3:57 pm October 2, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 8th, 20094:57 pm
O’Brien (October 8th, 2009 4:31 pm): “DOB,
“I can understand the confusion, but O’Brien is actually my middle name.
“So you’re suggesting that if I use another screen name when asking you a question, that you’re more likely to answer?
“Oh wait, you’re not gonna answer that, are you?”
It’s like in the Navy — regardless of how many O-6s there are are on a ship, there’s only one “Captain”.
No fault of your own (except in your choice of “blognomen”), but it IS confusing.
October 8th, 20094:58 pm
DOB won the Creative Loafing award? Has RHR commented yet??
I know most people will disagree with me and I dont want to seem harsh or bitter but I feel that although Bobby Cox’s team won almost 90 games and finished 10 games over .500 I BELIEVE BOBBY COX SHOULD GET FIRED FOR HIS SUBBORNNESS. Right now the Phillies are about to play the Rockies in their first playoff game. As ridiculous as this may seem, I FEEL THAT COX SHOULD GET FIRED FOR NOT INTENTIONALLY WALKING RYAN HOWARD. Why? The Braves would be playing the Rockies right now in the playoffs as NL Eastern Division champs had Cox not blown his chance for the Braves to make the playoffs by ordering his pitchers to intentionally walk Ryan Howard. Failure to make that move cost the Braves a playoff berth and a shot at getting back to the world series. Cox decided not to do the most logical thing to do because he felt that his team can get that man out. The only problem with that stupid thinking is that no team in baseball has been able to get Howard out since Howard came into the major leagues. What makes Cox think his team is different. Its ridiculous that Cox is enjoying the prospects of getting to manage another season when in reality he should be in the unemployment line looking for another job. The managers who got fired did things certainly less stupid than what Cox did this year. Cox will never apologize to anyone and say that he was wrong and made a mistake by failing to intentionally walk Howard when ALL THE OTHER managers in baseball give Howard a free pass because they know what Howard is going to do. Cox should be brought up on charges of stupidity and I’m sure next season Cox will order his pitchers to pitch to Howard no matter what. That is the reason why I cant wait until Cox retires until we finally get someone in here who is open minded enough to manage sensibly.
October 8th, 20094:59 pm
I give up- what is the Creative Loafing award?
October 8th, 20095:02 pm
Does anyone know, who is watching the game, how Seth Smith reached on an infield single, yet Spilborghs didn’t score from third? Thanks.
Does MLBTrade Rumors have any sense at all? I’ve been pretty vocal about keeping Vazquez-even at the expense of Hudson, but Jurrjens?
Yeah, I can see the Braves trading a 23 year old pitcher with four more years of team contractual control, who has won 27 games his first two years (should have bee 20 this year for a total of 33) and finished with an ERA of 2.60. Who exactly do they think we’d get in return that would be worth that?
October 8th, 20095:04 pm
Gosh, Steve from OH (October 8th, 2009 4:39 pm), didn’t I make the exact same points in like a thousand less words at 4:32 pm?
Steve from OH
October 8th, 20095:05 pm
Well, Random, you know that you and I aren’t exactly on the same level in regards to succinctness, cleverness, or general intelligence either.
October 8th, 20095:07 pm
I see talk of trading Lowe… If Wren pulls that move off I’ll be impressed. He was on the bottom of the list of targets last year. He is the most expensive starter in the rotation… But something tells me he won’t be moved.
October 8th, 20095:11 pm
Thanks for The Cheap Shot, I really appreciate it, as a matter of fact I’m flattered…I can be a good boy when I’m not tuned up watching the games and blogging
October 8th, 20095:12 pm
Steve from OH: Great post at 4:39 p.m. You said it better than I could. Maybe we can just turn this thing over to the Steves one day and night this winter, you taking double-shift from about 8 a.m. to midnight, and Bay Area Steve handling it the rest of the way or until he’s too drunk to type?
Sounds like a damn good plan to me.
Hey DOB or anybody else, you see someone from the Detroit News saying the Tigers might possibly look into trading Granderson? Would any of our starters match up as attractive enough for them to bite? Gotta say, even Jurrjens for Granderson might be something wren should think about. No?
October 8th, 20095:16 pm
The Rockies pinch hitter had a .293 avg overall, and a .472 avg as a pinch hitter this season. How are we supposed to compete with that, when we’ve been stuck with Norton all year.
How many games would the Braves have won if we got a base hit from our pinch hitter once in a while?
I am still excited about next year though.
October 8th, 20095:18 pm
Gotta say, even Jurrjens for Granderson might be something wren should think about.
MattyRoss, I like him, but he is a career .210/.270/.344 hitter against lefties. That’s really bad.
October 8th, 20095:20 pm
If that rumor has any validity…I’d love to trade KK and Freeman for Granderson…
We already hustled the Tigers for Double J, Let’s do it again…!
October 8th, 20095:21 pm
But Double J for Granderson?
As Vince McMahon used to say “No Chance In Hell!” that happens
October 8th, 20095:23 pm
“How many games would the Braves have won if we got a base hit from our pinch hitter once in a while?”-O’Brien
Or if we had gotten key hits from Schafer, KJ, Chipper, or any one else on the roster. We definately did not get from Norton what we wanted or needed but the reason we ended up with only 86 wins is a combination of things. I think most will concur though that the main reason we are not in the playoffs this year is because of an overall lack of offense. Rest assured though, Norton should not be back, no matter what Mark Bradley wants.
Why Would the Braves trade Double J (Who the braves has under control for the next few years financially) for Granderson…?
Especially when Double J is a CY-Young award caliber pitcher…?
And Probably the best young Braves Pitcher since Glavine and Smoltz
October 8th, 20095:25 pm
Granderson for KK i’d be down. Maybe Granderson for Lowe depending on what his contract is like. But we can’t get too crazy to get him given his terrible batting average.
October 8th, 20095:26 pm
Right-handed power hitter, folks. RIGHT-handed.
Did someone really suggest Jurrjens for Granderson? You must be joking. Even if the Braves were looking for yet another lefty hitter for their lineup, Jurrjens for Granderson? Come on. A 23-year-old potential No. 1 starter for Granderson? What, do you feel sorry for the Tigers for losing him in a trade for Renteria and want to return him to his rightful owner?
A disproportionate amount of passion is directed toward/against Kelly Johnson on this blog, but, to succumb to the disease, I will add my 2 cents. If he can be had for a reasonable price of less than or equal to 4 million/1 year, he would have value for the team. With Chipper missing 25 or more games per year and declining in his productivity, the need for 2 infield reserves is apparent. Yunel also has missed time during this year when we had to go a week or more with D. Hernandez at ss. The Braves have come up short in the post-season (and the season this year?) because of a lack of bench and bullpen depth/strength. As presently constituted, the Braves would have a bench of Ross, Infante, Church, and KJ+ 1 more. If Chipper misses significant time or one of the other infielders is injured, we would only have KJ in reserve from that group. The love for the cheaper Conrad neglects the fact that he is a 29-year old career minor leaguer that went 0 for his last 20 ABs. He is likely another ORR/(I’m blocking the name of the horrible reserve infielder that we had 2 years ago) in the offing. If KJ is cut or traded we would have to replace him with another infielder of equal or greater value which means of equal or greater cost. I also think that Church is a much more productive player than the Brandon Jones etc. “equivalent” that others have suggested. Cutting our payroll by weakening the bench is going to get us minimal payroll relief at a substantial cost to our team competetiveness.
October 8th, 20095:27 pm
Not to pile on poor Norton, but does anyone have his VORP for 2007, 2008 and 2009? I imagine they are small numbers right? But 2009 would have to be one of the most negative per at bat in the history of the game right?
October 8th, 20095:31 pm
I think most are assuming Anderson won’t be back. I think he won’t either for both offensive and defensive reasons. Probably will be back in the AL given they have the DH but I wonder if he would at all consider filling the role that Norton did with a little more PT or would he probably be to expensive for that role? I wonder where will they go to fill that void on the bench that Norton will leave. Not a priority compared to other things we need but just something i’ve thought of.
October 8th, 20095:32 pm
ugqaccountant-I think Norton has a negative VORP-IF he has any VORP at all. His BABIP fluctuated way too much.
October 8th, 20095:36 pm
I can’t find it for this year, but Norton’s VORP for 2008 with us was 6.
Gosh, he even has a picture that screams “I suck”
October 8th, 20095:42 pm
Somebody stated the other day that Anderson had a minus 3.5mil value on one of these stats. You know you have to be a pretty bad player to have that kind of negative value.
October 8th, 20095:48 pm
Philly keeps coming Back…This Team just doesn’t give up, especially in that bandbox!
October 8th, 20095:49 pm
Right-handed power hitter, folks. RIGHT-handed
That may be their goal and hope, but I would imagine that it is flexible if a prime deal became available… Not that Ganderson is the guy that would prod Wren to change his focus… and not that a lefthanded power bat of that magnitude is available… Look, all I’m saying is, maybe this post I’m typing is pointless.
October 8th, 20095:50 pm
Greg Norton’s 2009 VORP was -5.5. For the Braves this trails only Diory Hernandez (-9.9) and……Jeff Francoeur (-8.1).
October 8th, 20095:55 pm
Here’s my thoughts on this whole power bat/kelly johnson/trade a SP pitcher thing.
I think Wren tries to trade Lowe this offseason. I think we keep Javier Vasquez, and try to trade Lowe for the reasons about Lowe’s salary that DOB mentioned last week (he doesn’t really make that much and there aren’t a lot of SP free agents this offseason). In the meantime, Hudson restructures his contract to stay here longer and so the Braves don’t have to pay him $15 mil next season.
About KJ: Cox already mentioned they’d like to have him back. So has TP. Total propaganda. However, Cox also mentioned having Martin play RF. This is the way I see it: Martin starts in RF next year until Heyward is ready. The Braves like to stagger their contracts and arbitration among young guys. Therefore, Heyward starts the year in AAA, and sits there until his arb clock can be delayed. In the meantime, KJ starts at 2nd to raise his trade value, in which he will be traded for relief pitching, moving Martin back to 2nd.
One of Gonzalez or Soriano will not be back.
That’s my idea anyway on how this will all shake out. Should I start with the Nelson Cruz thing again this winter?
DOB,when would you think they would announce a 2010 spring training schedule?
October 8th, 20096:00 pm
What is the rule about trading a player after they accept arbitration? Is there any kind of time limit the team must respect? I only ask because I wonder if it would be an option to offer both Soriano and Gonzalez arbitration in order to assure that you will get draft picks should they leave, and then trade one of the two if they both accept. The team wouldn’t really need to get anything of value in return, just move the contract so that they aren’t stuck paying over $10 million to 2 relief pitchers.
October 8th, 20096:04 pm
I agree with you in that I think the Braves will try and trade Derek Lowe. He is durable, will win 15 games and pitch 200 innings.
However, I dont think they bring Kelly back . Kelly will make about $3.5 mil, and if he struggles at 2B next season, then he will have very little trade value. I think they’ll try and trade Kelly this offseason.
I think the Braves will go after a power hitter for LF, and let Matt Diaz play RF until Heyward is ready.
October 8th, 20096:08 pm
Who would want Derek Lowe????? Kinda of tough to trade him.
October 8th, 20096:10 pm
Bobby’s–No way that Prado goes to RF and Kelly to 2B, in my mind. 2B is Marteen’s for the time being (or, until I come up with a foolproof way to keep Kelly on the team!). I do agree that someone will hold RF until Heyward comes, but I think that someone will be Diaz.
October 8th, 20096:13 pm
I’ve been reading some of the “trade Lowe” stuff, and I even saw Law and some other writer (Olney?) write it, but I have a hard time seeing how some team would be willing to take him on. I don’t think Law would’ve written that without thinking it was possible, so I’m probably wrong. We’ll see.
October 8th, 20096:16 pm
P. W. Hjort…
“Conrad is a cheaper alternative off the bench, and better defensively.
That’s probably wrong. Ever scouting report of Conrad suggests he has an iron glove.”
You’ve got me on that one.
October 8th, 20096:17 pm
Geez. Robert, meet Paul Lentz. Paul Lentz, meet Robert.
October 8th, 20096:20 pm
Steve from OH,I think it will take a contract similar to Lowe’s to make a trade for him,a Carlos Lee type contract or a total salary dump.
October 8th, 20096:21 pm
Steve from OH… LOwe delivered 15 wins and nearly 200 innings. ERA was high, but over Lowe’s career, it seems to bounce around.
I’d have to believe that Lowe would be attractive to teams that expect to be in contention next year. What they have to offer, or are willing to offer, for Lowe is another story.
From the latest Sheehan chat:
“paulbellows (Calgary): Jurrjens + Kelly Johnson for Adam Dunn?
Mr. Rizzo, leave me alone. I’m on board with trading Jurrjens because he’ll being back the kind of player the Braves need, and I don’t expect Lowe, Hudson or Vazquez to produce that kind of return. But let’s not get silly.”
October 8th, 20096:24 pm
JeffR–I hear ya, I really do. Some of his more in-depth statistics suggest that he was much better this year than his ERA showed. But, I just don’t see how a team is gonna take on his contract at his age coming off that kind of season (even if they do look deeper, the superficial stats carry weight with a lot of folks), you know?
Maybe, like CB said, we’ll swap contracts with someone, but who? I don’t know if I’d take Lee back or not. I’d need to do some digging on him and I’m about to leave, so…
I cant believe that with so many looking for power hitting OF that no one has mentioned Jake Fox from the Cubs. Not a LOT of ML experience but delvered pretty darn good. Look at his power numbers in the minors the lawst two years…(was brought up the bigs this year). He played OF, 3rd, 1st and even caught a little this year. Think he cubs wouldnt want some pitching (what club doesnt?) The ball flies out frequently in Wrigley, right? Maybe the cubs would like to have a pitcjer who is known for getting groundball outs……ring any bells? Maybe bothe clubs could throw in in a player or 2 in the deal. Could turn out good for both clubs. Maybe get rid of heavy payroll money for the braves. PS…to those who think Chipper is trade bait…….hes not going anywhere unless he decides to retire.
October 8th, 20096:31 pm
Steve from OH… Yeah, I hear you to some extent. But, hey, Lowe produced what he was signed to do. He is, by and large, reliable.
And from what I understand, Lowe keeps himself in great shape. Certainly, it’s no given that a pitcher in his late thirties will maintain his health and effectiveness. That was one of my concerns signing him last winter.
But he doesn’t seem worse the wear. And the contract isn’t necessarily prohibative for teams that need one more capable starter to keep or push them into contention.
Should be interesting to see what Wren is offered if he shops Lowe.
October 8th, 20096:32 pm
How about trading Derek Lowe for Carlos Guillen. Both have down years, one is a hitter, one is a starting pitcher. Guillen has good reason to have a good bounce bak year, and Derek Lowe has had a great career, he is a sinkerball pitcher so he shouldn’t be slowing down. He had a 5.42ERA in 2004, bounce back and had a 3.64ERA. He has a 3.84ERA career ERA.
He had 21 quality starts this year, won 15 games and it was a down year.
He had 3 starts in interleague play. Had 1 quality start. Boston, Baltimore, and the Yankees. Not exactly very cozy lineups.
He is a big game pitcher, or at least has been throughout his career. Is that enough to get the tigers interested?
October 8th, 20096:34 pm
Steve – its an interesting day because I agree with just about everything you have posted today. Maybe there is hope for us.
My take. Prado will play second from day one. He is a plus hitter at second and an average hitter in the OF or at a corner. The talk about Kelly is posturing. He will be traded or nontendered. The only way KJ is on the team is if Wren strikes out at 1b and Martin starts the season there.
Wren will try to trade Lowe but I will be shocked if he is successful. Lowe was worth about 12 mil last year coming of a career year. If he can’t move him he will try to trade KK who does have value. He only makes 6.6 since his bonus has been paid up front.
I believe he will try to extend hudson at 3 years for 27 mil. Vazquez 2 more years after 2010 for another 23 mil.
Needs an outfielder that can play a corner spot to go with Diaz, McLouth and Heyward.that outfielder needs to hit 25 -30 dingers.
Will get some relief help and a 1b (hopefully LaRoche).
Instant playoffs. That was not so hard.
October 8th, 20096:39 pm
glord1, you just described Carlos Lee, if you could get Houston to agree to it. He has 3 more years at 18.5mil, if you could get Houston to split the difference.
October 8th, 20096:43 pm
Lee can really hit. Man would I love to see his bat in the lineup. Unfortunately his next stop after Houston will be in the AL. It would be hard to watch a worse LF than GA in Left next year.
I have heard a scout say the best thing about his defense is. ” He sure can hit”.
October 8th, 20096:46 pm
The Tigers rotation is 1.Justin Verlander 2.Rick Porcello 3. Jeremy Bonderman(has been Mark Prior like last few years) 4. Eddie Bonine? 5. Zack Minor?
There’s basicly 3 question marks. Derek Lowe is as healthy as it is, and would be a better option than the last three guys in the Tigers rotation. It MIGHT, be possible to work out a deal with the Tigers.
October 8th, 20097:07 pm
Matt Diaz is not a RF and he is not a power hitter if we had to throw matty in a package to get that power hitting right handed hitter i would do it
October 8th, 20097:10 pm
How about Kawakami for Mat Gamel?
October 8th, 20097:11 pm
For the record I was NOT saying trading JJ for Granderson would be an even deal. I was guessing that the Tigers would have to be blown away by an offer. The writer from the Detroit paper said something to the effect of “If anyone would have to be overpaid for, it might be Granderson.” On paper it’d be a bad move, but the resulting effect on the lineup would be huge. You can’t really deny that an OF with McLouth/Granderson/and Heyward-Diaz would be fierce, plus the sturdy rotation. Yes, it would be a huge hit, not even one that I was suggesting necessarily. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money, as it were. Jeez, folks.
October 8th, 20097:12 pm
Diaz may not be a power hitter but he was 22nd in the NL in OPS had he received a few more ABs and qualified. We could do worse until June when JH arrives.
October 8th, 20097:16 pm
why would we want carlos guillen i would rather just give up low on salary dump than take on carlos guillen
October 8th, 20097:17 pm
Matt Diaz is a very good hitter its just all the runs he would cost us playing RF from April to June with the puny arm of his
October 8th, 20097:19 pm
Granderson is just another Nate we dont need him either
Miguel Cabera, anyone? You would need an inventive GM for that one.
October 8th, 20097:22 pm
Okay so here are some options to be in the Braves next year: Mike Cameron, Miguel Tejada, Matt Gamel, Magglio Ordoñez, Dan Uggla(if he can play 1B),and Carlos Guillen
October 8th, 20097:23 pm
Bravito, yeah we don’t need 30 homers. My bad.
October 8th, 20097:25 pm
I would do a Magglio and a prospect for D Lowe. The Braves would only have to pay Magglio 18 million for next year and the Tigers could take on Lowe’s contract
October 8th, 20097:27 pm
Yes 30 homers are nice but his .167 avg against lefties is atrocious we need a right handed hitter
October 8th, 20097:30 pm
Would you guys trade schafer and medlen for B.J. Upton?
October 8th, 20097:33 pm
I know, right? I mean, who was a more Creative Loaf than me? I’m miffed, I’ll tell you that right now.
October 8th, 20097:35 pm
Well I was thinking someone else was more appropriate, but okay.
October 8th, 20097:38 pm
Somebody stated the other day that Anderson had a minus 3.5mil value on one of these stats. You know you have to be a pretty bad player to have that kind of negative value.
Really!? But those sites say KJ is “worth” 4 million? Uh. So they don’t watch much baseball, I take it. They must just come up with those figures based on…age? And September 2008 production?
October 8th, 20097:40 pm
But, I just don’t see how a team is gonna take on his contract at his age coming off that kind of season (even if they do look deeper, the superficial stats carry weight with a lot of folks), you know?
Steve from OH, I think it would have to be a team desperate for innings. And the Braves are going to have to pick up some salary in the process, or take another contract of some sort, whether it was bad or not. A straight salary dump for a couple of low level prospects isn’t going to bring a taker, not to mention, I don’t think the Braves would want to do that even considering Lowe’s performance. Maybe Lowe for a reliever who was making a decent chunk of change?
October 8th, 20097:44 pm
D.Lowe for Kerry Wood?
October 8th, 20097:45 pm
D.Lowe for Francisco Cordero?
October 8th, 20097:46 pm
D. Lowe for Bobby Jenks?
October 8th, 20097:50 pm
No, Indians don’t want to take on that much salary.
Maybe, but do the Reds want to take on that much salary? They already have a lot of money invested in Arroyo and Harang.
Maybe, but they already have Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Buerhle, and Garcia/Hudson for that 5th starters spot. It’s possible, I guess. But not likely, imo.
You cannot be serious. Go to your room while the grownups are talking.
October 8th, 20097:57 pm
There is no reliever that would be traded for D.Lowe.
October 8th, 20098:04 pm
D.Lowe for half the cast of Friends?
October 8th, 20098:08 pm
D.Lowe for a month of free maid service?
October 8th, 20098:09 pm
D.Lowe to Philly for Cheesesteaks at Turner Field?
October 8th, 20098:11 pm
Oh I’ve got it…
D.Lowe for that AT&T family where nobody cares about their old minutes except for the mom.
October 8th, 20098:12 pm
D. Lowe, Jurrjens, and Hanson for Granderson? I’m telling you guys HE IS THE ANSWER!
October 8th, 20098:14 pm
jeffrey d – you’d probably only get LeBlanc, Kudrow and Schwimmer…maybe Gunther as a throw-in…
October 8th, 20098:16 pm
And think about NBC’s end of the deal….they’d have to replace that coffee house couch once a week because it’d continually be ruined by sweat.
October 8th, 20098:18 pm
Go to your room while the grownups are talking.
He can’t, you left him in that box on 431.
October 8th, 20098:20 pm
K-rod for D.lowe
October 8th, 20098:45 pm
Are the Cards about to put Smoltz in try to finish this game?
October 8th, 20098:49 pm
Co-Sign, I think the Veterans of the Blog are taking a break…
I’m pretty sure you have noticed that I’ve been Way more Mellow since I gave up on the Braves after we got swept by the AAA Reds…There were games during the middle of the season that D.O.B. had to settle me down when I had my BF’s during winnable games that we lost.
And BTW where is Lentz and Mitchell at…?
I’m free and Cqleer now…
October 8th, 20098:53 pm
As Much I used to Lust about Manny wearing a braves Uniform…I guess Now I’m glad that he has never worn a Braves uni. The Dude Flat out Sucks since he got off HGH/Steroids, especially for 25 mil
If Manny was in Atlanta he’d Be Hated by everyone, not just the conservative braves fans who used to hate on Deion and Justice…
TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)
October 8th, 20098:58 pm
What, no HOF Smoltz to come in & whiff the Dodgers out of game 1? That’s kinda funny.
October 8th, 20098:59 pm
Whew. Cards are going with Franklin.
NEW BLOGGAGE, at long last. My apologies.
Oh, hell, what am I apologizing for?
Please try my product.
October 8th, 20099:00 pm
I just knew Smoltz was going to come in and blow this game. It would be the icing on the cake to the kind of season he has.
October 8th, 20099:08 pm
Wainwright looked good. I hope Frank Wren does not make those kinds of trades (trading Wainwright for a 1 year rental of JD Drew, trading 5 prospects for 1 1/2 seasons of Tex).
It would be nice if we can trade Lowe. But we need to also look at other scenarios where Lowe stays. 3 of those scenarios are:
1) Trade Vazquez for a big bat
2) Let Hudson go, and use his salary to sign a big bat
3) Trade KK and another piece for a (medium) bat
October 8th, 200910:00 pm
Steve from OH (October 8th, 2009 5:05 pm): “Well, you know that you and I aren’t exactly on the same level in regards to succinctness, cleverness, or general intelligence either.”
Well, of course not.
But won’t you at least give me some credit for trying attain your heights?
Gimme an “A” for Effort?
(And also for Acknowledging my Errors, like so:
“. . . in like a thousand fewer words . . . “)
PS: I’ve got a confession to make . . . . .
October 9th, 200912:23 pm
The Braves have a golden opportunity to upgrate their team substantially by attempting one or more of the following three moves: (1) go up to Mt. Carmel and sign a capable big bat; (2) attempt to sign either Juan Pierre; Gary Sheffield; Carolos Delgago or Prince Fielder as your BIG BAT in the middle of the lineup; or (3) deactivate someone on the cusp of losing their job and replace that person with either Infante, Church or Jayson Heyward
October 9th, 20091:05 pm
Chuck Tanner should be brought back as manager of the Braves after Bobby Cox retires. Chuck has had a glorious, illustrious career winning a title in 1979 with the “We are Family” Pittsburgh Pirates crew. Chuck would bring life to an organization that is on life support.
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Are u them two boys who were .......?
October 14th, 20092:55 pm
Watching the braves this year was like watching paint dry. Catch my drift?
October 14th, 20099:48 pm
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October 18th, 20099:10 pm
could uggla play lg?? better question could loaf?? HAHAH
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