8:49 pm October 15, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 17th, 20099:48 pm
He does. Escobar is a line drive hitter, whereas I think of Martin as having more loft and pop in his swing. (Acorn)
Prado has more lift cause esco keeps his front shoulder down throughout his swing, but Esco is stronger than Prado. Neither one will likely hit 20 homers very often if at all
Steve from OH
October 17th, 20099:50 pm
nolie–did you happen to see the video of Cody Johnson I posted? Any thoughts?
October 17th, 20099:51 pm
mlbtraderumors says Esco might be available
so what? all they do is copy every baseball comment they can find. most of it has no validity at all. They have even mistaken sarcasm for truth and posted that. Bah.
October 17th, 20099:52 pm
everyone has flaws I won’t hold it against you
I agree, Pizza is always good
does that mean you are a Domer?
McFann Ô –[brr!]
October 17th, 20099:53 pm
CB you will come to Blacksburg next year and we will be waiting for you,buddy.
Haha, OK…but don’t be waiting with celebratory cupcakes and oatmeal raisin cookies.
October 17th, 20099:54 pm
no I musta missed it, I’ll go back and look later. He did have a long kinda mechanical swing fair but not outstanding speed and a good bit of lift. Like most all long swings there are some holes. Any changes or is it an older video?
Soph Pizza is always good
Oh yeah! Greatest invention on the planet.
October 17th, 20099:56 pm
CB – sorry – I was rooting for your guys!
cab,a Hokie. McFann, we don’t get mad ,we get even.
October 17th, 20099:57 pm
Here it is. From this year’s Carolina League ASG:
October 17th, 20099:59 pm
if you are going to give props, make sure you give them to the right person! That was MY comment
I don’t hate VA Tech- in fact I kinda like them, but I have to go with what helps my guys…you understand, right?
October 17th, 200910:00 pm
I actually rather like VA Tech, but gotta go with what helps my guys…you understand, right?
VJ,thanks. We finally made our trip to Williamsburg,had a great time. We saw your beautiful campus, ate at The Cheese Shop and Pierces BBQ and loved them both,wife said you guys knew food.
October 17th, 200910:01 pm
Sorry! computer messed up my post
October 17th, 200910:03 pm
We will let you ride on that one,cab.
October 17th, 200910:04 pm
HUUUUGE win today for Tech! WOW.
October 17th, 200910:09 pm
I’ll take credit for it.
Pizza is yummy.
CB – when can I expect my shipment of House Dressing from the Cheese Shoppe? I am glad you enjoyed it…
cabravesfan – patience, love…
If Alabama ends up beating SC badly, do they take over the number 1 spot? Those Gators sure didn’t look good today.
October 17th, 200910:15 pm
October 17th, 2009
I like Prado, but he’s no Robinson Cano.
Nice error also
October 17th, 200910:16 pm
Will Ohman is available. I’m thinking the Braves will pass – again.
Dodgers Decline Option On Will Ohman
By Mike Axisa [October 17, 2009 at 9:09am CST]
The offseason hasn’t even started yet for the Dodgers, but they’ve already made their first personnel move. According to MLB.com’s Ken Gurnick, the team has declined a $2.2MM option for lefty reliever Will Ohman, instead paying him a $200K buyout. Ohman was one of the last free agents to sign last offseason, landing with LA at the end of Spring Training.
Ohman posted a 5.84 ERA in 12.1 IP for the Dodgers, and lefties tattooed him for a .296/.406/.889 batting line. His season ended in late May when he was placed on the disabled list with soreness in the acromioclavicular joint in his shoulder, and he later strained the flexor tendon in his elbow while rehabbing. Ohman had surgery on the shoulder joint in late September and is expected to be ready for Spring Training.
Steve from OH
On the Cody Johnson tape, I have seen the guy in person and he has a huge hole in his swing on the inner half of the plate and he cannot I repeat CANNOT hit breaking pitches well at least the 4 times I saw him. Down and away with the breaking stuff or a FB on the inner half he’ll whiff all day!
October 17th, 200910:17 pm
VJ, you mentioned before they sold it in bottles. I did inquire from the clerk and she told they did not sell it in bottles but only in small containers. I don’t know if she knew what she was talking about,my wife and I were disappointed as we were planning on sending you one and taking some home for ourselves.
October 17th, 200910:23 pm
Jay–that’s probably not good…
October 17th, 200910:27 pm
That’s not good at all and if he can’t find a hitting coach to help him with his problem he’ll never make it to the ML and if he does he’ll be a LH Mike Hessman but at least Hessman plays decent defense. Cody has improved on D but he’s still below average.
October 17th, 200910:31 pm
CB we don’t get mad ,we get even.
Whoa…weird. Why did I think Soph said that? Hmm…these news specs–just gettin’ used to ‘em.
So, OK, props to you! Gimme a pepperoni pizza and I’m at peace with the world! Never met one that I absolutely didn’t like!
October 17th, 200910:40 pm
I will forgive you, just this once I can’t resist a good pepperoni pizza either (although I like sausage mixed in there too)
October 17th, 200910:51 pm
cb – I was kidding – it’s always been plastic containers – not exactly shippable…
P. W. Hjort
October 17th, 200910:52 pm
Heck of a game today. Very cold, though. I think my fingers are going to fall off.
October 17th, 200910:56 pm
Cody Johnson needs to get a lot better to even succeed at AA. I’m very concerned about him. I haven’t liked anything about how his development has progressed thus far.
Oh, just saw the last play of the KU game….that’ll make you cry if you’re a Jayhawk fan.
October 17th, 200911:00 pm
PWH–I wouldn’t say that. His walk rate went way up this year from what it was at Rome, as did his ISO. So did his BB/K His defense has also (allegedly) gotten to be at least passable.
I think that the fact that those things did improve as he moved up the chain suggest (to me) that he has the capability to improve. Let’s see if he can continue it.
October 17th, 200911:09 pm
What happened with Heyward he was replaced in the bottom of the 3rd
October 17th, 200911:13 pm
Maybe they called him up.
October 17th, 200911:18 pm
Yay, for Heyward being called up!
October 17th, 200911:19 pm
I foresee Bama being #1 in the polls now.
October 17th, 200911:22 pm
I think Florida’s close win will be seen moreso as an aberration than a weakness. But I think Bama will close the gap significantly.
October 17th, 200911:23 pm
he looks much the same as B$. You know I’m hopeful cause of his youth but not real optomistic for him at the MLB level. Still long and mechanical and a lot of wrap and the truth is that it’s pretty hard to change that into much else.It could get fixed with a lot of intense effort, but is he willing and are the Braves? They really d not have a history of changing hitter’s approach in the minors, probably cause it’s such a low percentage option. They might be just waiting to see if he can get it done the way he is. They didn’t dool with Thor or Hesseman or any of the other big swingers I can think of and they seem to be leaving Hicks alone and to me he is showing less promise than Cody and he’ s good bit older too. Let’s see what he does in 2010 and where.
October 17th, 200911:27 pm
Florida got lucky. Plain and simple.
October 17th, 200911:28 pm
Steve from OH -
His walk rate went way up this year from what it was at Rome, as did his ISO. So did his BB/K His defense has also (allegedly) gotten to be at least passable.
One time someone told me baseball players get better in 2 ways. 1) getting good at things they’re bad at and 2) getting better at things they’re already good at. And they told me than when 1 stops and you’re only seeing 2, a player’s development is usually complete.
I’m not ready to give up on Cody, but his single greatest limitation is his inability to make contact. Until he shows some improvement in those contact rates (which actually got worse this year), I’ll continue to be unconvinced he’ll ever make it out of AA.
October 17th, 200911:29 pm
nolie–yeah, Efrim and I were discussing the bat wrap last night, I think. We were wondering how correctable it was but apparently it’s not. Bad news on CJ considering he’s cloddy and not that great in the field…
October 17th, 200911:33 pm
PWH–in fairness, he wasn’t all that good at walking at Rome. Went from like 7% to 13% IIRC. Next year is the key, I agree, to see if he can start making more contact and stop striking out so much. If he can, it’s gravy, because he can walk and can definitely hit it into the asteroid belt…
October 17th, 200911:37 pm
Hey everyone, I went to the Arizona Fall League games last Tuesday and got video of Jason Heyward’s 2nd AB (ripped a double down the line) and of Mike Minor pitching. Here are the links:
Hope you enjoy!
October 17th, 200911:49 pm
Steve from OH,
You’re right about the walk rate. Not trying to spin everything negatively, but walks are sort of an “older player” skill, and the general trend is for them to increase as the player gets older. Though that doesn’t account for a 5.5% increase and it is nice to see.
Contact rate is what I’ve got my eye on for him in 2010. One encouraging sign, his contact rate did increase in the 2nd half, IIRC.
October 17th, 200911:50 pm
Sorry ’bout your Hokies, CB. I was most definitely rooting for them. UGH.
Is there any doubt that Bama is the best team in the country now? While they didn’t play their best tonight they never trailed. At no time this season have they looked as sloppy and one dimensional as the gators have a couple times this season already, never looked overrated, as Texas has a couple times already. And Bama has played a helluva schedule compared to both UF and UT put together.
October 17th, 200911:51 pm
Contact rate is what I’ve got my eye on for him in 2010.
Absolutely. If that doesn’t happen (and happen soon), it’s Mike Hessman territory for Cody.
October 18th, 200912:01 am
come on Angels…
October 18th, 200912:12 am
Oh that A-Rod, just not clutch, not clutch at all…
October 18th, 200912:15 am
The Angels are killin me. Geez.
October 18th, 200912:25 am
You know what bothers me. Everyone who swore he had no clutch ability is going to be talking about how he learned said ability between 2007 and now. Without even a hint of irony.
October 18th, 200912:28 am
That was pre-madonna though. I mean, obviously she changed his abilities.
October 18th, 200912:29 am
Hey do any of you have a snuggie for dogs? I mean, obviously some of you might want to change your user name to answer me but…serious question.
October 18th, 200912:44 am
Lets trade Escobar to Boston for Buchholz, Lowrie and a prospecy. Gd 1-2-3 from here on out.
October 18th, 200912:50 am
hey everybody, what up?
Hey do any of you have a snuggie for dogs?
Is that a thing?
October 18th, 200912:51 am
If I tried to put a snuggie on my dog I think she’d eat me in my sleep…
October 18th, 200912:52 am
Youkilis is about the only thing I’d trade Escobar for on Boston’s roster. Or Casey Kelly.
pw in all his non IE glory wants to be a smartass.
October 18th, 200912:54 am
October 18th, 200912:57 am
what up pwh, nice win.
October 18th, 200912:59 am
Hey do any of you have a snuggie for dogs? RHR
Holy Smokes! Do they actually make those?? If so, my dog would love that…
She likes to play dress-up.
October 18th, 20091:00 am
Yeah, uga-brave, thanks. My fingers are going to fall off, though. It was rather cold.
Nesbitt was huge. So was Allen. They virtually took Dwyer out of the game. Thomas, Allen, Nesbitt, and Jones is a nice set of weapons regardless, though.
got cold outside, cant smoke that great cigar i have. the wife will kill me if i light up inside.
October 18th, 20091:01 am
Man, Vladimir Guerrero has a sweet swing.
October 18th, 20091:03 am
JJ4NLCy suggested Magglio for Lowe. I really like the idea, actually. Maggs is owed $18 million in 2010 with a vesting/club option at $15 million for 2011. I think he’s a good bet to rebound in 2010 (Lowe is too, though), fixes the RH-power problem, and I think he’s probably an above-average defender in left. His career UZR in right is 0.0 and ~-11 of that comes from his arm.
October 18th, 20091:04 am
pwh, pretty sure you guys will be 10-1 when you play us.
should be interesting/
October 18th, 20091:07 am
OK, Maggs probably doesn’t solve the RH power problem. But it’s a nice start.
October 18th, 20091:09 am
It should be interesting. It’s never a bad game.
It’s the only game I care a lot about. I’m not a huge college football fan, but I become one when GT and UGA play.
Last year I was in Mexico during the game, but I’ll be in the stands this year.
October 18th, 20091:14 am
great cohiba. love a great cicar. pwh will see you in the flats.
October 18th, 20097:04 am
If Boston want’s Escobar, I could see Lowrie, Kelly and this 20 yr. old cuban SS. That would be a good trade for Boston and the Braves future. Escobar is a good player but he’s just not in the game at times. I’m not so sure about his age. He has no speed at all. I would not give him away if he’s available.
Rob from SC
October 18th, 20099:53 am
Any news on why Heyward was replaced
October 18th, 20099:58 am
RHR,thanks for kind remarks. I still woke up a Hokie this morning and still proud of program and school. Hey, it is a ballgame and life goes on til the next one.
October 18th, 200910:25 am
ROY CLARK was a great scouting director, maybe better than PAUL SNYDER. The BRAVOS need a maravilloso replacement. This is an area in which they have excelled for decades. Here’s hoping it continues.
October 18th, 200910:46 am
If Boston want’s Escobar, I could see Lowrie, Kelly and this 20 yr. old cuban SS. That would be a good trade for Boston and the Braves future.
Kelly and Iglesias aren’t going to help the Braves in 2010. Escobar to Lowrie is a downgrade. So, if you’re trying to win in 2010, why would they make that deal?
October 18th, 200910:49 am
Escobar is one of few Braves that another team would be interested in trading for and would bring value in return.
Until we get a solid 1B and OF, we can’t afford to lose him. Right now, the top producting players on the Braves are at C, SS, and 1B. It’s always a luxury having a hitting SS that is also an excellant fielder but you take him away and all of a sudden, unless Chipper has a great year and unless there is a great acquisition, they are possibly worse that they were towards the end of the 2008 season.
October 18th, 200910:51 am
If you missed it, here is the new scouting director for the Braves:
October 18th, 200910:56 am
Didn’t have access to the net for the past ten days.
Might as well trade McCann, Jurrjens, Hanson & Heyward with Escobar & go in a different route. Who knows if all those guys playing on he same team will be successful, so lets get another young group of players that have a better chance.
Shutup with the Yunel trades & realize no matter what player you get in return, besides a Pujols, would be his equal or a step down. Weakens the team. Just because a rumors site mentions a player doesn’t mean sh**. They make a lot of stuff up like half the people on here, they just have their own site for it.
October 18th, 200910:58 am
Why does everyone want to get rid of Escobar?
The guy is solid in the field and as a batter. He’s tall, has outstanding range, and has the fire and desire.
“They” (the media or whoever “they” is) claim he has lapses and is not always in the game??? That’s a bunch of crap. Sure, he may not run out a ground ball when he is going to be out at 1B anyway. Maybe he is taking the lead from Chipper?
Sure, he might make 1-2 semi-not so smart plays a year. So what? The guy overall is one of the best shortstops in the game.
October 18th, 200910:59 am
TONY DeMACIO – great resume. Another TOM GLAVINE and CHIP JONES would be nice.
Besides, name me another SS in the game that is better defensively than Escobar. Probably the most important defensive postion on the diamond.
October 18th, 200911:11 am
cabravesfan I will forgive you, just this once
I can’t resist a good pepperoni pizza either (although I like sausage mixed in there too)
I don’t do sausage…but pepperoni and/or tomato chunks is my paradise!
We have a “snuggie” for our Gerbil, does that count?
October 18th, 200911:12 am
What would you guys rather see happening…………..phillies winning it all or the yankees?
Of all teams I think the LAD are the weakest and if they beat the phillies and the yankees get to the WS, they will beat the heck out of the LAD.
I think the only team that can beat the yanks are the phillies, meaning that if any of those 2 teams go to the WS they will win it. And if NY plays philly, I think they will lose.
What do you guys think.
October 18th, 200911:20 am
I didn’t say give him away. Escobar is not going to win a pennant for the Braves. He’s a good player but it might give the Braves a chance to upgrade at another position. They need more power and speed. I doubt that he is traded but he gets lazy at times. He has a great arm and range but lacking in speed but we can’t have everything. Don’t get upset if he’s trade.
October 18th, 200911:23 am
Frank from KS: What kind of question is that? It’s my alma mater — I’m a fan of anything they play. But basketball is our sport, man. Always has been, always will be. You live and breathe hoops at KU, and forever after you’ve been there.
(And I say this not because the football team absolutely blew a golden opportunity last night, when Dezmon Briscoe dropped two would-be TD passes in the closing minutes of a loss against possibly the worst team in the Big 12, Colorado, thus knocking KU from the ranks of the unbeaten a week before their high-profile game against OU. Oh, well, this KU defense has been suspect for weeks, and last night they were fully exploited.)
October 18th, 200911:25 am
P.W.H — Man In Black. Johnny Cash. Just our small tribute to the great man.
I can’t believe the greed of some people. Matt Holliday is now going around telling people that he wants to play for the Yankees or the Mets next year. Yankees don’t really need him with that team they have now, so he will probably wind up a Met. Wonder if that huge field will mess up his home run totals like it did David Wright.
October 18th, 200911:27 am
<em?Why does everyone want to get rid of Escobar? — Marko
The ones who make the decisions, they don’t. So I wouldn’t fret over it, Marko.
October 18th, 200911:29 am
KeyLargo-I need for you to email me about spring training- Lewhartman@comcast.net
October 18th, 200911:34 am
BilM-It’s somewhat counter-productive to improve yourself at one position while weakening yourself at another. Yunel has a good bat, hit damned close to .300 with a fair amount of power, has plus range and a plus plus arm at shortstop. In all proability, you won’t find an improvement there, so no way it would amount to an overall improvement to trade him-providing- like someone said-you aren’t getting Prince Albert in return.
Saw this list of Fall League OPS leaders since 2005. Amazing how much two Braves prospects dominated in that league last year (Hanson and Flowers, now an ex-Braves prospect, of course),
1. Tyler Flowers, 1.433 (2008)
2. Jason Donald, 1.223 (2008)
3. Michael McKenry, 1.216 (2008)
4. Chip Cannon, 1.188 (2006)
5. Eric Duncan, 1.157 (2005)
6. Stephen Drew, 1.147 (2005)
7. Eric Young Jr., 1.144 (2008)
8. Mike Baxter, 1.129 (2008)
9. Rhyne Hughes, 1.129 (2008)
10. Casper Wells, 1.129 (2008)
October 18th, 200911:36 am
Boras is telling people not Matt or Matt is reading a Boras sound bit script.
The report on NY teams (being his 1-2 choices) came shockingly from NY Newsday. Take it with a grain of salt. The NY area reporters do this every year and Boras plays them like fiddles.
The Mets are a train wreck and need pitching and a 50% of a new team. Unless Holliday wants to pull an Texas AROD deal where he gets paid a ton to lose then I doubt it.
Also the Wilpons are nuts, the FO is a mess and they are still reeling from the Maddoff losses so don’t let their public bs fool you.
The Yankees don’t need him and if they win it all they will probably make smaller tweak moves and get some more pitching.
Boras would luv both of them to be in the mix just to crank up the price but I don’t see it.
October 18th, 200911:39 am
ozzie-How about if the Yankees signed him and traded one of their outfielders for pitching-like to the Braves? Not saying this will happen, but I could see it happening. Never count the Yankees out of spending money-ESPECIALLY if they don’t take the Series this October/Novemeber.
October 18th, 200912:13 pm
Matt Holliday is now going around telling people that he wants to play for the Yankees or the Mets
Why on earth would anyone want to play for the mets? Not just because I hate them but they are so far away from being a contender…I mean, I guess if you just want to sign with the team with the 2nd highest payroll in baseball, but you’ll be on a losing team playing in a home ballpark that will kill your numbers. Of course, I expect after what happened this year they will cave and throw in a few dozen more rows of seats to fill in the outfield. After they sign whatever starter they plan to sign, of course.
Mid Town Joe
October 18th, 200912:15 pm
What is Rock Chalk?
October 18th, 200912:20 pm
Rock Chalk Jayhawk!
I don’t know what it means but it’s catchy.
October 18th, 200912:25 pm
RHR playing in a home ballpark that will kill your numbers. Of course, I expect after what happened this year they will cave and throw in a few dozen more rows of seats to fill in the outfield.
That reminds me,I found a theme song for the 2009 Mets. It’s that Eagles song, In the City (I made a few changes, but nothing major):
Somewhere out there on that horizon
Out beyond the neon lights
I know there must be somethin’ better
But there’s nowhere else in sight
It’s survival in the Citi
When you live from day to day
City streets don’t have much pity
When you’re down, that’s where you’ll stay
In the Citi, oh, oh.
In the Citi
I play ball here in the Citi
With my back against the wall
Nothing grows, and life ain’t very pretty
No one’s there to catch you when you fall
Somewhere out on that horizon
Faraway from the neon sky
And I can’t stay another night
In the Citi oh, oh.
October 18th, 200912:40 pm
lol McFann. that’s hilarious. you are one creative fann.
October 18th, 200912:41 pm
I say, “Never say never”. We really don’t know what’s going to happen including DOB. I mean, look at the last off season! Remember that little controversy about misinformation?? No offense, but come on, let’s get read here. What is reported—especially blatant speculation like “he has a house nearby and his son is a graduate of whatever university” doesn’t fly. What is reality and what is speculated are two different things. Escobar could very well get traded. Why not?
That’s because when negotiations start, really anyone is available depending on the price. Oh sure, there are guys management would rather keep but it doesn’t mean they aren’t tradable for the right guys in return. There is a price tag for everyone.
We need more power and speed. SS, 2B, CF are logical places to install SB guys. We already have McLouth in CF so that leaves SS and 2B. Clearly, we have very little speed on this team! Honestly, we really don’t need a lot of power, my main concern is Chipper Jones and whether or not he will rebound. Getting a power hitter in LF will probably only make up for the deficit in the 3rd slot in the order. And we all know that 1) There aren’t many true line up changing power hitters and those few who may be available will probably get scooped up by the highest bidder and we all know the Braves refuse to participate in bidding wars (obviously), and 2) big power hitters cost a lot. So why not concentrate on more speed? We can only have so many so-so players in a line up and think we are going to win anything. Look at the Braves of old, the team generally had a top 10 player at nearly every position every single year. What can you say about the team now? What can you say about the team’s philosophy?
The Braves do not really need much more to be truly competitive. They finished ahead of the Cardinals in runs scored despite them having Pujols *and* Holiday! Goes to show you that it takes a full line up to score runs—not just the best player in the league and a guy who hits like there is no tomorrow.
I think if the Braves can get an effective lead off guy with some speed–maybe at 2B or SS, and get a decent power hitter for LF–doesn’t need to be a huge run producer, just someone solid–and not like LOAF, they will be okay. They will be especially good—even better my friends–if Heyward makes the team and produces like we all think he can.
A power hitter in LF, Heyward in the line up and producing, and some speed and OBP at the top of the order will more than make up for any slip by Chipper. If Chipper has a decent comeback—especially knowing that he doesn’t have to be the “big guy” any more–then the team will be very hard to beat. They can beat the Phillies for the division because the team already has the pitching–the best in the NL–if they have more offense and barring any big trades and free agent acquisitions by the Phils. The Mets just aren’t going to be competitive for awhile—even when healthy, the Marlins look like they are going to be building again, and the Nationals, well…
Barring anything freaky this coming season the team should be great. But you know, Wren did a great job bringing in guys who can at least be expected to walk out onto the field. Something can be said for simply having DEPENDABILITY! What good is having the pitcher with the best stuff—perhaps the best the majors has ever seen—if he is always injured?? That’s why the Braves have ended up with the best staff in the NL even though none of these guys are truly spectacular. They are just steady and who knows, they may end up being brilliant one day.
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