Playoffs or not, Braves’ strong finish bodes well for future

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richbrave

September 30th, 2009
10:28 pm

FRANKIE:

Don’t include me in your collective jag-off!!!!

Rock On......

September 30th, 2009
10:28 pm

Oh my….scrolled up to find it was a pass ball and Diaz broke for home then stopped. Oh my. Oh my. Better to always keep going….never make the third out at third. Oh my……………

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:28 pm

Shut up Lentz. It isn’t Bobby’s fault that Diaz is too dumb not to get picked off. Little league baserunning 101……if you start to go, go hard the whole way. this moron stops, then goes back, then starts again, then goes back again. Give me a break.

Frankie Knuckles

September 30th, 2009
10:28 pm

This was not Bobby’s fault……… He tried to ruin it with Acosta. What was he thinking? All blame to Diaz tonight. Hey, we have a real RF coming up right.

Vinings Jim

September 30th, 2009
10:29 pm

LT – cabravesfan says ‘hi’

richbrave

September 30th, 2009
10:29 pm

TOP of the sixth. Still ROX 5-4.

RHR

September 30th, 2009
10:29 pm

Uh. Are they interviewing Nolasco on Braves Live?

Soph

September 30th, 2009
10:29 pm

And, the Phils clinched the NL East tonight? Shoot me now. :roll:

Mitchell

September 30th, 2009
10:30 pm

For once I’m actually not mad at Matt Diaz. Would it have killed the third base ump to just call him safe? I didn’t really see the tag but he looked safe to me.

Look at that, the first four batters were hitless on the night and yet I’ve been routinely lectured for suggesting that our line-up is ineffective and counterintuitive.

Doc Holiday

September 30th, 2009
10:30 pm

I think he was crossed up by himself.

You can attribute this running mistake to the lack of concentration.

Once you are in Matts position, you have to ask yourself the question. If the ball gets away from the catcher what am I going to do…………. and then you have your own answer, and you save yourself this running mistake. If he breaks immediately to the plate, hustling as well as he does, he is safe. If the answer is, I wont break to the plate if the ball doesnt goes like a mile from homeplate, we will still be playing or celebrating.

The thing is, Matt was not ready for the situation and as a result, he makes a mistake. Huge one by the way.

richbrave

September 30th, 2009
10:31 pm

SouthernBelleBrave

September 30th, 2009
10:31 pm

Soph—-I do agree. This is going to really eat at Mattie. I wish it had been the other outcome, so he could’ve been the tying run, ie ‘one of the heroes’.

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:31 pm

Unbelievable how some people want to put blame on Bobby for this. Matt Diaz just cost them any realistic shot.

Chop Chop

September 30th, 2009
10:31 pm

Isn’t it amazing that we lost the first home series where the pressure was really ratcheted up? The Marlins offered a lot more resistance than the Mets and Nats. We couldn’t handle it.

Mitchell

September 30th, 2009
10:31 pm

Way to go Marlins. You’re a perennial fourth place team with first place talent.

Why the F are they showing this interview?!

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:31 pm

Oh well! At least I got the Twins!
Oh wait.
Well I got the Rangers
Oh.
But Hey, the Rams are doing good, right?

Well at least I got the 2008 Detroit Lions…

Vinings Jim

September 30th, 2009
10:32 pm

On an unrelated note (to the devastating loss), I would like to thank Adam for not striking out – I listened to Seaver strike out the ten in a row at school and in the bus on the way home forty years ago, and I would have been really upset if the Braves had let a Marlin tie or break his record…

Mr. Enigma

September 30th, 2009
10:32 pm

They’re about to interview Diaz on SportSouth. Can’t wait to see this.

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:33 pm

Mitchell….you’re an idiot. the ump should have called him safe??? Why exactly would he have done that?? Moron.

SouthernBelleBrave

September 30th, 2009
10:33 pm

On the replay, Matt kind of did look safe. His hand seemed to be on the bag as the tag was placed. But the umpire couldn’t have seen that since he was behind the play. I wish he’d given Matt the benefit of the doubt. :roll: Too bad for us.

Chop Chop

September 30th, 2009
10:33 pm

The sad thing is that the last two games caused a few old playoff flashbacks for me. It really stinks when you can’t feel confident in your favorite team to get the job done when the chips are down. I know some fans always want to be positive, but that game tonight is a prime example of why I’m rarely positive about the Braves. I was burned too many times back during that division title run to just…Believe.

McFann O

September 30th, 2009
10:34 pm

Mr. E McCann’s smart base running and making Uggla throw to first is what enabled that entire inning to even happen.

Yeah…what a ntiwit! :lol:

Night, all.

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:34 pm

Shoot me now.

I’m on it.

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:34 pm

F Matt Diaz. Nothing he can say will make me feel bad for him. He’s a major league player, who obviously is too dumb to understand baserunning. I really hope he isn’t on this team next year.

Rock On......

September 30th, 2009
10:35 pm

Well strong chance we would still be 3 back with 4 to go had we won. In other words we would be sunk either way. Doubt Diaz will be too bummed for long. It hurts now for sure but it doesn’t hurt as bad as losing 3 to the freakin Reds. Actually I am still upset with Bobby for pulling Hanson in Houston. This game is only magnified due to the timing. I can come up with 20 other games/instances that were just as bad.

Driver8

September 30th, 2009
10:35 pm

Just maybe Matt also lost the ball when it went off the catcher… it wasnt that far off so.. not like it went several feet away from the catcher. It was a split second thing and well he got frozen. Damn if he did and Damn if he didnt. We wouldnt be feeling any better at being thrown out at home to end the game.

Mixxo

September 30th, 2009
10:35 pm

rico carty –

We were very lucky in ‘95. Aside from good pitching, we didn’t exactly dominate anyone that year with our “killer instinct.” It’s been more of the same for the following years. We’re not very smart, slow as hell and don’t possess the “edge” required for a championship ballclub. (See Phillies.)

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:36 pm

Chop Chop…couldn’t agree more.

Mitchell

September 30th, 2009
10:36 pm

njbraves,

At what point is Bobby deserving of blame for you? It’s his damn team. We’ve won ONE playoff series this decade.

Paul Lentz

September 30th, 2009
10:36 pm

jeffrey d……….jolly has nothing to do with it. What is wrong with being critical of your team and still caring about them? Are you of the mind that one cant ever say anything bad about your team?

If you believe that the last play of the game is something to be “not made a big deal of”…..then we’ll just have to agree that the two of us have 2 different ways of seeing things.

I love the Braves with all my heart. However, that does not mean that I’m going to “look at the bright side” no matter how much they FCUK UP.

We needed that comeback. What a demoralizing loss. No other way to look at it.

I like Matt Diaz. I appreciate what he has done for this team this year. However, I hope that he hurts like hell over that boneheaded last play. If a man is any kind of competitor, then mistakes HAVE TO HURT. When a play like that hurts, one either blames others or makes light of it…………OR………they use that as motivation to work hard and make sure that they NEVER make a mistake like that again.

The reason why victory is SO SWEET is because losing is SO BITTER. Losing should hurt. Making boneheaded mistakes should hurt. Not to punish a player. But to motivate him to the point that he NEVER, EVER wants to feel like that again.

Earlier this year, when Luis Castillo of the Mets dropped that pop up against the Yankees with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th that cost the Mets the game, he took his medicine “like a man” and accepted total blame for what happened, and stayed after the game to answer every question from the NY Press. Soon after, the incident died and the press let it go.

I hope that Diaz chooses to do the same thing.

Gone Viral

September 30th, 2009
10:36 pm

If being a Braves fan were easy, everyone would do it.

Matt Diaz’s ascension is a key reason why this game because so important in the end. I want to thank him for the season he’s had rather than obsess on what was bad luck here.

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:36 pm

I read in a book somewhere that Umps almost Always call the last play, an out so they can go home because they stand up for the entire game…

It sounds silly, but silly enough to be true.

McFann O

September 30th, 2009
10:36 pm

On the replay, Matt kind of did look safe. His hand seemed to be on the bag as the tag was placed.

How apropos! Story of the season right there…

Coulda woulda shoulda…or is it “Coulda shoulda woulda“? I always forget…

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:37 pm

Rock on…..let the Hanson in Houston game go…for God’s sake. It’s become the most talked about game in Braves history.

Chop Chop

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

Nevertheless, I don’t blame Diaz too much there. That stuff happens. I know why he did what he did, but when you’re the tying run on third with two outs, you have to be absolutely sure. He hesitated and got caught. I like Diaz, but he screwed up in a situation he couldn’t afford to screw up in. That’s why people love baseball, right?

Mixxo

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

I feel for Matt, he’s taking it hard.

McFann O

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

Gone Viral

Agreed.

OK, I’m leaving now…

bravesgirlnc

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

Bless. Just bless.

Vinings Jim

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

Well done, Matt – way to face the music, and be honest with your feelings…

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

The truly sad thing is, Matt is our best base runner, slightly ahead of KJ…

SouthernBelleBrave

September 30th, 2009
10:38 pm

McFann — Its “Shoulda coulda woulda”. ;)

Rock On......

September 30th, 2009
10:39 pm

The screw ups in April are just as bad as the screw ups in Sept. njbraves—Matt Diaz was pretty popular with that 3 run homer last night. Right? Be pissed all you want but dude it was a long shot. Get over it.

Doc Holiday

September 30th, 2009
10:39 pm

OK, now Im ready to talk 2010.

Anybody?

My moves:
1. Norton packing.

2. Trade Lowe even if it means eating some of his salary (even if it is 25% of it)

3. Trade KJ……I dont care what we get for him.

4. Let GA walk away.

Whats the situation with Nate and Church?

I would only bring 1 of those 2 guys and let Schafer show he can do it…….

Kelly's Johnson

September 30th, 2009
10:39 pm

Well…I’ve often said Diaz has major holes in his “game”…and he does…but at least, he manned-up after the game…

Daybed Wagmoe

September 30th, 2009
10:40 pm

To everyone blaming Matt Diaz, keep in mind that Martin Prado was at the plate putting up his hand, giving him the “don’t come, stay there” sign.

Driver8

September 30th, 2009
10:40 pm

Fact is you can’t strike out 16 times in a crucial game. Matt Diaz is NOT to blame. This game would have been much different if we didnt fan so many times.

Matty D you are alright in my books… tough thing to deal with but this loss is hardly your fault by no means. Chin up man!

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:41 pm

Mitchell…..you’re right. Let’s blame the manager because Diaz got picked off third. Can’t believe I missed the connection there. Thanks for clearing that up for me. For some reason, I was assuming that a major league veteran would know enough to be extremely careful in that spot. My bad.

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:41 pm

Paul Lentz,

Something tells me you were a great paper writer in college.

Couch Tater

September 30th, 2009
10:41 pm

Pour me a drank and listen to the jukebox.

George Jones Things Have Gone To Pieces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mhw_DGIW5o&feature=related

SouthernBelleBrave

September 30th, 2009
10:42 pm

I agree. They had ALL game long to get those runs on the board. It coulda been a different game altogether without those 16 K’s.

Soph

September 30th, 2009
10:42 pm

I’m on it.

Somehow, I knew you’d be the first to jump on it, jeffrey.

Chop Chop

September 30th, 2009
10:42 pm

Jurrjens4NLCY,

There’s a big difference between being a great college paper writer and, well, just being a person who can write page after page of repetitive drivel.

Soph

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

Mixxo, are you watching his interview? If so, can you summarize what he said?

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

Now people feel bad for Matt???LOL….you’ve got to be kidding me.

Mitchell

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:33 pm
Mitchell….you’re an idiot. the ump should have called him safe??? Why exactly would he have done that?? Moron.

Because I’m a Braves fan and I wanted them to win the game and because it was a high tag.

All anyone hears me say about Matt Diaz is how much I think he sucks. For once I’m giving him a break.

SavBrave

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

I can usually manage to yell a cunning remark when the Bravos do something stupid.

This time, I could only stare at the screen in disbelief. No yelling this time, just silently into the night….

Unbelievable. Improbable. Good times.

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

To everyone blaming Matt Diaz, keep in mind that Martin Prado was at the plate putting up his hand, giving him the “don’t come, stay there” sign.

So lets blame Prado for trying to stop him?

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

I thought Martin was waving him in

MEB

September 30th, 2009
10:43 pm

njbraves… did you watch the interview? I think I know who’s dumb. Your post is not worthy of comment.

Soph

September 30th, 2009
10:44 pm

Rally McT’s arms and legs are gone. Yikes.

Chop Chop

September 30th, 2009
10:44 pm

Kelly Johnson wouldn’t have confused Matty!

KJ for second base in 2010!

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:44 pm

Diaz basically said that he is borderline retarded, and because of this he couldn’t make up his mind.

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:44 pm

At least his head is still there.

kirkinga

September 30th, 2009
10:45 pm

I agree that the Braves’ base running has been subpar all season, but what if he does run there and makes the 3rd out just the same? There seems to be an assumption that he would have been safe. I thought it would have been a very close play

It seems to me the only thing Diaz did wrong was hesitate as there was no guarantee he’s safe at home. So I’m not sure it was a base running thing as much as it was a choke thing (and I admit choke may be too strong a word).

Diaz is not a bad player and doesn’t deserve some of the stuff people are saying. I’m just going to chalk it up to disappointment. He’s a great reserve player that has been more clutch than some of the guys that bat higher in the order.

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:45 pm

MEB….maybe you can bring Matty a box of tissues next time you go to a game. Idiot.

Soph

September 30th, 2009
10:45 pm

No, I think that’s just his shell. Poor little guy.

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:46 pm

There’s a big difference between being a great college paper writer and, well, just being a person who can write page after page of repetitive drivel.

I can honestly say thats the funniest line in this blogs history.
My problem has always been meeting the required words/pages.
I’m amazed how he can just go on and on and still stay on the same topic…

Bat Masterson

September 30th, 2009
10:46 pm

Well that was a dishearten loss. Poor Matt, he should have just gone like hell for the plate.

Mixxo

September 30th, 2009
10:46 pm

Soph, I just caught the tail end of it when he mentioned, ‘…never losing a game in that particular fashion…’ or words to that effect.

Mr. Enigma

September 30th, 2009
10:46 pm

They said Martin Prado had to be “consoled” in the dugout by Yunel Escobar and Omar Infante because Prado felt responsible for confusing Diaz by telling him to stay.

Paul Lentz

September 30th, 2009
10:46 pm

Jurrjens4NLCY……….I feel that one can love what Matt Diaz brings to a team as a player…….yet also criticize him when he makes a bone headed play at the end of a game to cost the Braves any realistic shot at catching the Rockies.

As I said before, that play by itself isnt the reason why the Braves arent making the playoffs. I’ve seen a plethora of base running blunders by pretty much the whole team throughout the season. If I remember correctly, we had 3 runners thrown out in one inning earlier this year (on base running blunders)……2 on one play, lol.

Yet Bobby Cox gets a pass because it isnt his job to teach fundamentals to Major League players.

Again, if “staying positive and calm” are the prerequisites, to managing in baseball……then why doesnt self help guru Tony Robbins get a gig managing?

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

If he breaks right away and busts it down the line, he is safe. Stop making excuses for this idiot. He blew it.

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

Kelly Johnson wouldn’t have confused Matty!

FINALLY, someone that understands!

glord

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

I dont blame Diaz much on that. Tough play. The ball hits Paulinos ankle and does not go far enough. Diaz tries to find the ball while Prado says come then stop. Its bang bang. Just unlucky.

I will say one thing for Diaz. He just gave a text book example for young players on how to face the music after a huge mistake. He handled it with class.

Doc Holiday

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

Actually I am still upset with Bobby for pulling Hanson in Houston. This game is only magnified due to the timing. I can come up with 20 other games/instances that were just as bad. –ROCK ON…–
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Are you in kindergarden? can you just come with 20 games just as bad? Cant you count any higher?

Just kidding my friend.

The Truth Hurts

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

It’s clear that Matty should’ve done another round of P90X.

I would like to thank the Atlanta Braves for demonstrating yet another way to lose an important game. We had not been treated to a pick-off at 3rd with the bases loaded and 2 out quite yet. I look forward to the next demonstration at a later date. My mind is awash in the possibilities. Perhaps a loss after a protested win? Or by triple play?

Surely the baseball Gods have a magnifying glass and we are ants.

Perhaps Matty skipped the yoga workouts in P90X and feared his flexibility wasn’t as good as a head-first slide into home dictated. I feel confident another round of workouts with yoga included will have him sliding from the on-deck circle to the batter’s box in no time.

Ricky Nolasco is no Livan Hernandez. Ricky is no Kerry Wood. Ricky is no Jack Morris. Or Jimmy Key. Or Wakefield. Or Randy Johnson. Or Curt Schilling. Or Kevin Brown. For Ricky Nolasco is clearly the best pitcher to ever play this game.

In the last hour.

uga-brave

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

at the end of the day the braves managed 6 hits and struck out 16 times.

their 3 hole and 4 hole hitter managed 2 hits all series.

what sunk them tonight sunk them all season.

as scoots says give me a thug in the four hole.

keylargo

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

I want to say that I know MD is hurting worse than anyone and that I appreciate his attitude and hustle. Anyone who has ever been part of a team knows how bad he feels and that he will never forget it.

Rock On......

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

People, realistic shots at winning are made along the way or lost. Sure Matt feels bad but my god have any of you even played the freakin game. The bad baserunning is no different than the great catch by Barmes. All pieces of the puzzle that will lead us out of the playoff picture. Don’t go blaming Diaz for eliminating our final shot at the playoffs. There have been many culprits in that scheme. Too many to even begin mentioning.

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:47 pm

Somehow, I knew you’d be the first to jump on it, jeffrey.

You know I’d never shoot you with anything other than a Nerf gun.

Will

September 30th, 2009
10:48 pm

Now that i have calmed down a tad, i guess we probably have to admit that win or lose this game didnt matter anyways. Braves were finished after last night.

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:49 pm

Paul Lentz….are you really this dumb??? Don’t you think by the time these guys are in the big leagues they should know how to run the bases??

The Bird and Indian (Reggie)

September 30th, 2009
10:50 pm

That just killed me. I sat there for 10 minutes with my head down, just amazed. It’s tough to take this one down. The true Braves fans will have a hard time digesting it and will keep blogging and watching while Mitchell and the gang won’t be back till’ next year and said stuff like “glad I already stopped caring.” Moron. Hopefully when the Saints kick it off on Sunday, I’ll free my mind. Even more so when the Hawks tip it off.

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:50 pm

Diaz basically said that he is borderline retarded

Diaz basically said that he is [really Paul Lentz in disguise]
Fixed.
I knew it!
Diaz got picked off because he was blogging for 17 pages…

Daybed Wagmoe

September 30th, 2009
10:50 pm

jeffrey d — Just went back and looked at the replay, and you’re right, Prado was waving him in. Initially I just saw him putting his hand up, from the CF camera angle, and it looked like he was putting up the stop sign, but when they cut to the behind-home plate angle, it’s clear that Prado was trying to wave him.

So, nevermind, my bad for saying Prado was telling him to stay there.

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:51 pm

8 – 4 Rockies

Chop Chop

September 30th, 2009
10:51 pm

8-4 Rockies.

Run scores on a wild pitch followed by a two-run HR by Carlos Gonzalez.

Mixxo

September 30th, 2009
10:52 pm

uga-brave & Rock On…..

Yep, yep….

Soph

September 30th, 2009
10:52 pm

You know I’d never shoot you with anything other than a Nerf gun.

Works for me. Put me out of my misery.

SouthernBelleBrave

September 30th, 2009
10:52 pm

Well, hell…there goes that hope. 8-4 Rocks. What the heck is wrong with the Brew Crew?

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:53 pm

I don’t think anybody’s blaming this loss on Diaz other than the loonies. The Marlins had 2 errors that inning, so that play shouldn’t have even happened. Plus Marlins pitchers struck out what….50 batters?

njbraves

September 30th, 2009
10:53 pm

You all are the softest bunch I’ve ever come across. It’s amazing how many of you are worried about Matt’s feelings, rather than being angry with the guy. Maybe they just grow ‘em different down there? If that happened in a city that actually cares about baseball, he would never live it down. Whatever. Between the empty seats and the lack of actually giving a crap, it’s no wonder Atlanta is known as one of the worst sports cities in America.

Mr. Enigma

September 30th, 2009
10:53 pm

“I prepared for Donnelly to throw a cutter in the dirt, because he tends to do that. I saw the ball get away from Paulino, so I broke to the plate. But then I saw the ball didn’t get far away, so I was going back. But then, Paulino started running away from the ball, so I started thinking about it. And when you start thinking about it, you’re done.”

– Matt Diaz

jeffrey d

September 30th, 2009
10:53 pm

a Nerf gun wouldn’t kill you…

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:54 pm

I feel that one can …

- Paul Lentz

:roll: Here we go again!

a643dp

September 30th, 2009
10:54 pm

Everbody including myself need o take a step back and look at the Braves and say it would be a disrespect to the game for the Braves to make the playoffs. Its the MLB not the NBA the best teams make the playoffs and we are not even remotely in the same class as the rockies this year. The Braves have a great shot at the WC or even the division next year.

rico carty

September 30th, 2009
10:54 pm

mixxo, beg to differ. We were dominant in 95. Had to start the division series on road at Colorado, and Chipper hits the big HR in the 9th even though Maddux didn’t have his best stuff. Seize that series by winning first 2 on the road. Then, during the NLCS, we had to start at Cincy even though we had the better record (before they awarded home field advantage based on record). We won two close, hard fought games on the road, Maddux dominated Game 3 and we blew them out in 4. Totally dominated them. then, had a full week to set the rotation, and had Maddux and Glavine pitching in WS 1 and 2. Timely hitting, good defense (Javy picking off runner, Manny I think) and we’re up 2-0. Clutch hitting by Justice and Klesko get us Game 4. We were a little lucky in Game 6 with the sole HR being the difference, but we absolutely were the best team and played great baseball that entire postseason. Went 11-3. Totally dominant, the best team in baseball that year.

The sad thing is, it’s 14 years later and still clinging to that magical Saturday night.

Mixxo

September 30th, 2009
10:55 pm

Soph –

Our outlook for the Fall sports season suddenly takes on a darker pallor.

Braves – all but finished
Dawgs – mediocre at best
Falcons – see Dawgs

Jurrjens4NLCY

September 30th, 2009
10:55 pm

a Nerf gun wouldn’t kill you…

If it were shot in your blood stream it would…

Rock On......

September 30th, 2009
10:55 pm

Doc….ha ha, yeah I could have come up with more than 20. Just thought that sounded enough. I counted 14 K’s in our first 21 at bats tonight. Think about that one. Vazquez was apparently off a bit tonight. Lots of factors but of course njbraves wants to lay it all on Diaz. Yeah right.

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