N8 – you’re right about the 2 runs in the 1st inning, before Chip’s homer. Still, a homer in the 3rd inning with a 2-run lead in a playoff-type game is still a BIG hit. The shutout doesn’t make it less important.
Jake youre correct….its more like 15 miles from downtown Miami, but farther from Kendall/Gables area. Jersey, you could be right re: the naming issue; dont recall. The other issue of course is the weather (not just rainy but hot as you know what, and humid. New stadium is domed I believe, if there is marked increase in attendance, no way to know how much due to dome vs. location.
Nice post at 11:23 this am. I’m not complaining. A few tweaks here & there & this team looks golden for next year. And hey, we get the deficit down to 2 by the start of Friday’s games, and we’re in for one exciting weekend. Whether or not we make the playoffs is moot, because we’ve been the best team the NL for 3 months record wise, and optimism breeds for next year…
I vote no to Hargrove. You think people bitch about underachieving teams? Look at his Indians teams in the 90s. Not that blog opinion should be counted, but he’s not enough of a difference-maker to warrant listening to all of that crap…
Plus, he quit on his team in Seattle in 2007. In the middle of a 45-33 season, after a 7-game win streak. I also just read that said Ichiro would be no better than a 4th outfielder.
If Turner Field were Nawth of Atlanta attendance would be much higher. Folks inside the perimeter are from Japan, India, and South Mississippi, and don’t give a rat’z azz.
Lotza folks, especially older ones, are terrified of the Big-A at night. There’d be more elderly and young folk at games in a closer, safer, environment. Most attendees come from
Nawth of the city. The ones to the South ain’t got no cash.
I live in Denver and can understand why the Rockies have higher attendance. The ballpark is in a great downtown location that is is easy to walk, take light rail, take a bus, or drive to. The area around the park has been redeveloped and is full of bars and restaurants and lofts and shops. It’s safe and fun. (amicusterrae)
Just borrowing this one…about my feelings aboutlast night!
The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the BRAVES Nine that day;
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play,
And then when JOHNSON died at first, and NORTON did the same,
A sickly silence fell upon the patrons of the game.
A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, if only CHIPPER could get but a whack at that -
We’d put up even money, now, with CHIPPER at the bat.
But McLOUTH preceded Casey, as did also MARTIN PRADO,
And the former was a lulu and the latter was a bado;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat,
For there seemed but little chance of CHIPPER’S getting to the bat.
But McLOUTH let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And PRADO, the much belov-ed, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and the men saw what had occurred,
There was PRADO safe at second and McLOUTH a-hugging third.
Then from 50,000 throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It knocked upon the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For CHIPPER, mighty CHIPPER, was advancing to the bat.
There was ease in CHIPPER’S manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in CHIPPER’S bearing and a smile on CHIPPER’S face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt ’twas CHIPPER at the bat.
Hundred thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt;
Fifty thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance gleamed in CHIPPER’S eye, a sneer curled CHIPPER’S lip.
And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And CHIPPER stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped-
“That ain’t my style,” said CHIPPER. “Strike one,” the umpire said.
From the benches, dank with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore.
“Kill him! Kill the umpire!” shouted someone on the stand;
And it’s likely they’d a-killed him had not CHIPPER raised his hand
With a smile of Christian charity great CHIPPER’S visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the spheroid flew;
But CHIPPER still ignored it, and the umpire said, “Strike two.”
“Fraud!” cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered fraud;
But one scornful look from CHIPPER and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that CHIPPERwouldn’t let that ball go by again.
The sneer is gone from CHIPPER’S lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of CHIPPER’S blow.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in ATLANTA— mighty CHIPPER has struck out.
Upcoming FA’s: Tim Hudson, Garret Anderson, Adam Laroche, Greg Norton, Rafael Soriano, and Mike Gonzalez. To be honest I’d let every one of them leave (except Laroche) offering arb to Soriano and Gonzo which will give the Braves two type A FA’s.
Targeted players to sign: Adam Laroche, and two relievers like: Brandon Lyon, Fernando Rodney, John Grabow, Rafael Betancourt, Latroy Hawkins, Billy Wagner, Takashi Saito, Jose Valverde, JJ Putz, and Trevor Hoffman. Sign two of them in the range of 3-4mill/per year an you’re solid.
Also there are going to be a couple of non-tender candidates: Ryan Church, and Kelly Johnson, and they’ll need a good pinch hitter. Maybe they should non-tender Church, sign Mark Kotsay(to be a bench player), and Eric Hinske.
I’ve never been afraid in the area around turner field before or after a game. Would I stroll around down there alone at night when the braves weren’t in town? Absolutely not but during/after/before a game? You buncha pansies.
I can’t believe all the people citing the 15 and 3 stretch as evidence that there are no problems whatsoever with the line-up.
We were playing the Mets and Nationals. Give them credit for finally beating inferior teams for once if you want to but the three times they faced good pitching they couldn’t do $***.
Still no reason to possibly experiment with the line-up at all? No?
is it me or does it take anyone else 3 clicks to navigate anywhere on AJC.com. We may have the cheapest paper/website in the country. I know the one I get to the house just keeps getting thinner and thinner but adding more crap and crap.
Mitchell: “I can’t believe all the people citing the 15 and 3 stretch as evidence that there are no problems whatsoever with the line-up. We were playing the Mets and Nationals. Give them credit for finally beating inferior teams for once if you want to but the three times they faced good pitching they couldn’t do…”
I don’t think anyone is saying this lineup doesn’t have any problems. But the FACT of the matter is that since the all-star break, the Braves lead the NL in runs scored… and they’re 3rd in the league in post-all-star HR’s and team AVG.
And that offensive success really goes back to June 28th, when this excellent stretch of baseball began. About 1/2 of a season has passed since that date. This is NOT a substandard offense. This is a very GOOD offense.
Can it improve? CERTAINLY. Should it be improved this winter? Of course… and it will be, I’m positive. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Braves have been one of, if not THE best offensive team in the NL over the past 80+ games.
Replace Garrett Anderson with Jason Heyward next year, resign LaRoche, and the offense will be in good shape for next year. Now IF they get a chance to add a big RIGHT-handed bat… that would make this lineup that much better. But even if they don’t, I won’t be worried.
I’m not going to knock Matt Diaz so much as I’m going to knock the WHOLE BRAVES TEAM when it comes to “knowing how to run the bases”. It’s like a freaking virus that the whole freaking team got this year.
Simply put, that blunder right there is the reason why we are not going to make the playoffs. Not because of that single play……..but because of our inability to run the bases with any intelligence.
I remember last month when Chipper Jones was at third, and Brian McCann at second…..Chipper was in a run down between third and home……Chipper was trying to give McCann enough time to go to third………yet McCann goes back to second, lol.
I’ve never seen a Braves team that made as many blunders running the bases as the 2009 Braves. Yet according to some on here, it’s not the manager’s job to “teach fundamentals or even go over them in practice”. I guess that the only job of a manager is to “stay positive and calm”, lol. If that is the case, Tony Robbins should get into managing, lol.
Enter your comments here FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THOUGHT THE MARLINS WOULD BE FLAT BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT OF CONTENTION, GUESS WHAT..THEY STILL HAD SOME PRIDE, UNLIKE THE BRAVES, WHO WERE THINKING ABOUT “HUNTING AND FISHING” AND GOLF, AND OBVIOUSLY DID NOT WANT TO PLAY BASEBALL ANYMORE. NEITHER DID THEIR COACH, WHO PUTS IN A 130 HITTER WHEN HE HAD BETTER OPTIONS ON THE BENCH. SO NOW THEY CAN GO GET THE REST THEY DO NOT DESERVE. JUST NOT ENOUGH EFFORT PUT INTO THE LATE GAMES. THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL.
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Nova Scotia Steve - Fight Like A Brave
September 30th, 2009
2:42 pm
Random comment here…How about Mike Hargrove as a replacement for Bobby Cox.
That’s if he doesn’t get a job for 2010…which is prolly will
Mixxo
September 30th, 2009
2:42 pm
Bobby’s Cox –
My sentiments exactly on your 2:34.
Daslied
September 30th, 2009
2:43 pm
N8 – you’re right about the 2 runs in the 1st inning, before Chip’s homer. Still, a homer in the 3rd inning with a 2-run lead in a playoff-type game is still a BIG hit. The shutout doesn’t make it less important.
NO MORE BOBBY
September 30th, 2009
2:46 pm
COME TO TURNER FIELD TONIGHT BRAVES FANS!!!!!!!!!
Pete
September 30th, 2009
2:46 pm
Jake youre correct….its more like 15 miles from downtown Miami, but farther from Kendall/Gables area. Jersey, you could be right re: the naming issue; dont recall. The other issue of course is the weather (not just rainy but hot as you know what, and humid. New stadium is domed I believe, if there is marked increase in attendance, no way to know how much due to dome vs. location.
Bobby's Cox
September 30th, 2009
2:48 pm
Lew,
Nice post at 11:23 this am. I’m not complaining. A few tweaks here & there & this team looks golden for next year. And hey, we get the deficit down to 2 by the start of Friday’s games, and we’re in for one exciting weekend. Whether or not we make the playoffs is moot, because we’ve been the best team the NL for 3 months record wise, and optimism breeds for next year…
Daslied
September 30th, 2009
2:49 pm
I vote no to Hargrove. You think people bitch about underachieving teams? Look at his Indians teams in the 90s. Not that blog opinion should be counted, but he’s not enough of a difference-maker to warrant listening to all of that crap…
Plus, he quit on his team in Seattle in 2007. In the middle of a 45-33 season, after a 7-game win streak. I also just read that said Ichiro would be no better than a 4th outfielder.
Louis
September 30th, 2009
2:51 pm
DOB –
What are your thoughts on Chipper bunting in the 9th with the tying run on 1st, 0 outs?
Shamus Thacker
September 30th, 2009
2:53 pm
If Turner Field were Nawth of Atlanta attendance would be much higher. Folks inside the perimeter are from Japan, India, and South Mississippi, and don’t give a rat’z azz.
Lotza folks, especially older ones, are terrified of the Big-A at night. There’d be more elderly and young folk at games in a closer, safer, environment. Most attendees come from
Nawth of the city. The ones to the South ain’t got no cash.
BL
September 30th, 2009
2:53 pm
I live in Denver and can understand why the Rockies have higher attendance. The ballpark is in a great downtown location that is is easy to walk, take light rail, take a bus, or drive to. The area around the park has been redeveloped and is full of bars and restaurants and lofts and shops. It’s safe and fun. (amicusterrae)
Sounds just like Turner Field!
Joe D. loves Marilyn (and still BELIEVES...)
September 30th, 2009
2:56 pm
Just borrowing this one…about my feelings aboutlast night!
The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the BRAVES Nine that day;
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play,
And then when JOHNSON died at first, and NORTON did the same,
A sickly silence fell upon the patrons of the game.
A straggling few got up to go in deep despair. The rest
Clung to that hope which springs eternal in the human breast;
They thought, if only CHIPPER could get but a whack at that -
We’d put up even money, now, with CHIPPER at the bat.
But McLOUTH preceded Casey, as did also MARTIN PRADO,
And the former was a lulu and the latter was a bado;
So upon that stricken multitude grim melancholy sat,
For there seemed but little chance of CHIPPER’S getting to the bat.
But McLOUTH let drive a single, to the wonderment of all,
And PRADO, the much belov-ed, tore the cover off the ball;
And when the dust had lifted, and the men saw what had occurred,
There was PRADO safe at second and McLOUTH a-hugging third.
Then from 50,000 throats and more there rose a lusty yell;
It rumbled through the valley, it rattled in the dell;
It knocked upon the mountain and recoiled upon the flat,
For CHIPPER, mighty CHIPPER, was advancing to the bat.
There was ease in CHIPPER’S manner as he stepped into his place;
There was pride in CHIPPER’S bearing and a smile on CHIPPER’S face.
And when, responding to the cheers, he lightly doffed his hat,
No stranger in the crowd could doubt ’twas CHIPPER at the bat.
Hundred thousand eyes were on him as he rubbed his hands with dirt;
Fifty thousand tongues applauded when he wiped them on his shirt.
Then while the writhing pitcher ground the ball into his hip,
Defiance gleamed in CHIPPER’S eye, a sneer curled CHIPPER’S lip.
And now the leather-covered sphere came hurtling through the air,
And CHIPPER stood a-watching it in haughty grandeur there.
Close by the sturdy batsman the ball unheeded sped-
“That ain’t my style,” said CHIPPER. “Strike one,” the umpire said.
From the benches, dank with people, there went up a muffled roar,
Like the beating of the storm-waves on a stern and distant shore.
“Kill him! Kill the umpire!” shouted someone on the stand;
And it’s likely they’d a-killed him had not CHIPPER raised his hand
With a smile of Christian charity great CHIPPER’S visage shone;
He stilled the rising tumult; he bade the game go on;
He signaled to the pitcher, and once more the spheroid flew;
But CHIPPER still ignored it, and the umpire said, “Strike two.”
“Fraud!” cried the maddened thousands, and echo answered fraud;
But one scornful look from CHIPPER and the audience was awed.
They saw his face grow stern and cold, they saw his muscles strain,
And they knew that CHIPPERwouldn’t let that ball go by again.
The sneer is gone from CHIPPER’S lip, his teeth are clenched in hate;
He pounds with cruel violence his bat upon the plate.
And now the pitcher holds the ball, and now he lets it go,
And now the air is shattered by the force of CHIPPER’S blow.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in ATLANTA— mighty CHIPPER has struck out.
BUT I STILL BELIEVE…
Pete
September 30th, 2009
2:57 pm
BL there must be 2 Turner Fields….obviously Ive been going to the wrong one all these years LOL (I know youre being as sarcastic as I am)
Mid Town Joe
September 30th, 2009
2:58 pm
Eye here ewe Shamus, I hate parking at Turner Field. There are so many predators in and around the stadium. Especially under the interstate bridge.
cabravesfan
September 30th, 2009
2:58 pm
why does the blog hate me?
David O'Brien
September 30th, 2009
2:59 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE
Tomas
September 30th, 2009
3:01 pm
Upcoming FA’s: Tim Hudson, Garret Anderson, Adam Laroche, Greg Norton, Rafael Soriano, and Mike Gonzalez. To be honest I’d let every one of them leave (except Laroche) offering arb to Soriano and Gonzo which will give the Braves two type A FA’s.
Targeted players to sign: Adam Laroche, and two relievers like: Brandon Lyon, Fernando Rodney, John Grabow, Rafael Betancourt, Latroy Hawkins, Billy Wagner, Takashi Saito, Jose Valverde, JJ Putz, and Trevor Hoffman. Sign two of them in the range of 3-4mill/per year an you’re solid.
Also there are going to be a couple of non-tender candidates: Ryan Church, and Kelly Johnson, and they’ll need a good pinch hitter. Maybe they should non-tender Church, sign Mark Kotsay(to be a bench player), and Eric Hinske.
Shamus Thacker
September 30th, 2009
3:01 pm
BL: It’s safe and fun.”"
BL, all those things are safe and fun here too, if you’re packin’ a mini-Howitzer with a laser-sight.
RHR
September 30th, 2009
3:09 pm
I’ve never been afraid in the area around turner field before or after a game. Would I stroll around down there alone at night when the braves weren’t in town? Absolutely not but during/after/before a game? You buncha pansies.
Mitchell
September 30th, 2009
3:16 pm
I can’t believe all the people citing the 15 and 3 stretch as evidence that there are no problems whatsoever with the line-up.
We were playing the Mets and Nationals. Give them credit for finally beating inferior teams for once if you want to but the three times they faced good pitching they couldn’t do $***.
Still no reason to possibly experiment with the line-up at all? No?
Hey, at least we got more hits than Monday night.
DAP
September 30th, 2009
3:48 pm
mitchellI can’t believe all the people citing the 15 and 3 stretch as evidence that there are no problems whatsoever with the line-up.
how about 52-31? thats a good sample size, hunh? not saying there is nothing wrong with the offense, but this team is pretty good as is.
BL
September 30th, 2009
3:50 pm
is it me or does it take anyone else 3 clicks to navigate anywhere on AJC.com. We may have the cheapest paper/website in the country. I know the one I get to the house just keeps getting thinner and thinner but adding more crap and crap.
Random
September 30th, 2009
4:12 pm
Nova Scotia Steve (September 30th, 2009 2:42 pm): “Random comment here…How about Mike Hargrove as a replacement for Bobby Cox.”
“Random” response here — isn’t Mike Hargrove the pitiful lackwit (per Robert) that Cox outmanaged in the 95 WS?
Isn’t he on Robert’s short list of who all should NOT be allowed to mmanage the Braves?
(Along with Bobby Valentine and Cox himself — and I think that’s all.)
Joe With Shoes On
September 30th, 2009
4:53 pm
Here’s another possibility: Rockies win all their games, win the West, and the Braves then have the Wild Card.
KC
September 30th, 2009
6:27 pm
Mitchell: “I can’t believe all the people citing the 15 and 3 stretch as evidence that there are no problems whatsoever with the line-up. We were playing the Mets and Nationals. Give them credit for finally beating inferior teams for once if you want to but the three times they faced good pitching they couldn’t do…”
I don’t think anyone is saying this lineup doesn’t have any problems. But the FACT of the matter is that since the all-star break, the Braves lead the NL in runs scored… and they’re 3rd in the league in post-all-star HR’s and team AVG.
And that offensive success really goes back to June 28th, when this excellent stretch of baseball began. About 1/2 of a season has passed since that date. This is NOT a substandard offense. This is a very GOOD offense.
Can it improve? CERTAINLY. Should it be improved this winter? Of course… and it will be, I’m positive. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Braves have been one of, if not THE best offensive team in the NL over the past 80+ games.
Replace Garrett Anderson with Jason Heyward next year, resign LaRoche, and the offense will be in good shape for next year. Now IF they get a chance to add a big RIGHT-handed bat… that would make this lineup that much better. But even if they don’t, I won’t be worried.
Paul Lentz
September 30th, 2009
10:16 pm
I’m not going to knock Matt Diaz so much as I’m going to knock the WHOLE BRAVES TEAM when it comes to “knowing how to run the bases”. It’s like a freaking virus that the whole freaking team got this year.
Simply put, that blunder right there is the reason why we are not going to make the playoffs. Not because of that single play……..but because of our inability to run the bases with any intelligence.
I remember last month when Chipper Jones was at third, and Brian McCann at second…..Chipper was in a run down between third and home……Chipper was trying to give McCann enough time to go to third………yet McCann goes back to second, lol.
I’ve never seen a Braves team that made as many blunders running the bases as the 2009 Braves. Yet according to some on here, it’s not the manager’s job to “teach fundamentals or even go over them in practice”. I guess that the only job of a manager is to “stay positive and calm”, lol. If that is the case, Tony Robbins should get into managing, lol.
Dorothy Davis
October 1st, 2009
11:19 am
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Dorothy Davis
October 1st, 2009
11:24 am
Enter your comments here FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THOUGHT THE MARLINS WOULD BE FLAT BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT OF CONTENTION, GUESS WHAT..THEY STILL HAD SOME PRIDE, UNLIKE THE BRAVES, WHO WERE THINKING ABOUT “HUNTING AND FISHING” AND GOLF, AND OBVIOUSLY DID NOT WANT TO PLAY BASEBALL ANYMORE. NEITHER DID THEIR COACH, WHO PUTS IN A 130 HITTER WHEN HE HAD BETTER OPTIONS ON THE BENCH. SO NOW THEY CAN GO GET THE REST THEY DO NOT DESERVE. JUST NOT ENOUGH EFFORT PUT INTO THE LATE GAMES. THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL.