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Soph
October 1st, 2009
10:52 pm
Me three. I’d definitely care.
Mitchell
October 1st, 2009
10:52 pm
Thanks Jim.
I feel better now.
Don’t you feel like you’re getting cheated though after what’s happened the last three nights? It’s like he’s the f***ing king of the Braves and we are all to worship him until his unforeseeable demise.
Steve from OH
October 1st, 2009
10:52 pm
One final thought before bed beckons…
I love how Martin Prado (.809 OPS) is a super-human/demigod/MVP-type player but Chipper Jones (.830 OPS) needs to retire/move to 1B/die.
Or ditto for Martin Prado and Brian McCann (.840 OPS) needs to bat 7th/sucks.
You people are funny.
(h/t JC Bradbury)
Random
October 1st, 2009
10:53 pm
Mitchell (October 1st, 2009 10:15 pm): “I feel cheated.”
You were.
At birth.
By God.
Vinings Jim
October 1st, 2009
10:53 pm
Wow – I am as innocuous as it comes – it’s fun to have someone attack me – thanks, Hogan – you are a prince among whatever it is you think you are, genderwise!
Hogan
October 1st, 2009
10:54 pm
who’s the bigger idiot, VJ, you for responding, or me for responding, asswipe.
Steve from OH
October 1st, 2009
10:55 pm
This dude realizes that DOB can see his IP address, right? I.e. the name changes aren’t fooling anyone?
Hogan
October 1st, 2009
10:55 pm
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics…even if you win, you’re still retarded.
Hogan
October 1st, 2009
10:56 pm
yep, and there are quite a few others who have the same IP.
cabravesfan
October 1st, 2009
10:56 pm
Hogan-
is there any particular reason you show up at the end of the season and decide to insult everyone or are you just a complete jacka**?
Bat Masterson
October 1st, 2009
10:56 pm
spelling ability=speaking ability=intelligence.
Not necessarily, you must be very young, or very foolish, nicht wahr
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
10:56 pm
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics…even if you win, you’re still retarded.
Funny joke. You just think of that yourself?
Vinings Jim
October 1st, 2009
10:56 pm
DOB -I would like you to consider removing the 10:52 post by Hogan, which refers to cabravesfan in an obscene manner (albeit a not-well-known-obscenity)
Mitchell
October 1st, 2009
10:57 pm
You may have a point Random.
Thanks for your insight and wisdom.
Hogan
October 1st, 2009
10:57 pm
Seig Heil!
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
10:58 pm
Can’t we just go back to the old days of arguing about Charlie Morton?
Soph
October 1st, 2009
10:58 pm
Wow, Dish added ESPNU to my package. They must’ve gotten a lot of complaints after the UGA game last week.
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2009
10:58 pm
Had a few quotes that couldn’t squeeze into one file tonight. Here’s a couple others:
Hanson on Rookie of the Year award possibility: “We’ll see. If I did win the award, it’d be an honor and I’d be happy. But even if I don’t, I’m happy with the season and what I did.”
On what he still needs to work on: “A lot of things,” he said, citing his changeup, holding runners closer to bases, overall pitch command, and he hopes to contribute more with the bat.
He said he was looking forward to having a little more rest this offseason, unlike last year when he headed to the Fall League after the minor league season. But he added that while he’s not as fresh now as he was earlier in the season, his arm still feels good and he felt great on the mound tonight.
I asked him about looking forward to next year’s rotation being strong again, and he said, “It should be very exciting. Hopefully we keep most of our starters, keep us all together.”
Bad Scooter
October 1st, 2009
10:59 pm
wow, how about the news on Letterman? http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/2009/10/01/2009-10-01_david_letterman_reveals_extortion_plot_con_man_wanted_2m_for_sex_secrets.html
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
10:59 pm
I didn’t think I had ESPNU until I checked last week, HOPING it was there. Sho nuff.
Maybe they just added it too.
keylargo
October 1st, 2009
11:00 pm
Great point Hogan @ 10:55.
Daybed Wagmoe
October 1st, 2009
11:01 pm
DOB — I just read your earlier post about the lack of attractive starting free agents, and how it might make Lowe and Kawakami more attractive trade pieces. Didn’t even think about that, but it’s a very good point.
You mentioned John Lackey, and after, the only names I see that teams might chase after would be Randy Wolf, Tim Wakefield, and maybe Jason Marquis…but while I can imagine that Lackey might top out at $13 mill/year, I don’t think any of those other three would get above a deal worth $10 mill/year. You’re right — puts the Braves in a better position.
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:01 pm
Tommy had a great season. I remember during his first game we had people freaking out on here about his pitching capabilities. I’d say it worked out well.
Vinings Jim
October 1st, 2009
11:01 pm
And now our boy Hogan getting Nazi on us…although spelling a word wrong…(sieg)
Braveheart
October 1st, 2009
11:02 pm
Don’t know how Derek Lowe could win LVP when the team was 21-12 in his starts. Yeah, he got some good run support, but they won when he started. Wish it had been prettier, but still they won when he started, and that’s all that really matters.
Lowe allowed 4 earned runs or more 7 times. Vazquez did it 8 times. Jair did it 5 times. The Braves were 2-5 when Lowe allowed 4 earned runs or more, 1-7 when Vazquez did so. 3-2 when Jair did so.
Lowe allowed 3 earned runs or less 26 times. Vazquez did it 23 times. Jair did it 28 times The Braves were 19-7 when Lowe allowed 3 earned runs or less. 17-6 when Vazquez did so. 15-13 when Jair did it.
Lowe allowed 2 earned runs or less 16 times. Vazquez 20 times. Jurrjens 25 times. 13-3 when Lowe did so. 16-4 for Vazquez. Only 14-11 when Jair did it.
Jair got royally screwed, but Lowe wasn’t really as awful as he seemed to often look or as his overall ERA numbers make him look. But, still, I’d eat $15 mil of the remainder, and trade him away. Surely some other team has got to find Lowe at 3 years, $33 mil attractive enough compared to other free agent pitchers this offseason. Extend Hudson and Vazquez, keep Hanson, Jurrjens, and Kawakami, and just treat those 5 pitchers as if they are each gonna be $1 mil more expensive annually than you’re actually paying them.
Or maybe DOB’s right. You just eat $10 mil or so off Lowe’s remainder. The Braves traded Neagle a decade ago when he was making $4.75 mil annually. That $4.75 mil will be worth $13.5 in the upcoming free agency market. ($4.75*1.1^11). Neagle was 16-11 with a 4.05 FIP the year he was traded away. Lowe was 15-9 with a 3.97 FIP this year. If you eat that $10 mil, the team that gets Lowe would only be annually paying him around $13 mil or so, which is comparable to what Neagle’s $4.75 mil is worth in today’s free agency market when adjusted for baseball free agency salary inflation, and it’s also consistent with what the next highest bidder (the Mets) were willing to pay Lowe last offseason
Daybed Wagmoe
October 1st, 2009
11:03 pm
I read somewhere that the Braves might try to move Jo-Jo Reyes or a similar guy. Are there any plans to have Jo Jo pitch in the Arizona Fall League? Can’t remember where he is with his injury recovery…
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:03 pm
I really hope Tommy gets ROTY. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if Coghlan got it. The Braves certainly didn’t help Hanson’s case this past week – not getting him the win tonight and padding Coghlan’s stats in the Marlins series.
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2009
11:04 pm
McCann on Hanson: “I hope he wins that Rookie of the Year award. He deserves it.”
“The thing about him, pitchers like him, he can get into a trouble with one out, like he did tonight [after one-out single in fifth] and then he can reach back and blow you away to get out of it. He’s a strikeout pitcher.”
“It’s going to be a pleasure to watch him.”
I asked Mac if he’d noticed Hanson make adjustments during the season.
“Oh, yeah. After the first couple of starts he started to realize who the aggressive hitters were, when to bounce a curveball in the dirt, when not to give in….”
Vinings Jim
October 1st, 2009
11:05 pm
Good night to the good people of the blog (jeffrey, Soph, and many others) – and to the love of my life in LA! It has been an interesting half hour…
cabravesfan
October 1st, 2009
11:05 pm
Good Night VJ
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:06 pm
Night, VJ!
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:06 pm
and to the love of my life in LA!
I love Manny too. Goodnight VJ!
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:07 pm
Yeah, I think Coghlan will get it. What with him being an everyday player and all.
keylargo
October 1st, 2009
11:07 pm
Daybed, I’d look for Jo-Jo to show up in the spring and try to earn a middle relief spot. We’ll have one available and he’ll be making the minimum. I think it would be best for everyone because they won’t get much of anything for him now.
Bat Masterson
October 1st, 2009
11:07 pm
Vinings Jim
October 1st, 2009
11:01 pm
I think that was directed at me, VJ.
Vinings Jim
October 1st, 2009
11:08 pm
jeffrey – stop giving away my secrets!
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2009
11:09 pm
Braveheart: In my comment earlier tonight, I was suggesting that the Braves might not have to eat any of Lowe’s contract, that they might — might — be able to trade him this winter because of the dearth of free-agent pitchers on the market. I hadn’t looked at it closely until today, but really there is Lackey and not much else, in terms of guys as proven as Lowe is.
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:09 pm
Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics…even if you win, you’re still retarded.
I’ll take old and overused jokes on the internet for 400, Alex…
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:10 pm
They’re re-districting Gwinnett County schools. I’m sure parents are going to be thrilled about their kids being shifted to Meadowcreek.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:11 pm
That would be incredible if we could get rid of Lowe. I mean, I’ll miss the big sweaty guy, but dumping all that money would be great.
Probably not gonna happen though.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:12 pm
When are they redistricting??
Curt
October 1st, 2009
11:12 pm
DOB
Do you think there is any chance that the Marlins would trade Uggla to the Braves?
Braves could move Prado to first and Uggla would give them the right handed power bat they covet. Think Braves would consider that scenario?
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:14 pm
They’re redistricting this year but it takes affect next year. They’re going to release the maps tomorrow.
I think it mostly affects Meadowcreek and Berkmar. The two best schools in Gwinnett, of course.
Mid Town Joe
October 1st, 2009
11:14 pm
I use to like Letterman, but over the past few years is gotten quite boring. He is too stuck on himself. He’s bashed the polticians way too much for me. Leno is better and funnier. I enjoy the heck out of his new show. I’ve tried to watch Lurch on NBC.
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:15 pm
Its become quite clear that Glee is the most popular show in the past few months…
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:17 pm
I really want to see Glee, but I’m usually gone on Wednesday nights
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:17 pm
Dacula only has five total schools in its cluster? We must have at least 6 or 7.
Mid Town Joe
October 1st, 2009
11:18 pm
I hope Paul Lentz get his refund.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:18 pm
Yeah when they built Mill Creek it took a lot of our numbers.
Curt
October 1st, 2009
11:19 pm
Did a little research during this boring game tonight regarding the upgrades that have happen at 1B, 2B, CF and RF through out the season. I looked up the WAR aka Wins Above Replacement player for the 2 primary players at each of those positions and what I am about to list is the total up grade that the 2nd player provided over the previous play at that position.
LaRoche was a 1.7 improvement over Kotchman
Prado was a 2.1 improvement over Johnson
McLouth was a 3.4 improvement over Schafer
Diaz was a 2.9 improvement over Frenchy
That all totals up to an extra 10.1 wins over the course of the season if we have all those guys in place from the beginning of the year. Even if you think the stat is some what flawed you guy cut that number in half and we would still be currently tied with the Rockies for the wild card.
Makes you think, huh?
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:19 pm
Laughed out loud at that one MTJ
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:19 pm
jeffrey d,
JJ4NLCY to the rescue: http://www.hulu.com/glee
Braveheart
October 1st, 2009
11:20 pm
DOB, if they can dump that whole thing, then hell go for it. I think I got confused because you said something about eating $10 mil or so a few days ago, and forgot that you had revised that opinion earlier today.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:21 pm
heyyy…I didn’t know Glee was on Hulu. Thanks JJ…I’ll check it out this weekend
richbrave
October 1st, 2009
11:22 pm
Hey RANDOM:
Your 10:53 p.m. LOL funny. Good ‘un.
Lou Vales
October 1st, 2009
11:22 pm
Shocking quote from McCann–He wants Tommy to win the Rookie of the Year Award. Did anyone else think he wanted Coghlin?
You gotta love Sports Journalism(??).
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:23 pm
heyyy…I didn’t know Glee was on Hulu. Thanks JJ…I’ll check it out this weekend
Thats what I’m here for, sorta.
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:23 pm
TPG -
Coghlan will win it, IMO.
Braveheart
October 1st, 2009
11:24 pm
Vales, what’s sport journalism to you?
jed
October 1st, 2009
11:24 pm
curt–if you were to sign uggla, i think you’d move him to LF, keep prado at 2b & re-sign la roche. but there are better options out there–carlos lee being one of them. i really think they should go the trade route, and yes i do think they can trade lowe if they eat a couple million /per on his salary.
richbrave
October 1st, 2009
11:26 pm
RANDOM:
Arigato, sagacious-one. Be cool. ‘Till next time.
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:26 pm
DOB,
I’d just like to tell you, you inspired me to join my schools journalism program…
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:26 pm
Pee Guy – It’s Coughlan. Just thought you should know how to spell your guy’s name.
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2009
11:26 pm
Leno, funny? How many years ago are we talking? Ten, 15?
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:27 pm
JK – It’s Coghlan.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:28 pm
The Daily Show…now that’s funny.
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:28 pm
What’s Coghlan’s first name?
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:29 pm
Are we testing pee guy, or am I allowed to answer?
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:29 pm
The Daily Show…now that’s funny.
Definitely. I agree with you on that.
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2009
11:29 pm
Lou Vales: “Sports journalism?”
Dude, it’s quotes thrown up on a blog. Not even used in the story, but perhaps something someone on the blog might care to read.
You, sir, have got issues. You need to stop reading blogs, because this is not at all what you’re looking for. I don’t know exactly what that is, just that this ain’t it.
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:30 pm
Oh, well I assumed TPG would be the first to answer. I guess you can tell me. Is it Tim? I don’t know why but that’s the first name that came to my head.
David O'Brien
October 1st, 2009
11:30 pm
Soph: On that, I think most of us can agree. The Daily Show = Funny.
So is that new show some were referencing, Glee. I like that. And Community. Very funny.
Anyone see the second episode of FlashForward tonight? Gonna go home and watch it if I can stay awake.
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:32 pm
Ok, it’s not Tim. Chris. I don’t know why, I always ignored his first name. Just went with Coghlan.
Daybed Wagmoe
October 1st, 2009
11:32 pm
Just went back and saw the highlight of Garrett Anderson’s 2,500th hit cause I missed the game entirely tonight.
Wow. Looks like nobody in the stadium knew what had just happened. The players in the dugout were applauding, but when they showed shots of the crowd, didn’t look like anyone was showing any support, no standing O, nothing. Did they put anything up on the big screen?
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:32 pm
Soph – No you’re thinking of Tebow. Coghlan’s first name is Chris.
On that, I think most of us can agree. The Daily Show = Funny
I’ll bet Lentz and TPG and YAACA will disagree with that.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:33 pm
They were giving him the Loaf treatment.
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:33 pm
Flashforward’s episode wasn’t as good as the firsts
Bat Masterson
October 1st, 2009
11:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4phHwSSing
This guy is funny.
Soph
October 1st, 2009
11:34 pm
Ugh, no I was not thinking of Tebow.
I’ll bet Lentz and TPG and YAACA will disagree with that.
Robert and No More Bobby too, probably.
Bat Masterson
October 1st, 2009
11:37 pm
On that, I think most of us can agree. The Daily Show = Funny
Well, I do, for one.
Wjones
October 1st, 2009
11:37 pm
“Mitchell
October 1st, 2009
6:28 pm
Icky Thump/WBC
October 1st, 2009
5:50 pm
The Braves finished the month of September 17 – 10. A good, not great month of Baseball.
Exactly! And next year, with some young players coming up and a big bat hopefully, will be somewhat better than this one. Good overall, but still not great.
As long as Bobby is here, we should only expect the Braves to meet expectations, not exceed them.”
Uh, guys, please do the math. Take the above winning percentage, use it over the full season, and the Braves win over 100 games. Just how hard is it to please you?
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:37 pm
Stephan Colbert:
60% = Funny
30% = Hilarious
10% = Stupid
Mid Town Joe
October 1st, 2009
11:37 pm
Funny Jay Leno clip with <a href="Paris Hilton.
Mid Town Joe
October 1st, 2009
11:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbML5fHuVw4&feature=related
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:39 pm
I don’t watch The Daily Show that much, but I happened to catch it tonight and it was fresh on my mind. Jon Stewart is brilliant and has great delivery. He’s a lefty too (I like lefties)
Poorjeff
October 1st, 2009
11:40 pm
Richbrave -Nothing is accomplished. Signing Cox just continues the pain (same BS). Now whats next?
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:40 pm
He’s a lefty too (I like lefties)
Im a lefty!
Does that mean you like me?
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:43 pm
JJ – really? Nice. It doesn’t automatically mean I like you (Tebow’s a lefty). But it doesn’t hurt.
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:45 pm
And while we’re at it, Letterman and Leno are both lefties too, FYI
Couch Tater
October 1st, 2009
11:46 pm
Tim Tebow update:
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/37193/offsides_tebow_looking_terrific
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:50 pm
jeffrey d,
Yea.
I have a shirt that says: “Left handed people are the only ones in their right mind.”
I never wear it, and I’m sure you see why…
jeffrey d
October 1st, 2009
11:51 pm
Tim Tebow’s been mentioned 4 (now 5) times on this page. I can’t help but feel somewhat responsible.
uga-brave
October 1st, 2009
11:52 pm
anyone want a starting point why the braves are not in the postseason?
look no further then then the 3 and 4 hole.
after the all star break hoss hit a mighty .241.
macc hit a mighty .261.
those are the facts. the failure lies on them.
.241 from the three hole follewed with .261 in the cleanup hole with zero power.
great pitching all year, but no thump from our 3 and 4 guys.
not only no thump but .241 and .261 after the all star break
well everyone is gonna say macc is not a four hole hitter right?
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 1st, 2009
11:55 pm
If for some reason Jon Stewart show stops getting viewers and he gets offered a job for SNY Broadcaster, he should take it, the man knows a lot about baseball, shame he is a Mets fan.
Doc Holiday
October 2nd, 2009
12:02 am
What about going for Dan Uggla?
Martin for 3B.
Chipper should only play half games at 3b with martin playing the other half and platooning with martin.
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 2nd, 2009
12:04 am
Doc,
Have to you platoon a successful switch hitter with a righty who hits rightys better than leftys?
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 2nd, 2009
12:04 am
* How do you
Hogan
October 2nd, 2009
12:05 am
Daily Show=Angry Jews who think they are funny. As an Angry Jew, I know they are NOT funny.
Doc Holiday
October 2nd, 2009
12:07 am
BUT ITS STILL EARLY………..LOL.
Maybe now all the clowns that used to say that sentence in april and may, understand how big those games they said were not that important, really were.
Jurrjens4NLCY
October 2nd, 2009
12:07 am
Oh goody!
Hogan is back!