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jeffrey d
October 18th, 2009
7:09 pm
NE has held the Titans to negative 7 passing yards. Negative 7.
cabravesfan
October 18th, 2009
7:11 pm
It’s safe to say there is no menacing facial hair, and I do NOT have a big butt
(and thus ends the conversation regarding said body part…)
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:11 pm
Big butts? Goatees? I leave for an hour and this is what we’re talking about now?
And, Mixxo’s ugly pumpkin.
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2009
7:11 pm
You put me in for 30 downs, and I’m pretty sure I can get at least one yard passing. -7?
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
7:12 pm
Yeah, I wish I could say I thought of that myself, PWH…
Bat Masterson
October 18th, 2009
7:12 pm
Mixxo, I have no idea how you get from, the ability to forget a tough loss, to facial hair and a big butt, but hey, it’s your imagination.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:13 pm
Well, Vince Young contributed to the negative 7 yards too. I think he came in during the 3rd qtr.
cab – Remember Vince Young?
cabravesfan
October 18th, 2009
7:14 pm
Soph-
who?
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
7:16 pm
Bat Masterson –
I dunno…..
It’s what you gotta have if you’re not Mariano Rivera
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/mixineer/yankees_logo_pumpkin_example.jpg
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2009
7:17 pm
According to the box score, Vince Young is 0/1 with an INT. Those -7 are all on Kerry Collins. You can count his passer rating on one hand.
You can count Brady’s on 16 people’s hands, though.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:17 pm
Short-term memory. Good stuff.
Sanchez has 4 picks? Yikes.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:19 pm
Back-up dude even got a few td’s, I think.
David O'Brien
October 18th, 2009
7:21 pm
Someone asked about Heyward earlier. He came out of game with a minor glut (butt muscle) strain. Day to day….
Speaking of gluts, mine are sore after we rode to Helen, Ga. today. Great ride, even if a bit chilly. Octoberfest going on there, tons of people.
I highly recommend North Georgia BBQ for anyone who’s up that way and hasn’t been. Someone here recommended it to me after I went to Helen last time. This time I ate there, right off the main drag in Helen. It’s terrific. The pulled pork, the stew … top shelf.
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2009
7:22 pm
Man, even DOB is joining in on the butt talk.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:25 pm
Glad Heyward’s okay. Can you imagine the freakoutness in here if something happened to him?
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
7:30 pm
Soph’s 7:25 -
You’re not kidding. It’s like he’s already got the MVP, the ROTY, a batting title and a gold glove already wrapped up. :facepalm:
Guy doesn’t have a single AB yet.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:34 pm
Mark Sanchez looks so sad.
cab – go give him a hug.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:35 pm
WTF is wrong with kickers in the NFL today? Seriously, Bills?
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
7:37 pm
All that pre-kick build-up jinxed him.
cabravesfan
October 18th, 2009
7:39 pm
Soph-
I would love to give him a hug
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:42 pm
I figured you wouldn’t mind, cab. Looks like he’ll probably be okay though.
Game over for the Bills.
cabravesfan
October 18th, 2009
7:43 pm
Leon Washington’s on my fantasy team…yay!
ozzie
October 18th, 2009
7:45 pm
Donny baseball Mattingly as the next Braves manager? I for one would like to see it. The article below just talks about him being ready not linked to the Braves.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2009/10/18/mattingly_may_be_ready_to_step_up_to_the_plate_in_managerial_position/
He sounds ready and he would be a quite a feather in Wren’s cap – to get a baseball legend and great hitter as his next Manager – very slick.
Forget the fossils and manager retreads and please forget about TP and his fellow coaches – no offense.
Imagine – Don Mattingly announced as the Braves next manager this winter. You make him the bench coach for 2010 and he works with Bobby to take over the team.
Picture Mattingly working with Heyward, Freeman and McCann? Imagine the quality hitting coach he would demand given his background never mind his overall experience as a winner on winning clubs.
Heck do it ASAP and watch how it makes FA’s give the Braves a second look this winter. If a guy like Holliday or Bay knew Mattingly was going to be their manager for the next 5+ years they may come calling.
The guy is a winner and at 48yo will relate to a younger club.
Yes there is risk going with a rookie but its Donny baseball. The Braves PR dept would go nuts over it.
Short of landing a LaRussa or Scioscia Donny would get fans talking.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:47 pm
What in the hoo ha were the Jets thinking there? What was that?
Haaaaaa.
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
7:48 pm
This Bills game has turned comical! LMAO!
Soph
October 18th, 2009
7:58 pm
This game is wacky. Crazy!
ColoradoBravesFan
October 18th, 2009
8:02 pm
Hey DOB, Riding around today in the part of GA I’m from. Originally from Clarkesville, real close to Helen. Did you stop in “Cornelia”? My parents still live live up there, but Air Force has me in Colorado Springs now.
GO BRAVES.
Duke
October 18th, 2009
8:15 pm
North Georgia BBQ is delicious. We have a place on Lake Burton, which is twent minutes north of Helen. Octoberfest is a good time there. Great atmosphere.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
8:16 pm
Of the announcers in the 5 series that TBS covered, I think Joe Simpson was the best.
Mets 4 Life
October 18th, 2009
8:17 pm
“We’ll be more than happy to take your 2nd round draft pick for Soriano.”
I’ll bet there is no chance your team offers arbitration. Soriano is going to be a nice pickup for a team this year because their won’t be a draft pick attached. Gonzalez too. No chance. Braves are scared since the Maddux disaster. They’ll both be gone and you’ll have the aussie closing and walking every lefty he sees.
Bat Masterson
October 18th, 2009
8:18 pm
Did the Raiders give Cable a, going to jail present, today.
Bat Masterson
October 18th, 2009
8:24 pm
OOMEBACK TIME
Beat Da Bears!
Soph
October 18th, 2009
8:24 pm
I would say the Eagles gave Cable the present seeing how bad they played.
Go Falcons!
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
8:29 pm
I’ll bet there is no chance your team offers arbitration. Soriano is going to be a nice pickup for a team this year because their won’t be a draft pick attached. Gonzalez too. No chance. Braves are scared since the Maddux disaster.
LOL, such a disaster having Greg Maddux on your team.
I’d say it’s 50-50 whether or not Soriano is offered arbitration and close to a 90% chance Gonzalez is offered arbitration.
Bat Masterson
October 18th, 2009
8:29 pm
I hope your Sunday evening is laughingly fun, Soph.
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
8:30 pm
Here we go!
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
8:31 pm
Hiroki Kuroda is very good at pitching…
Soph
October 18th, 2009
8:32 pm
You too, Bat! Game time.
Andrew
October 18th, 2009
8:38 pm
jason werth would be a good brave
Andrew
October 18th, 2009
8:39 pm
werth for lowe?
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
8:42 pm
werth for lowe?
I’d jump on that deal with both feet!
Can’t stand Lowe…..love J. Werth……he’s a ballplayer.
Who says pitching wins?
October 18th, 2009
8:43 pm
Look at the Phillies! Their pitching sucks. It’s all about good lineup depth. Braves need to extend it by adding TWO impact bats, plus Jason Heyward.
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
8:45 pm
DeCoud!
Ronald Millsaps
October 18th, 2009
8:45 pm
Forget trades and signings for a moment. If the Braves ran like the Angels did, things would be a lot better.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
8:45 pm
Day-Coo!
Woo hoo!!
Mets 4 Life
October 18th, 2009
8:47 pm
“I’d say it’s 50-50 whether or not Soriano is offered arbitration and close to a 90% chance Gonzalez is offered arbitration.”
Zero chance on Soriano. 50-50 on Gonzalez.
Andrew
October 18th, 2009
8:49 pm
braves need to keep larouche..get jermaine dye and bring up heyward
nate mc
prado
jones
dye
mccann
esco
larouche
heyward (ROY)
i only say dye because it is a realistic possiblity
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
8:51 pm
Soph, two three-and-outs. We need to make an adjustment.
Ronald Millsaps
October 18th, 2009
8:51 pm
By the way, “ccrider”, I hope you, “cherokee”, and “nolie” aren’t providing more of your typical nonsense and that you get banned if you continue to run your mouth. By the way, if someone mentions a controversial book, don’t expect those who differ with it not to comment. I doubt you know or care about how unreasonable you are, so I won’t spend much time educating you, but the fact that you ran your mouth against those who differed with you and not the guy who used hatred speech against Christianity says it all about you.
“jeffrey d”– In response to your comment about the Francoeur trade, yeah, we needed to keep him and not zero in on 2009 only, but although he is traded, we still could reacquire him.
NFL– I’m tired of the Steelers getting so many blatantly-wrong calls. They were short of that first down today, and there’s no excuse for their getting it. The NFL seems to have a bias for the Rooneys and an even-bigger bias toward upholding dumb rules, as in overturning Hines Ward’s TD catch today. He had two feet, two knees, and two elbows down on two occasions before the ball ever came out. The play is over when he’s down in the endzone with possession, not when he’s through rolling.
Go, Falcons.
cabravesfan
October 18th, 2009
8:53 pm
mmmm- Mom’s homemade chicken soup…nothing better on a chilly evening
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
8:55 pm
Zero chance on Soriano. 50-50 on Gonzalez
It’s silly to keep debating because we’re both speculating, but I think you’re wrong about this one.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
8:55 pm
Definitely, Mixxo. Gotta get something going on offense this time. No more 3 and outs.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
8:59 pm
Fudge! Come on Ryan.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
9:01 pm
i only say dye because it is a realistic possiblity
Come on, it’s October. We can do all that realistic stuff later, time for dream, fantasy world scenarios now!
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
9:02 pm
Looks like Da Bearsss want this more than us.
This could be over soon.
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
9:05 pm
ballgame
bravefaninok
October 18th, 2009
9:09 pm
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
9:05 pm
ballgame
The dodgers are done!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C's
October 18th, 2009
9:11 pm
Did I just read someone say how the NFL has a bias towards the Rooney’s, and then in the same sentence, explain how Hines Ward had a touchdown OVERTURNED?
Ummm……
Mixxo
October 18th, 2009
9:11 pm
bravefaninok -
I was talking about the Falcons.
bravefaninok
October 18th, 2009
9:13 pm
yeah i see that,but if the shoe fits!
Soph
October 18th, 2009
9:13 pm
Ryan’s off. Not good.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
9:16 pm
This episode of Curb is shaping up to be quite hilarious.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
9:18 pm
DeCoud again! Woop, woop.
GoldenGlove002
October 18th, 2009
9:27 pm
Horrible camera work and bad specail teams play is making me mad. Oh well, atleast the Falcons tied it up
Bat Masterson
October 18th, 2009
9:38 pm
Looks like Da Bearsss want this more than us.
Mixxo, you give up to easy.
richbrave
October 18th, 2009
9:39 pm
JASON WERTH to the BRAVES, DEREK LOWE to the PHILLIES, wow. When did this trade go down?
Gov Clinton Tyree
October 18th, 2009
9:45 pm
It’s already happened in the Bizarro World.
NotAgain
October 18th, 2009
9:47 pm
By the way, “ccrider”, I hope you, “cherokee”, and “nolie” aren’t providing more of your typical nonsense Milsaps
oh yeah you da man Ronniebaby, you da man. OC freak.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
9:51 pm
Bat, Mixxo! Woo hoo so far. How sweet was that last TD to Tony G?
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
9:53 pm
nolie-According to fangraphs, Cameron has been more valuable than Bay for each of the last three seasons. When you then factor in the lower asking price and Type B vs Type A. I think it is very logical not so funny.
NotAgain
October 18th, 2009
9:53 pm
i only say dye because it is a realistic possiblity Andrew
what are we gonna trade for him? and that plus 12 million is that realistic? I’m not so sure. Or are you assuming that the Sox won’t pick up the option?
NotAgain
October 18th, 2009
10:00 pm
According to fangraphs, Cameron has been more valuable than Bay for each of the last three seasons. Billy
according to BBRef Bay’s OPS+ the last two years has been 130 and 132. Cameron’s has been 110 and 108. I don’t know about nolie but I think that stuff fron fangraphs is a little too subjective and theoretical for my tastes. Add Cameron’s age and I agree with him that Cameron is not to be preferred over Bay in any way but perhaps money
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:00 pm
Duke-There is not objective analysis that shows Diaz is a way better hitter than Cameron. Do you not remember Diaz’s 2008 season? Even this season, his splits are still that of a platoon player.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:06 pm
According to fangraphs, Cameron has been more valuable than Bay for each of the last three seasons.
This is entirely due to fielding, which is hardly as quantifiable as hitting. In regard to hitting, Bay is better, hands-down.
Bat Masterson
October 18th, 2009
10:07 pm
Slow start again, Soph. But then pick up the tempo and boom.
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:08 pm
I realize this will send several on the blog over the top, but please remember defense before you react. According to fangraphs, Braun was only slightly more valuable than Cameron last year and actually less valuable than Cameron in 2008. I realize this is just statistical analysis, but it should at least be considered.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
10:14 pm
Plus Bay is better suited for the Braves because he fixes the biggest systematic weakness–the inability to hit for power from the right side. Cameron, as valuable as a player as he may be, does not.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:16 pm
PWH–exactly. You can assess a player’s value in a vacuum, sure, and that’s all fine and dandy, but you need to look deeper and assess how each player applies to your individual team. Bay fixes the biggest problem we have; Cameron will not. I’m willing to put up with sub-par defense in left in order to accomplish this.
NotAgain
October 18th, 2009
10:17 pm
, but please remember defense before you react. Bobby
according to an interview with Bill james someone posted a few days ago, defensive stats are still about 25% less reliable than hitting stats. thatmakes the fangraphs conclusion questionable
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:19 pm
NotAgain–WAR is very academic. I question it for that reason–that you’re weighting two stats (wOBA and UZR) equally when in fact they are not equally as reliable. I really like wOBA, but I have my own issues with UZR. I like it as a ballpark guesstimate and as some form of empirical proof; I hate it as the sole argument for defensive ability, because it shouldn’t be.
NotAgain
October 18th, 2009
10:22 pm
I really like wOBA, but I have my own issues with UZR. I like it as a ballpark guesstimate and as some form of empirical proof; I hate it as the sole argument for defensive ability, because it shouldn’t be.
Steve from Oh
he said there has been improvement but still said they are less reliable and I assume he meant the best of then since it was an inclusive statement.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:24 pm
Yeah, it’s been improved, but I find it hard to believe you can quantify defense into so few variables like they do–plus the so-called “objective” stat has subjective components. But whatever. It’s not terrible and it does have uses.
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:27 pm
NotAgain-OPS+ does not factor in defense, right?
Duke
October 18th, 2009
10:27 pm
Bobby, Cameron has never batted over .273 in a full season. And he has a high of 176 strikeouts, so if you can tell me that he is a better hitter than Diaz then you just don’t know baseball or watch it for that matter.
Rock On......
October 18th, 2009
10:28 pm
I was wrong. Yep. Didn’t think GT had much of a chance against VT. Fun game and we tailgated to the hilt. Great atmosphere but consoling my VT son and daughter who flew in from Colorado Springs….not so much.
Caught a good show at East Andrews in Buckhead Friday night. It was a two night show of local bands. Buck O Five opened it and are very cool dudes who will drink a beer with ya. Worth a listen if you catch them in town. Their drummer is a regular with the Georgia Satellites.
Topped it off with a late dinner at Houston’s with the Blackened Grouper and a couple of Sweet Georgia Brown Ales. Atlanta weekends fly by….damn.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
10:29 pm
Does wOBA include base running?
StingerSplash
October 18th, 2009
10:29 pm
DOB,
Sorry about your Jayhawks. That’s a tough loss to a crappy team.
Hope you enjoyed the Jackets’ triple option show. Spent most of my college years and adult life watching that offense directed by the offensive maestro Paul Johnson. When that offense is humming, no one can stop it. No one. It’s a little different from the Big 12 Air Raid variations to watch.
By the way, nice story in today’s paper too on Tech. A fine job by someone who doesn’t have to cover college football very much.
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:30 pm
Steve from OH-I don’t argeu that Cameron has been a superior hitter to Bay. However, once you consider defense, asking price, number of years required to sign, and draft pick compensation – then you have to consider them more similar than intially just looking at offensive production. Cameron’s defense and speed would be welcome additions to areas of weakness for Braves.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:30 pm
I think it includes stolen bases (but not entirely sure; I know EqA does) but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t have anything like EqBRR in it, PWH.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
10:31 pm
Bobby
No. OPS+ is just OPS adjusted for park effects.
P. W. Hjort
October 18th, 2009
10:34 pm
I would like for the Braves to have signed Cameron two years ago. Imagine if they, instead of trading Joey Devine for Mark Kotsay, had signed Mike Cameron. Not only would they have a better shot at competing in 2008 and 2009, they wouldn’t have shipped those 3 prospects off for Nate McLouth and could have, instead, shipped them off for a natural corner OF who is a legitimate power-hitting threat.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:34 pm
However, once you consider defense, asking price, number of years required to sign, and draft pick compensation – then you have to consider them more similar than intially just looking at offensive production. Cameron’s defense and speed would be welcome additions to areas of weakness for Braves
Don’t forget age. Cameron is 5 years older than Bay, and probably will want two years, so you’re going to be getting some 39-year old MC in there. Not a fan. In any case, Cameron only stole 7 bases last year, and didn’t surpass a 75% success rate, so his speed is likely exaggerated. The defense is great, but out biggest weakness right now is RH power, not LF defense. Prioritize. If the resources are there, you go get Bay. Period.
Besides, should Schafer find his way back to Atlanta, having that strong of a defender in CF (along with Heyward’s reportedly stellar defense in RF) will offset Bay’s lack of defensive ability in LF.
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:34 pm
NotAgain-even if you reduce Cameron’s defensive valuable by 25%, that still does not account for the higer (probably double) asking price for Bay and the commitment (probably at least 4 years versus 1 or 2 for Cameron).
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:36 pm
Duke-if the best you have is batting average and a continued ignoring of Diaz’s 2008 season, then enjoy your current state of satisfaction with Diaz.
Steve from OH
October 18th, 2009
10:38 pm
Look, dude, Cameron was worth 8 runs above average offensively last year with the stick. He’s 37. He’s much more likely to get worse than suddenly become a .850 OPS hitter (which, btw, he’s never done in his career). Those are not good things. Bay was worth 36 runs above average offensively last year. You’re talking about LF, not a premium defensive position. Did you watch us lose games because our offense was stagnant for most of the year? We need offense far more than solid LF defense.
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:38 pm
PWH-thanks…good thoughts…me too.
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2009
10:41 pm
I’m assuming we’ve been watching the game, no? Our D has been terrible….until they get in the red zone and they’re suddenly spectacular.
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:45 pm
Steve from OH-I watched us lose games from stagnant offense and poor defense. I just don’t see spending twice the annual salary and 2 to 3 times the years commitment for Bay. I am not expecting Cameron to dramatically improve. I feel having him man CF for 2010 (hopefully Schafer is ready for 2011) is the best course of action given the Braves finances.
2010 Outfield
LF: McLouth
CF: Cameron
RF: Diaz/Church
2011 Outfield
LF: McLouth
CF: Schafer
RF: Heyward
4th OF: Diaz
I realize/hope that Heyward can contribute in 2010, but would rather not count on it.
If the Braves were to sign Bay, then what would you suggest they do with McLouth?
Bobby
October 18th, 2009
10:48 pm
Steve from OH-I also just do not think it is realistic to expect or even hope the Braves will sign Bay.
Soph
October 18th, 2009
10:48 pm
Ugh, Jenkins! He tipped it right into the Bears hands.