200910:54 pm
I’m going to need an Advil after this game.
Steve from OH-thanks for the dialog/debate.
Maybe 2 or 3. That was terrible coverage.
October 18th, 200910:55 pm
PWH-completely agree…Holliday is superior to Bay.
It’s okay…red zone now. We’ll make 3 stops then get a turnover.
October 18th, 200910:56 pm
My bad, Bobby…I just came in on the tail end of that convo
October 18th, 200910:57 pm
jeffrey d-no big deal…did you post earlier that you are from AR?
I hate games like this.
October 18th, 200910:58 pm
DOB….enjoyed the GT-VT game and I am willing to bet your seat was warmer than mine. Was it just me or was the constant plugs for crowd noise on the Diamondvision screen just a bit annoying? Seriously, the first couple or so I can understand but after about the 10th one…ouch. Hate to be a season ticket holder and listen to that 10 times a game….ditto the train whistle. Read where GT had not beaten a Top 5 team at home since beating Bama and Namath 7-6 in ‘62. Damn….and I was there for both of them. Talk about Nostalgia.
CB….glad you made it to the Cheese Shoppe and Pierce’s BBQ. Hope your experience was a good one. Sorry about the Hokies just wasn’t their night. Good to see both GT and VT on top of the ACC which might be as weak as any time in recent memory. Just a bunch of really really bad teams.
You just jinxed them. I’m going to hold it against you forever and ever if the Bears score here.
Mixxo, I’m about to pass out.
October 18th, 200910:59 pm
Bobby – I was born there, but we moved when I was about 3 so it’s not like I remember anything.
Soph – c’mon…it’s not like it’s the Super Bowl or anything. We’ve already got 2 stops now…
October 18th, 200911:00 pm
A 2011 OF of Holliday-Schafer-Heyward would be just too awesome. I doubt the Braves are able to sign Holliday, though.
Holliday really is perfect for the Braves. Fixes the biggest systematic weakness, hits for average, takes his walks, hits for power (including homers), plays good defense, etc..
October 18th, 200911:01 pm
You don’t understand. This is the one game that I absolutely want the Falcons to win. I have cousins and friends from Chicago that will make my life miserable if the Bears win.
October 18th, 200911:02 pm
And isn’t JJ from Chicago?
October 18th, 200911:04 pm
True that – he is. I don’t think he cares about football though. And, I haven’t seen him around in a while.
tAgain-OPS+ does not factor in defense, right? Bobby
no, I explained in later posts that I’m not sold on the defensive stats cause Bill james isn’t sold on them. I’ll stick with hitting for my comparisons. I agree that Cameron is a better defender but fail to agree that fangraphs or any othe site or system can quantify it to the point of saying how much that counts towards worth. Still too subjective. Statisticians strive to remove al subjectiveness not allow it back in thru the rear door. The differences in OPS+ are substantial I don’t believe the defense is large enough to make up for it. Plus Cameron will be 37 before the season starts thus he is getting to the point that you have to worry a bit about whether he will start to lose it.
Soph – Mixxo, I’m about to pass out.
From the excitement or you’re getting tired?
October 18th, 200911:05 pm
Weeeeeeeeeems. Come on Ryan!
October 18th, 200911:06 pm
Or have you been drinking?
From the stress.
Maybe JJ’s been busy studying football
October 18th, 200911:07 pm
would like for the Braves to have signed Cameron two years ago. Imagine if they, instead of trading Joey Devine for Mark Kotsay, had signed Mike Cameron. PW
I agree with that. It would have been primo, but alas it was not to be
At this date I am less enthusiastic about signing him
See? Nothing to worry about. They’re just setting up another walk-off win
October 18th, 200911:08 pm
lol Hjort – I’m sober. I swear.
At this date I am less enthusiastic about signing him
Agreed 1,000 times.
October 18th, 200911:09 pm
cabravesfan – glad to see you managed to have interesting discussions revolving around you while I’ve been hard at work – and good luck with hugging Sanchez
October 18th, 200911:10 pm
Welcome home Sanchez is a SoCal boy…I’m sure I can find him
Turner the freakin burner! Woo hoooooo!
At least my return got the Falcons into the end zone…
October 18th, 200911:13 pm
Defense! Come ON. Don’t mess it up now.
October 18th, 200911:14 pm
That CAN’T happen dang it!
Your return’s also about to put the Bears in the end zone
October 18th, 200911:15 pm
Mark Bradley’s Falcons-Bears blog’s comment count just surpassed this blog’s comment count.
The D’s been awful all night…this shouldn’t be a surprise
October 18th, 200911:16 pm
No chocolate frosted cupcakes for the defense if the Bears score here.
October 18th, 200911:17 pm
I’m good at multi-tasking, jeffrey
October 18th, 200911:18 pm
Are you kidding? This D doesn’t deserve cupcakes even if they don’t score.
October 18th, 200911:19 pm
Only thing Chris Houston deserves is a mud cupcake.
I love Matt Ryan – he’s hilarious.
October 18th, 200911:20 pm
No, I’ll be nice since they made crucial stops in the red zone. If they can stop the Bears here – cupcakes for all!
I used to work in that building
Are you freakin kidding me? Screw the cupcakes! WTF defense?
October 18th, 200911:22 pm
I’ll make them some sloppy joe’s
October 18th, 200911:23 pm
Geeze…I need to make 22 sloppy joe’s for everyone on this drive.
October 18th, 200911:25 pm
This is it.
October 18th, 200911:27 pm
Good win, Falcon fans!
October 18th, 200911:28 pm
I expect my cupcake in the mail soon
That was awesome. Cupcakes, cookies, and chocolate for everyone!
October 18th, 200911:29 pm
They don’t deserve no cupcakes. This win was ugly on both sides.
And, I have the day off tomorrow!
Perfect sports weekend!
Cupcakes are good for me Thanks, Soph!
October 18th, 200911:30 pm
you get a special cupcake – USC/49ers style!
October 18th, 200911:31 pm
braves have no chance at holliday or bay…i predict bay stays in boston and holliday will take the most dough he can find and i think that will end up being the mets,cards or if the yankees fail to win the world series i’d throw them in there
October 18th, 200911:34 pm
Time for bed – I have to make major headway on packing tomorrow – a win by my secondary team helps make up for my primary team getting destrtoyed
I think you’re probably right. I think Wren finds a right-handed, power-hitting corner OF though. Just probably not on the FA market.
October 18th, 200911:35 pm
I hope he includes McLouth in a deal for a corner OF.
Deep breath. I’m okay now. Whew.
October 18th, 200911:37 pm
rumor has it that the phillies r looking to add gonzo ..out of csn philly
October 18th, 200911:38 pm
I have to make major headway on packing tomorrow
He movin to CA?
October 18th, 200911:40 pm
Piece O cake, Soph. Never a doubt in my mind. Ha
October 18th, 200911:44 pm
Soph, it’s gonna take a little while to come down from that one. I’m still jacked.
Dallas & N.O. coming up. Whoa!
October 18th, 200911:46 pm
jeffrey d – still deciding on destination
October 18th, 200911:51 pm
Pretty damn fun, huh Mixxo.
October 18th, 200911:54 pm
Bat – with the game over, now I can say – that was funnnnnn.
Mixxo – I practically lost my voice. I’m hoarse.
October 18th, 200911:57 pm
Yeah, it was fun Bat. Nerve-racking, but fun all the same.
Rock On: Couldn’t agree more about the repeated calls for crowd noise. It was like we were at an NBA game. I mean, it’s a packed house for a college football game between two ranked teams, did they really thing Tech fans needed to be told to get excited … and told again … and told again…
That said, it was a good atmosphere last night. Great night for Ga Tech.
October 19th, 200912:01 am
StingerSplash: Thanks, man.
And by the way, I’ve seen the option run a few times myself. You forget, I went to school at KU when it was the Big 8, and Oklahoma ran a little offense called the Wishbone. Nebraska used to run like crazy back then, too.
October 19th, 200912:06 am
I practically lost my voice. I’m hoarse. – Soph
I got kinda loud near the end. A few expletives were audible as well. Ok, maybe more than a few. lol
October 19th, 200912:16 am
I was texting back and forth with my Cousin in Tampa during the game. Then, when he got tired of typing he would call, but I was ahead of him, so when I would yell something, he would say..what..what.. damn I gotta go and hang up. It seems, no matter what game it is, I’m ahead of whomever I talk to on the phone.
October 19th, 200912:24 am
My cousins live in Chicago so they won’t talk to me right now.
October 19th, 200912:26 am
HaHa Soph, they’ll get over it one day.
October 19th, 200912:27 am
I don’t know – they’re still not over how the Falcons beat the Bears last year. It’s well worth it though.
October 19th, 200912:49 am
Well, they just have to suck it up then, Soph. Good night.
October 19th, 200912:54 am
October 19th, 20092:54 am
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October 19th, 20095:55 am
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Mid Town Joe
October 19th, 20098:27 am
McFann Ô –[brr!]
October 19th, 20099:42 am
I heard Victorino’s flying bat hit someone in the eye…
The Reaper strikes again!
October 19th, 20099:55 am
interesting stuff on the blog about signing an outfielder.
i tend to agree with bobby, for two reasons…one being that mike cameron is the best combination of speed power, and defense available on the free agent market. also, i realize that while bay and holliday fit the braves main need better, because they are good power hitters, the braves arent likely to be able to sign them. if we are going free agent, mike cameron seems like the best option that is also realistic.
October 19th, 20099:56 am
I think we should package a bunch of prospects we think are pathetic and ship them off to…oh, never mind, it’s too early on Monday morning to give away my brainstorm. At least I’ve awakened to a sunny day…
October 19th, 20099:59 am
Saw Mike Cameron’s son shagging flies during batting practice before Tommy Hanson’s debut (June 7th, I believe). We were sitting in the OF and some dudes a few rows ahead of us were calling him “Mini-Mike”. They were shouting things like, “You go, Mini-Mike!” Funny stuff…
October 19th, 200910:05 am
Mid Town Joe -
How about a heat blanket? Good god it’s cold.
October 19th, 200910:22 am
PWH-Yeah, it was 22 here when I got up this morning with a heavy coating of frost. We never really did see summer up here and probably won’t until next June (if we’re lucky).
October 19th, 200910:23 am
It would have been better for the Braves to keep Clark and unload Hudson. But, then, the Braves have supplied many other teams with “assistance” lately so why not Washington?
October 19th, 200910:26 am
Cameron’s numbers look very simliar to the braves starting center fielder we have now. I do not see the rationale in signing a 36 year old veteran who is on the decline. 24 hr and 75 rbi in a lineup that has the likes of Braun and Fielder as protection….pass
October 19th, 200910:30 am
October 19th, 200910:33 am
PWH-Central Vermont-about a half hour from Montpelier.
October 19th, 200910:34 am
billy walshI do not see the rationale in signing a 36 year old veteran who is on the decline. 24 hr and 75 rbi in a lineup that has the likes of Braun and Fielder as protection….pass
cameron’s stats this past year are very consistent with his career numbers. he is showing no sings of decline. cameron’s offense would be a huge upgrade from garrett anderson, and having him and mclouth in the outfield (probably mclouth in left) would probably make it one of the best defensive outfields in the NL. and, cameron did not have braun or fielder for protection. he bats behind them. (mostly 5th or 6th in 2009)
October 19th, 200910:35 am
Yikes. I guess I can’t really complain to anyone from Vermont about the temperatures in Atlanta.
October 19th, 200910:37 am
Billy-I don’t know-as a stop gap measure with him replacing Anderson in the lineup, Cameron might be a decent alternative IF we can’t sign a good piece for a few years and maybe not such a bad idea if we think Schafer will be really ready by 2011. He would give us good defense either in left or center (with McLouth playing the other position) and give us somewhat better power and offense than Garret did (with maybe a look of more hustle?). Maybe not the best long range option, but he should be cost beneficial and give us a bit more punch and a bit more protection for Chipper.
October 19th, 200910:40 am
PWH-There really isn’t any comparison, but I have seen below zero temps in Athens and Atlanta when I lived there and froze my substantial behind off there numerous times. Still, never saw it hit minus 36 actual temp and I have here-more than once. Now THAT is freaking cold. Never saw three feet of snow in Georgia, either, but in ‘73, I did see two feet in Macon. Now that was surreal in the extreme.
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