abwright………..Peter Moylan and Garret Anderson are the only 2 people that Bobby stuck with that actually turned out to be good moves.
If you were to “add” the impact of Bobby sticking with Moylan and Garret…and “subtract” the negative impact that sticking with Jeff Bennett (until he broke his hand), Jeff Francoeur (until Frank Wren traded him), Kelly Johnson (until his injury opened the door for Prado), and Greg Norton (whom Bobby has stuck with all year long) has caused the Braves……..then I’m sure that you’ll get a “net” negative impact on the Braves of Bobby sticking with “his boys”.
I was wrong about Moylan. I admitted that at the start of the month. He’s made up for his abysmal first couple of months of the season. I still think that Moylan should have started the first part of the year on a rehab assignment in Triple A.
I thought it was RICHMOND 38 – V.M.I. 28. The KEYDETS hung 28 on the SPIDERS d, and were tough, tougher than MIKE LONDON’s troops thought they’d be. Hopefully, a lesson learned. Stop reading you press clippings, and concentrate on my wife’s SPANISH classes, err, football.
P. W. Hjort…….your 9:34pm posting is making you look worse and worse.
Those 2 games that we blew against the Rockies in the 4 game series right before the All-Star Break cost us 2 games as far as being behind the Phillies is concerned.
However, those 2 games cost us 4 games in the standings with the Rockies. With those 2 losses, not only did we lose 2 games……the Rockies didnt lose 2 games. That is a NET LOSS OF 4.
Let me ask you this….lets say that it’s the beginning of the season. The Braves and Rockies start a 4 game series with 0-0 record. Obviously that means we are tied. If we split the series, then both of us would be 2-2, still tied.
However, if we sweep them (which we should have done right before the All-Star Break….if you watched those games, then you would know why)………then we would be 4-0 while the Rockies would be 0-4….which would put us 4 games ahead of them in the Wild Card Standings.
How hard is that to understand? Right now we are 3 losses behind the Rockies. If we win those 2 games we gave away…….then we would be 1 game ahead of the Rockies in the Wild Card. So knowing that, again I ask……..how is that not a 4 game swing in the Wild Card Standings?
P. W. Hjort………..my point all along is that we should have swept that 4 game series…….we played good enough to win all 4 games. However, Bobby Cox blew the 1st and 4th games of that series. That is why I keep insisting that we should have won all 4 games.
Also, here is another example of Bobby mismanaging a game. Who can forget Bobby bringing in Jeff Bennett in the bottom of the 9th inning of the last game of the Red Sox series? As soon as I saw Bennett trotting out there, I knew the game was not going to go to extra innings.
I think Molina was hit in the leg with a foul ball. I’m listening on radio, so I’m fuzzy on the details. He continued catching for a couple more pitches, but the Cards pulled him when he limped out to the mound to talk to Wainwright.
BTW. Rockies have a man on second with no one out in the bottom of the 6th.
When asked about which manager he has played for was the best at managing the game as far as strategy was concerned……..Jason Marquis said “Jim Tracy and Tony LaRussa”.
Steve from OH………I never said that Garret was good. He’s been decent for us. Given what we are paying him ($2.5 mil)……he’s been a bargain compared to the $2.825 mil that we are paying Kelly Johnson.
Meanwhile…………….YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Homer by LaRue for the Cards…….4-3 top of the 7th.
While Matt Stairs has struggled with the average this year pinch hitting……he does have 5 homers and 17 RBIs………with 4 pinch hit homers. Plus Stairs has 22 walks….vs. Norton’s 18.
Stairs’ low average can be tolerated because of his threat to hit the long ball. The 4 pinch hit homers are a testament to that. However, Greg Norton couldnt hit his way our of a paper bag.
I’ve got it. In home games when NORTON comes up to pinch-hit, folks should break out paper-bags and put them on over their faces ala the NEW ORLEANS AINT’S.
How hard is that to understand? Right now we are 3 losses behind the Rockies. If we win those 2 games we gave away…….then we would be 1 game ahead of the Rockies in the Wild Card. So knowing that, again I ask……..how is that not a 4 game swing in the Wild Card Standings?
Again, you’re comparing the two games we lost to a what if scenario had we won when really, you need to be comparing it to where we were. Say the two games of the series are rained out and they’re were to be played this afternoon before the Rockies played. The Braves would be 84-68 and the Rockies would be 85-67. A 1-game deficit. Then, the Braves lose both of the games. They’re 84-70 and the Rockies are 87-67. A 3-game deficit. I get what you’re saying, I really do. You’re saying that if the Braves win those two games, they’re 86-68 and the Rockies are 85-69, a 1-game lead for the Braves. But that’s hypothetical and doesn’t represent a “swing in the standings”, it represents a “swing in the what could have been standings”. I don’t find that productive.
richbrave–I think that Carpenter, Vazquez and Lincecum should all get long looks. Wainwright probably as well will get a good long look from voters b/c of his great W/L record.
Gun to my head, I tenatively say Lincecum. But I can be persuaded. No clear-cut answer.
wow..if the st. louis score holds its crazy to think the braves could have been 1.5 games out had they not lost in the bottom of the 9th last night…i swear if the season was a week longer i’d say the braves had a legit shot at the playoffs..and being the hottest team on the planet right now if they squeeked in they might have a chase at a rockiesque run to the championship….
Paul Lentz seems to me to be an extremely knowledgeable individual and tells stuff as they are. I dont know why you folks have been picking on him. I have read all his comments today and he is spot on with every one of them. Get a life folks, without Paul Lentz this blog is pretty useless.
P. W. Hjort………Regardless, those 2 losses to the Rockies are really critical right now. Instead of having to play good ball down the stretch to get into the playoffs……..we have to play GREAT BALL down the stretch to even have a chance to make the playoffs.
I’m just saying that if Bobby Cox did a better job of managing (and of not standing by Greg Norton as a pinch hitter)……..then the Braves would have a much better record than we do now. Instead, we have to rely on help from others.
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009 10:32 pm
Go Adam!
Do dit do dup DO!
Go Adam!
Do dit dut DO
Your a one and only pitcher!
With a one and only taste! (Giggidy!)
I like the things you do because your great!
Adam Wainwright is more than good, He’s great!
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richbrave
September 26th, 2009
9:54 pm
Enter your comments here
Soph
September 26th, 2009
9:55 pm
What the heck happened to UGA?
Ugh, even worse – what happened to the Cards?!
abwright
September 26th, 2009
9:56 pm
Cards 3, Rockies 3, bottom of the fifth. Man on first, no outs.
Phillies 5, Brewers 5, top of the ninth. None on, no outs.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
9:57 pm
abwright………..Peter Moylan and Garret Anderson are the only 2 people that Bobby stuck with that actually turned out to be good moves.
If you were to “add” the impact of Bobby sticking with Moylan and Garret…and “subtract” the negative impact that sticking with Jeff Bennett (until he broke his hand), Jeff Francoeur (until Frank Wren traded him), Kelly Johnson (until his injury opened the door for Prado), and Greg Norton (whom Bobby has stuck with all year long) has caused the Braves……..then I’m sure that you’ll get a “net” negative impact on the Braves of Bobby sticking with “his boys”.
I was wrong about Moylan. I admitted that at the start of the month. He’s made up for his abysmal first couple of months of the season. I still think that Moylan should have started the first part of the year on a rehab assignment in Triple A.
Zebra Club
September 26th, 2009
9:58 pm
The Cardinals suck.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
9:59 pm
Soph I thought you really died in that sky diving accident.
No need to panic…both games are tied.
Vinings Jim
September 26th, 2009
10:00 pm
Now, the final score everyone has been waiting for – William and Mary 30, Delaware 20.
Why is Paul Lentz still here?
September 26th, 2009
10:00 pm
Why?
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:01 pm
Thank you abwrite
Zebra Club
September 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
Who would you rather have, Wainwright or Jurrjens?
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:02 pm
Can we stop it with the whole “Garret Anderson is good” thought, please? He’s not good.
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:03 pm
No, no. I survived so no need to panic. Both teams were winning earlier though. UGA, I’m fine either way – I was just surprised. Boo.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:05 pm
VJ:
I thought it was RICHMOND 38 – V.M.I. 28. The KEYDETS hung 28 on the SPIDERS d, and were tough, tougher than MIKE LONDON’s troops thought they’d be. Hopefully, a lesson learned. Stop reading you press clippings, and concentrate on my wife’s SPANISH classes, err, football.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:05 pm
P. W. Hjort…….your 9:34pm posting is making you look worse and worse.
Those 2 games that we blew against the Rockies in the 4 game series right before the All-Star Break cost us 2 games as far as being behind the Phillies is concerned.
However, those 2 games cost us 4 games in the standings with the Rockies. With those 2 losses, not only did we lose 2 games……the Rockies didnt lose 2 games. That is a NET LOSS OF 4.
Let me ask you this….lets say that it’s the beginning of the season. The Braves and Rockies start a 4 game series with 0-0 record. Obviously that means we are tied. If we split the series, then both of us would be 2-2, still tied.
However, if we sweep them (which we should have done right before the All-Star Break….if you watched those games, then you would know why)………then we would be 4-0 while the Rockies would be 0-4….which would put us 4 games ahead of them in the Wild Card Standings.
How hard is that to understand? Right now we are 3 losses behind the Rockies. If we win those 2 games we gave away…….then we would be 1 game ahead of the Rockies in the Wild Card. So knowing that, again I ask……..how is that not a 4 game swing in the Wild Card Standings?
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
I think the UGA fans and the credibility of our institution could do without the cuts to those guys in their underwear.
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:06 pm
Congrats again, VJ!
McFann ;Ô;
September 26th, 2009
10:07 pm
Anybody know what happened to Molina? There’s nothing on the Cardinals’ “Official Site”…
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
Im back….
a643dp
September 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
I think I saw TP in he Cardinals dugout something about an 85 Cardinals reunion. I think he was giving the Cardinals hitting tips.
a643dp
September 26th, 2009
10:08 pm
McFann ;Ô;,
Foul ball off knee day to day
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:09 pm
JIMENEZ at 94 pitches through 6. WAINWRIGHT at that same number through 5.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:09 pm
I hope Tebow’s okay. I want Florida to lose, but not like this.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:10 pm
P. W. Hjort………..my point all along is that we should have swept that 4 game series…….we played good enough to win all 4 games. However, Bobby Cox blew the 1st and 4th games of that series. That is why I keep insisting that we should have won all 4 games.
Also, here is another example of Bobby mismanaging a game. Who can forget Bobby bringing in Jeff Bennett in the bottom of the 9th inning of the last game of the Red Sox series? As soon as I saw Bennett trotting out there, I knew the game was not going to go to extra innings.
abwright
September 26th, 2009
10:10 pm
I think Molina was hit in the leg with a foul ball. I’m listening on radio, so I’m fuzzy on the details. He continued catching for a couple more pitches, but the Cards pulled him when he limped out to the mound to talk to Wainwright.
BTW. Rockies have a man on second with no one out in the bottom of the 6th.
abwright
September 26th, 2009
10:11 pm
Brewers just walked it off against the Phillies, 7-5.
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:12 pm
Go Brew Crew!
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:12 pm
I wish I had ESPNU. These other games are really boring.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:12 pm
Hey SOPH:
What no love for the #1 ranked team in the FCS?
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:12 pm
C’mon Wainwright!
McFann ;Ô;
September 26th, 2009
10:13 pm
Thanks, a643dp and abwright! Yeah, those foul balls to the knee can’t be fun…Shin guards don’t really protect from that very well.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:13 pm
When asked about which manager he has played for was the best at managing the game as far as strategy was concerned……..Jason Marquis said “Jim Tracy and Tony LaRussa”.
What, no mention of Bobby Cox?
Vinings Jim
September 26th, 2009
10:13 pm
richbrave – I was shocked when I saw that score. We have ‘Nova next week – they rang up 56 points today.
abwright
September 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
Cards wriggle out of the sixth without giving up a run.
Top of the seventh, 3-3 score.
ChurchMan
September 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
at least the Braves are gaining on someone with these wins, Philly lost!
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:14 pm
Look at those Rockies. Can’t score with a leadoff double. Just don’t have that “sense of urgency” or that “killer instinct.”
They’re toast. Braves 2009! Woooo!
(Knock on wood)
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
Philly lost!
That boat sailed a long time ago.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
I’m starting to wish I didn’t have ESPNU right now
Vinings Jim
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
Larue!
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
lol richbrave, congrats your team too.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
VJ:
Home or away? They can be tough on the main-line.
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
YEEEEEEEEEES!
abwright
September 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
Jason Larue just unties the game with a lead off home. Cards lead 4-3.
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:16 pm
Did y’all see that? Jimenez SUCKSSSS.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:16 pm
Steve from OH………I never said that Garret was good. He’s been decent for us. Given what we are paying him ($2.5 mil)……he’s been a bargain compared to the $2.825 mil that we are paying Kelly Johnson.
Meanwhile…………….YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Homer by LaRue for the Cards…….4-3 top of the 7th.
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:16 pm
Cards up 4 – 3
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:16 pm
Wait, Cards just took the lead? I think…
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:16 pm
SOPH:
All is forgiven. Go thou and sin no more.
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:17 pm
Ok, I was so late. Thanks, yahoo.
Why is Paul Lentz still here?
September 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
If someone can answer that question, then I’ll give them a pony.
abwright
September 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
Florida beat the Mets, 9-6. Pesky Fish won’t go away.
Vinings Jim
September 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
richbrave – in Philly…
Brandon from Warner Robins
September 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
Didn’t Jason Marquis throw a tantrum about being sent to the bullpen and then traded? I don’t think anyone really cares what Marquis has to say.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
Steve from OH:
So your vote for JIMENEZ in the CY YOUNG is out?
McFann ;Ô;
September 26th, 2009
10:18 pm
Whoo-hoo!
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
I appreciate your kindness, richbrave. I’ll never make that mistake again.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
You’re killin us Joe…
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
VJ:
I believe we get them here this year. Good luck up there. You’ll need it.
Mixxo
September 26th, 2009
10:20 pm
Soph –
They did indeed, but my Dawgs are trying to give this one away…..dagnabbit!
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:20 pm
Wainwright doubles again!!
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:21 pm
SOPH:
Forgot to note that I remember that as a line from WALL STREET.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
No good!! Still tie ballgame
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:22 pm
richbrave–haven’t really given it any thought outside of Greinke in the AL. But probably not.
Rob from SC
September 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
Wainwright hits sbetter than Norton
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
While Matt Stairs has struggled with the average this year pinch hitting……he does have 5 homers and 17 RBIs………with 4 pinch hit homers. Plus Stairs has 22 walks….vs. Norton’s 18.
Stairs’ low average can be tolerated because of his threat to hit the long ball. The 4 pinch hit homers are a testament to that. However, Greg Norton couldnt hit his way our of a paper bag.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
SCHUMAKER’s batting .305. He’s un-horrible.
Rob from SC
September 26th, 2009
10:24 pm
If everything works out for the Braves, anyway Vazquez gets serious consideration for the CY YOUNG
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:24 pm
Rob from SC………….Rick Camp hits better than Greg Norton.
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:24 pm
No good!! Still tie ballgame
Congratulations.
rolltide1
September 26th, 2009
10:24 pm
cards need 6 big outs to close the deal
SRF
September 26th, 2009
10:25 pm
jeffrey_d – is your picture on ESPNU really grainy ? Not sure if my problem is ESPNU or Dish
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
I’ve got it. In home games when NORTON comes up to pinch-hit, folks should break out paper-bags and put them on over their faces ala the NEW ORLEANS AINT’S.
P. W. Hjort
September 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
How hard is that to understand? Right now we are 3 losses behind the Rockies. If we win those 2 games we gave away…….then we would be 1 game ahead of the Rockies in the Wild Card. So knowing that, again I ask……..how is that not a 4 game swing in the Wild Card Standings?
Again, you’re comparing the two games we lost to a what if scenario had we won when really, you need to be comparing it to where we were. Say the two games of the series are rained out and they’re were to be played this afternoon before the Rockies played. The Braves would be 84-68 and the Rockies would be 85-67. A 1-game deficit. Then, the Braves lose both of the games. They’re 84-70 and the Rockies are 87-67. A 3-game deficit. I get what you’re saying, I really do. You’re saying that if the Braves win those two games, they’re 86-68 and the Rockies are 85-69, a 1-game lead for the Braves. But that’s hypothetical and doesn’t represent a “swing in the standings”, it represents a “swing in the what could have been standings”. I don’t find that productive.
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
Paul Pentz,
Yoko Ono’s got more hits than Norton…
Mixxo
September 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
A.J. Green!!!
That is all.
Rob from SC
September 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
Vazquez should be the Cy Young winner
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:26 pm
SRF – No, the picture is fine for me.
Soph – Thanks…can’t tell if that’s legit or not.
AJ Green – You are incredible!
ChurchMan
September 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
If the Braves win out .. don’t lose another game the rest of the regular season … they deserve to go to the playoffs.
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
Uh-oh guys, PL had a brainwave! Greg Norton sucks, you say? No way!
Sounds like we got the next Branch Rickey on our hands. What an astounding synthesis of several complex baseball ideas!
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
What is LaRussa thinking? Leaving Wainright despite already throwing 104 pitches going into the 7th inning.
Bobby Cox would have taken him out. That is why LaRussa is the better manager.
Jimmy Joe
September 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
Okay! Braves are making progress. 7 more outs!
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
back to back great defensive plays
Go Cardinals!!
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
Wainwright starts off the seventh with 104 pitches to his credit. One more full inning likely.
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:28 pm
Hey now, that congrats was from the bottom of my heart. 110% legit.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
It had the same feel as McFann’s “Whoopee.” (or whatever she said) the other night.
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
richbrave–I think that Carpenter, Vazquez and Lincecum should all get long looks. Wainwright probably as well will get a good long look from voters b/c of his great W/L record.
Gun to my head, I tenatively say Lincecum. But I can be persuaded. No clear-cut answer.
Mixxo
September 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
My “Dixie” likes what she sees so far.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m46/mixineer/Dixie.jpg
lexbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
wow..if the st. louis score holds its crazy to think the braves could have been 1.5 games out had they not lost in the bottom of the 9th last night…i swear if the season was a week longer i’d say the braves had a legit shot at the playoffs..and being the hottest team on the planet right now if they squeeked in they might have a chase at a rockiesque run to the championship….
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
Oh please don’t miss this….
Cos
September 26th, 2009
10:30 pm
Paul Lentz seems to me to be an extremely knowledgeable individual and tells stuff as they are. I dont know why you folks have been picking on him. I have read all his comments today and he is spot on with every one of them. Get a life folks, without Paul Lentz this blog is pretty useless.
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:30 pm
McFann’s whoopie was fully legit as well. No more celebratory slang for you.
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
I have read all his comments today
Bless your soul. You must’ve just finished.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
P. W. Hjort………Regardless, those 2 losses to the Rockies are really critical right now. Instead of having to play good ball down the stretch to get into the playoffs……..we have to play GREAT BALL down the stretch to even have a chance to make the playoffs.
I’m just saying that if Bobby Cox did a better job of managing (and of not standing by Greg Norton as a pinch hitter)……..then the Braves would have a much better record than we do now. Instead, we have to rely on help from others.
Brandon from Warner Robins
September 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
Dawgs Win. Braves Win. Life is good……
Soph
September 26th, 2009
10:31 pm
I actually caught the end on ESPNews. Congrats, to all the Dawgs on here.
Mixxo – Dixie’s a cutie!
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
Walkoff FG! Not a pretty win but it’s a win!
Mixxo
September 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
Yeah baby!!!!!
What a game!
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
Go Adam!
Do dit do dup DO!
Go Adam!
Do dit dut DO
Your a one and only pitcher!
With a one and only taste! (Giggidy!)
I like the things you do because your great!
Adam Wainwright is more than good, He’s great!
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
110 through seven. Does Wainwright come up in the top of the eighth? We’ll see. If he does I’ll be a happy man.
Paul Lentz
September 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
ChurchMan……deserve aint got nothing to do with it. We could very well win out and still miss the playoffs.
However, if we do win out, I feel that we will get in. We just need some help for other teams to beat the Rockies.
Rob from SC
September 26th, 2009
10:33 pm
Paul Lentz
Every team has multiple games they shoulld have won during the year that they don’t. Just enjoy the way we are playing.