I agree about the homefield advantage but in another view from the Cardinals if the Phillies get the better record they get to play the Rockies. Right now the Cards are 0-5 against COL (the Rockies have defeated the big three SPs in those 5 games). Ownership will want the extra game but if Tony had a choice I think he would want to play LAD (6-2 against) the Cards against PHL are (3-4). Teams dont quit but they will rest the best players for a benefit. Dont be supprised if SF wins tonight Big Pujols has a game or 2 off.
“Oh, this is fun,” Cox said. “More than you can imagine. It’s the best time you ever have in your career, the September run to the playoffs and the World Series … it’s incredibly fun. It gets the hair raising on your arms.”
the half game will be made up (or lost) when the braves play their last game of the season. currently, colorado has played 1 more game than the braves to this point.
Man, 2 1/2 games back looks so much better than 3 1/2, but Atlanta is on a tear right now and the Rocks got the tougher schedule. It’ll be fun either way. It’ll last longer if we get in the playoffs, but we’re gonna have some fun with this regardless.
Are you talking about homefield for a one game playoff. They did away with the coin flip this year it is best head to head record now. So COL would host the playoff game. You can thank ole Gonzo for that hypothetical situation.
np man…we all gotta hope they get to that tiebreaker though. rockies are doing their best ‘07 impression of themselves.
did anybody else on here notice the lack of hustle from matt holliday? c’mon matt, why don’t you run like you did in that tiebreaker against the padres? help us out.
Are you watching the same Vasquez and Prado and Johnson as the rest of us??? I’m just sayin…the numbers don’t lie. Vasquez should have 20 wins with some luck and a little more offensive support, and, in case you haven’t noticed, Johnson is not having a good year at all. Without Prado’s additional offense, we might not be in sight of the Wild Card at all.
Are you watching the same Vasquez and Prado and Johnson as the rest of us??? I’m just sayin AJ
nolie was just being sarcastic in regards to what has often been said earlier this year. He does that at least once a day just to keep twisting the barb in those folks
Said I would, so I’ve gotta back it up. Javier Vazquez has himself a new member of his fanclub. Dude brought it from what I saw (first 6 innings then I left).
Biggest game of the year, and he delivered. To bad Chris Carpenter didn’t. LOL
All the Braves can do is win. If the Rockies don’t cooperate by losing, gotta tip your hat to them. Either way it’s pretty cool, and damn fun.
well it is Nate after all. Hard headed cuss much of the time. Better late than never.
Of course if Javy pitches here next season and slips back some, Nate will be on him like white on rice.
No time to take the foot off the throttle, now…So, the Braves now have some space / breathing room between them and the Giants & Marlins…
9,8,7, etc…the countdown begins…
And since we do not control our own destiny anymore…just continue to play solid ball. Everything else will continue to fall into place. Sweep the Nationals…and if (I really do not like to use this word…but…no choice now…) the Cardinals can get a win on Saturday or Sunday…(no way they get swept…right???)…come Sunday night…we will be no worse than 2 back in the loss column.
Rockies will have 6 games left…and the Braves will have 7. The pressure is all on Colorado. They had the big Wild Card lead and have let it slip right through their gloves / bats…
And down 2 with a week to go. Hell, I like our chances. Marlins will be out of it by Monday night…(more than likely)…and we need to handle them…(no worse than 2 out of 3 fellas’…) and the Rockies have to contend with a decent Brew crew for 3. Then off to L.A. for final 3. I certainly like our road to the promised land better than theirs…
Need to go out and take care of business Saturday afternoon…and let the Rockies see that we took care of our business…hours before they play. Same on Sunday. The pressure will be squarely on them. And I will take my chances with that better than average Cardinal pitching staff and line-up that the Rockies will see the rest of the weekend…
Thanks Moby. RHR, I’ve been a Vazquez fan all year. Last winter, I wasn’t sold on him. But quickly became a fan. I still stand by my stance that one of the 3 pitchers (Vazquez, KK or Lowe) wasn’t needed. That Hanson could have started the season in Atlanta and Hudson was on the way, and that 12 million dollars could have been spent on a bat.
But I’m not dumb enough to think that Vazquez wasn’t having a solid to incredible year. Just wasn’t sold on him in big games. I made a statement today that if he came up big tonight, I’d say I’m sold on him being a big game pitcher for us. He did. I did.
Also, to cut myself some slack. I had only seen 2 or 3 of his games all year (during the free Extra Innings periods at the beginning of season and around the all-star break – with a national broadcast or two mixed in), but spent the 14.95 on the “rest of the season” on the MLBtv package from mlb.com.
He looked outstanding and was in complete command.
I’ve been on record as saying I’d keep Hudson (because of track record and Vazquez’s higher trade value). I’ve also recently stated that if Wren doesn’t improve the infield defense, that Vazquez might be the better option over Hudson, since he’s a strikeout guy.
I’m on record right now, that I’ll support Wren whichever way he goes. He’s obviously not going to lock either of them up for 5 or 6 years. So as long as it’s 2 or 3 years (maybe with an option), they BOTH should be damn fine pitchers over that stretch.
If Wren can dump Lowe (the guy I wanted all along last winter), then hell! Lock both Vazquez and Hudson up for a few years and roll with it.
But I’ll back off Vazquez (even though I haven’t really been on him for months – just the trade itself and what I thought we should have used Flowers for).
But I don’t ever want to be accused of going back on my word. I might be an annoying, long-winded blogger, but I’m an honorable one. LOL
Yes Moby, if he is not traded, and has one of his 4.50 ERA seasons, I may be all over him, and all over the “I told you so” moment. But whether that happens or not, it can’t take away how good he’s been this year. No matter how much I like being right. Besides, I’d rather be wrong, and have a winning team. Surely you don’t think I’m one of the “hope we lose so I can gripe” guys?
Besides, I have zero problem griping when we win. I’ll gripe when I want!
just the trade itself and what I thought we should have used Flowers for) N8
I thought it was a great trade and still think so, I can’t think of anyone that Flowers could have brought back who would have been more of a help all season.I do admit that he is having an even better year than I thought he would have.
Speaking of Flowers, I see he had another very good year in the minors again. I liked him as a hitting prospect as I guess most all of us did. 200 in 10 AB since he came up. and really not all that bad a catcher but so big he might break down early back there. I think he should be a good DH for years. Of course Max Ramirez had some great minor league seasons and has yet to gel in the majors. You just never know. One of the things I love so much about baseball.
I guess I should clarify Moby. I’m not saying we for sure would have gotten more for Flowers. Considering we have McCann, if “all” we get is Vazquez for two years, Wren did alright, huh?
I just think Wren could have gotten a damn nice bat (either through free agency or via trade) for the some of the 11.5 million on Vazquez, the 15 million for Lowe, or the 8 million on KK, which would have given us another weapon for possibly 162 games, rather than the 34 or so games those pitchers contributed.
I’ve stated it before, and I realize that having solid pitching creates momentum and I’m not taking our pitching for granted. But say for instance that KK wasn’t signed. The Braves have gone 12-13 in his 25 starts.
Even had the Braves gone 0-25 when whoever would have replaced him starts (as highly unlikely as that would be), having a bat for 162 games in the middle of our order would have helped in the other 137 starts by other pitchers.
JJJ, KK and Vazquez have ALL pitched better than there records are, and better than the team record in their starts.
It’s all hindsight though. So I’ll move on. LOL
The other factor I should note that I get, is the innings that those guys pitched. Say for instance the team would have managed to win the same 12 games if somebody else (Medlen or even Glavine) had started instead of KK, Lowe or Vazquez, the bullpen would have certainly been more taxed, which could have resulted in losses in some games that the bullpen saved our butts. So I get that it’s not as black or white as just replacing KK with Medlen, and replacing Jeff early in the year with say Abreu or trading for a guy like Dye or somebody that would have made a difference with the offense.
Nobody really knows how it could have or would have turned out differently. Maybe we win 100 games and have the East locked up two weeks ago? Maybe the bullpen gets taxed, the hitter aquired gets hurt and we lose 100 games.
All I know, is going into next year we have “too much” pitching (for our payroll budget) and need another bat, maybe two. Which barring major injuries should make our fortunes easier, and the overall play of the team more balanced and consistent.
In a perfect world, LM raises payroll and we keep all the pitcher (in case of injury or somebody sucking), and still find a way to add a bat and then call up Heyward in June.
Wren’s got some work to do, and I have confident that he’ll do a good job fixing what needs to be fixed while giving us a great chance to succeed next year, sending Bobby out on a high note, while not sacrificing the future of the team.
Hell, just getting a rebound year from Chipper would go a LONG way towards making 2010 a better offensive unit.
So the cards let us down tonight. But everyone else had it taken care of. We just gotta keep running the table on these guys. We can pull this off. St. Louie gotta beat them tomorrow and sunday. I’m gonna be there next sunday!
Uga-Brave: Your post about Vazquez having played for a moron (Guillen) made me wonder could it be that Bobby Cox helped to bring out the best in this pitcher by the way he relates to and supports his players? And there seems to be a lot of people that condemn Bobby for sticking with players he believes in – could that be the reason we saw Martin Prado emerge as a solid player this year? Who cares what most of the naysayers write? In the end Bobby Cox is a Hall of Fame manager, but for now it’s exciting to be in the playoff hunt in 2009 thanks to the GREAT efforts of Mr. Wren, Mr. Cox, and my favorite team, The Atlanta Braves. Go Braves!
Who’s pitching today? Hanson? What’s the forecast? Rain? yea… Hanson is a “rain-man” 30% chance at game time then increases to 40% at 4 pm… then much worse later according to weather.com for DC. Taking the poncho to the game.
For everyone so concerned with getting a bat and giving up pitching to do so think of this. Next year Prado will have the everyday job. Escobar gets better every season. McLouth will be here fr the full season. Heyward’s arrival. Infante hopefully stays healthy.
You win with pitching.
We sucked in 08. Wren needed to fix the pitching, and he made the pitching great. He got rid of the hole in RF and will do the same thing with KJ. Can we sign Bay or Holliday, who knows. But if Heyward lives up to the hype (he will don’t worry) and Schafer does well in AAA, the O will be fine. If Wren can’t find power, go get speed. Speed and Pitching wins a lot of games.
Getting Braun would give us a power laden lineup in 2010. I just don’t want to give up JJ/Tommy/Javy/Heyward/Yunel/Huddy/Kimbrel/McCann/Nate. They can have anyone else.
How about Cody Johnson/Cole Rohrbough/Kelly Johnson fo Braun? Isn’t that enough? Maybe throw in Teheran.
I just don’t want to give up JJ/Tommy/Javy/Heyward/Yunel/Huddy/Kimbrel/McCann/Nate. They can have anyone else.
But then why would Milwaukee want to do the deal? They have fans too, right? They have baseball people in their front office who want the team to succeed so they can keep their job, right?
I agree with your earler post, this team has come together in the limited time as a unit. They have provided such excitement during the finals weeks here. No complaints here, only praise to Wren, Bobby and company for making all the effort to put the Braves back where they belong. Still believing…
If anyone really believes that trading Javy Vazquez is a sane thing to do-well, there’s damned little hope for you. He should be retained AND they should try to sign him (and I’ll bet they could) a good three year deal. Trading him at this point (unless the trade filled EVERY need we could anticipate) is just plain insane. If you aren’t convinced of this by now, I just don’t know what to say.
Pull the plug on SAN FRAN.’s life-support, they’re done. Five back with eight to play. Mathematical elimination is on the horizon.
It doesn’t look like the ROX are inclined to crack, so the BRAVES have to just keep chipping away with the consecutive wins until they do. Three down with nine to play. Looks like MILWAUKEE will be the ROCKIES’ MARLINS. Believe me the NATS and FISH would just LOVE to ruin our day. Can’t let it happen. We’re still weak enough to be had without that one big bat in the middle of the line-up. I gotta’ believe BC signed for one more round based on the organization doing whatever is necessary to bring home the bacon in 2010. BTW, is it just me, or does ROGER McDOWELL’s body of work suddenly seem vastly improved.
Lew, the man has made a believer out of me- I was one of those not expecting this. I don’t know if he is thrilled to have Bobby as his manager or if he is having a step out season. I’m just glad he is here.
Around here (RICHMOND, VA.), 30% is no chance. Neither is 40%. For a guarantee of precip., must hit 50%. We’re golden for a 1:00 game. Just take the pancho in case the rain we’re getting here now with our 40% chance comes you way, which it is sure to do eventually. Heh,heh.
I completely agree and have been saying what you are saying for awhile. Why trade your best pitcher? The dude has just been remarkably consistent all year.. Hopefully FW will find a creative way to keep he and Hudson and market KK or Lowe, Lowe’s contract looms like an Albatross right now around FW’s neck. But having too much pitching is a good problem to have! If JAvy has to go at least he’s driving up his trade value.
Just found out that an old buddy and ex-college classmate from Georgia College is on the Emmy Ballot in the Contemporary Blues category. His name is Dave Perkins and his CD is called Pistol City Holiness for any of you blues fans out there. Wish him luck.
Lew – whilst agreeing that Javy has been extremely good this year, the Braves do need to make a trade for a bat. We are in a position of strength in pitching, but looking at which of the 6 good starters could go Javy is the obvious candidate.
Javy has had a career year, hopefully he will continue, but he could regress, and his trade value now is as high as it could be on his current affordable contract.
JJJ and Tommy H are clearly staying for a long time and I cannot imagine any deal that see either of them leaving the club.
This leaves Lowe, who has a big contract for a relatively poor season and would have little value for a quality player.
Kenshin has to still prove himself in the majors, his stats look worse than he has pitched and I think he could be very good at the back of the rotation next year, but again could not see his trade value being high enough to attract an elite player.
Finally, Tim Hudson has no trade value, if the Braves do not pick up his contract he can leave as a FA. In theory we could negotiate a home town two or three year deal with him and then trade him, but I don’t see the Braves being that cold.
So although Javy has been stunning this year, sadly he seems to me to be the one member of our front line pitchers that is most likely to go in the off season to get that elite hitter that we need.
Joe (I helped the Braves make it...in 1982 homerun vs. Dodgers...last game...but I really suck as an announcer) Morgan...
September 26th, 2009 10:33 am
Braves will pull it out…
Rockies are not going to sweep the Cardinals…bet on it. The Braves are going to sweep the Nationals…so come late Sunday night…Braves will be no worse than 2 back in the loss column with one more week to go.
I’ve been inclined to agree. But it’s obvious, JAVY is busting his butt for a reason and not just pride, although being all you can be is important. It’s
1- a new contract or
2- a place long-term as a BRAVE.
I think he realizes all you and I and many have said. I think he doesn’t want to make the decision easy for the BRAVES. IMO, it’s not just the money, it’s the desire to be with the home-team.
RichBrave-Not too sure of much more than the name of the CD. I’ve only had email contact with him recently and we didn’t go into detail on his music-rather family news and the like. There’s a group of us who started GC together in 1968 and about 30 of us have recently formed a contact group. Most of us are still catching up and figuring out what happened to the rest of the old crowd. Dude’s a friend of Steve Earle and Jerry Jeff Walker if his Facebook list is to be believed. However, since he’s been a studio musician in Nashville for years, I tend to believe it. I’ve got another classmate who owns a N’Ville recording studio, too. Pretty cool if you’re as into music as I am.
Steve McP-AT the risk of setting nc scoots off again, the Braves could save $11mil by NOT exercising Hudson’s 2010 option. That way there would be no need to trade a starting pitcher.
I understand the money thing Lew, but who can we trade for an elite player if we do let Hudson walk? I don’t see any of our other tradeable players (i.e not Chipper, Esco or B-Mac) attracting much attention for a major piece.
SteveMcP-Dude, we have one of the best minor league systems in baseball and most of the rest of MLB is aware of this. We have pieces that could be traded for a younger player with power potential and that would give us the money to pay for him and bullpen additions (and a pinch hitter). Add LaRoche to the mix for an entire season and Heyward at some point in the season and with the pitching staff we would still have (along with a full year of Hanson) we’re ready to roll.
AS for the power. Who out there really thought Yunel would hit 15 HR, Prado over ten (likely over 15 if he plays full time next year from the beginning) and Diaz over ten? La Roche for a full season would have added another 10-12 HR over Kotchman and McLouth for a full season would have added yet more over what we had in 09. Add Heyward and a young guy and we’re the best team in the NL with a rotation (much better with Vazquez than Hudson) that would be the best in the NL (with some BP additions) and most, if not all, of MLB-quite capable of winning the NL and going deep in the playoffs We’re not as far oof as some here seem to think.
Chuck (I have as many WS rings as Bobby Cox...one) Tanner
September 26th, 2009 11:25 am
Bobby Cox…will have no blunders. Not with the big ‘mo this team is playing with. Besides, great starting pitching makes it a little easier…like last night…Javy went 9.
It is fun to watch the Braves winning, but even more fun watching them win with the type of players they are winning with. Three examples are Matt Diaz, Martin Prado and Javy Vazquez. Diaz-a fun loving,devout and over achiever, Prado- a humble man who appreciates the chance he has been given and Vazquez- the guy who everybody wrote off as a failure with all his talent proving them wrong. I want them to make the playoffs, not for myself but it is nice to see good guys prevail.
Would I love to see MLB come down on Liberty Meda and FORCE them to sell the Braves? Heck yeah I would!
“While we have a common ownership, we are run as an independent unit,” said Braves president John Schuerholz
Sorry Johnny, that just doesn’t flush. If I were an individual and was financing another business operation that was pushing steroids, would I be allowed to keep my franchise? We all know the answer to that question!
Really it’s all for nothing because MLB ain’t gonna do a thing! The MLB steroid policy is only good for the players and and on the field. The ownership, especially an entity as big as Liberty Media, will do what they want and MLB won’t do a damn thing! Bud Selig will stutter and stammer and blow this off…..wait and see!
Most of us artists are. I’ve kicked most traditional jazz for the cross-over kind the past few decades. STEELY DAN, GROVER WASHINGTON, THE CRUSADERS in the seventies, and more recently DOWN TO THE BONE kind of stuff. Maybe the Hispanic influence is kicking in because I’ve been married 42 years to a CUBAN. But I suspect it’s deeper. Just like the syncopation of that LATIN beat.
I believe! But even if we don’t make the playoffs, we have to respect and admire the way this team has battled in September. Judy and I have two games left at the TED, and we intend to leave it all out on the field — just like they have. Bobby is right: this is FUN!!!
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Soph
September 25th, 2009
11:06 pm
Ugh, Cards. Dammit.
Dumbfound
September 25th, 2009
11:10 pm
What is Smoltz era in Coors Field ? I believe it’s a good one, If I’m not mistaking.
David O'Brien
September 25th, 2009
11:11 pm
brent a.: No, I’ve heard no such talk (about Braves trying to add a reliever or bat this late).
a643dp
September 25th, 2009
11:17 pm
DOB,
I agree about the homefield advantage but in another view from the Cardinals if the Phillies get the better record they get to play the Rockies. Right now the Cards are 0-5 against COL (the Rockies have defeated the big three SPs in those 5 games). Ownership will want the extra game but if Tony had a choice I think he would want to play LAD (6-2 against) the Cards against PHL are (3-4). Teams dont quit but they will rest the best players for a benefit. Dont be supprised if SF wins tonight Big Pujols has a game or 2 off.
Steve McP
September 25th, 2009
11:20 pm
Are the Philies unravelling like the Mets did last year?
Mitchell
September 25th, 2009
11:21 pm
How are we going to make up that half game?
I hate those f-ing half games.
Somebody tell me what the odds are now. I command you.
RHR
September 25th, 2009
11:21 pm
Aww I love this:
“Oh, this is fun,” Cox said. “More than you can imagine. It’s the best time you ever have in your career, the September run to the playoffs and the World Series … it’s incredibly fun. It gets the hair raising on your arms.”
Win 9 for the Skipper?
RHR
September 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
The Twins better not overtake the Tigers.
ChurchMan
September 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
Hey DOB any idea as to what do the tie-breaking procedures involving the Braves looks like?
joe
September 25th, 2009
11:23 pm
the half game will be made up (or lost) when the braves play their last game of the season. currently, colorado has played 1 more game than the braves to this point.
TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)
September 25th, 2009
11:24 pm
Man, 2 1/2 games back looks so much better than 3 1/2, but Atlanta is on a tear right now and the Rocks got the tougher schedule. It’ll be fun either way. It’ll last longer if we get in the playoffs, but we’re gonna have some fun with this regardless.
ChurchMan
September 25th, 2009
11:24 pm
Cubs lead Lincecum 1-0 (Big Z seems to have stepped up his game much like KK probably would have done against this guy)
Probably also helps that the Giants offense isn’t anything to write home about.
tiebreaker
September 25th, 2009
11:26 pm
they do a one game playoff, home field would go to the braves because of their better division record than colorado.
Dumbfound
September 25th, 2009
11:27 pm
Cub leads ! Redbirds now watching this situation.
a643dp
September 25th, 2009
11:28 pm
Churchman,
Are you talking about homefield for a one game playoff. They did away with the coin flip this year it is best head to head record now. So COL would host the playoff game. You can thank ole Gonzo for that hypothetical situation.
Dumbfound
September 25th, 2009
11:29 pm
Go getem Smoltzie !!
tiebreaker
September 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
wrong mr. a643dp, they tied the season series, therefore the next tiebreaker is division record.
a643dp
September 25th, 2009
11:33 pm
My bad I forgot they did 2 four game series and split thanks for the explanation tiebreaker
HoCoJo
September 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
Brandon and Mixxo
Did you guys see where Cox Cable is finally picking up ESPN 360?
tiebreaker
September 25th, 2009
11:37 pm
np man…we all gotta hope they get to that tiebreaker though. rockies are doing their best ‘07 impression of themselves.
did anybody else on here notice the lack of hustle from matt holliday? c’mon matt, why don’t you run like you did in that tiebreaker against the padres? help us out.
a643dp
September 25th, 2009
11:40 pm
We all need to pull for the Cubs so Tony doesnt get all weird the next few days he has a history of being nontraditional.
P. W. Hjort
September 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Cubs have 1st and 3rd 1 out against Lincecum in the top of the 7th.
P. W. Hjort
September 25th, 2009
11:43 pm
RBI “almost-GIDP” for the Cubs, they lead 2-0.
ChurchMan
September 25th, 2009
11:53 pm
Tie-Breaking Rule 2: the next is highest winning percentage within your own division
The Braves are 37-25 vs the NL East
The Rox are 32-37 vs the NL West
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2009-standings.shtml
Mixxo
September 25th, 2009
11:55 pm
HoCoJo –
Yeah, I got the email. Curious to see how it works.
AJ
September 26th, 2009
12:10 am
nolie,
Are you watching the same Vasquez and Prado and Johnson as the rest of us??? I’m just sayin…the numbers don’t lie. Vasquez should have 20 wins with some luck and a little more offensive support, and, in case you haven’t noticed, Johnson is not having a good year at all. Without Prado’s additional offense, we might not be in sight of the Wild Card at all.
Johninnc
September 26th, 2009
12:11 am
Hi everyone did Col lose agian ?
Dumbfound
September 26th, 2009
12:12 am
Looks like the Cubbies are going to help the cardinals and braves out.
Dumbfound
September 26th, 2009
12:19 am
Okay Cardinals, The Cubbies helped you out tonight ! Now go beat the Rockies !
a643dp
September 26th, 2009
12:20 am
Just realized Cubs play at 4pm so Cards could clinch before they even play potential for a huge let down 30min before they play…………………… $hit
Dumbfound
September 26th, 2009
12:23 am
I think the cardinals wants to try to knock the rockies out of the playoffs. Coors field have been a house of horrors for the cardinals this year.
Johnny Schuerholz
September 26th, 2009
12:30 am
I only want to say one thing…
BELIEVE…
Moby Grape
September 26th, 2009
12:46 am
nolie,
Are you watching the same Vasquez and Prado and Johnson as the rest of us??? I’m just sayin AJ
nolie was just being sarcastic in regards to what has often been said earlier this year. He does that at least once a day just to keep twisting the barb in those folks
N8 (is it 2011 yet?)
September 26th, 2009
12:48 am
Said I would, so I’ve gotta back it up. Javier Vazquez has himself a new member of his fanclub. Dude brought it from what I saw (first 6 innings then I left).
Biggest game of the year, and he delivered. To bad Chris Carpenter didn’t. LOL
All the Braves can do is win. If the Rockies don’t cooperate by losing, gotta tip your hat to them. Either way it’s pretty cool, and damn fun.
Moby Grape
September 26th, 2009
12:56 am
One of your better posts, N8. and so short too
NO MORE BOBBY
September 26th, 2009
12:56 am
TO ALL THE LOCAL BRAVES FANS……..
If we make it into the playoffs you guys better sell out Turner Field!!!!!!!!!!
RHR
September 26th, 2009
12:58 am
Damn N8, you’re a hard sell, huh? He’s been pitching his ass off all year and something magically clicks in game 152 and a light bulb goes off?
braves fan
September 26th, 2009
12:59 am
THANKS BRAVES TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!
IS HAS BEEN A GREAT YEAR, I DON’T CARE IF WE HAVE PLAY OFFS OR NOT.
WREN IS MVP….
Moby Grape
September 26th, 2009
1:01 am
152 and a light bulb goes off? RHR
well it is Nate after all. Hard headed cuss much of the time. Better late than never.
Of course if Javy pitches here next season and slips back some, Nate will be on him like white on rice.
BravoMan
September 26th, 2009
1:06 am
braves fan,
Agree 100%. And the team’s only gettin better next year.
Joe D. Loves Marilyn...
September 26th, 2009
1:06 am
No time to take the foot off the throttle, now…So, the Braves now have some space / breathing room between them and the Giants & Marlins…
9,8,7, etc…the countdown begins…
And since we do not control our own destiny anymore…just continue to play solid ball. Everything else will continue to fall into place. Sweep the Nationals…and if (I really do not like to use this word…but…no choice now…) the Cardinals can get a win on Saturday or Sunday…(no way they get swept…right???)…come Sunday night…we will be no worse than 2 back in the loss column.
Rockies will have 6 games left…and the Braves will have 7. The pressure is all on Colorado. They had the big Wild Card lead and have let it slip right through their gloves / bats…
And down 2 with a week to go. Hell, I like our chances. Marlins will be out of it by Monday night…(more than likely)…and we need to handle them…(no worse than 2 out of 3 fellas’…) and the Rockies have to contend with a decent Brew crew for 3. Then off to L.A. for final 3. I certainly like our road to the promised land better than theirs…
Need to go out and take care of business Saturday afternoon…and let the Rockies see that we took care of our business…hours before they play. Same on Sunday. The pressure will be squarely on them. And I will take my chances with that better than average Cardinal pitching staff and line-up that the Rockies will see the rest of the weekend…
Just one more thing…
BELIEVE…
N8 (is it 2011 yet?)
September 26th, 2009
1:07 am
Thanks Moby. RHR, I’ve been a Vazquez fan all year. Last winter, I wasn’t sold on him. But quickly became a fan. I still stand by my stance that one of the 3 pitchers (Vazquez, KK or Lowe) wasn’t needed. That Hanson could have started the season in Atlanta and Hudson was on the way, and that 12 million dollars could have been spent on a bat.
But I’m not dumb enough to think that Vazquez wasn’t having a solid to incredible year. Just wasn’t sold on him in big games. I made a statement today that if he came up big tonight, I’d say I’m sold on him being a big game pitcher for us. He did. I did.
Also, to cut myself some slack. I had only seen 2 or 3 of his games all year (during the free Extra Innings periods at the beginning of season and around the all-star break – with a national broadcast or two mixed in), but spent the 14.95 on the “rest of the season” on the MLBtv package from mlb.com.
He looked outstanding and was in complete command.
I’ve been on record as saying I’d keep Hudson (because of track record and Vazquez’s higher trade value). I’ve also recently stated that if Wren doesn’t improve the infield defense, that Vazquez might be the better option over Hudson, since he’s a strikeout guy.
I’m on record right now, that I’ll support Wren whichever way he goes. He’s obviously not going to lock either of them up for 5 or 6 years. So as long as it’s 2 or 3 years (maybe with an option), they BOTH should be damn fine pitchers over that stretch.
If Wren can dump Lowe (the guy I wanted all along last winter), then hell! Lock both Vazquez and Hudson up for a few years and roll with it.
But I’ll back off Vazquez (even though I haven’t really been on him for months – just the trade itself and what I thought we should have used Flowers for).
But I don’t ever want to be accused of going back on my word. I might be an annoying, long-winded blogger, but I’m an honorable one. LOL
N8 (is it 2011 yet?)
September 26th, 2009
1:11 am
Yes Moby, if he is not traded, and has one of his 4.50 ERA seasons, I may be all over him, and all over the “I told you so” moment. But whether that happens or not, it can’t take away how good he’s been this year. No matter how much I like being right. Besides, I’d rather be wrong, and have a winning team. Surely you don’t think I’m one of the “hope we lose so I can gripe” guys?
Besides, I have zero problem griping when we win. I’ll gripe when I want!
Moby Grape
September 26th, 2009
1:19 am
just the trade itself and what I thought we should have used Flowers for) N8
I thought it was a great trade and still think so, I can’t think of anyone that Flowers could have brought back who would have been more of a help all season.I do admit that he is having an even better year than I thought he would have.
Speaking of Flowers, I see he had another very good year in the minors again. I liked him as a hitting prospect as I guess most all of us did. 200 in 10 AB since he came up. and really not all that bad a catcher but so big he might break down early back there. I think he should be a good DH for years. Of course Max Ramirez had some great minor league seasons and has yet to gel in the majors. You just never know. One of the things I love so much about baseball.
Moby Grape
September 26th, 2009
1:20 am
Surely you don’t think I’m one of the “hope we lose so I can gripe” guys? N8
no, I don’t. not by any means.
Johninnc
September 26th, 2009
1:22 am
Guys we will make the playoff.And with the way we are playing right now.We might go and win the WS
Roman Gal
September 26th, 2009
1:44 am
Trade them both for a decent middle reliever.. nolie
You mean packaged together, right? Because I’m not sure we could get a decent middle reliever if we tried to trade them separately…
N8 (is it 2011 yet?)
September 26th, 2009
2:18 am
I guess I should clarify Moby. I’m not saying we for sure would have gotten more for Flowers. Considering we have McCann, if “all” we get is Vazquez for two years, Wren did alright, huh?
I just think Wren could have gotten a damn nice bat (either through free agency or via trade) for the some of the 11.5 million on Vazquez, the 15 million for Lowe, or the 8 million on KK, which would have given us another weapon for possibly 162 games, rather than the 34 or so games those pitchers contributed.
I’ve stated it before, and I realize that having solid pitching creates momentum and I’m not taking our pitching for granted. But say for instance that KK wasn’t signed. The Braves have gone 12-13 in his 25 starts.
Even had the Braves gone 0-25 when whoever would have replaced him starts (as highly unlikely as that would be), having a bat for 162 games in the middle of our order would have helped in the other 137 starts by other pitchers.
JJJ, KK and Vazquez have ALL pitched better than there records are, and better than the team record in their starts.
It’s all hindsight though. So I’ll move on. LOL
The other factor I should note that I get, is the innings that those guys pitched. Say for instance the team would have managed to win the same 12 games if somebody else (Medlen or even Glavine) had started instead of KK, Lowe or Vazquez, the bullpen would have certainly been more taxed, which could have resulted in losses in some games that the bullpen saved our butts. So I get that it’s not as black or white as just replacing KK with Medlen, and replacing Jeff early in the year with say Abreu or trading for a guy like Dye or somebody that would have made a difference with the offense.
Nobody really knows how it could have or would have turned out differently. Maybe we win 100 games and have the East locked up two weeks ago? Maybe the bullpen gets taxed, the hitter aquired gets hurt and we lose 100 games.
All I know, is going into next year we have “too much” pitching (for our payroll budget) and need another bat, maybe two. Which barring major injuries should make our fortunes easier, and the overall play of the team more balanced and consistent.
In a perfect world, LM raises payroll and we keep all the pitcher (in case of injury or somebody sucking), and still find a way to add a bat and then call up Heyward in June.
Wren’s got some work to do, and I have confident that he’ll do a good job fixing what needs to be fixed while giving us a great chance to succeed next year, sending Bobby out on a high note, while not sacrificing the future of the team.
Hell, just getting a rebound year from Chipper would go a LONG way towards making 2010 a better offensive unit.
Goodnight all.
Jurrjens4NLCY - Fight Like A Perpetual Moving, Counting, Believing Brave
September 26th, 2009
2:19 am
Even though the Rockies won,
Today was a productive day…
1. The Marlins are officially logically eliminated from the playoffs
2. The Giants are officially logically eliminated from the playoffs
So a pretty good day…
Btw, Our football team lost… Which I don’t care about…
FEAR
September 26th, 2009
2:29 am
So the cards let us down tonight. But everyone else had it taken care of. We just gotta keep running the table on these guys. We can pull this off. St. Louie gotta beat them tomorrow and sunday. I’m gonna be there next sunday!
uga-brave
September 26th, 2009
3:00 am
what a great evening. went to a friends house ate a great filet. cooked a great viadallia onion on the grill. for thou who have never done that.
hollow out the onion put a cube bullion in there and put butter all around and wrap it in alumminum.
same thing with corn on the cob. soak it in water for a couple of hours. then wrap it with butter in the husk.
FEAR
September 26th, 2009
3:18 am
uga-brave – that sounds awesome!!
uga-brave
September 26th, 2009
3:23 am
if we get 90 how can anyone say this was a bad season?
did this team entertain you? playing to the finish. yeah well that bobby.
look at all the positives. the starting rotation is the best in the national league.
rochy changed the offense, diaz suprised me. prado proved to be a good choice in the two hole.
no k.j. no schaffer, and thank goodness no FRANCOEUR.
without a doubt the reason the braves are better is that there is no francoeur.
francoeur was a OUT machine. almost 20 games over .500 since he was traded.
14 years we got in at postseason, and along comes mister entitlement.
there is no coincidence.
four years no playoffs. for four years that right fielder sucked the life out of this team.
the dude was a mush.
uga-brave
September 26th, 2009
3:33 am
for all you OLD SCHOOL GEORGIA FANS, we had three bottles of terry hoage’s wine tonight.
terry hoage was a all american at georgia from 1981- 1984.
he also played safety for buddy ryan and the eagles for 10 years.
so hoage has a great small winery south of san fran.
he is proud of his wine and it is very good.
the 46 is named after buddy ryan’s defense nice shyraz.
the HEDGE needs no explanation.
uga-brave
September 26th, 2009
3:47 am
blah blah, javier vazquez aint this or that.
then again he played for the biggest moron in baseball. yeah ozzie guillen.
ozzie will be fired in the offseason. guess what, there aint gonna be a line to hire him.
kinda like valentine and bowa.
actually valentine and bowa are the stooges minus curly.
great managers are not the first person on the field after a good win.
always saw bowa and bobby v., run on the field first in a walkoff situation.
great managers sit back and let their players celebrate.
guys like bowa and valentine think they are the difference.
uga-brave
September 26th, 2009
3:55 am
posting to myself, good luck georgia tech, beat north carolina.
braveheart got a hunch bama might run the razorbacks.
then again GOD is a bulldogs fan.
it is because of devine intervention, it is a MIRACLE that we win ten a year with willie martinez coaching our defense.
SELAH.
sum guy
September 26th, 2009
4:29 am
Go Braves
Brave New World
September 26th, 2009
6:33 am
Uga-Brave: Your post about Vazquez having played for a moron (Guillen) made me wonder could it be that Bobby Cox helped to bring out the best in this pitcher by the way he relates to and supports his players? And there seems to be a lot of people that condemn Bobby for sticking with players he believes in – could that be the reason we saw Martin Prado emerge as a solid player this year? Who cares what most of the naysayers write? In the end Bobby Cox is a Hall of Fame manager, but for now it’s exciting to be in the playoff hunt in 2009 thanks to the GREAT efforts of Mr. Wren, Mr. Cox, and my favorite team, The Atlanta Braves. Go Braves!
bruce
September 26th, 2009
7:14 am
Who’s pitching today? Hanson? What’s the forecast? Rain? yea… Hanson is a “rain-man” 30% chance at game time then increases to 40% at 4 pm… then much worse later according to weather.com for DC. Taking the poncho to the game.
Rob from SC
September 26th, 2009
7:47 am
For everyone so concerned with getting a bat and giving up pitching to do so think of this. Next year Prado will have the everyday job. Escobar gets better every season. McLouth will be here fr the full season. Heyward’s arrival. Infante hopefully stays healthy.
You win with pitching.
We sucked in 08. Wren needed to fix the pitching, and he made the pitching great. He got rid of the hole in RF and will do the same thing with KJ. Can we sign Bay or Holliday, who knows. But if Heyward lives up to the hype (he will don’t worry) and Schafer does well in AAA, the O will be fine. If Wren can’t find power, go get speed. Speed and Pitching wins a lot of games.
stew
September 26th, 2009
8:38 am
Getting Braun would give us a power laden lineup in 2010. I just don’t want to give up JJ/Tommy/Javy/Heyward/Yunel/Huddy/Kimbrel/McCann/Nate. They can have anyone else.
How about Cody Johnson/Cole Rohrbough/Kelly Johnson fo Braun? Isn’t that enough? Maybe throw in Teheran.
Jeff R
September 26th, 2009
8:48 am
Teheran… Wouldn’t the Braves would throw him into any deal. He’s top prospect material.
LinvinInAL
September 26th, 2009
8:53 am
So, if we had let starters go 9 innings in other games this year this year….
braves4ever
September 26th, 2009
8:56 am
Rob , I saw on here earlier this week you had a surgery or something, hope you are doing well and recovering.
Efrim
September 26th, 2009
9:02 am
I just don’t want to give up JJ/Tommy/Javy/Heyward/Yunel/Huddy/Kimbrel/McCann/Nate. They can have anyone else.
But then why would Milwaukee want to do the deal? They have fans too, right? They have baseball people in their front office who want the team to succeed so they can keep their job, right?
CB
September 26th, 2009
9:05 am
Yeah, I would like to have Braun for a pack of gum.Think Brewers would go for that?
pryguy
September 26th, 2009
9:27 am
UGA Brave,
I agree with your earler post, this team has come together in the limited time as a unit. They have provided such excitement during the finals weeks here. No complaints here, only praise to Wren, Bobby and company for making all the effort to put the Braves back where they belong. Still believing…
Tomahawkin
September 26th, 2009
9:30 am
What ever happened to Jung Keung Bong and Tim Spooneybarger…?
I know Spooneybarger used to have a website, but I don’t think it exists anymore…
Jimmy Joe
September 26th, 2009
10:02 am
Three hours till the game. I can’t wait.
Lew
September 26th, 2009
10:03 am
If anyone really believes that trading Javy Vazquez is a sane thing to do-well, there’s damned little hope for you. He should be retained AND they should try to sign him (and I’ll bet they could) a good three year deal. Trading him at this point (unless the trade filled EVERY need we could anticipate) is just plain insane. If you aren’t convinced of this by now, I just don’t know what to say.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:08 am
Pull the plug on SAN FRAN.’s life-support, they’re done. Five back with eight to play. Mathematical elimination is on the horizon.
It doesn’t look like the ROX are inclined to crack, so the BRAVES have to just keep chipping away with the consecutive wins until they do. Three down with nine to play. Looks like MILWAUKEE will be the ROCKIES’ MARLINS. Believe me the NATS and FISH would just LOVE to ruin our day. Can’t let it happen. We’re still weak enough to be had without that one big bat in the middle of the line-up. I gotta’ believe BC signed for one more round based on the organization doing whatever is necessary to bring home the bacon in 2010. BTW, is it just me, or does ROGER McDOWELL’s body of work suddenly seem vastly improved.
bravesgrl4life
September 26th, 2009
10:08 am
Gotta get this day started so I can be home for the game
GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CB
September 26th, 2009
10:15 am
Lew, the man has made a believer out of me- I was one of those not expecting this. I don’t know if he is thrilled to have Bobby as his manager or if he is having a step out season. I’m just glad he is here.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:16 am
Hey BRUCE:
Around here (RICHMOND, VA.), 30% is no chance. Neither is 40%. For a guarantee of precip., must hit 50%. We’re golden for a 1:00 game. Just take the pancho in case the rain we’re getting here now with our 40% chance comes you way, which it is sure to do eventually. Heh,heh.
monty
September 26th, 2009
10:17 am
Lew
I completely agree and have been saying what you are saying for awhile. Why trade your best pitcher? The dude has just been remarkably consistent all year.. Hopefully FW will find a creative way to keep he and Hudson and market KK or Lowe, Lowe’s contract looms like an Albatross right now around FW’s neck. But having too much pitching is a good problem to have! If JAvy has to go at least he’s driving up his trade value.
Lew
September 26th, 2009
10:24 am
Just found out that an old buddy and ex-college classmate from Georgia College is on the Emmy Ballot in the Contemporary Blues category. His name is Dave Perkins and his CD is called Pistol City Holiness for any of you blues fans out there. Wish him luck.
Steve McP
September 26th, 2009
10:31 am
Lew – whilst agreeing that Javy has been extremely good this year, the Braves do need to make a trade for a bat. We are in a position of strength in pitching, but looking at which of the 6 good starters could go Javy is the obvious candidate.
Javy has had a career year, hopefully he will continue, but he could regress, and his trade value now is as high as it could be on his current affordable contract.
JJJ and Tommy H are clearly staying for a long time and I cannot imagine any deal that see either of them leaving the club.
This leaves Lowe, who has a big contract for a relatively poor season and would have little value for a quality player.
Kenshin has to still prove himself in the majors, his stats look worse than he has pitched and I think he could be very good at the back of the rotation next year, but again could not see his trade value being high enough to attract an elite player.
Finally, Tim Hudson has no trade value, if the Braves do not pick up his contract he can leave as a FA. In theory we could negotiate a home town two or three year deal with him and then trade him, but I don’t see the Braves being that cold.
So although Javy has been stunning this year, sadly he seems to me to be the one member of our front line pitchers that is most likely to go in the off season to get that elite hitter that we need.
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:31 am
LEW:
So that’s a track inspired by DETROIT?
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:32 am
Isn’t JAVY also in a contract year?
Joe (I helped the Braves make it...in 1982 homerun vs. Dodgers...last game...but I really suck as an announcer) Morgan...
September 26th, 2009
10:33 am
Braves will pull it out…
Rockies are not going to sweep the Cardinals…bet on it. The Braves are going to sweep the Nationals…so come late Sunday night…Braves will be no worse than 2 back in the loss column with one more week to go.
BELIEVE…
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
10:38 am
Funny:
http://imgur.com/nKuxi.gif
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
10:39 am
STEVE:
I’ve been inclined to agree. But it’s obvious, JAVY is busting his butt for a reason and not just pride, although being all you can be is important. It’s
1- a new contract or
2- a place long-term as a BRAVE.
I think he realizes all you and I and many have said. I think he doesn’t want to make the decision easy for the BRAVES. IMO, it’s not just the money, it’s the desire to be with the home-team.
Lew
September 26th, 2009
10:39 am
RichBrave-Not too sure of much more than the name of the CD. I’ve only had email contact with him recently and we didn’t go into detail on his music-rather family news and the like. There’s a group of us who started GC together in 1968 and about 30 of us have recently formed a contact group. Most of us are still catching up and figuring out what happened to the rest of the old crowd. Dude’s a friend of Steve Earle and Jerry Jeff Walker if his Facebook list is to be believed. However, since he’s been a studio musician in Nashville for years, I tend to believe it. I’ve got another classmate who owns a N’Ville recording studio, too. Pretty cool if you’re as into music as I am.
Lew
September 26th, 2009
10:40 am
Steve McP-AT the risk of setting nc scoots off again, the Braves could save $11mil by NOT exercising Hudson’s 2010 option. That way there would be no need to trade a starting pitcher.
Johnny Schuerholz
September 26th, 2009
10:48 am
Playoff chances…
Phillies……..99.9%
Dodgers…….99.9%
Cardinals…..99.9%
Rockies…….87.6%
Braves………10.8%
Marlins………00.8%
Giants………00.8%
Cubs………..00.2%
Magic Numbers…Division…
Phillies……..4
Dodgers…….4
Cardinals…..1
Magic Numbers…Wild Card…(playoff spot)
Rockies…6
BELIEVE…
Steve McP
September 26th, 2009
11:07 am
I understand the money thing Lew, but who can we trade for an elite player if we do let Hudson walk? I don’t see any of our other tradeable players (i.e not Chipper, Esco or B-Mac) attracting much attention for a major piece.
Robert
September 26th, 2009
11:12 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/261654-atlanta-braves-baseball-the-ones-the-got-away
this article tells it like it is –note phrases like “inexplicably-used” and “manager was to blame”
Robert
September 26th, 2009
11:17 am
waiting for the inevitable Cox blunder that will bring this late surge to a screeching halt
njbraves
September 26th, 2009
11:21 am
Robert…..STFU already. You really are loser…take the negativity elsewhere.
Lew
September 26th, 2009
11:22 am
SteveMcP-Dude, we have one of the best minor league systems in baseball and most of the rest of MLB is aware of this. We have pieces that could be traded for a younger player with power potential and that would give us the money to pay for him and bullpen additions (and a pinch hitter). Add LaRoche to the mix for an entire season and Heyward at some point in the season and with the pitching staff we would still have (along with a full year of Hanson) we’re ready to roll.
AS for the power. Who out there really thought Yunel would hit 15 HR, Prado over ten (likely over 15 if he plays full time next year from the beginning) and Diaz over ten? La Roche for a full season would have added another 10-12 HR over Kotchman and McLouth for a full season would have added yet more over what we had in 09. Add Heyward and a young guy and we’re the best team in the NL with a rotation (much better with Vazquez than Hudson) that would be the best in the NL (with some BP additions) and most, if not all, of MLB-quite capable of winning the NL and going deep in the playoffs We’re not as far oof as some here seem to think.
Chuck (I have as many WS rings as Bobby Cox...one) Tanner
September 26th, 2009
11:25 am
Bobby Cox…will have no blunders. Not with the big ‘mo this team is playing with. Besides, great starting pitching makes it a little easier…like last night…Javy went 9.
Ditto the next 2 games…
BELIEVE…
jeffrey d
September 26th, 2009
11:43 am
Props to sum guy’s 4:29.
Shamus Thacker
September 26th, 2009
11:53 am
Trade Vazquez? STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shamus Thacker
September 26th, 2009
11:54 am
Sorry, meant to add a couple more of these, !!
Steve from OH
September 26th, 2009
11:54 am
Shamus–yes, stupid, but less stupid than letting Hudson walk for nothing. IMO.
CB
September 26th, 2009
11:54 am
It is fun to watch the Braves winning, but even more fun watching them win with the type of players they are winning with. Three examples are Matt Diaz, Martin Prado and Javy Vazquez. Diaz-a fun loving,devout and over achiever, Prado- a humble man who appreciates the chance he has been given and Vazquez- the guy who everybody wrote off as a failure with all his talent proving them wrong. I want them to make the playoffs, not for myself but it is nice to see good guys prevail.
Steroids In Baseball
September 26th, 2009
11:56 am
Would I love to see MLB come down on Liberty Meda and FORCE them to sell the Braves? Heck yeah I would!
“While we have a common ownership, we are run as an independent unit,” said Braves president John Schuerholz
Sorry Johnny, that just doesn’t flush. If I were an individual and was financing another business operation that was pushing steroids, would I be allowed to keep my franchise? We all know the answer to that question!
Really it’s all for nothing because MLB ain’t gonna do a thing! The MLB steroid policy is only good for the players and and on the field. The ownership, especially an entity as big as Liberty Media, will do what they want and MLB won’t do a damn thing! Bud Selig will stutter and stammer and blow this off…..wait and see!
richbrave
September 26th, 2009
12:00 pm
Most of us artists are. I’ve kicked most traditional jazz for the cross-over kind the past few decades. STEELY DAN, GROVER WASHINGTON, THE CRUSADERS in the seventies, and more recently DOWN TO THE BONE kind of stuff. Maybe the Hispanic influence is kicking in because I’ve been married 42 years to a CUBAN. But I suspect it’s deeper. Just like the syncopation of that LATIN beat.
Doc Holiday
September 26th, 2009
12:01 pm
Enter your comments hereRockies will have to win 6 games cause our braves are not losing again this season
Go Bravos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Braves Paisan
September 26th, 2009
12:03 pm
I believe! But even if we don’t make the playoffs, we have to respect and admire the way this team has battled in September. Judy and I have two games left at the TED, and we intend to leave it all out on the field — just like they have. Bobby is right: this is FUN!!!