Hot Braves still need plenty of help

 

Escobar has been getting key hits all season, and did it again in Tuesday's 3-1 win.

Escobar has been getting key hits all season, and did it again in Tuesday's 3-1 win.

 

 

New York – So the Braves have won 10 of 12 games and have 11 more to play. And like we said last week, it was probably too late regardless of what they did the rest of the way, since the Braves not only needed to roar to the finish after their costly 0-5 skid, but also needed teams ahead of them to stumble.

This fan had the broom out for last week's sweep of Mets in Atlanta. They'll try to complete a another sweep tonight in Flushing.

This fan had the broom out for last week's sweep of Mets in Atlanta. They'll try to complete a another sweep tonight in Flushing.

And here we are, with 11 games left and the Braves five games behind wild-card leader. The Rockies have stumbled slightly, but they would have to skid even worse the rest of the way for the Braves to slip into the postseason, and that’s assuming the Braves win at least nine or 10 of their remaining games.

For those who still want to believe, here’s what would have to happen:

If the Braves (81-70) go 9-2 the rest of the way (given their competition, that’s possible), and finish 90-72, the Rockies (86-65) would have to go 4-7 to force a one-game playoff with the Braves.

Or, if the Braves go 9-2 and the Rockies go 3-8, the Braves would finish ahead of them and win the wild card without a playoff (and humor me for a second by forgetting about San Francisco, which has the same record as the Braves today and, I’m assuming, isn’t going to win nine of its last 11 games).

Now, if the Braves could muster, say, a 10-1 record the rest of the way, then the Rockies could go 5-6 and the Braves would play them in a one-game playoff. Or the Rockies would have to do 4-7 or worse for the Braves to finish as the wild-card winner without a playoff.

These are unlikely scenarios, sure. But not so far-fetched, when you consider that since Sept. 10, Atlanta is 10-2, Colorado is 6-5, San Francisco is 5-6, and Florida is 7-6. The Marlins are a half-game behind the Braves and Giants entering today’s games.

OK, are your heads spinning? Sorry about that, but I’m just trying to put it in real terms, what it would take, now that we’re inside of a dozen games to play.

Unlikely, yes. Extremely unlikely, even. But we’re not talking about it taking a miracle or anything, not given the way the teams involved have played recently.

Then again, just about every time Colorado has gone through any cold stretch, they’ve reeled off a hot one soon after. And after struggling a little through the weekend, they’ve won their past couple of games.

Tonight they’ve got 15-game winner Jason Marquis going against the Padres in Colorado. Meanwhile, here in fabulous Flushing, Queens, the Braves have Tim Hudson facing Mike Pelfrey another Mets pitcher who’s scuffled recently.

For Huddy, it’s his fifth start since returning from rehab for Tommy John surgery. He’s 0-1 with a 5.25 ERA and .327 opponents’ average in his past two, after going 1-0 with a 2.19 ERA and .222 OA in the first two. However, he had a quality start (seven innings, six hits, three runs) on Friday vs. Philly.

He’s 9-5 in 15 starts against the Mets, including 2-1 with a 4.76 ERA in three last season. Carlos Beltran is 21-for-59 (.356) with four homers against him.

As for Pelfrey, he’s is 1-3 with a 7.04 ERA in his past five starts, and dude allowed 18 hits including five homers in 13 innings during his past two.

He’s 2-4 with a 6.29 ERA in nine career games (eight starts) against the Braves, and Pelfrey gave up nine hits, nine runs and two homers in 4-1/3 innings of his last start against them July 17 in Atlanta. Brian McCann is 11-for-23 with a homer against him, Chipper Jones is 6-for-15 with two homers, and Adam LaRoche is 4-for-4.

 

Jurrjens pitched another gem Tuesday night

Jurrjens pitched another gem Tuesday night

 

 

♣  The real news: Overshadowed by Jair Jurrjens’ strong pitching performance last night, and Brian McCann’s hand injury (not serious), and a report about a certain manager angrily packing his car and preparing to call it a career and head home from Dark Star in the middle of spring training, was the most important news of the day: The Braves finally won another game when scoring three runs!

Yes, with their 3-1 win against the Mets on Tuesday, the Braves improved to 2-12 in games in which they scored three runs.

But seriously, that is a rather remarkable stat, don’t you think? No? Oh, well.

 ♣ Speaking of odd stats: I bet you can’t guess who leads the Braves in home runs on the road this season. Or who leads them in on-base plus slugging percentage (OPS) in road games.

Don’t look below before you try to guess.

OK, have you made your choice?

Bet you didn’t guess Matt Diaz as the home-run leader, did ya? He has a team-high nine home runs in 183 at-bats on the road, ahead of  McCann (eight in 236 at-bats) and Chipper (eight in 221 at-bats).

And I know you didn’t guess Nate McLouth as the road OPS leader, did ya?

McLouth has hit .321 with seven homers and a .405 OBP and .525 slugging percentage in 39 road games since being traded to the Braves. That’s a .930 OPS on the road. He’s hit just .218 with two homers and a .638 OPS in 34 home games.

And while we’re on the subject of home/road splits, the relatively pitcher-friendly Turner Field has not had any particularly beneficial affect on Jurrjens’ performance. He’s just this good: 7-4 with a 2.75 REA in 16 road starts.

 ♣ Etc.

Tommy Hanson’s .190 average allowed (37-for-195) by right-handed batters leads all major league qualifiers. That’s not nearly as surprising as this: Kris Medlen’s .189 average (23-for-122) against lefties is the 10th-lowest among NL qualifiers. What’s most unsusual is that Medlen, of course, is right-handed. Righty hitters have a .355 average against him (39-for-110)…. Since being traded to the Braves, Adam LaRoche has hit .457 (16-for-35) with runners in scoring position, with 10 walks and a .553 OBP…. For the season, Yunel Escobar’s .388 average (47-for-121) with RISP ranks second in the majors behind the Cubs’ Aramis Ramirez (.429 in 84 at-bats). Among hitters with as many or more at-bats as Escobar has with RISP, Florida’s Hanley Ramirez has the second-highest average in the majors at .379 (55-for-145), and McCann is fourth at .347 (42-for-121). The Braves have four of the NL’s top 10 qualifying RISP averages, including McLouth (.352, 38-for-108 with Pittsburgh and Atlanta) and Chipper Jones (.340, 35-for-103).

 ♣ For those who might care: I wrote this in comments earlier in the blog this morning, but I’ll repeat it here, with a couple other small things added. Skip over if you’ve already read or don’t care about this inside-reporting stuff.

  Apparently some of our commenters on AJC blogs seem to think that if I, or MLB.com beat writer Mark Bowman, heard during spring training that Bobby Cox had packed his car the night before and was ready to quit and head home because of a squabble(s) with Frank Wren, we wouldn’t have reported it?

Believe me, if either of us had heard that story from a reliable source and felt certain (and our editors agreed) that it was true, I know that either of us — I probably shouldn’t speak for Bowman, but I will — would have reported it. That would have been a hell of a scoop in spring training, the kind you certainly never would pass up if you got it confirmed by one of the parties involved or felt strongly enough that your source was reliable (and then, or course, you would ask the parties directly for a reaction and tell them what you’ve got on record from a reliable source).

I read a comment from someone critical of no one who covers the team having this story, someone incredulous that we hadn’t heard about this and written it during spring training. As though we all are staying in such close quarters during spring training that we could have looked out our window and seen Bobby in the early morning hours, angrily packing his car in the parking lot and murmuring aloud about the GM, something like that.

If this story is true — Gordon Edes, who wrote it at Yahoo.com, is a very good reporter; as I’ve mentioned before, he’s a friend, former colleague at the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, and the guy who first asked me to come over to cover the Marlins with him, before he left for Boston — then it’s something that was told to one writer by one upset or concerned source who didn’t tell anyone else at the time. Hey, that happens. Some sources say something once and never repeat it again, and sometimes they regret saying it at all.

But understand, they don’t typically gather us reporters together to tell us these kinds of things. And we don’t go to coaches and players or the manager or GM each day during spring training and ask, “Is there any potentially career-changing tension going on with you this spring that you’d like to share at this time?” Or, “Did any major drama go on after you left the ballpark yesterday following the workout, any fight with a boss or a player that involved you or anyone you’ve heard about and that you care to divulge? No? OK, good, then let’s discuss pitching plans and how Lowe’s doing with his blister….”

As beat writers (and same for columnists, when they come out to the ballpark) you hear things every day, virtually every time we’re in the clubhouse or talking to this particular player, or this team official or that one. Much of it is said off the record, some of it is conveyed with body language meant to tell you that what the person just said is entirely b.s., so you use it accordingly or at least know that it’s b.s. Much of it is said on background, or with an undrerstanding, either stated or simply conveyed through the trust you’ve developed with that person, that you won’t use it in any way that can lead back to this person.

These are matters and situations that, in this role we’re in, you’ve got to weigh and juggle every day, every time you write. Do you use this or that info knowing that this person or that is not going to want to talk to you again or give you anything good again? Is it too good, too important, to not use, regardless of what it means for any future relationship with this person as a source or just as a good quote? Do you convey to the readers the tension you know exists between this player or that, or between this team official and that player, or how little respect this person has for that one? You might use 10 percent of such info in anything you write, and have to keep the rest to yourself because you don’t think it’s either: a. going to lead directly to any decision or action that affects the team either in the immediate future or long term, or b. the person told you it was off the record, and if it gets out it’s going to be obvious to this person, who probably knows exactly how many people he’s told or how many others are aware of something he’s told you about, that you broke a stated or understood agreement with him not to use the info on record.

Or, if you work in a market where newspapers turn over beat reporters every couple of years because everyone on the team hates them, then you just write the story and don’t worry about the future, since you’ll be moving on to another beat. Of course, you’re also not going to get any interesting stuff from that source or probably from anyone else on the team from that point forward, so forget every writing any human-interest type stuff or proving personal details for readers that players share with you or that you observe when players let their guard down in front of you.

Again, it’s subtle stuff you have to weigh every day, what to use and what to allow to color what you write in order to try to convey to readers without stating things directly. Do we hear about tensions between parties every day, between high-profile parties even? Of course. But if you start writing about every relationship, about the tension you might know exists between this person or that, and you’re a beat writer around the team every day — as opposed to a writer from another city or a national reporter writing a story that you heard from a good source about a team you don’t have day-to-day dealings with — you’re going to have to decide whether it’s worth cutting off that source by writing the story now. In other words, is this story big enough and going to have direct impact enough, right now, to risk not getting information from that source going forward for multiple stories, for many, many other stories you need to write using info on and off the record from that source?

All these are things that must be considered by those in our position. It’s just part of the job. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to express the complicated nature of covering any beat — government, crime, a sports team — to people who aren’t in the business and don’t necessarily care to hear that it’s not always cut-and-dried and that you don’t always get to share everything you know. Particularly in a unique situation, like when you’re dealing with people and personalities who are together in close quarters for nine months of the year — like, say, a baseball team. You have to realize that sometimes you’re going to need to let a columnist or a reporter who’s not assigned to your team write something you know to be true but you can’t write because you need to keep covering the team and keep writing news and inside info every day that you’re going to get because of relationships with people that you need to cultivate and not burn just to have a sexy story that might ultimately not be the be-all, end-all story it would have to be for you to judge it worthy of ending a working relationship with a valuable source.

Oh, I’m well aware some will say this is just long-winded excuse-making or trying to dismiss the Yahoo report. It’s not, at all. As I said, Edes is a damn good reporter, and a friend who attended my wedding. I’m not questioning anything he wrote, and never would. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s scooped me or hundreds of others. Both parties have denied to our Mark Bradley that this incident happened. I don’t know what happened. I wasn’t there, and didn’t hear whispers about it at the time, and neither did anyone else in the media — local or national — who was covering baseball all spring and asking questions about the team, on or off the record. At least not to the degree where anyone was confident enough to write it.

I do remember writing something else this spring that we were confident about, from another source. And when that story didn’t go as the source had told us it would, I do remember taking quite a bit of criticism for not sticking to known facts. I wonder if any of those critics might also be questioning why we didn’t hear this rumor and write it without confirmation from either of the involved parties? Surely not. Right?

 ♦ OK, gotta get over to the ballpark. Let’s take it out with a classic from a band, Jane’s Addiction, that put out a few terrific albums in the 1980s and then fractured too soon. The lyrics aren’t as great as the pounding song as a whole, so here’s a video from the Milan, Italy show on the 1986 tour. (I was at the Miami stop on this tour, from what I can remember.) Warning: Don’t watch if you don’t like heavy alternative rock.

janes_addiction_reunite_nme

“Ocean Size” by Janes’ Addiction (Perry Farrell)

 

Wish I was ocean size

They cannot move you

No one tries

No one pulls you

Out from your hole

Like a tooth aching a jawbone…

 

I was made with a heart of stone

To be broken

With one hard blow

I’ve seen the ocean

Break on the shore

Come together with no harm done…

 

It ain’t easy living…

 

I want to be

As deep

As the ocean

Mother ocean

 

Some people tell me

Home is in the sky

In the sky lives a spy

I want to be more like the ocean

No talking

All action…

No talking

All action…

 

2,373 comments Add your comment

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
3:24 pm

The scheduled starters for the next series (@Washington) are John Lannan, Garrett Mock, and Livan Hernandez. KJ has a 1.133 OPS against Lannan (6-for-15 with 2 doubles and a homer). He’s doubled in his only plate appearance vs. Garrett Mock.

bravo1966

September 23rd, 2009
3:26 pm

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
3:30 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief.

As for Pelfrey, he’s is 1-3 with a 7.04 ERA in his past five starts, and dude allowed 18 hits including five homers in 13 innings during his past two…Brian McCann is 11-for-23 with a homer against him

Nyg…don’t rub it in!

HoCoJo

September 23rd, 2009
3:30 pm

repeated from last blog:

The Braves have had a streak here and there, especially after they started the season 5-1. I think their goose was cooked after the 5 game slide starting Sept 2nd with the Phish.

Kool that DOB mentions the 5 game skid, too!

Hillbilly

September 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm

With the grip she’s got on that broom, that fan in the second pic looks like she’d be good for about 30 hrs and 110 rbi. Is she a free agent?

Brian

September 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm

bravo1966, they copied Bradley’s report on the subject, except the part that says Cox is coming back. They made that up. Read Bradley’s article and notice the difference.

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
3:34 pm

Bobby, we can’t live without you.

Never change, Bobby.

Thrillhouse44

September 23rd, 2009
3:34 pm

DOB, time for you to place a bug in Bobby’s office. Thanks for all you’ve done this year.

Chipper breaks out tonight.

Thrillhouse44

September 23rd, 2009
3:36 pm

I think their goose was cooked after the 5 game slide starting Sept 2nd with the Phish

5 days with Phish, done right, will cook anyone’s goose.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm

Good Lord, the more things change, the more they stay the same….

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm

DOB, I know you wanted to be fully clear (crystal, even, LOL) on the reasoning behind beat writers’ decisions on write-not-write, but, truthfully, the one line says most of it:

Unfortunately, it’s impossible to express the complicated nature of covering any beat — government, crime, a sports team — to people who aren’t in the business

Reasonable folks know that; folks who don’t get that aren’t going to be swayed by a logical rendition of the reasons behind it.

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm

How can so many of my favorite posters want the DH? What the heck is wrong with you people? I suppose I can understand a fan of an AL team wanting the switch, or just to have the leagues the same, but…

Again, what is wrong with you people? OK, I’m gonna tell myself that Chop was doing his opposite-thing, and Efrim is distracted by the Penguins. Yeah, there we go.

Bay Area Steve, that was funny. I really don’t don’t know why I want the DH, other than I just feel like American League teams are benefitting from having it. They have more talent, and have had it for the last 5-8 years or so. It might not be the DH, could just be that they have more large market teams and the talent level across the two leagues just comes and goes. But for some reason I always think of the DH. It’s a subject I haven’t exactly have a firm, 100% stance on, I guess.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm

Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season…

Dump Gonzo and MFIKY and get C.C.!

Use Petey-Pabb as the Closer and let Easy-E be the set up man!

monty

September 23rd, 2009
3:42 pm

Jim
On the ALL-Star game

IMHO the All-Star lost some of it’s pizzaz due to overexposure. Used to years ago you only got the Saturday game of the week and you watched it no matter who was playing because it’s all you got. Now days every team televises and you have ESPN showing all the highlights several times a day,and internet and so forth. There isn’t much “mystery” left in the game now. THere is no feeling of “I can’t wait to see this particular star I’ve heard so much about but haven’t seen.” We see them daily if we desire to!

Born2Buzz

September 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm

Looking at the Rockies remaining schedule and the Bravos schedule, there is still a glimmer of hope. Won’t it be a shame when the Braves finish a game or 2 out of the playoffs and we look back and wonder if only?:
If only Hanson had been in the rotation right out of spring training.
If only Bobby hadn’t stuck with KJ and Shaffer for 2 months.
If only we didn’t have the hole in the lineup that was Francour for 3 months.
If only Bobby hadn’t kept Norton on the team and kept sending him up there for meaningful, game winning impact ABs.

And if we lose out by just 1 game, if only Bobby hadn’t pulled Hanson after the 8 inning gem against the Astros.

I can think of a few other games in the year where Bobby made or didn’t make a move that had me scratching my head. I’m sure there are those regulars on this blog that have paid more attention than me and could cite many such instances. I think an old adage is that managerial moves really only affect the outcome of 15-20 games a year and usually it’s split even between wins and losses that the manager is responsible for, the rest is just talent. Anyone want to guess if Bobby was responsible for more wins than losses this year?

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm

DOB, Did you go see Jane’s Addiction play with NIN this summer. The show was amazing. Maybe the last time for me to see both. I hope the Braves make the playoffs, but even if they don’t it’s been fun to watch them the last couple of weeks. They didn’t roll over and die…as a life long fan I really appreciate the Braves playing their hardest even after the season is “over”.

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm

Tomahawkin, Tampa Bay has a club option on Crawford for next year. Word was that they traded Kazmir to free up money to keep Crawford.

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
3:46 pm

And go Pens! Friday, October 2nd opener agaisnt the Rangers. Can’t wait for the NHL season to start.

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm

Born2Buzz – Norton didn’t win any games this year, but he didn’t lose any either. A pinch-hitter is responsible for that one at-bat and nothing more.

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm

Efrim…Go Thrashers and Go Braves. I got tickets to the Braves last game vs Nationals and I’m still hoping to see a playoff clinching win

stamper

September 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm

i don’t think we have much of a chance… however… 6 of Colorado’s remaining 11 games are against the Cardinals and Dodgers. And they also have a series against Milwaukee… it is possible for the Rockies to go 5-6 the rest of the way. just not very probable.

but still, we’d have to go 10-1 just to force that 1-game playoff. (still kinda makes you wish the Braves would have won that last game against Colorado before the break, don’t it)

southern hope

September 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm

nobody wants to believe more than me! But aren’t I right in thinking that if the Braves (or any team) were playing, say, even a high school baseball team, wouldn’t it be hard to win 10 in a row of anything?

but i’m stilll going to be there with my roasted peanuts tonight….listening to Don Sutton on the radio.

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm

Born2Buzz: Just think if we had another manager we would be 162-0. Damn Bobby. He also got us many wins by putting Moylan in at the exact moment to get a double play if that’s your reasoning. Too much emphasis on the manager. IMO

A Braves Fan in Dawg Country

September 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm

DOB,
Thanks for a great explanation. When I saw the comment criticizing the AJC reports, I meant to post and say that he surely didn’t mean your work. We Braves fans really appreciate the work you (and Carrol) put in. But thanks for the great explanation of all you have to consider before you write an article. The guy posting seemed to be a real Braves fan, and as such, has to love your work. Think he must have really meant all those non-beat-writer guys …

N8

September 23rd, 2009
3:53 pm

<strong)DOB, I know you told another blogger on the other blog, that you don’t have time for LOST (totally understand – there is about a half dozen, or more shows that I would LOVE to get into, but have no time), and also you stated that it didn’t do much for you after a couple of episodes. I also completely understand that, I didn’t watch the first season, but caught enough of it with my wife and mom getting into it.

But once you get into the season about 6 or 7 episodes, your pretty much hooked. Best writing of any show on regular networks (I think FX, HBO and Showtime have more room to be more “real” with the issue of language and content, that the networks can’t – or choose to not – get away with), and pretty much spend 6 months itching for that show to start. Though, I would say that House is a close 2nd or maybe even better, but different. LOST is much deeper than house, and requires you to pretty much pay attention to every second and detail. Some people don’t like to do that, but you don’t strike me as one, that wouldn’t like having to think while watching a show.

With it ending this season, that would free you up to buy or rent it on DVD sometime next year, which I completely recommend. I don’t know anybody that has given it a full season, that isn’t completely enthralled by it, and can walk away.

Then again, I watch American Idol, so don’t take my word for it.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
3:54 pm

When asked about the possibility of a manger not coming back whats a player to say? “That would be great?” I don’t doubt Diaz’ sincerity. I would like a coach who instilled confidence in me and gave me a chance to play semi’regularly too. But what has that got to do with your manager sitting on his hands and watching Lowe or Vazquez have a meltdown on the mound and not doing anything about it until the game is out of hand? No player in his right mind would ever come out and say that “Skip made a mistake yesterday leaving Lowe in for so long, cost us the game!?” Maybe they do off record like DOB said he couldn’t write about, but I sincerely doubt that a player would ever throw his coach under the bus like that to any writer, especially for a manager who is known for never throwing his players under the bus!

Piedmont Blues

September 23rd, 2009
3:55 pm

Kelly Johnson Fan Club,

KJ’s had two starts this month. Something tells me he’s not on Bobby’s Christmas card list.

MZ

September 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm

DOB ——
You heard about the new Tom Petty + Heartbreakers 4-disc live anthology? Supposed to be full of good stuff .. just google it ..
also: you had a chance to pick up the new Big Star boxed set?

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
3:57 pm

BAS,

My feelings about the DH aren’t rooted in any kind of statistical reasoning. I’ve never liked it, but I know the union would never get rid of it in the AL. I’d like to see the same rule applied to the AL and NL. If that means the DH is in the NL, so be it. It ain’t no skin off my a**.

McFann,

I’ll never hate the Phils or Mets. We’ve owned the Mets in my lifetime and, well, the whole “Phils as hated rivals” thing has just never caught on in my mind. I suppose it’s because I grew up watching the Braves in the NL West. That’s when I formed my hate. (Well, aside from the Yankees, that is.) You’ve grown up with the Mets and Phils being division opponents. I can see why you wouldn’t have any use for them.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm

Daslied

Yeah I know about why the Kazmir trade happened…

But at the same time they have a lot of players that are Arb eligible as well. That is my reasoning as to why we need to steal Crawford, given today’s economy he can be had for 3 yrs 30mil

Jonas

September 23rd, 2009
3:59 pm

I didn’t pay attention to the BC/FR Story…why…Because was not true.
That incident that Bobby in ST pack his stuff…Bolognee….First, John Smoltz Sing with the Boston red sox in January 13,2009, ST not start until Feb 12…If that incident happen probably was in Wren office In Atlanta in DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

PMC

September 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm

Take no offense DOB. Yahoo Sports is decidedly Tabloid. They don’t give a crap about fact checking and they don’t have standards… if it seems sort of viable they’ll run with it. They want eyes on thier site they don’t care about accuracy.

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm

Then again, at the same time I thought Nate Dawg was the leadoff hitter we needed…But Bobby refuses to utilize his speed and the running game for that matter. If we Get Crawford, somehow, Bobby will calcel his running game on the bases and that’s what makes him unique.

Carl Crawford has been the 2000’s version of Marquis Grissom

Duke

September 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm

Michael (Kalamazoo, MI)

What is Mike Minor’s potential. I realize he was 21 in A-ball but he dominated late in the year. I guess my real question is what does his stuff project to? Top of the rotation or a backend/bullpen type?
Jim Callis
(2:00 PM)

He has solid if unspectacular stuff, and he really knows how to pitch. I think he’s a future No. 3 starter, but if you really like him, I guess you could talk yourself into calling him a No. 2.

Guess we are trying to build our rotation like it was in the 90’s.
Hanson, Jurrjens, and Manor. = Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine

Duke

September 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm

N8

Totally sold out Lost fan, but defintely not a show that you can just jump in the middle of and have clue what’s going on. Outstanding acting from actors I didn’t even know existed before watching the show. That speaks of great writing. Be interesting to know what your theories are. I watch it with my 15 year old daughter who loves it also, and aside from an occassional love scene don’t have to worry too much about the content. Greatest mystery of alltime on TV.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm

Cox will be back Next Year, “Bank On It!”

It will be like pulling teeth to get him resign, but he and TP need to go…

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm

That is my reasoning as to why we need to steal Crawford

Yes, absolutely, the Braves need all the .450-slugging OFs they can get for 8-figure deals, don’t they?

Geez louise.

PMC

September 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm

Anytime difficult decisions are made people squabble. Men are known to argue loudly about it and then let it go. This is probably the extent of it. Knowing Bobby, if anything were a really pressing issue he just wouldn’t talk about it.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:04 pm

Piedmont Blues

My money is on KJ not being back with us next year!

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
4:05 pm

Minor was taken largely because Roy Clark is in love with Tom Glavine and always tries to find another Tom Glavine in the draft (see Dan Meyer). So yeah, Minor is very comparable to Tom Glavine. Not that he’ll work out that well. But he might.

CB

September 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm

I hope Bobby’s back in 2010. I won’t be able to stand that for long. Should be fun.

splitfinger

September 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm

BREAKING NEWS

As reported on 680theFan:

Bobby will be back for 2010, and retire at year’s end.

AustinBrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm

If Bobby’s back that means Greg Norton will be back. UGH!!!

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm

Norty’s hitting the ball right at ‘em, AustinBrave. He’ll be fine.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm

Must win tonight. We can finally solidify our hold on the runner-up spot in the WC race. Then we can see if COLORADO can be run down.

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm

Joe Fan

September 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm

Just reading between the lines here but things are pointing to this being Bobby’s farewell homestand. Wren call the comments in the article inaccurate which means which means they need tweaking not that they were completely false. Bobby will go out with a winning team and likely be kicked upstairs. There is much to build on with the Braves, so he isn’t leaving the cupboard bare for the next manager. Who want be TP. Wren wants is own man running the team not one of Bobby’s compadres.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm

nc scoots:

CRAQWFORD’s numbers don’t look that great for the money do they?

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm

As soon as I read the thing about Bobby packing his car, I knew it was BS. Whether he can still manage or not, he’s the kinda loyal “company guy” who’d never do such a thing. I don’t believe he’d ever do anything to put the Braves in a bad light, regardless of circumstances.

There are many more positive things about Bobby than negative; it’s a shame the most glaring negative happens to be quickly-deteriorating managerial skill.

splitfinger

September 23rd, 2009
4:12 pm

KJFC: Nice link…

As reported on 680theFan:

1 year contract is signed. Deal is done.

Marc in FL

September 23rd, 2009
4:12 pm

- Glad Bobby’s coming back, I’ll argue with anyone that thinks he’s cost us more games than any other manager has their team this year and hasn’t won us more games than any other manager has for their team. I don’t think he’s the best strategist (There’s a certain trio in the AL that are tried for that title IMO), but I do think he’s good on the field and the best player manager in the game. The only thing he may be truly guilty of is loving too much.

- I hope both Gonzo and MFIKY come back next year, but understand if only one is resigned (and feel pretty confident only one will be resigned)

- I still say Hudson is walking for more money with another team at the end of the year (which is fine, we don’t really need more starters)

- We need a big right handed bat like no tomorrow, or a good switch hitter will suffice. Berkman or Lee are the biggest candidates and we could afford either with Hudson, Gonzo/MFIKY, Anderson, and church coming off the payroll. Wish we would have gotten Morales in the Tex trade, or anyone other than Kotchman (Wren’s only bad move thus far).

- I have a funny feeling McLouth is going to have a career year next year. I think Wren got him cause he’s getting ready to peak. Just a hunch really.

- Liking our chances next year, this team as a lot to be happy about going forward.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

I vote for DAVE BRUNDIGE at GWINNETT.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

Excuse me while I blow my mother loving brains out.

Wait till next year… 2011.

beekay

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

We need to let Huddy go…12 mill plus Garrett’s 3 mill and KJ’s 2 mill equal the 5 year 85 million contract that would bring Matt Holliday here…Medlen,Minor,Parr and JOJO can battle for the 5th spot.

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

ncscoots, Yes, absolutely, the Braves need all the .450-slugging OFs they can get for 8-figure deals, don’t they?

i know its not exactly the same thing, but i subtracted crawford’s caught stealing from his stolen base totals, and added it to his total base number, and his slugging% came out to be .530. so, the fact that he steal so many bases increases his value a ton.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm

If it’s true that Cox is coming back, again, sadly I say:

The more things change the more they stay the same.

I was hoping he would step aside, gracefully…

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm

Norty’s hitting the ball right at ‘em, AustinBrave. He’ll be fine.

And Choppy is hitting the corners with all his pitches, too, LOL. Norty would be happy just to be in the same zipcode of that kind of good. C’mon, Kid!

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm

BC’s back. Fine by me. DAVE B. can wait another year.

Pete

September 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm

DOB since as you say Gordon Edes is a former collegue and is a friend of yours, do you not consider it unusual he didnt call and ask you about it, sometime back in April (Im assuming he didnt)? And if he did, Im not suggesting you should have published it; not at all. Just wondering if you guys would discuss that; same for if you heard something about Boston.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm

But once you get into the season about 6 or 7 episodes, your pretty much hooked. (N8)

nah I watched 2.5 years and never got hooked. Way too dense and wanders all over the place. It rates as one of the most overrated shows on TV IMO. If you did want to get started, the only realistic way would be to go back and start with season one epi one which is likely a l;arge part of his no time comment.. way too much mythology to understand otherwise.I’m a scifi/fantasy fan for 50+ years but it does nothing for me. It’s all just personal taste, but I can understand his thinking on it

Marc in FL

September 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm

Oh and I forgot KJ is probably coming off the payroll too, we really could resign both Gonzo and MFIKY and still have money to trade for a big right handed bat.

nfieldr

September 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm

@mlbCoz is reporting on twitter that BC has signed a one year extension

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

The Braves twittered it, so it shall be. Tweeted it? I feel like a jackass for even typing that.

Anyhoo, glad to see Bobby back for one more year. They will make noise next year.

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

i know its not exactly the same thing

DAP, that’s like saying my aunt is not exactly my uncle, LOL.

nfieldr

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

Day late and $ short… should have checked the comments… my bad

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

If TP is hired away by Hamstrung Hamstrings Of America, look for Ed Norton to be 2010 batting coach.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

Someone please tell me what MFIKY means…

StingerSplash

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

Social Distortion is coming to Hilton Head! Social Distortion is coming to Hilton Head! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Great choice of song today, Mr. O’Brien. Nothing’s Shocking is one of the great American punk albums of all time. (Gee … can’t imagine why you didn’t pick “Pigs in Zen.”). Still pop it into the CD player every so often.
Did Edes just get one source for the Cox-Wren spat? He is a good writer and a very knowledgeable baseball scribe (used to read his stuff in the Globe before he hit the silk from that teetering plane). Wouldn’t any writer with any Boston connection in the last five years be chastened from the Herald’s Patriots taping the Rams walkthrough story that turned out to be rubbish?

splitfinger

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

More:

Braves also announce that all coaches will return for 2010 as well. Bobby will retire at the end of 2010 and remain in an advisory capacity with the Braves through 2015.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season (T Hawkin)

there is a club option I believe

Dr. Braveslove

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

Here’s my 2 cents regarding next year’s roster- while I would love to see a Bay or Holliday signing, I think it’s more realistic that we could get a 2-year deal for LaRoche and a 1-year deal with option for Jermaine Dye. Dye has been terrible since the break, but his career averages suggest that he’s playing through something and his age, 35, should have another year or two left. If this team has those two in the lineup for the whole year, along with Heyward/Diaz, I think we have the pitching to win. We’ll have to trade/not resign one of KK, Hudson, Vazquez, and we need a closer (Bobby loves Pete too much in “need a groundball” situations for him to be it- think Billy Wagner here), but a combo of these deals might improve the offense enough for us to be consistent and keep the payroll in a realistic range.

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

scoots, but you get the point. a guy that steals 50 bases has value beyond what his OPS is.

Jake7

September 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm

You GUYS get excited about a NOSE BLEED. Bobby NEEDS to GO! He is the MOST overrated manager in the GAME!! 14 CHAMPIONSHIPS….ONE WS??? The BEST thing he CAN do is PICK HIS NOSE to the 3rd JOINT!!

The Bravery

September 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm

They just announced Bobby is retiring after the 2010 season…….discuss

Nova Scotia Steve -

September 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm

So long Bobby Cox….We have one more year folks!

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

We can point our fingers to different person as the reason to our misery in 2009:

1. Inside the organization———– Cox

2. Braves player ———————– Chipper

3. Braves opposing team ——— phillies

4. Braves opposing player ——- Howard

Look no further, those 4 ingredients have taken care of our playoff chances.

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

“”Minor was taken largely because Roy Clark is in love with Tom Glavine”"

Buck Owens is twirling in his grave….

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

What does MKIKY mean???

beekay

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

Are you guys saying DOB throws softball questions like the 5 Sunday morning shows did to Obama on Sunday…why did they avoid ACORN and Van Jones questions….because like DOB said they will get canned like beat writers would, or banished, or left out like how Obama froze out Fox News.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm

should be MFIKY

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm

Fill the team with sub .300 ERA pitchers, great middle relievers and a top notch closer and very good to great hitters up and down the lineup and get him a “Big Bopper of a cleanup hitter and some guys off the bench who can actually hit the ball and you’ll see how great a manager he is!! Inspite of himself! LOL!

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm

What are our chances to go 9-2 the rest of the way?, Id say, they are good, I would even say they are very good, since I think we are on a 9 game winning streak when not facing the philliesand 10-2 in the last 12.(Muts, nats, fla, nats)

What are the chances for the rockies to go 4-7? Id say close to none. (sd, cards, mil, lad)

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm

Excuse me while I blow my mother loving brains out.

Wait till next year… 2011. Mitchell

no real reason to assume he won’t be back in 2011 either dude. besides you’d have to be a sharpshooter to hit something that small

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm

nolie, I’d say Lost hit a slump two seasons ago, and it did indeed wander. At times, incomprehensibly, LOL. But I love that sucker overall. It’s just bizarre enough to make me endure the willing suspension of disbelief. Guess that makes me kinda like the folks here who love bunting, LOL.

Drive by blogger

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Jake… you’re so witty and original. When I grow up, I hope to be just like you.

DHD

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Next year will be Bobby’s last. He will do the farewell tour. Not many managers get to do that with dignity. Bobby deserves it.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

What does MFIKY mean???

You Are All Cox Apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Now that I think of it….I’m really going to miss Cox

You Are All Cox Apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Now that I think of it….I’m really going to miss Cox

abwright

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Necromancer, 4:17 pm … “Someone please tell me what MFIKY means…”

I’m pretty sure it stands for “My friend, I kiss you.” because Soriano has such a pleasant, easy-going demeanor on the mound.

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Enter your comments here

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

i know its not exactly the same thing, but i subtracted crawford’s caught stealing from his stolen base totals, and added it to his total base number, and his slugging% came out to be .530. so, the fact that he steal so many bases increases his value a ton. (DAP)

you are kidding about that, right? wow! :roll:

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Why is it so hard to see that since July, when the current lineup was set, that the Braves have played .600 ball? Why?

Why is it so hard to agree that Bobby directly influenced those roster moves? Why?

Why is it so hard to be happy about starting next year with essentially a .600 ball club and their manager? Why?

My god, but there are some dense people in the world.

Jake7

September 23rd, 2009
4:27 pm

Let’s HIRE a TOP NOTCH coach THAT has a PULSE (transfusion)! Bobby best at picking BOOGERS and getting THROWN out of games( A RECORD that he thinks is important)..to rally the TROOPS!

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:27 pm

scoots, but you get the point. a guy that steals 50 bases has value beyond what his OPS is.

But that value doesn’t fit the Braves’ needs, therefore, it means absolutely diddley. That’s what I was addressing in the nut-job’s original post.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:28 pm

abwright

Thanks. Trying to figure out that acronym has costed me a few nights of sleep! ;)

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:29 pm

nscoots – Lost got a little draggy when they were trying to stretch it out to fill episodes. But once they set an end date? Damn, did it get amazing again…

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