3:57 pm October 2, 2009, by David O'Brien
October 7th, 20098:03 pm
OK…but I was talking about defense…
Roman Gal If I’m gonna keep pluggin’ my school, I think they ought to start paying me…
They really should.
Marcus Giles arrested for spousal abuse….http://www.760kfmb.com/Global/story.asp?S=11277089
October 7th, 20098:10 pm
Rob from SC
October 7th, 20098:20 pm
according to Mlbtraderumors, Mat Gamel is available
October 7th, 20098:25 pm
I’m a fan of that campus, I used to run there rather frequently. PWJHort
It’s the best campus in the world!! No joke or hyperbole or whatever.
October 7th, 20098:27 pm
Heard my BBQ exorcist is now attending a certain Rome College. The gal he exorcized musta flipped-out after Cave Spring’s Barbecuepalooza. Shamus
Is that what happened? I always just thought she had indigestion…guess I was right.
October 7th, 20098:28 pm
Is Random a real person or a bot that runs on the ajc blogs to uncover incongruities with annoying precision?
Excellent post wjones.
Really? Actually don’t where Roman Gal goes…or where Shorter is, either
Its in Rome. The city in north west georgia, not the one in Italy. Roman Gal. Get it?
Gwinnett Collge….is called OTP college or something.
October 7th, 20098:30 pm
Jeff’s unassisted triple play was just mentioned on some sitcom thats on in the other room LOL
October 7th, 20098:34 pm
There needs to be a salary cap in baseball. Without one, more times than not we’re gonna see the best teams money can buy win it all. IF the economy worsens even more, that’ll become even more the case, as the game’s greatest players sign in the few places they can still command mega-bucks. Pretty much that way now.
Course I’d be saying none of this if Ted were still owner, or Arthur were on-board. That makes me some kinda hypocrite don’t it?
October 7th, 20098:35 pm
miss the braves and miss new bloggage. it’s a valuable service you and carroll provide here, dob.
just saw on mlbtraderumors that the brewers might be willing to trade mat gamel. how would the resident contributors/interweb GMs here feel about sending vazquez to milwaukee for gamel and letting him play first (or moving chipper over, if he were willing or able)? he’d provide a nice segue when chipper hangs ‘em up and freeman’s ready to make the big club. we’d have an awfully young, reasonably priced, and respectable lineup, especially around the infield.
P. W. Hjort
October 7th, 20098:36 pm
It’s the best campus in the world!! No joke or hyperbole or whatever.
Pretty much. It also used to be (not sure if it still is) the largest by area.
October 7th, 20098:41 pm
Roman Gal Its in Rome. The city in north west georgia, not the one in Italy. Roman Gal. Get it?
Yeah, I get it…
I was thinking of GGC–Georgia Gwinnett College.
Dang, Posada has two PBs in this game, and CC just threw a WP. They’re all over the place…
October 7th, 20098:42 pm
Still is PW.
I’ve taken thousands of photos at Berry. It’s heaven for any nature, landscape, wildlife, architecture, fall foliage, historic-places, photographer. Not a bad school either…
October 7th, 20098:44 pm
Busy at work, but wanted to post my predictions:
Phillies over Rockies in 4
Cardinals over Dodgers in 5
Yankees over Twins in 4
Red Sox over Angels in 4
NLCS – Phillies over Cards in 6
ALCS – Red Sox over Yanks in 7
World Series – Red Sox over Phillies in 6
October 7th, 20098:45 pm
how would the resident contributors/interweb GMs here feel about sending vazquez to milwaukee for gamel and letting him play first (or moving chipper over, if he were willing or able)?
I think you’d need a lot more than that for Vazquez. Plus, Gamel is awful defensively. His place is in the AL.
October 7th, 20098:47 pm
Thanks, Chin Music.
BravesfaninWisc: Too early for those questions. They literally haven’t even had their organization meetings to really discuss who’s available and what direction they might go. That’s next week in Orlando, Tuesday through Friday. And no, media’s not invited to those meetings….
Just got home with new computer. Damn, when you’re used to Mac, these PCs take some readjusting. And I was so accustomed to doing everything on the other one, that each task now takes five times as long, it seems.
Anyway, had a couple of training classes today, got the new laptop, and will get a new blog up tomorrow. Thanks for your patience and continued patronage. Some good stuff on here the past few days, considering the circumstances.
October 7th, 20098:49 pm
October 7th, 2009
And BTW? Why Is everyone o here asking D.O.B. questions on what the braves will do in the offseason when the playoffs just began?
Players haven’t even filed for free agency and people are coming out with all kinds of trade proposals and sceneraions, etc.
Patience People, let’s wait for everything to fallout amongst other teams before we start talking trades and F.A. signings! Cheesewhiz!
Just because the playoffs just started doesn’t mean that people like DOB don’t have inside information on what is going on.. Also, the Braves have the right to work out deals with guys like Hudson and LaRoche because they are still under contract to the Braves..
October 7th, 20098:50 pm
It also used to be (not sure if it still is) the largest by area. PWH
It is. 26,000 acres. I heard that somewhere in Europe they’re building a 27,000 acre campus. I don’t know if that’s true or not, though.
Not a bad school either… Shamus
Hah! Understatement…although, they could work on their BBQ quality. Maybe you should come and teach the chefs a thing or two about good ‘que.
Thanks DOB.. Now you will let us know if you find out any rumors right?
October 7th, 20098:55 pm
Thanks DOB.. Now you will let us know if you find out any rumors right? BravesfaninWis
I’m sure he will…
….after checking with Tim Hudson.
October 7th, 20098:56 pm
DOB when you’re used to Mac, these PCs take some readjusting.
That would really stink.
October 7th, 20098:58 pm
Is it possible the Braves would now be in the playoffs if they had been able to pull off the deal for Swisher and bat him fourth between Chipper and McCann?
October 7th, 20099:03 pm
Do the Yankees even have a need, like anywhere?
October 7th, 20099:04 pm
I know. I was making a comment that had nothing to do with yours……….sorry………I most have confused you.
October 7th, 20099:09 pm
Roman Gal: Maybe you should come and teach the chefs a thing or two about good ‘que.”"
Great idea Roman Gal, but I’d never do anything to overshadow Ms Berry. In no time it would be the Shamus Thacker School of Pork Butt Smokery. Hillbillies the world over (Tibetan Monks included)would come for my teachings. They’d put academics on the back-burner for a few years to blaze the cullinarycue universe with yours truly! And it would really be sad to see all those signs changed to Shamus Thacker Pork Butt Highway… Just couldn’t do it RG…
I’d be the guest barbecuist anytime though; no kidding…
October 7th, 20099:11 pm
Shamus Thacker Pork Butt Highway
That is just funny.
If there’s one thing I love to do, it’s BBQ. Long as I get my disproportionate share… lol
October 7th, 20099:19 pm
Considering how bad Norton’s season was, this has got to surprise you all as much as it did me: Norton tied Matt Franco’s major-league record of 20 pinch-hit walks in one season.
October 7th, 20099:25 pm
Folks have actually asked why I’ve never opened a BBQ joint. First, anything so much fun would surely rate a trip to Hell. Secondly, it would become a job, not a hobby. The day it became I job, I’d start hating on pork butts. If that ever came to pass, I’d ring Doctor K for a bon voyage…
October 7th, 20099:26 pm
Il Cattivo (October 7th, 2009 6:14 pm): “Dude,
“I knew you were up to something like this when it took you so long to respond.”
Actually, I was working. At work. Where I work, and do not surf the net. Ever.
I didn’t consider any response necessary until I saw ’s 5:01 and figured, yeah, I should show some appreciation. I knew we had had some exchages and dug one out — just happened to stumble across that classic bit of early Schafer/Norton optimism. (My, how we’ve grown — now we’re just bitter and disillusioned when it comes to those two. (Yes, I exaggerate.))
So, what — 10-15 minutes elapsed time. ‘Cause I was workin’ at work.
(And I’ve only just now completed my commute — aaahhh, safe at home.)
It would be fun for about a week, BTW…
October 7th, 20099:29 pm
” . . . until I saw Mike S’s 5:01 . . . “
October 7th, 20099:35 pm
And it would really be sad to see all those signs changed to Shamus Thacker Pork Butt Highway… Shamus
4/10 miles to Shamus Thacker Pork Butt Highway.
DOB: Norton tied Matt Franco’s major-league record of 20 pinch-hit walks in one season.”"
I’ll bet they’re working overtime on a HOF statue! Maybe even a plaza or courtyard in his name!
Oh, that’s OK. No sweat!
October 7th, 20099:38 pm
Well – go ahead , say it, I’m not exactly “Coach” and I’m not proud of it either.
Thought i’d give Logan a chance. Actually if you looked at blogs in May, I’ll admit, (its only a matter of time before you find it anyway) that I even supported KJ for a bit. I’m a sucker for losers.
BTW what is mio collega (my colleague?). I’m not really italian, just pretentious.
October 7th, 20099:41 pm
Glad for ya RG, GREAT, GREAT, place to be!
This Yankee-Twins game has seemed deathly dull. Amazing how much buzz there was for the Twins-Tigers “play-in” game, by comparison.
Ron Darling? What are you guys thinking of his work tonight? Because I gotta say, he could use some caffeine before game 2.
October 7th, 20099:44 pm
Chin Music….never seen your moniker here before but, welcome. Having said that your 8:35 leaves me speechless. or blogless or whatever.
October 7th, 20099:45 pm
I thought Ron Darling was very near unbearable. He was neither insightful nor funny, and I’m pretty sure he thought all the Yankees were Derek Jeter because that is the only name I kept hearing.
October 7th, 20099:46 pm
Randy Wolf in the sh!t already…
October 7th, 20099:49 pm
- circus music -
October 7th, 20099:51 pm
Damn you post eater…
Mets 4 Life
October 7th, 200910:04 pm
I think he’s great.
October 7th, 200910:05 pm
October 7th, 200910:07 pm
GREAT, GREAT, place to be! Shamus
I agree. Although, they really should start paying me for this positive pub…especially after this exorcism fiasco!
October 7th, 200910:10 pm
Ron Darling…isn’t he an umpire?
October 7th, 200910:12 pm
DOB, the Yanks-Twins games was boring, switched over to the Cards-Dodgers as soon as it was on. Saw snippets of the phils-rocks game. That wind was playing some tricks with the ball there. Wish I could have seen more of that one live but that start time is just horrible.
I don’t know about Ron Darling but seriously, what else is there new to hear about the Yankees. Espn and all the other national tv sportcast fill you in on every little thing that has to do with the yankees. There’s nothing new there. It was a long game but most of the scoring was done by the Yanks. No real drama and back and forth like the play-in game last night. That game last night was good, most would be a letdown after that one.
October 7th, 200910:23 pm
Phillies and Yankees games were boring because we all knew which teams were gonna win. Hard to broadcast games like that.Things wont change until those underdogs show they deserve to be here.
October 7th, 200910:26 pm
Now playing on Ron Darling’s ipod. “Careless Whisper”, Wham!.
(It was extremely difficult to type that song.)
October 7th, 200910:49 pm
October 7th, 200910:53 pm
Steve from OH (October 7th, 2009 4:49 pm): ” ‘Hope he and the braves make the right decision’ [Doc Holiday]
“That decision is entirely up to the Braves…”
Well, no — Johnson and the Braves could agree on a contract before the Braves make their decision whether to either offer him arbitration or “non-tender” him.
Minimum value would be 80% of his current salary, which comes to a little under $2.3M.
Would $2.3M be enough for Johnson? It’s probably more than he would get as a released FA. If he convinces himself that the Braves would take him to arbitration, he may hold out for more and end up with nothing but his release.
Would $2.3M be too much for the Braves? Hard to say — maybe not.
Imo, it’s currently a toss-up between the Braves signing him for around 2.3M — 2.5M (with incentives) and releasing him.
I don’t think the Braves will go to arbitration with him (unless they already have a trade worked out — this is a 3rd, albeit unlikely, option).
Steve from OH
October 7th, 200910:54 pm
Yeah…just think, what with being home schooled all my life, I’d do better at a smaller school. It’s not that I’m “afraid of people”, but ya know…first time with the whole “public” school thing…
Yeah, I hear ya on that one. I went to a public school and loved it, and I thought that it gave me a great education as well. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I felt like there were a lot more good research opportunities there if you’re into that kind of thing. Plus, it’s way cheaper, if you’re a cheapskate like me (now when I look at my tuition bill, I cry inside)! I suppose it just depends what your priorities are–I know that at times I would’ve really enjoyed certain aspects of having a smaller student body–but then again, more students, more resources to use that come in handy as well.
That’s my rambling, incoherent, uninformed speech on college. They done taughted me good there.
October 7th, 200910:57 pm
Ah yes, my friend, that is your much-proposed way to keep KJ on the club. However, Kelly could not agree to such a deal and the Braves could offer arb anyway. Or the Braves could just not offer it. Like I said, in the end, the Braves have the say. But I hope they can manage to follow your suggestion, because Kelly will be an asset for us next year.
October 7th, 200911:03 pm
LOL! Line of the day. Very funny, my man.
P.S.–tell Random to dumb it down for the rest of us mere mortals in the audience.
October 7th, 200911:09 pm
(now when I look at my tuition bill, I cry inside) Steve from OH
All you need to do is go win the lottery. That’ll cure all your monetary ills!
October 7th, 200911:11 pm
That’ll cure all your monetary ills!
Technically, I currently don’t have any monetary ills, but I will have…a lot…
October 7th, 200911:16 pm
DOB, I’m with you on Darling. I live in NY so I watch a lot of Mets games and usually I find him to be pretty insightful and an overall good analyst. Tonight was a different story.
October 7th, 200911:20 pm
An important thing to remember is that small schools generally offer less courses and support fewer majors. Just make sure the schools you apply to support your interests (granted, they will probably change after 1-2 years of college).
I went to a small liberal arts school, and for me, it was a mistake given how my interests developed over my undergraduate years. That’s the advantage of a larger school – you usually get more choices in what to major in (and more professors to choose from).
The flip side to that is you get more teacher-student interaction at a small school (especially during the first couple years when you take a bunch of core classes).
October 7th, 200911:21 pm
Technically, I currently don’t have any monetary ills…
Me neither…unless you count being a poor college student. But thank goodness for HOPE and other nifty scholarships!
You want to be a doctor, right? If so, you might like this song…
October 7th, 200911:27 pm
Jeter = winner
Chipper = loser
October 7th, 200911:33 pm
Ron Darling and Tino Martinez have about the same bland enthusiasm as turtle climbing up hill.
Greg in TN
McFann: My advice is go to college where you most feel comfortable going. I went the Community College route myself coming out of high school, and it made the transition easier. I don’t know that I would have been nearly as successful going right into UT from the start without those first *ahem* few years at a CC.
Anders: I think that’s a benefit of having a franchise and it’s minor league affiliates in the same region of the country. Makes it easier for me, at least. I think the Mets made a wise move when they shifted AAA from New Orleans to Buffalo. You can’t always have your AAA or AA affiliates as close as you like, but as a fan, when everybody is relatively close, it makes it easier to get out and see the young folks.
Roman Gal: I saw an article on Mississippi’s website on Ingram today. Many minor league teams that have broadcast coverage have one man booths. I’ll definitely be sure to catch him next time I’m able to do so. The Smokies had a really solid guy in the booth named Tom Hart, who moved on to the CBS College Sports Network a few years back. Do you know who did Rome games this past season? I know Skip’s other son Josh was doing the games at one point.
Efrim: My predictions for the post-season match yours in the division series except I have the Angels over the Red Sox in 5 and I have the Dodgers over the Cardinals in 4. In the NLCS, I have the Dodgers over the Phillies in 6 and in the ALCS I have the Yankees beating the Angels in 7. In the Series, I’ll take the Yankees in 6 (as much as I hate to say that).
TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)
October 7th, 200911:37 pm
Jeter = on team throughout his career that every single offseason backs the truck up full of cash & tells the GM to get whoever & whatever the fu** he wants.
Chipper = on a team that runs a very tight budget & always has since the billionaire Turner sold the team.
You know, ignorants like you just make the world go round.
Do you know who did Rome games this past season?
No, I only remember Ben Ingram’s name because I like him so much and I’ve listened to so many Miss. games.
October 7th, 200911:40 pm
Wow. I got a solicitation in the mail today from the US winter olympics committee. Has anyone ever gotten one of those before? We donate to many different organizations and have for years and because of that I have at least one solicitation for some cause or scholarship in my mailbox every day but this is certainly a first. A form letter from an ice skater and 2010 winter olympic hopeful asking me for a donation. I mean….I was a little put off by it, to be honest.
October 7th, 200911:41 pm
N8, Tino Martinez sounds exactly like Vera De Milo from In Living Color. You know, the he/she Jim Carey did?
October 7th, 200911:54 pm
So how much did you donate?
October 8th, 200912:03 am
N8 (October 7th, 2009 5:28 pm): “But those that were paying attention can attest that last February I was already griping that we had too many starting pitchers and shouldn’t have stuck with Francoeur. But what do I know, right?”
I was paying attention.
But if I recall correctly, you were counting Glavine as part of that surplus, not Hudson.
October 8th, 200912:06 am
Haha winterville. That would be zero. I admire olympians for sure, but they willingly go into that life knowing full well the expense…or their parents do at least. I’ll be rooting for them but that’s all I got for them.
October 8th, 200912:07 am
Rock On… not quite sure why i left you blogless. maybe i should have been clear that i didn’t mean vazquez for gamel, straight up, but gamel would be the biggest piece in the deal for the braves. i don’t know how much one year of javier vazquez (who was absolutely fantastic, uncharacteristically fantastic even, this year) is worth on the trade market, but i think the braves would be selling high on him, the brewers not selling super-high on gamel after this past year’s performance. i’m not keith law by any means, but gamel seems like one of the top two or three 3b prospects in the game at the moment and the braves don’t have an heir apparent for chipper jones that i’m aware of. defense can be improved; just ask king albert…
October 8th, 200912:17 am
Yea, like you said, they know what they are getting into and at the same time, I’m sure if they’re good, they make plenty of money anyway.
October 8th, 200912:18 am
I wish we still had Furcal.
October 8th, 200912:31 am
I think that Escobar is super good. But, can u imagine, if we had Rafy at 2nd and Yunel at SS.
October 8th, 200912:33 am
Or vise versa.
October 8th, 200912:42 am
Seems to get hurt a good bit, and for the salary involved, doesn’t have nearly enough power given the Braves’ needs.
Granted, when he is healthy, he is usually a great leadoff hitter.
Overall, I’m pretty lukewarm on Furcal and glad the deal never went down.
October 8th, 200912:49 am
Yeah, but you just said it. We need a great leadoff hitter. Oh well, it’s a moot point anyway.
October 8th, 20091:06 am
TnBrian, your 11:41 made me laugh. Because you’re right. LOL
Random, I don’t really remember my stance on what Glavine was going to give us. I remember thinking’ he’d be about the same as Jo-Jo or so, and would have been a bargain, had he worked out.
I also, was always very cautiously optimistic about what Hudson was going to give. If I remember correctly, I figured he’d come back and help, but I thought it would be too late, since I wasn’t really sold on Vazquez in February.
But I remember wishing Hanson would start the year with the Braves and not AAA. I remember thinking Glavine (even though we new he’d miss most of April – when we didn’t need a 5th starter until April 17th or whatever it was), would fill the gap until Hanson arrived. Which is exactly what the plan was, and is what happened. Hanson just happened to be ready before Glavine was.
I guess to be honest with you, in hindsight I couldn’t have cared less if we had a surplus of pitching. I wanted Francoeur to go. Turns out I wanted that for good reason.
Wayne in Utah
October 8th, 20091:32 am
I liked Francoeur before I didn’t like him. I would love to see FW get creative with KJ to be able to keep him for one more try. I just don’t have total confidence in Chippers’ ability to remain healthy and/or productive for a full season. Prado would be OK at third, which would open up a spot for KJ and maybe a platoon with Infante, although KJ hits lefties pretty well.
Also, we are talking about having 6 potential starters, including Hudson. Let’s not forget about Medlen, Minor and Reyes as being other possibilities.
I think we retain Hudson, due to the simple fact the Braves prefer the trade route over the FA route.
Also, I would offer Gonzo arbitration, but probably not Soriano I think he is too volatile.
October 8th, 20091:33 am
TnBrian – So you would take Chipper over Jeter? The players around Jeter is the reason he dives into the stands coming out bloody, makes a relay to home saving a run, inspires his team to give their all? Oh sure Im an idiot. There was a day when Chipper was the man but now he is just an old broken down version of that player.
October 8th, 20091:34 am
Perfect day of baseball in the NL.
Go Phillies (to beat the Rockies for beating the Braves out of the wild card)!
Go Dodgers (to stop Smoltz’s desperate quest for a ring at any cost)!
October 8th, 20091:43 am
Enter youI’d start hating on pork butts. (Shamus)
since pork butt comes from the shoulder, does pork shoulder come from the butt??
can I get a pork shoulder and swiss sammich??
October 8th, 20091:49 am
Overall, I’m pretty lukewarm on Furcal and glad the deal never went down (Salamander)
I was thrilled it didn’t go down.
can anybody one-up me with ecstatic?
October 8th, 20091:52 am
Quisp, I think I have to agree with you! Chipper used to be a big cheerleader for the Bravos. Now. not so much. McCann seems to have taken over that role.
October 8th, 20091:56 am
The Dodgers are paying 13 million for a declining, aging shortstop with a bad back who this year put up a .269/.335/.375 with an 88 OPS+.
October 8th, 20093:10 am
What would be the chance we might be able to pick up Wil Ohman for a tryout for 2010. For sure he would be worth a minor league contract for the funny comments he would be good for….
October 8th, 20093:11 am
Don’t know if anyone is out there, but looking at free agents. I wonder if the Braves would consider Troy Glaus at firstbase and Mark Derosa for LF. If, healthy Glaus is good for 25-30 home runs and Derosa 20-25. The 2 shouldn’t cost more than about 12 mill and would give us a backup 3rd baseman(Glaus) and a backup 2nd baseman(if Prado needed to go to 1B.). McLouth, Diaz, Heyward, Derosa and Schafer in the outfield, Ross and McCann at Catcher, Chipper, Escobar, Prado, Glaus, Infante on the infield. Let go Soriano, sign Gonzalez, Kiko Calero, Brenden Donelley to go with Moylen, Medlen, O’Flaherty and Craig Kimbrell. Trade KK for a 3rd base prospect and the budget is in the $92 mill range
October 8th, 20093:16 am
Trade KK for a 3rd base prospect
October 8th, 20093:21 am
Steve U. The prospect wouldn’t have to be Major league ready right now. A high A prospect or AA .
October 8th, 20096:20 am
ccrider (October 8th, 2009 3:11 am)” “Trade KK for a 3rd base prospect and the budget is in the $92 mill range”
Kawakami will not be traded.
October 8th, 20097:21 am
LOL, Roman Gal!
October 8th, 20097:27 am
Wayne, if KJ made Prado’s salary then I’d have no problem with him staying. However, he’s the 10th highest player on a team that has to be creative with its payroll and who has a surplus of infielders and a shortage of outfielders and in the pen. Bye Kelly.
October 8th, 20098:16 am
I have a suspicion that we are going to let KJ go…..and we are going to be sorry we did about June 1st.
October 8th, 20098:23 am
“Well, Robert, you may be correct, but there is plenty of blame to go around here, and as much as you want to blame Cox and excuse Frenchy, if you look at the situation honestly you can’t. You are dealing with a player who was given the star treatment at an early age, who came up to the big club as the “Home Town Hero…..”
Yes Frenchy had issues and didnt handle it well. But bottom line is Cox should not have continued to put him out there every night and hitting in the heart of the order to boot. Catered to one favorite to placate his ego at the expense of the team.
No wonder his favorite players love him. But it’s horrible managing
October 8th, 20098:26 am
Jeter – a leader and someone who has made his teammates better thruout his career (which is different than carrying the team on your back)
Chipper – zero leadership and could on occasion carry the team on his back but never made the team around him better by his presence
Jeter – managed by Torre
Chipper – managed by donkey
October 8th, 20098:34 am
Jeter – a leader and someone who has made his teammates better thruout his career
Robert, based on this, one could argue that Jeter made Torre look better than he actually was.
October 8th, 20098:50 am
WOW! You stepped outside the box to blast Chipper too instead of the usual Bobby bashing! (although you got in a good one on Bobby at the same time!)
Cudo’s for expanding your horizon! Pretty soon you will be bashing FW and KJ too and we will have Coach II….
October 8th, 20098:55 am
I see there’s been some talk about Jeter vs. Chipper on here. I think last night you saw a perfect example of what helps Jeter be successful. When pitching to a lineup like the Yankees have 3 through 6 you absolutely have to go after the guys at the top every time through. Jeter has and always will be the lesser of two evils when batting in that lineup. For a guy with his credentials he gets pitched too a lot. I would have liked to see how he’d hit batting leadoff in an NL lineup. Apples and oranges.
Listen, he’s a great player but imo if he played in Milwaukee his whole career he’d be a Robin Yount type of HOF’er rather than the almighty exhaulted one he’s made out to be. Class guy all the way but he certainly landed in the right spot at the right time and hasn’t screwed it up. Deserves all the credit in the world for that.
October 8th, 20099:09 am
Robert, based on this, one could argue that Jeter made Torre look better than he actually was. (Thrillhouse44)
Based on Torre’s sub .500 managing career before he landed in NY somebody did – no?
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