Hot Braves still need plenty of help

 

Escobar has been getting key hits all season, and did it again in Tuesday's 3-1 win.

Escobar has been getting key hits all season, and did it again in Tuesday's 3-1 win.

 

 

New York – So the Braves have won 10 of 12 games and have 11 more to play. And like we said last week, it was probably too late regardless of what they did the rest of the way, since the Braves not only needed to roar to the finish after their costly 0-5 skid, but also needed teams ahead of them to stumble.

This fan had the broom out for last week's sweep of Mets in Atlanta. They'll try to complete a another sweep tonight in Flushing.

This fan had the broom out for last week's sweep of Mets in Atlanta. They'll try to complete a another sweep tonight in Flushing.

And here we are, with 11 games left and the Braves five games behind wild-card leader. The Rockies have stumbled slightly, but they would have to skid even worse the rest of the way for the Braves to slip into the postseason, and that’s assuming the Braves win at least nine or 10 of their remaining games.

For those who still want to believe, here’s what would have to happen:

If the Braves (81-70) go 9-2 the rest of the way (given their competition, that’s possible), and finish 90-72, the Rockies (86-65) would have to go 4-7 to force a one-game playoff with the Braves.

Or, if the Braves go 9-2 and the Rockies go 3-8, the Braves would finish ahead of them and win the wild card without a playoff (and humor me for a second by forgetting about San Francisco, which has the same record as the Braves today and, I’m assuming, isn’t going to win nine of its last 11 games).

Now, if the Braves could muster, say, a 10-1 record the rest of the way, then the Rockies could go 5-6 and the Braves would play them in a one-game playoff. Or the Rockies would have to do 4-7 or worse for the Braves to finish as the wild-card winner without a playoff.

These are unlikely scenarios, sure. But not so far-fetched, when you consider that since Sept. 10, Atlanta is 10-2, Colorado is 6-5, San Francisco is 5-6, and Florida is 7-6. The Marlins are a half-game behind the Braves and Giants entering today’s games.

OK, are your heads spinning? Sorry about that, but I’m just trying to put it in real terms, what it would take, now that we’re inside of a dozen games to play.

Unlikely, yes. Extremely unlikely, even. But we’re not talking about it taking a miracle or anything, not given the way the teams involved have played recently.

Then again, just about every time Colorado has gone through any cold stretch, they’ve reeled off a hot one soon after. And after struggling a little through the weekend, they’ve won their past couple of games.

Tonight they’ve got 15-game winner Jason Marquis going against the Padres in Colorado. Meanwhile, here in fabulous Flushing, Queens, the Braves have Tim Hudson facing Mike Pelfrey another Mets pitcher who’s scuffled recently.

For Huddy, it’s his fifth start since returning from rehab for Tommy John surgery. He’s 0-1 with a 5.25 ERA and .327 opponents’ average in his past two, after going 1-0 with a 2.19 ERA and .222 OA in the first two. However, he had a quality start (seven innings, six hits, three runs) on Friday vs. Philly.

He’s 9-5 in 15 starts against the Mets, including 2-1 with a 4.76 ERA in three last season. Carlos Beltran is 21-for-59 (.356) with four homers against him.

As for Pelfrey, he’s is 1-3 with a 7.04 ERA in his past five starts, and dude allowed 18 hits including five homers in 13 innings during his past two.

He’s 2-4 with a 6.29 ERA in nine career games (eight starts) against the Braves, and Pelfrey gave up nine hits, nine runs and two homers in 4-1/3 innings of his last start against them July 17 in Atlanta. Brian McCann is 11-for-23 with a homer against him, Chipper Jones is 6-for-15 with two homers, and Adam LaRoche is 4-for-4.

 

Jurrjens pitched another gem Tuesday night

Jurrjens pitched another gem Tuesday night

 

 

♣  The real news: Overshadowed by Jair Jurrjens’ strong pitching performance last night, and Brian McCann’s hand injury (not serious), and a report about a certain manager angrily packing his car and preparing to call it a career and head home from Dark Star in the middle of spring training, was the most important news of the day: The Braves finally won another game when scoring three runs!

Yes, with their 3-1 win against the Mets on Tuesday, the Braves improved to 2-12 in games in which they scored three runs.

But seriously, that is a rather remarkable stat, don’t you think? No? Oh, well.

 ♣ Speaking of odd stats: I bet you can’t guess who leads the Braves in home runs on the road this season. Or who leads them in on-base plus slugging percentage (OPS) in road games.

Don’t look below before you try to guess.

OK, have you made your choice?

Bet you didn’t guess Matt Diaz as the home-run leader, did ya? He has a team-high nine home runs in 183 at-bats on the road, ahead of  McCann (eight in 236 at-bats) and Chipper (eight in 221 at-bats).

And I know you didn’t guess Nate McLouth as the road OPS leader, did ya?

McLouth has hit .321 with seven homers and a .405 OBP and .525 slugging percentage in 39 road games since being traded to the Braves. That’s a .930 OPS on the road. He’s hit just .218 with two homers and a .638 OPS in 34 home games.

And while we’re on the subject of home/road splits, the relatively pitcher-friendly Turner Field has not had any particularly beneficial affect on Jurrjens’ performance. He’s just this good: 7-4 with a 2.75 REA in 16 road starts.

 ♣ Etc.

Tommy Hanson’s .190 average allowed (37-for-195) by right-handed batters leads all major league qualifiers. That’s not nearly as surprising as this: Kris Medlen’s .189 average (23-for-122) against lefties is the 10th-lowest among NL qualifiers. What’s most unsusual is that Medlen, of course, is right-handed. Righty hitters have a .355 average against him (39-for-110)…. Since being traded to the Braves, Adam LaRoche has hit .457 (16-for-35) with runners in scoring position, with 10 walks and a .553 OBP…. For the season, Yunel Escobar’s .388 average (47-for-121) with RISP ranks second in the majors behind the Cubs’ Aramis Ramirez (.429 in 84 at-bats). Among hitters with as many or more at-bats as Escobar has with RISP, Florida’s Hanley Ramirez has the second-highest average in the majors at .379 (55-for-145), and McCann is fourth at .347 (42-for-121). The Braves have four of the NL’s top 10 qualifying RISP averages, including McLouth (.352, 38-for-108 with Pittsburgh and Atlanta) and Chipper Jones (.340, 35-for-103).

 ♣ For those who might care: I wrote this in comments earlier in the blog this morning, but I’ll repeat it here, with a couple other small things added. Skip over if you’ve already read or don’t care about this inside-reporting stuff.

  Apparently some of our commenters on AJC blogs seem to think that if I, or MLB.com beat writer Mark Bowman, heard during spring training that Bobby Cox had packed his car the night before and was ready to quit and head home because of a squabble(s) with Frank Wren, we wouldn’t have reported it?

Believe me, if either of us had heard that story from a reliable source and felt certain (and our editors agreed) that it was true, I know that either of us — I probably shouldn’t speak for Bowman, but I will — would have reported it. That would have been a hell of a scoop in spring training, the kind you certainly never would pass up if you got it confirmed by one of the parties involved or felt strongly enough that your source was reliable (and then, or course, you would ask the parties directly for a reaction and tell them what you’ve got on record from a reliable source).

I read a comment from someone critical of no one who covers the team having this story, someone incredulous that we hadn’t heard about this and written it during spring training. As though we all are staying in such close quarters during spring training that we could have looked out our window and seen Bobby in the early morning hours, angrily packing his car in the parking lot and murmuring aloud about the GM, something like that.

If this story is true — Gordon Edes, who wrote it at Yahoo.com, is a very good reporter; as I’ve mentioned before, he’s a friend, former colleague at the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, and the guy who first asked me to come over to cover the Marlins with him, before he left for Boston — then it’s something that was told to one writer by one upset or concerned source who didn’t tell anyone else at the time. Hey, that happens. Some sources say something once and never repeat it again, and sometimes they regret saying it at all.

But understand, they don’t typically gather us reporters together to tell us these kinds of things. And we don’t go to coaches and players or the manager or GM each day during spring training and ask, “Is there any potentially career-changing tension going on with you this spring that you’d like to share at this time?” Or, “Did any major drama go on after you left the ballpark yesterday following the workout, any fight with a boss or a player that involved you or anyone you’ve heard about and that you care to divulge? No? OK, good, then let’s discuss pitching plans and how Lowe’s doing with his blister….”

As beat writers (and same for columnists, when they come out to the ballpark) you hear things every day, virtually every time we’re in the clubhouse or talking to this particular player, or this team official or that one. Much of it is said off the record, some of it is conveyed with body language meant to tell you that what the person just said is entirely b.s., so you use it accordingly or at least know that it’s b.s. Much of it is said on background, or with an undrerstanding, either stated or simply conveyed through the trust you’ve developed with that person, that you won’t use it in any way that can lead back to this person.

These are matters and situations that, in this role we’re in, you’ve got to weigh and juggle every day, every time you write. Do you use this or that info knowing that this person or that is not going to want to talk to you again or give you anything good again? Is it too good, too important, to not use, regardless of what it means for any future relationship with this person as a source or just as a good quote? Do you convey to the readers the tension you know exists between this player or that, or between this team official and that player, or how little respect this person has for that one? You might use 10 percent of such info in anything you write, and have to keep the rest to yourself because you don’t think it’s either: a. going to lead directly to any decision or action that affects the team either in the immediate future or long term, or b. the person told you it was off the record, and if it gets out it’s going to be obvious to this person, who probably knows exactly how many people he’s told or how many others are aware of something he’s told you about, that you broke a stated or understood agreement with him not to use the info on record.

Or, if you work in a market where newspapers turn over beat reporters every couple of years because everyone on the team hates them, then you just write the story and don’t worry about the future, since you’ll be moving on to another beat. Of course, you’re also not going to get any interesting stuff from that source or probably from anyone else on the team from that point forward, so forget every writing any human-interest type stuff or proving personal details for readers that players share with you or that you observe when players let their guard down in front of you.

Again, it’s subtle stuff you have to weigh every day, what to use and what to allow to color what you write in order to try to convey to readers without stating things directly. Do we hear about tensions between parties every day, between high-profile parties even? Of course. But if you start writing about every relationship, about the tension you might know exists between this person or that, and you’re a beat writer around the team every day — as opposed to a writer from another city or a national reporter writing a story that you heard from a good source about a team you don’t have day-to-day dealings with — you’re going to have to decide whether it’s worth cutting off that source by writing the story now. In other words, is this story big enough and going to have direct impact enough, right now, to risk not getting information from that source going forward for multiple stories, for many, many other stories you need to write using info on and off the record from that source?

All these are things that must be considered by those in our position. It’s just part of the job. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to express the complicated nature of covering any beat — government, crime, a sports team — to people who aren’t in the business and don’t necessarily care to hear that it’s not always cut-and-dried and that you don’t always get to share everything you know. Particularly in a unique situation, like when you’re dealing with people and personalities who are together in close quarters for nine months of the year — like, say, a baseball team. You have to realize that sometimes you’re going to need to let a columnist or a reporter who’s not assigned to your team write something you know to be true but you can’t write because you need to keep covering the team and keep writing news and inside info every day that you’re going to get because of relationships with people that you need to cultivate and not burn just to have a sexy story that might ultimately not be the be-all, end-all story it would have to be for you to judge it worthy of ending a working relationship with a valuable source.

Oh, I’m well aware some will say this is just long-winded excuse-making or trying to dismiss the Yahoo report. It’s not, at all. As I said, Edes is a damn good reporter, and a friend who attended my wedding. I’m not questioning anything he wrote, and never would. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s scooped me or hundreds of others. Both parties have denied to our Mark Bradley that this incident happened. I don’t know what happened. I wasn’t there, and didn’t hear whispers about it at the time, and neither did anyone else in the media — local or national — who was covering baseball all spring and asking questions about the team, on or off the record. At least not to the degree where anyone was confident enough to write it.

I do remember writing something else this spring that we were confident about, from another source. And when that story didn’t go as the source had told us it would, I do remember taking quite a bit of criticism for not sticking to known facts. I wonder if any of those critics might also be questioning why we didn’t hear this rumor and write it without confirmation from either of the involved parties? Surely not. Right?

 ♦ OK, gotta get over to the ballpark. Let’s take it out with a classic from a band, Jane’s Addiction, that put out a few terrific albums in the 1980s and then fractured too soon. The lyrics aren’t as great as the pounding song as a whole, so here’s a video from the Milan, Italy show on the 1986 tour. (I was at the Miami stop on this tour, from what I can remember.) Warning: Don’t watch if you don’t like heavy alternative rock.

janes_addiction_reunite_nme

“Ocean Size” by Janes’ Addiction (Perry Farrell)

 

Wish I was ocean size

They cannot move you

No one tries

No one pulls you

Out from your hole

Like a tooth aching a jawbone…

 

I was made with a heart of stone

To be broken

With one hard blow

I’ve seen the ocean

Break on the shore

Come together with no harm done…

 

It ain’t easy living…

 

I want to be

As deep

As the ocean

Mother ocean

 

Some people tell me

Home is in the sky

In the sky lives a spy

I want to be more like the ocean

No talking

All action…

No talking

All action…

 

2,373 comments Add your comment

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
3:24 pm

The scheduled starters for the next series (@Washington) are John Lannan, Garrett Mock, and Livan Hernandez. KJ has a 1.133 OPS against Lannan (6-for-15 with 2 doubles and a homer). He’s doubled in his only plate appearance vs. Garrett Mock.

bravo1966

September 23rd, 2009
3:26 pm

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
3:30 pm

Thanks for the new Blog, Chief.

As for Pelfrey, he’s is 1-3 with a 7.04 ERA in his past five starts, and dude allowed 18 hits including five homers in 13 innings during his past two…Brian McCann is 11-for-23 with a homer against him

Nyg…don’t rub it in!

HoCoJo

September 23rd, 2009
3:30 pm

repeated from last blog:

The Braves have had a streak here and there, especially after they started the season 5-1. I think their goose was cooked after the 5 game slide starting Sept 2nd with the Phish.

Kool that DOB mentions the 5 game skid, too!

Hillbilly

September 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm

With the grip she’s got on that broom, that fan in the second pic looks like she’d be good for about 30 hrs and 110 rbi. Is she a free agent?

Brian

September 23rd, 2009
3:33 pm

bravo1966, they copied Bradley’s report on the subject, except the part that says Cox is coming back. They made that up. Read Bradley’s article and notice the difference.

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
3:34 pm

Bobby, we can’t live without you.

Never change, Bobby.

Thrillhouse44

September 23rd, 2009
3:34 pm

DOB, time for you to place a bug in Bobby’s office. Thanks for all you’ve done this year.

Chipper breaks out tonight.

Thrillhouse44

September 23rd, 2009
3:36 pm

I think their goose was cooked after the 5 game slide starting Sept 2nd with the Phish

5 days with Phish, done right, will cook anyone’s goose.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
3:40 pm

Good Lord, the more things change, the more they stay the same….

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm

DOB, I know you wanted to be fully clear (crystal, even, LOL) on the reasoning behind beat writers’ decisions on write-not-write, but, truthfully, the one line says most of it:

Unfortunately, it’s impossible to express the complicated nature of covering any beat — government, crime, a sports team — to people who aren’t in the business

Reasonable folks know that; folks who don’t get that aren’t going to be swayed by a logical rendition of the reasons behind it.

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm

How can so many of my favorite posters want the DH? What the heck is wrong with you people? I suppose I can understand a fan of an AL team wanting the switch, or just to have the leagues the same, but…

Again, what is wrong with you people? OK, I’m gonna tell myself that Chop was doing his opposite-thing, and Efrim is distracted by the Penguins. Yeah, there we go.

Bay Area Steve, that was funny. I really don’t don’t know why I want the DH, other than I just feel like American League teams are benefitting from having it. They have more talent, and have had it for the last 5-8 years or so. It might not be the DH, could just be that they have more large market teams and the talent level across the two leagues just comes and goes. But for some reason I always think of the DH. It’s a subject I haven’t exactly have a firm, 100% stance on, I guess.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
3:41 pm

Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season…

Dump Gonzo and MFIKY and get C.C.!

Use Petey-Pabb as the Closer and let Easy-E be the set up man!

monty

September 23rd, 2009
3:42 pm

Jim
On the ALL-Star game

IMHO the All-Star lost some of it’s pizzaz due to overexposure. Used to years ago you only got the Saturday game of the week and you watched it no matter who was playing because it’s all you got. Now days every team televises and you have ESPN showing all the highlights several times a day,and internet and so forth. There isn’t much “mystery” left in the game now. THere is no feeling of “I can’t wait to see this particular star I’ve heard so much about but haven’t seen.” We see them daily if we desire to!

Born2Buzz

September 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm

Looking at the Rockies remaining schedule and the Bravos schedule, there is still a glimmer of hope. Won’t it be a shame when the Braves finish a game or 2 out of the playoffs and we look back and wonder if only?:
If only Hanson had been in the rotation right out of spring training.
If only Bobby hadn’t stuck with KJ and Shaffer for 2 months.
If only we didn’t have the hole in the lineup that was Francour for 3 months.
If only Bobby hadn’t kept Norton on the team and kept sending him up there for meaningful, game winning impact ABs.

And if we lose out by just 1 game, if only Bobby hadn’t pulled Hanson after the 8 inning gem against the Astros.

I can think of a few other games in the year where Bobby made or didn’t make a move that had me scratching my head. I’m sure there are those regulars on this blog that have paid more attention than me and could cite many such instances. I think an old adage is that managerial moves really only affect the outcome of 15-20 games a year and usually it’s split even between wins and losses that the manager is responsible for, the rest is just talent. Anyone want to guess if Bobby was responsible for more wins than losses this year?

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
3:44 pm

DOB, Did you go see Jane’s Addiction play with NIN this summer. The show was amazing. Maybe the last time for me to see both. I hope the Braves make the playoffs, but even if they don’t it’s been fun to watch them the last couple of weeks. They didn’t roll over and die…as a life long fan I really appreciate the Braves playing their hardest even after the season is “over”.

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
3:45 pm

Tomahawkin, Tampa Bay has a club option on Crawford for next year. Word was that they traded Kazmir to free up money to keep Crawford.

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
3:46 pm

And go Pens! Friday, October 2nd opener agaisnt the Rangers. Can’t wait for the NHL season to start.

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
3:47 pm

Born2Buzz – Norton didn’t win any games this year, but he didn’t lose any either. A pinch-hitter is responsible for that one at-bat and nothing more.

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm

Efrim…Go Thrashers and Go Braves. I got tickets to the Braves last game vs Nationals and I’m still hoping to see a playoff clinching win

stamper

September 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm

i don’t think we have much of a chance… however… 6 of Colorado’s remaining 11 games are against the Cardinals and Dodgers. And they also have a series against Milwaukee… it is possible for the Rockies to go 5-6 the rest of the way. just not very probable.

but still, we’d have to go 10-1 just to force that 1-game playoff. (still kinda makes you wish the Braves would have won that last game against Colorado before the break, don’t it)

southern hope

September 23rd, 2009
3:50 pm

nobody wants to believe more than me! But aren’t I right in thinking that if the Braves (or any team) were playing, say, even a high school baseball team, wouldn’t it be hard to win 10 in a row of anything?

but i’m stilll going to be there with my roasted peanuts tonight….listening to Don Sutton on the radio.

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm

Born2Buzz: Just think if we had another manager we would be 162-0. Damn Bobby. He also got us many wins by putting Moylan in at the exact moment to get a double play if that’s your reasoning. Too much emphasis on the manager. IMO

A Braves Fan in Dawg Country

September 23rd, 2009
3:52 pm

DOB,
Thanks for a great explanation. When I saw the comment criticizing the AJC reports, I meant to post and say that he surely didn’t mean your work. We Braves fans really appreciate the work you (and Carrol) put in. But thanks for the great explanation of all you have to consider before you write an article. The guy posting seemed to be a real Braves fan, and as such, has to love your work. Think he must have really meant all those non-beat-writer guys …

N8

September 23rd, 2009
3:53 pm

<strong)DOB, I know you told another blogger on the other blog, that you don’t have time for LOST (totally understand – there is about a half dozen, or more shows that I would LOVE to get into, but have no time), and also you stated that it didn’t do much for you after a couple of episodes. I also completely understand that, I didn’t watch the first season, but caught enough of it with my wife and mom getting into it.

But once you get into the season about 6 or 7 episodes, your pretty much hooked. Best writing of any show on regular networks (I think FX, HBO and Showtime have more room to be more “real” with the issue of language and content, that the networks can’t – or choose to not – get away with), and pretty much spend 6 months itching for that show to start. Though, I would say that House is a close 2nd or maybe even better, but different. LOST is much deeper than house, and requires you to pretty much pay attention to every second and detail. Some people don’t like to do that, but you don’t strike me as one, that wouldn’t like having to think while watching a show.

With it ending this season, that would free you up to buy or rent it on DVD sometime next year, which I completely recommend. I don’t know anybody that has given it a full season, that isn’t completely enthralled by it, and can walk away.

Then again, I watch American Idol, so don’t take my word for it.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
3:54 pm

When asked about the possibility of a manger not coming back whats a player to say? “That would be great?” I don’t doubt Diaz’ sincerity. I would like a coach who instilled confidence in me and gave me a chance to play semi’regularly too. But what has that got to do with your manager sitting on his hands and watching Lowe or Vazquez have a meltdown on the mound and not doing anything about it until the game is out of hand? No player in his right mind would ever come out and say that “Skip made a mistake yesterday leaving Lowe in for so long, cost us the game!?” Maybe they do off record like DOB said he couldn’t write about, but I sincerely doubt that a player would ever throw his coach under the bus like that to any writer, especially for a manager who is known for never throwing his players under the bus!

Piedmont Blues

September 23rd, 2009
3:55 pm

Kelly Johnson Fan Club,

KJ’s had two starts this month. Something tells me he’s not on Bobby’s Christmas card list.

MZ

September 23rd, 2009
3:56 pm

DOB ——
You heard about the new Tom Petty + Heartbreakers 4-disc live anthology? Supposed to be full of good stuff .. just google it ..
also: you had a chance to pick up the new Big Star boxed set?

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
3:57 pm

BAS,

My feelings about the DH aren’t rooted in any kind of statistical reasoning. I’ve never liked it, but I know the union would never get rid of it in the AL. I’d like to see the same rule applied to the AL and NL. If that means the DH is in the NL, so be it. It ain’t no skin off my a**.

McFann,

I’ll never hate the Phils or Mets. We’ve owned the Mets in my lifetime and, well, the whole “Phils as hated rivals” thing has just never caught on in my mind. I suppose it’s because I grew up watching the Braves in the NL West. That’s when I formed my hate. (Well, aside from the Yankees, that is.) You’ve grown up with the Mets and Phils being division opponents. I can see why you wouldn’t have any use for them.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm

Daslied

Yeah I know about why the Kazmir trade happened…

But at the same time they have a lot of players that are Arb eligible as well. That is my reasoning as to why we need to steal Crawford, given today’s economy he can be had for 3 yrs 30mil

Jonas

September 23rd, 2009
3:59 pm

I didn’t pay attention to the BC/FR Story…why…Because was not true.
That incident that Bobby in ST pack his stuff…Bolognee….First, John Smoltz Sing with the Boston red sox in January 13,2009, ST not start until Feb 12…If that incident happen probably was in Wren office In Atlanta in DECEMBER OR JANUARY.

PMC

September 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm

Take no offense DOB. Yahoo Sports is decidedly Tabloid. They don’t give a crap about fact checking and they don’t have standards… if it seems sort of viable they’ll run with it. They want eyes on thier site they don’t care about accuracy.

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
4:00 pm

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm

Then again, at the same time I thought Nate Dawg was the leadoff hitter we needed…But Bobby refuses to utilize his speed and the running game for that matter. If we Get Crawford, somehow, Bobby will calcel his running game on the bases and that’s what makes him unique.

Carl Crawford has been the 2000’s version of Marquis Grissom

Duke

September 23rd, 2009
4:01 pm

Michael (Kalamazoo, MI)

What is Mike Minor’s potential. I realize he was 21 in A-ball but he dominated late in the year. I guess my real question is what does his stuff project to? Top of the rotation or a backend/bullpen type?
Jim Callis
(2:00 PM)

He has solid if unspectacular stuff, and he really knows how to pitch. I think he’s a future No. 3 starter, but if you really like him, I guess you could talk yourself into calling him a No. 2.

Guess we are trying to build our rotation like it was in the 90’s.
Hanson, Jurrjens, and Manor. = Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine

Duke

September 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm

N8

Totally sold out Lost fan, but defintely not a show that you can just jump in the middle of and have clue what’s going on. Outstanding acting from actors I didn’t even know existed before watching the show. That speaks of great writing. Be interesting to know what your theories are. I watch it with my 15 year old daughter who loves it also, and aside from an occassional love scene don’t have to worry too much about the content. Greatest mystery of alltime on TV.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
4:02 pm

Cox will be back Next Year, “Bank On It!”

It will be like pulling teeth to get him resign, but he and TP need to go…

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm

That is my reasoning as to why we need to steal Crawford

Yes, absolutely, the Braves need all the .450-slugging OFs they can get for 8-figure deals, don’t they?

Geez louise.

PMC

September 23rd, 2009
4:03 pm

Anytime difficult decisions are made people squabble. Men are known to argue loudly about it and then let it go. This is probably the extent of it. Knowing Bobby, if anything were a really pressing issue he just wouldn’t talk about it.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:04 pm

Piedmont Blues

My money is on KJ not being back with us next year!

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
4:05 pm

Minor was taken largely because Roy Clark is in love with Tom Glavine and always tries to find another Tom Glavine in the draft (see Dan Meyer). So yeah, Minor is very comparable to Tom Glavine. Not that he’ll work out that well. But he might.

CB

September 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm

I hope Bobby’s back in 2010. I won’t be able to stand that for long. Should be fun.

splitfinger

September 23rd, 2009
4:06 pm

BREAKING NEWS

As reported on 680theFan:

Bobby will be back for 2010, and retire at year’s end.

AustinBrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm

If Bobby’s back that means Greg Norton will be back. UGH!!!

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm

Norty’s hitting the ball right at ‘em, AustinBrave. He’ll be fine.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm

Must win tonight. We can finally solidify our hold on the runner-up spot in the WC race. Then we can see if COLORADO can be run down.

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
4:10 pm

Joe Fan

September 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm

Just reading between the lines here but things are pointing to this being Bobby’s farewell homestand. Wren call the comments in the article inaccurate which means which means they need tweaking not that they were completely false. Bobby will go out with a winning team and likely be kicked upstairs. There is much to build on with the Braves, so he isn’t leaving the cupboard bare for the next manager. Who want be TP. Wren wants is own man running the team not one of Bobby’s compadres.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm

nc scoots:

CRAQWFORD’s numbers don’t look that great for the money do they?

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm

As soon as I read the thing about Bobby packing his car, I knew it was BS. Whether he can still manage or not, he’s the kinda loyal “company guy” who’d never do such a thing. I don’t believe he’d ever do anything to put the Braves in a bad light, regardless of circumstances.

There are many more positive things about Bobby than negative; it’s a shame the most glaring negative happens to be quickly-deteriorating managerial skill.

splitfinger

September 23rd, 2009
4:12 pm

KJFC: Nice link…

As reported on 680theFan:

1 year contract is signed. Deal is done.

Marc in FL

September 23rd, 2009
4:12 pm

- Glad Bobby’s coming back, I’ll argue with anyone that thinks he’s cost us more games than any other manager has their team this year and hasn’t won us more games than any other manager has for their team. I don’t think he’s the best strategist (There’s a certain trio in the AL that are tried for that title IMO), but I do think he’s good on the field and the best player manager in the game. The only thing he may be truly guilty of is loving too much.

- I hope both Gonzo and MFIKY come back next year, but understand if only one is resigned (and feel pretty confident only one will be resigned)

- I still say Hudson is walking for more money with another team at the end of the year (which is fine, we don’t really need more starters)

- We need a big right handed bat like no tomorrow, or a good switch hitter will suffice. Berkman or Lee are the biggest candidates and we could afford either with Hudson, Gonzo/MFIKY, Anderson, and church coming off the payroll. Wish we would have gotten Morales in the Tex trade, or anyone other than Kotchman (Wren’s only bad move thus far).

- I have a funny feeling McLouth is going to have a career year next year. I think Wren got him cause he’s getting ready to peak. Just a hunch really.

- Liking our chances next year, this team as a lot to be happy about going forward.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

I vote for DAVE BRUNDIGE at GWINNETT.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

Excuse me while I blow my mother loving brains out.

Wait till next year… 2011.

beekay

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

We need to let Huddy go…12 mill plus Garrett’s 3 mill and KJ’s 2 mill equal the 5 year 85 million contract that would bring Matt Holliday here…Medlen,Minor,Parr and JOJO can battle for the 5th spot.

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:13 pm

ncscoots, Yes, absolutely, the Braves need all the .450-slugging OFs they can get for 8-figure deals, don’t they?

i know its not exactly the same thing, but i subtracted crawford’s caught stealing from his stolen base totals, and added it to his total base number, and his slugging% came out to be .530. so, the fact that he steal so many bases increases his value a ton.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm

If it’s true that Cox is coming back, again, sadly I say:

The more things change the more they stay the same.

I was hoping he would step aside, gracefully…

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:14 pm

Norty’s hitting the ball right at ‘em, AustinBrave. He’ll be fine.

And Choppy is hitting the corners with all his pitches, too, LOL. Norty would be happy just to be in the same zipcode of that kind of good. C’mon, Kid!

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm

BC’s back. Fine by me. DAVE B. can wait another year.

Pete

September 23rd, 2009
4:15 pm

DOB since as you say Gordon Edes is a former collegue and is a friend of yours, do you not consider it unusual he didnt call and ask you about it, sometime back in April (Im assuming he didnt)? And if he did, Im not suggesting you should have published it; not at all. Just wondering if you guys would discuss that; same for if you heard something about Boston.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm

But once you get into the season about 6 or 7 episodes, your pretty much hooked. (N8)

nah I watched 2.5 years and never got hooked. Way too dense and wanders all over the place. It rates as one of the most overrated shows on TV IMO. If you did want to get started, the only realistic way would be to go back and start with season one epi one which is likely a l;arge part of his no time comment.. way too much mythology to understand otherwise.I’m a scifi/fantasy fan for 50+ years but it does nothing for me. It’s all just personal taste, but I can understand his thinking on it

Marc in FL

September 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm

Oh and I forgot KJ is probably coming off the payroll too, we really could resign both Gonzo and MFIKY and still have money to trade for a big right handed bat.

nfieldr

September 23rd, 2009
4:16 pm

@mlbCoz is reporting on twitter that BC has signed a one year extension

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

The Braves twittered it, so it shall be. Tweeted it? I feel like a jackass for even typing that.

Anyhoo, glad to see Bobby back for one more year. They will make noise next year.

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

i know its not exactly the same thing

DAP, that’s like saying my aunt is not exactly my uncle, LOL.

nfieldr

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

Day late and $ short… should have checked the comments… my bad

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

If TP is hired away by Hamstrung Hamstrings Of America, look for Ed Norton to be 2010 batting coach.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:17 pm

Someone please tell me what MFIKY means…

StingerSplash

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

Social Distortion is coming to Hilton Head! Social Distortion is coming to Hilton Head! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Great choice of song today, Mr. O’Brien. Nothing’s Shocking is one of the great American punk albums of all time. (Gee … can’t imagine why you didn’t pick “Pigs in Zen.”). Still pop it into the CD player every so often.
Did Edes just get one source for the Cox-Wren spat? He is a good writer and a very knowledgeable baseball scribe (used to read his stuff in the Globe before he hit the silk from that teetering plane). Wouldn’t any writer with any Boston connection in the last five years be chastened from the Herald’s Patriots taping the Rams walkthrough story that turned out to be rubbish?

splitfinger

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

More:

Braves also announce that all coaches will return for 2010 as well. Bobby will retire at the end of 2010 and remain in an advisory capacity with the Braves through 2015.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season (T Hawkin)

there is a club option I believe

Dr. Braveslove

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

Here’s my 2 cents regarding next year’s roster- while I would love to see a Bay or Holliday signing, I think it’s more realistic that we could get a 2-year deal for LaRoche and a 1-year deal with option for Jermaine Dye. Dye has been terrible since the break, but his career averages suggest that he’s playing through something and his age, 35, should have another year or two left. If this team has those two in the lineup for the whole year, along with Heyward/Diaz, I think we have the pitching to win. We’ll have to trade/not resign one of KK, Hudson, Vazquez, and we need a closer (Bobby loves Pete too much in “need a groundball” situations for him to be it- think Billy Wagner here), but a combo of these deals might improve the offense enough for us to be consistent and keep the payroll in a realistic range.

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:18 pm

scoots, but you get the point. a guy that steals 50 bases has value beyond what his OPS is.

Jake7

September 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm

You GUYS get excited about a NOSE BLEED. Bobby NEEDS to GO! He is the MOST overrated manager in the GAME!! 14 CHAMPIONSHIPS….ONE WS??? The BEST thing he CAN do is PICK HIS NOSE to the 3rd JOINT!!

The Bravery

September 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm

They just announced Bobby is retiring after the 2010 season…….discuss

Nova Scotia Steve -

September 23rd, 2009
4:21 pm

So long Bobby Cox….We have one more year folks!

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

We can point our fingers to different person as the reason to our misery in 2009:

1. Inside the organization———– Cox

2. Braves player ———————– Chipper

3. Braves opposing team ——— phillies

4. Braves opposing player ——- Howard

Look no further, those 4 ingredients have taken care of our playoff chances.

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

“”Minor was taken largely because Roy Clark is in love with Tom Glavine”"

Buck Owens is twirling in his grave….

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

What does MKIKY mean???

beekay

September 23rd, 2009
4:22 pm

Are you guys saying DOB throws softball questions like the 5 Sunday morning shows did to Obama on Sunday…why did they avoid ACORN and Van Jones questions….because like DOB said they will get canned like beat writers would, or banished, or left out like how Obama froze out Fox News.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm

should be MFIKY

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm

Fill the team with sub .300 ERA pitchers, great middle relievers and a top notch closer and very good to great hitters up and down the lineup and get him a “Big Bopper of a cleanup hitter and some guys off the bench who can actually hit the ball and you’ll see how great a manager he is!! Inspite of himself! LOL!

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
4:23 pm

What are our chances to go 9-2 the rest of the way?, Id say, they are good, I would even say they are very good, since I think we are on a 9 game winning streak when not facing the philliesand 10-2 in the last 12.(Muts, nats, fla, nats)

What are the chances for the rockies to go 4-7? Id say close to none. (sd, cards, mil, lad)

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm

Excuse me while I blow my mother loving brains out.

Wait till next year… 2011. Mitchell

no real reason to assume he won’t be back in 2011 either dude. besides you’d have to be a sharpshooter to hit something that small

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:24 pm

nolie, I’d say Lost hit a slump two seasons ago, and it did indeed wander. At times, incomprehensibly, LOL. But I love that sucker overall. It’s just bizarre enough to make me endure the willing suspension of disbelief. Guess that makes me kinda like the folks here who love bunting, LOL.

Drive by blogger

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Jake… you’re so witty and original. When I grow up, I hope to be just like you.

DHD

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Next year will be Bobby’s last. He will do the farewell tour. Not many managers get to do that with dignity. Bobby deserves it.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

What does MFIKY mean???

You Are All Cox Apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Now that I think of it….I’m really going to miss Cox

You Are All Cox Apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm

Now that I think of it….I’m really going to miss Cox

abwright

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Necromancer, 4:17 pm … “Someone please tell me what MFIKY means…”

I’m pretty sure it stands for “My friend, I kiss you.” because Soriano has such a pleasant, easy-going demeanor on the mound.

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Enter your comments here

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

i know its not exactly the same thing, but i subtracted crawford’s caught stealing from his stolen base totals, and added it to his total base number, and his slugging% came out to be .530. so, the fact that he steal so many bases increases his value a ton. (DAP)

you are kidding about that, right? wow! :roll:

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Why is it so hard to see that since July, when the current lineup was set, that the Braves have played .600 ball? Why?

Why is it so hard to agree that Bobby directly influenced those roster moves? Why?

Why is it so hard to be happy about starting next year with essentially a .600 ball club and their manager? Why?

My god, but there are some dense people in the world.

Jake7

September 23rd, 2009
4:27 pm

Let’s HIRE a TOP NOTCH coach THAT has a PULSE (transfusion)! Bobby best at picking BOOGERS and getting THROWN out of games( A RECORD that he thinks is important)..to rally the TROOPS!

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:27 pm

scoots, but you get the point. a guy that steals 50 bases has value beyond what his OPS is.

But that value doesn’t fit the Braves’ needs, therefore, it means absolutely diddley. That’s what I was addressing in the nut-job’s original post.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:28 pm

abwright

Thanks. Trying to figure out that acronym has costed me a few nights of sleep! ;)

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:29 pm

nscoots – Lost got a little draggy when they were trying to stretch it out to fill episodes. But once they set an end date? Damn, did it get amazing again…

Voice from the past

September 23rd, 2009
4:29 pm

Well said, Daslied (4:26), well said.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

September 23rd, 2009
4:30 pm

Bobby Cox is coming back in 2010! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
4:30 pm

Come on back Freddi Gonzalez/Ned Yost/Don Baylor

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:30 pm

I’m hoping the Braves will play really hard next year, then, since that will be Cox’s last year and all.

It’d be nice to send him out on top. Kind of like the way Bill Cowher did.

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

nolie, no not joking. im not sure why youd think that. just an illustration of how a player who steals alot of bases is more valuable than what his OPS tells you.

scoots, i agree with you. i think crawford would make this a better team, but not as much as a player who REALLY has a .530 slg%.

You all are Cox apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

MY WORST NIGHTMARE HAS COME TRUE!

Cox back in 2010?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

Chop Chop

Ah, I getcha…makes total sense.

I really just “hate” the Mets as a rule–that started in ‘06 when they won the Division as the Braves’ Streak ended–since the Braves have owned them so, I don’t dread the series against them as much…

The Fillies…blech! I just…I can’t stand that team! And after last year, well, that “despisement” really ballooned. :x And Shane Victorino (the Reaper) is my least favorite player of all NL East teams (I think…obviously that’s subject to change. :P ), so it was fun that the Braves essentially owned him this year.

Jake7

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

Drive BY Blogger…..I am CLEVER & SMART..YOUR problem is you are NOT WISE to the fact that he is DONE!!!

Oh God No

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

From AJC’s “Breaking News”: “I share with all of our great Braves fans the excitement over the good news of Bobby’s signing a 2010 contract extension,” said Braves President John Schuerholz.

Are they insane? Have they actually listened to the fans? Looked at the standings? There are more than 5 games – the current difference with Colorado – lost due to Cox’s old, complacent way of doing things (Greg Norton, leaving in pitching when obviously hurting, yanking Escobar for ‘lapses’ at critical games, etc.).

I am done. A believer since 1991, I can’t stand the consistently bad decisions, and appreciate the more hands-on, pro-active styles of LaRussa and Torre, who have 6 world titles to Cox’s 1. I think everyone would appreciate it if the AJC writers stop treating Cox with kid gloves. This “emperor” has no clothes.

KC

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

Greg Maddux for Manager in 2011!!!!!!

You all are Cox apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:31 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You all are Cox apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm

WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

timthebrave

September 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm

Necromancer, i think it is “mother fu$#@, I kill you”….because he looks like it

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm

URGENT-BBL-Braves-Cox,
INDEX:Sports
Cox to retire as Braves manager after next season

NEW YORK – The Atlanta Braves say Bobby Cox will retire as manager after the 2010 season.

The team says Cox agreed to a one-year contract extension for 2010, then will start a five-year consulting agreement to advise the team in baseball operations.

Cox managed the Braves from 1978 to ‘81, switched to manage the Toronto Blue Jays from 1982 to ‘85, then returned to manage Atlanta in 1990.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm

I admit, I don’t agree with Cox coming back for next year, but, there is nothing that I can do about it.

So, with that being said..I’m hoping that the team will play their @sses off next year and give him another championship.

A boy can only dream, right?

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm

Just got upstairs after the interview with Frank and Bobby. As you’ve heard, Cox is coming back for one season to manage, then has a five-year contract to be an advisor. They said that with all the misinformation and speculation out there the past couple of days, they went ahead and announced now what they were going to announce after the road trip.

Both again denied that anything close to what reportedly happened in spring training actually happened. Bobby said sure, they’ve had disagreements like any GM and manager, but he laughed at the suggestion that he almost quit because of any of those disagreements.

Oh, and McCANN is in the lineup. Just talked to him, and he tested it swinging.

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm

Daslied, roger that, re your 4:29. Writers stopped doing so much writing, and started doing more thinking, LOL. Those dudes probably spent a couple of mescal-filled hallucinatory weeks writing out the story line until its end, and then just let it rip, LOL.

Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}

September 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm

BOBBY IS COMING BACK!
UGH!

abwright

September 23rd, 2009
4:33 pm

Although I think the Braves are an extreme long-shot to make the post-season, I still hope they sweep the stinking Mets tonight. That alone will be a late season satisfaction.

If the Braves can run this current win streak up to a 7-8 gamer, I have a feeling that a few more people will start climbing onto the ole bandwagon, as they did for the previous win streak.

I strongly suspect that both LA and STL will be very motivated to pound COL. If you get a chance to eliminate a potential playoff contender late in the season, you better take.

During COL’s historic late-season run, ARI had several chances to eliminate the Rock-heads. They failed and the Rock-heads swept them out of the NL Championship.

So, a 1-5 versus STL and LA would give ATL a much improved chance to get in.

Last night’s game against the Mets showed that the Braves are still determined, but the Mets are wilting after a long, depressing season. Hope the same is true with the gNats.

It’s Sept. 23, and the Braves are not yet eliminated. Haven’t been able to say that for a few years.

jack bull

September 23rd, 2009
4:34 pm

never got an answer on MCLOUTH, LEW, on if he’s still hurt or not. there’s got to be a reason he’s not attempting to swipe a base or two.. as for COX retiring next year, saw this one coming along time ago.. actually thought he might do it after this year,,,guess he wants his own farewell tour..

pure shame we waited until the very end to start playing loosy goosy, except against philly, and started to have fun on the baseball field..you can really tell we’re playing with absolutely nothing to lose.. sure would like to have a few of those games back against san diego and cinci….

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
4:34 pm

Wow…that’s some big news about Bobby…

My Grandpa’s gonna be counting down till 2011. :roll:

;)

BravesfaninWis

September 23rd, 2009
4:34 pm

Two things are certain now,

1. Bobby Cox will be back next year.
2. I will not spend a dime on the Braves until Cox is gone for good. I won’t even watch a game next season that is how fed up I am with a Bobby Cox led Braves team..

Frank Wren is outside of his mind to bring Cox back for another year.. Can’t he see that the game has past Bobby by? Cox can’t do anything right these days.. He keeps starting pitching in way to long while they are getting pounded (Lowe and Kawakami) lets relievers blow several games in a weeks time (O’Flaherty, Gonzalez, and Soriano) doesn’t do the little things right like hit and runs, steals, and constantly brings is Greg Norton when the game is on the line to bat..

Good luck 2010 Braves.. You will have a even older and more senile Bobby Cox returning along with a older and gimpier Chipper Jones.. Doesn’t matter who they bring in as long as Cox is here, he will just under utilize any player we bring in.. I will start watching games again in 2011 providing Cox really retires, if he doesn’t, I will start watching again when he does leave no matter how long that may be.. I am a Braves fan till death, I just can’t support Bobby Cox anymore..

You all are Cox apologists

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

2010 is a failure already! Mark it down! Unless Cox dies, (I wouldn’t wish death upon my worst enemy, not even Cox) the Braves will go a 5TH consecutive season without qualifying for the post-season.

Wren, are you NUTS????????????????????????????????????

N8

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

“I share with all of our great Braves fans the excitement over the good news of Bobby’s signing a 2010 contract extension.” JS

Speak for yourself, John. (sigh)

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

awesome update, DOB. stuff like that is why this blog is my #1 braves info source. thanks.

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

Braves owners, JS and FW all deserve this misery their team is living……….bringing Cox back in 2010 shows nothing but their ineptitude.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

I’ll just ease my frustrations through reading other people’s post on the matter.

Witch Doctor Soriano

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

Awesome! The perfect way for Bobby to end it. Next season’s team should be a contender. Let ‘em win one more ring for Bobby before he leaves.

JTLUK

September 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm

It looks like the terms of his contract provide for him to become a “consultant” with the team for five years after next year, so maybe just maybe he really is serious this time about retiring.

indianabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm

it is a good thing that Cox is coming back next year. good job Frank and John S.

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm

Oh, and McCANN is in the lineup. Just talked to him, and he tested it swinging.

Thanks, Chief! Hopefully it will be worth it…ya know how it goes whenever I get really excited about a pitching matchup. :roll:

And thanks for the other stuff, too.

Herschel Talker

September 23rd, 2009
4:38 pm

BOOBY NEEDS TO GO NOW! 2010 IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER WASTED YEAR!

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
4:38 pm

JEFF FRANCOEUR HAS JUST BEEN TRADED!

chip carey's eyebrows

September 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm

boo the best manager in franchise history is coming back, boo

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
4:39 pm

The same people that are so excited Bobby is coming back are probably the same ones in April that will be shouting, “Why does this man continue to bat LaRoche that low in the lineup?” and, “Jesus, Bobby, you planning on wearing those bp arms out in April…. IT’S 6-0 YOU MORON!!”

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
4:40 pm

OK, I gotta go back down and get some players for a player reaction sidebar to go with main bar I’m gonna write after I get back. Gonna be a busy night and won’t be able to do much except give you quotes as I transcribe them, as far as the blog goes.

Herschel Talker

September 23rd, 2009
4:40 pm

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-braves/cox-to-retire-after-145108.html

“Cox, 68, was given a one-year extension for next season as manager and then will be begin a five-year consulting agreement from 2011-2015 to serve in an advisory role to the Braves.”:

What’s he going to consult them on? How to pick your nose on TV, how to get ejected while looking like a buffoon, and how to waste prime talent?

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:40 pm

Doc Holiday

Well said…

Shamus Thacker

September 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm

“”Why is it so hard to agree that Bobby directly influenced those roster moves? Why?”"

Bobby was in the dark regarding the handling of Smoltz and Glavine. Therefore, I don’t believe he had prior knowledge that Frenchy would be traded. If Frenchy had hung around, he’d be out there till this day, and wouldn’t have enjoyed the resurgence he’s found elsewhere. If Bennett’s hand was fine, same for him. If KJ hadn’t been injured, same for him. Wren had everything to do with what turned this thing around; Bobby, not so much. Even with this “.600 team,” Bobby’s made enough baffling moves to prevent it being .700…

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
4:41 pm

And, I thought today was going to be uneventful. I’ve missed some of you crazies.

:roll:

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm

Put on your Poncho DOB.

The bullpen boys are probably celebrating like they just won the World Series

BravesfaninWis

September 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm

To make things even worse, the Braves announced that the entire coaching staff will be back.. Wasn’t this season bad enough, now they have to make us fans go through misery again next season? If it weren’t for the poor decisions of Bobby Cox this year, we could already have the WC spot wrapped up, and possibly even contending for the division title.. Thanks Frank Wren, I guess you aren’t as good of a GM as I gave you credit for..

Carroll Rogers

September 23rd, 2009
4:42 pm

Bobby Cox will retire as manager after the 2010 season, Braves just announced and you’ve surely seen by now. He’ll move into an advisory role after that 2011-2015.

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
4:43 pm

This Cox contract has “mediocrity” written all over it, this is what this franchise has become. Winning is 2nd to loyalty.

Hey you are not disloyal when you let managers and players know that their time has pass or that their chance to proof they are worth it has run down.

4 straight season of mediocrity I think are enough, specially the way this one has transpired.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
4:43 pm

Efrim, you’re a fan of the DH? Ugh. Can’t stand it.

DAP, did you also subtract his caught stealings from his OBP?

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm

Thank you, Bobby. Numbletards and nitwits are running for the blog exits after hearing of your return, LOL. Should make the neighborhood more enjoyable next year, if we can just get the dolts to honor their rants to “give up on the Braves.”

Although I’m waiting for the Vegas line on that action before laying a bet on it, LOL.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm

“While I have decided that 2010 will be my last season in the dugout, I want to make it clear that we will all be working as hard as ever to win another World Championship for the city of Atlanta and our great Braves fans.

Thank you. That’s all I’ve been wanting to hear. But when was the last time he or anybody in this organization actually said anything to that extent? I was praying we could get somebody new who might actually articulate that in clear words and who could convince you of it.

The way he says it though is anything but convincing. I’ll be surprised if we win the wild card next year. If he hadn’t blown at least a dozen games this year we’d be going to the playoffs.

If we actually could have made it this year, I’m convinced we would crush and humiliate any of the division leaders; in spite of Bobby of course. I mean, what really did he do in the series at Dodger Stadium or against the Cardinals in St. Louis? Those were team efforts. I’m even crazy enough to think that if we played the Phillies in the NLCS we would win but if we did somehow make the World Series it would probably all come crashing down.

What further evidence do we need to know that the guy is not a post-season manager? It’s not going to happen. It’s not happening this year, it’s not going to happen next year.

This is a mistake.

I really hope Frank Wren’s favorite color is blue because he’s going to have plenty of empty seats to gaze at in 2010.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm

Efrim, you’re a fan of the DH? Ugh. Can’t stand it.

DAP, did you also subtract his caught stealings from his OBP?

Glad to see Cox back for 2010! On the plus side, this means only one more year of annoying “Cox sucks” posts…

abwright

September 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm

I’m one of the folks who has enjoyed the Bobby Cox dynasty with the Braves.

At the beginning of the season, he looked like he was run down. He looks a lot more into the game here at the end.

Hopefully, Wren will fix the remaining glaring deficiencies in the team over the off-season, and the 2010 Braves will be back to being a dominant NL East contender.

Now, onto the really important speculation … who’s going to manage in 2011? We get to speculate for a whole year!

beekay

September 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm

I think having Cox around for next year is a good thing. I think a new manager would be better suited if we were rebuilding. These players have said repeatedly that they love playing for Bobby. We have a shot at a title next year and I would rather go down with Bobby than with a new or rookie coach…..let the bashing begin!

Thrillhouse44

September 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm

Glad he’ll be back. Not glad that YAACA will be back.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm

“My grandpa’s gonna be counting down till 2011″.

Mine too, McFann. Old pops is certain Bobby is more stubborn than ever and this is coming from a pretty stubborn man himself. He respects the heck out of the man, but realizes this team needs some new blood in the dugout.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm

Shamus Thacker

BC didn’t know Frenchy would be traded,Frenchy as much implied that when he said, “it was a shock(paraphrase) that he and Terry and BC had just been watching film of his hitting the day before.”

I don’t think you watch film with a player you are in the process of trading, knowingly.

Jonas

September 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm

HERE YOU HAVING…This Organization never been in any Soap Opera stage,
cut the whole rumor there….Bobby’s Coming for his last hurra next year.
2010 atlanta Braves World Champion….Do it for Bobby guys….

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:46 pm

Well, Cox’s return for next year isn’t the only thing that I found disturbing.

I was reading an article on here the other day about Terry McGuirk and him saying that Liberty Media wants to hang onto the Braves for a while.

So, we still have bad manager and bad ownership.

Thank God for the Falcons!

376 Days & Counting

September 23rd, 2009
4:47 pm

Thank you God. The end is in sight. Now comes the hard part – finding the replacement. Let’s all hope he ain’t anyone sitting in the dugout tonight.

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
4:47 pm

Shaun

September 23rd, 2009
11:49 am
We are going to miss the wildcard by 4-5 games. I can think of at least 7 games cox blew just by his overuse of the bullpen and utter miusmanagement of the pitching staff. I hope he walks away.

I love this kind of analysis. Why don’t you list those games?

Also, let’s assume it’s true that Cox’s decisions with his bullpen cost the Braves runs. I would assume that the games were close, since the games were supposedly decided by the bullpen. Well, why point to Cox’s decisions with the bullpen as games he blew? Why not point to the Braves not scoring enough runs to that point or allowing too many runs to that point? Why not point to a play here or a play there that may have gone differently for one reason or another before that point?

Also, I’m assuming there were decisions Cox made that probably helped them win; at least a few. So don’t we have to determine how many good decisions Cox made if we want to get an accurate picture of whether he should stay or go.

Thhis part of a well written post by Shawn making a good arguement why Bobby has not cast us the playoffs this year. I disagree with him but he makes some excellent points about how it is easy to blame managers for losing games for moves (like pulling Hanson) but not giving them credit for moves that win the game. While I think Bullpen management hurt the Braves this year it was not waht kept them out of the playoffs.

IMHO Bobby Cox is the reason the Braves will be done two weekends from now. What BC did that likked us was he would not make line up adjustments when things did not work. Shawn said show me the games he lost and I am about to do just that.

From opening day to June 30 the Braves lost 40 games. They lost 31 of those games when they scored 3 or less runs. Think about that stat for a minute. During that time he ran out Schafer for 167 ABs (through May)where he posted a .204 ave and .600 OPS. Ran out Johnson for 232 ABs at a .216 ave and a .650 OPS. Finally we have Francouer that Wren pried away from BC giving the Braves a .251 ave and an enemic .636 OPS.

I give Bobby a little bit of a pass on Schafer since there was not much of a better option until the McLouth trade but what about JF and KJ? Since July 1st the Braves are 15 games over .500. Before then they were 4 games under. How have the two replacements for these players perform after rotting on the bench the first 3 months. Matt Diaz leads all NL outfielders in ave (with 300 ab) and ranks 11th in OPS. Prado ranks 4th in ave for all NL 2B and is also 4th in OPS.

Do I think these guys could have been the difference in 5 – 10 games in the first half? Since we lost 11 games by 1 run and 22 games by less than 3 runs I would have to say yes. Feel free to disagree but Bobbys stuborness and loyalty cost the team games(probably enough to get in the playoffs) and a couple of our pitchers 5-8 wins each.

Piedmont Blues

September 23rd, 2009
4:48 pm

Maybe some of the riffraff will leave now that we know Bobby’s plans.

I’ve criticized him a lot the past couple of years, but I’m glad he’s going to leave on his terms and that he’ll have the chance to take that victory lap in 2010.

Hope the Braves win two more for him … 2009 ain’t over ’til it’s over, denizens!

Jonas

September 23rd, 2009
4:49 pm

By 2011 Freddie Gonzalez be Fired and be the Next Atlanta Braves manager.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
4:49 pm

I still like my idea of putting a computer in the dugout and having Braves bloggers manage the games.

I think we could definitely win a ring. Can’t wait for that 1 complete game next year.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:49 pm

im not sure why youd think that. just an illustration of how a player who steals alot of bases is more valuable than what his OPS tells you. (DAP)

because I don’t believe that to be automatically true. It takes a heap of stolen bases to account for plus runs scored. Way overrated IMO, as most neo-stats guys feel too. And it sure isn’t determined by the successful total of steals, it depends on the percentage and if it isn’t over 75% success rate it is actually a long-term detriment. I don’t know what his success rate is but I bet it isn’t high enough to justify what you are claiming.

CB

September 23rd, 2009
4:49 pm

I can’t remember the last manager to announce his retirement a year ahead. Can you guys?

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:50 pm

Mitchell

Is this computer capable of picking it’s nose?

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm

The Braves improved quite a bit this year. Direct impact from having Bobby Cox??

abwright

September 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm

Steve from OH, 4:44 pm … “On the plus side, this means only one more year of annoying “Cox sucks” posts…”

They’ll just be replaced by “Wellman sucks!” posts. (Or whomever the Braves’ replacement manager is.)

DAP

September 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm

steve from OHDAP, did you also subtract his caught stealings from his OBP?

no, because i was looking at his slugging percentage. i did subtract his caught stealings from his stolen base total before adding it to his total bases, though.

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm

Glad to see Cox back for 2010! On the plus side, this means only one more year of annoying “Cox sucks” posts…

But, what will some of these folks do for subject matter if “Bobby needs to go” isn’t part of the repertoire? Is it going to be “Bobby needs to go right now instead of year-end.”? Or some variation of “I’m so glad he’s going to be gone.”? Whatever will they do? I mean, I know what YAACA is going to do, but, what about the rest of the dump-Bobby crowd?

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:51 pm

am done. A believer since 1991 (O God)

that pretty much says it all right there. bye

diehard brave

September 23rd, 2009
4:52 pm

oh boy, here we go again in 2010…let’s hope he maintains his word and retires after next season

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
4:52 pm

“Numbletards”, “annoying” are words used to descirbe anti-Bobby fans, huh? Well, to a point I agree with that, but I’ve been looking at the Marlins and Freddie Gonzalez the last few seasons and it makes me wonder what Bobby taught Freddie that he doesn’t use himself. Or, does Freddie just use a different method? Comparing these two teams with their payrolls and talent, Braves should have a much better record than those clowns. Not the case and it hasn’t been for a few years now.

N8

September 23rd, 2009
4:52 pm

There is one silver lining in all of the Cox nonsense. I’m going to assume that Wren will install more “balance” to the 25 man roster. Meaning he’ll upgrade the defense and everyday lineup, while sacrificing a little pitching (but not too much). Thus giving Cox and the Braves their best chance to make the post-season in the past few years.

I’m not stupid enough to not realize that since June or so, we’ve been every bit as good as other teams out there. Save a couple of BIG series in the heat of the battle against SD and Cincy (still makes me mad just typing those team’s names).

I’m also smart enough to realize that with Hanson, McLouth, Prado starting, and then adding LaRoche, that the team responded and played well. All with Cox as the manager. Unfortunately, it was April and May (and the early portion of June), where this team fell short and dug the hole that will ultimately casue them to miss the playoffs by a small handful of games.

My point? If Wren restocks this roster and this team still fails to make the playoffs, it will be clear that Bobby has lost his way.

But, in the end it comes down to the lineup and roster that Wren gives Bobby to work with. Provided Bobby starts the right guys.

Barring injuries, this team should make the playoffs next year. Even with Bobby in the fold, I’m excited for a full season of Hanson, and to see how much KK can grow in year two of his MLB career. Not to mention the possibility of Heyward being up.

Just like many of us stated all summer….. 2010 will be the year we make our return to October. 2011 will be the year that teams legitimately fear playing this team again.

Lew

September 23rd, 2009
4:53 pm

Someone put the poor boy out of his misery. It means MF, I’ll Kill You and refers to the cold steel melting look Soriano can give while pitching.

nemov

September 23rd, 2009
4:53 pm

So Cox is back for one more year of over using relief pitching, another season of leaving starters in the game too long, and of course using players like Greg Norton when he’s hitting under .200. It’s time for Cox to go. The manager has cost us over 10 games this season.

London Calling

September 23rd, 2009
4:53 pm

Great, great news. The best manager in the game will be back for one more year, and you half-witted haters can do nothing about it. Do you get just how unimportant you are now?

Gone Viral

September 23rd, 2009
4:54 pm

Atlanta should be talking to Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine about potential managerial interest right now.

I’m so pleased Bobby gets to manage Jason Heyward’s first year in the bigs.

darren

September 23rd, 2009
4:54 pm

Enter your comments here
all I can say is thank you Bobby Cox!…for all the haters, you know nothing about the game if you think this man hasn’t been a main reason why the braves organization has been so good for almost 20 years. you ask any manager,player, umpire and they will all tell you he is a fantastic manager. The people in the know around baseball will vouch for my opinon as well, those are the ones who should pass judgment not the haters.

Thrillhouse44

September 23rd, 2009
4:54 pm

Whatever will they do? ncscoots

Don’t worry. Bobby will be advising for 5 years after that. I’m sure every mistake will still be his fault. Blame Bobby!

Joe

September 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm

What hurts the most is when the braves got swept recently by The Cincinnati Reds they should have swept The Reds at home now those loses are coming back to bite.

N8

September 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm

scoots, yeah. If Bobby is sucking it up with his decision making, and it’s costing us games early in the year. You can bet your ass I’ll be calling for him to walk away before year’s end.

Here’s to hoping Wren gives him a 25 man roster that even Bobby can’t mess up with (like the 90’s). It’s our only hope.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm

I bet Bill Hohn is as thrilled as we are about Cox returning…

Lew

September 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm

scoots-re: your 4:51 post. The next target will be whoever Bobby’s successor is that doesn’t win 10 straight coming out of Spring Training in 2011. It will only change to (fill n the blank) sucks and needs to go.

CallUpHeyward

September 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm

Well, now. At least the “fire Bobby Cox” suggestions can be laid to rest. Let the ideas about who manages the Braves post-Bobby Cox begin to roll. I would love to see Fredi Gonzalez be the next skipper. I think he’s a legitimately good manager. Of course who would have thunk that Cox would have stuck around so long with Atlanta? Wasn’t it Joe Torre that Ted Turner fired and said that if he hadn’t just fired him, he’d been the number one person on his list or was that Cox? Anyway, maybe the Braves can lure Torre back for one last stand in Atlanta.

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm

Sheesh all the lil cry babies are out today.. we just went 8-2 and still have a turtle’s testicles sized chance of the post season in 09 and next year get a full year of Prado, no LOAF, no Frenchy, hopefully no KJ and an awesome SP staff…

YAACA – I will bet you that we make the playoffs in 2010 under Bobby and I will bet you, that if ajc.com did a poll that the majority would be happy that he is returning in 2010… if you like changing managers so much maybe you should follow my Chelsea in the English Premier League… 5 managers in 2 years and we have won squaddosh with the BEST squad in the world…

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
4:56 pm

But when was the last time he or anybody in this organization actually said anything to that extent (Mitchell)

why in the hell would they have to say it? You think one of the best organizations in baseball isn’t trying? That’s your problem, not theirs.

nemov

September 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm

The reason the braves were so good for so long was because we had 3 hall of fame starting pitchers. No manager has ever had so much pitching talent. Cox only one one World Series with the greatest pitching staff of all time.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm

For Bobby’s Replacements I want Ozzie Guillen or Ned Yost…

TP is too much like Bobby…He needs to get the AX as hitting coach let alone be a manager

Or better yet if fans really want to stir to add fuel to the fire, Bring in Larry Bowa

If Larry Bowa was manager (Joking) he would’ve already had fights with Chipper and Esco…But I love his Fire1

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm

The first order of business should be DFAing Greg effing Norton!

beachcomber

September 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm

N8 – Your excellent comments at 4:52 prompt a question. Despite my early reservations about Mr. Wren, he has made some good moves. Since we got McClouth, the first of his in-season moves, has any team in the NL played better ball? Maybe the Rockies?

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm

N8, I don’t include you in the frothing-at-the-mouth brigade, when it comes to Cox complaints. You complain about everything, LOL, Bobby’s just a single arrow in the quiver. :-)

Jim

September 23rd, 2009
4:57 pm

This is a great day. I am so glad that Bobby Cox is going to manage one more year.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
4:58 pm

glord, no, no, no. Bobby led us to 14 straight division titles. Haven’t been on the radar going on four years now, but, that’s not the point… HE LED US TO 14 STRAIGHT DIVSION TITLES. Of course, having HOF’s fill up your rotation and Turner’s cash to get whoever they wanted helped, but HE, BOBBY COX, led us to all those titles.

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
4:59 pm

“He keeps starting pitching in way to long while they are getting pounded (Lowe and Kawakami) lets relievers blow several games in a weeks time (O’Flaherty, Gonzalez, and Soriano) doesn’t do the little things right like hit and runs, steals, and constantly brings is Greg Norton when the game is on the line to bat..”

Can someone help me decide which is the dumbest part of this paragraph?

nemov

September 23rd, 2009
4:59 pm

dogsbrekky: Chelski’s problems have less to do with coaching and more to do with the fact the club has a bunch of hired mercenaries.

Herschel Talker

September 23rd, 2009
4:59 pm

Jim – you suck

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
4:59 pm

Cox apologists and Jake7…..You two jack offs should just stop rooting for the Braves…find another team. It’s amazing how you dummies have made it this far in life.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
5:00 pm

I’m fine with Bobby going out like that. He deserves a swan song.

ncscoots

September 23rd, 2009
5:00 pm

It will only change to (fill n the blank) sucks and needs to go.

Shoot, Lew, I might write one or two of those myself, LOL.

Gawd, can you even envision it? A hue and cry on the blog to “Bring Bobby Back!”? I’m laughing to bust a gut even thinking about it!

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm

Daslied

I don’t know about the other stuff, but he IS correct about Greg Norton.

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm

BravesfaninWisc……Nobody cares if you watch the games next year. If you really think that that’s what you need to do, then we’ll see ya in 2011. It’s unreal how dumb some of you are.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm

but I’ve been looking at the Marlins and Freddie Gonzalez the last few seasons and it makes me wonder what Bobby taught Freddie that he doesn’t use himself. (TnB)

go read some Marlin’s blogs, you’ll see he is just as hated there as BC is here. Our resident Phish Phan hates him too.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm

brekky – you been able to get to any of the games this week?

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
5:03 pm

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
4:47 pm

“Shaun

September 23rd, 2009
11:49 am
We are going to miss the wildcard by 4-5 games. I can think of at least 7 games cox blew just by his overuse of the bullpen and utter miusmanagement of the pitching staff. I hope he walks away.”

I love this kind of analysis. Why don’t you list those games?

No wait, I’ll do it.

1. Taking Tommy Hanson out in Houston
2. Using Kris Medlen three straight nights in Florida (that counts as two games lost)
3. Bringing in a worn out Gonzo in the 8th against the Reds on the Sunday game who gave up a tying homerun to rookie Drew Stubbs
4. Taking Tommy out after 7 shutout innings on July 4th in DC against the Nats (Nats win 5-3)
5. Using Gonzo in the 8th inning of game 1 of a four game series at Colorado, gave up two run double to struggling Garett Atkins.
6. Using Soriano instead of Gonzo to face Ryan Howard in the 9th inning of a 3-2 loss on a Friday home game
7. Miscommunicating a hit and run play with Yunel on a Fox Saturday homegame against the Mets
a. Using Greg Norton to pinch hit with the bases loaded in the 8th, Norton strikes out

Other signs that he’s lost it:

-leaving Chipper to bat third even though he’s in one of the worst slumps of his career and batting our homerun leader LaRoche 8th?

-comparing D-Lowe’s 9 run meltdown in NY to a “Greg Maddux inning”

-denying Brian McCann was in a slump in spite of an 0 for 20 streak.

I don’t know, that’s the best I can do on short notice.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
5:04 pm

Well, he’s back another year, so I’m not going to sit here and continue to write my disgust for this man’s decision making, so best of luck to Bobby and I hope he wins manager of the year in 2010 and leads us to WC. That’s all…

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm

For Bobby’s Replacements I want Ozzie Guillen (T Hawkin)

then you’re a fool….and it ain’t happeninh. Lots of disrespect in baseball circles for ol’ Oz. He sure ain’t coming here

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm

RHR I’m fine with Bobby going out like that.

Me, too. Much better than getting fired or “let go”…Wonder what they’ll do for him at the end of ‘10…

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm

Using Kris Medlen three straight nights in Florida (that counts as two games lost)

Ha!

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
5:06 pm

Not sure what happened to my post to TnBrian:?

Jeff R

September 23rd, 2009
5:07 pm

A lot of gnashing of teeth about Cox returning for one more go. What is, is. Focus needs to be on what the Bravos require on the field to go to the next level.

And for those who are writing off 2009, I think not. The Braves have a shot to win 90 games, which would reverse there record from last season. No small thing.

They’ve seen Jurrjens develop into a top flight pitcher, with Hanson not far behind. The Braves’ rotation is one of the best in the NL. The McLoth and LaRoche addtionals were solid upgrades (let’s hope Wren resigns LaRoche).

The Bravos have taken a big step in the right direction this year. With a couple/three right moves, they can seriously be in contention in ‘10.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
5:08 pm

I don’t know, McFann, but I hope its big. And Chipper better not go with him. :(

monty

September 23rd, 2009
5:09 pm

As I said earlier give BC Hall of Fame type starting pithing, power up and down the lineup, a good bench, great middle relievers and closers, gold glovers, and he will take that team to post season play! He might not win the Big one too often but he will lead his team to victory over teams that don’t have all of the above! Uhm! But who wouldn’t?

David..(Athens, AL)

September 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm

blog will be hopping tonight … maybe 20 pages … YES to BC returning!

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
5:11 pm

MY WORST NIGHTMARE HAS COME TRUE!

Cox back in 2010?

Oh please. If thats your worst nightmare you’re living a mighty charmed life. You could always take 2010 off yourself if him being manager bothers you that much.

Jim

September 23rd, 2009
5:11 pm

I have been a Braves fan since the early 1970s. Bobby Cox is the best manager that we have ever had. I cannot imagine the Braves ever having a better manager despite what anyone says on this blog. I know that being manager of the Braves is a much tougher job than being a second guesser of the manager of the Braves.

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
5:12 pm

RHR

Whatever it is, I think you cann count on us to be there!

And Chipper better not go with him.

Yeah…that’d be weird for them to both go out at the same time.

Jeff R

September 23rd, 2009
5:13 pm

Managers are largely overrated. Cox, being lambasted by a lot of fans now for being a crummy manager, is the same guy who was at the helm when the team was on its run. The roster matters more than the manager.

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
5:13 pm

RHR Oh please. If thats your worst nightmare you’re living a mighty charmed life.

:lol: Seriously…

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
5:13 pm

I’d like to see Bobby and Chipper go out together after another World Series loss to the Yanks. It would be like old times.

(If you think Mitchell is angst-ridden and profane, wait’ll you see me during and after something like that.)

Daslied

September 23rd, 2009
5:13 pm

TNBrian – yes, Bobby led us to those titles.

Keep in mind that we had the “Big Three” rotation for only 6 of those (’93-’99; ‘94 was the strike year). Smoltz was hurt or in the bullpen for almost 5 years (2000-2004) and Glavine was gone in 2003. So take away the years that rotation was intact and you still have 8 division titles in 8.5 seasons with Bobby. So he had a good payroll to work with. Joe Torre gets a free pass why?

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
5:14 pm

RHR – went to game 1 and got obliterated (literally)… such a nice stadium and good food AND drink… but then my karma turned… had the car towed in NYC the next day… had an argument with the boss and my dog peed on my new rug…

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
5:15 pm

TNBrian – In 2004 the Boston Red Sox won their first World Series in 86 years. They immediately let Pedro, Lowe, and Damon go. The fans screamed but enjoyed another title 3 years later. That was after trading a Boston icon Nomar Garcipara during the season to help win that World Series. They did that because they understand yesterday does not help you tommorrow.

Cox led those teams to the playoffs in the past. This year he was the biggest reason they will be done October 3rd. Theo Epstein would cut his mother while the Braves love to hold onto the Chop, 40 year old pitchers and a manager who is well past his prime and proved it this year.

This is why the Sox have 2 WS titles in 6 years and have made the playoffs 7 out of 8 years and the Braves have underachieved. Sad but true.

I love the Braves but for the love of God the 90’s are over. Get a younger manager that holds the players accountable and this team has all the young pieces to be great again.

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
5:15 pm

Steve from OH, re: the DH, I honestly don’t know why I like it, just that I feel like there should be a universal something in the sport. Whether that is DH or no DH, just have it be the same, ya know? I enjoy the DH in some ways, hate it in other ways. I probably lean more towards it, but I can totally understand why most people hate the rule.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
5:15 pm

Nolie…

This Team Needs a spark, I’ve gotten tired of the Businessman like persona that has dominated this team since Justice left, Other than Brian Jordan there have been few vocal braves on the team other than Smoltz

This Blog will reach 20 pages by tomorrow morning, “Bank On It!”

Space Monkey

September 23rd, 2009
5:15 pm

Greg Norton now has job security.

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
5:16 pm

I get sick of hearing about JUST our great pitching from the 90s etc

What about a team that had 3-4 guys who raked every year… Gant, McGriff, Andruw, Justice, TP, Chipper, Javy Lopez…. we had some big game big time hitters as well… IMO

Shockajim

September 23rd, 2009
5:16 pm

Great job on the blog today DOB. Hopefully it will enlighten as well as cultivate some empathy for the job. I saw the same Jane’s Addiction tour in ‘86 at a little club in Kansas City that held about 600 people. Perry Farrell was wearing a black corset-like top and had pink ties holding his dreads together. It was like a New York Dolls show pushed into the 80’s. Quite a good night for music.
“Let’s do it for Johnny”, er, uh, Bobby in 2010.

Necromancer

September 23rd, 2009
5:17 pm

Well, folks….put this in perspective..it could be a lot worse..

At least we’re not the Pirates!

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
5:18 pm

I want Chipper either to retire Next year or go to the AL…It’s time to change eras…

I for one don’t want to see Chipper struggling to hit .270 with 15 Homers next year, he’s too big to put up with that

Oh and this Blog is gonna be off da chain tonight

pinkygonzales

September 23rd, 2009
5:19 pm

We love the Atlanta Braves. There, we said it. We have loved them since Dale Murphy was patrolling the outfield for the never-say-die, perpetually-out-of-the-pennant-race-by-May teams of the mid-80s. And, thanks to the SuperStation, there are a lot of us Braves fans out there. We fell in love with Murphy and Bob Horner and Ken Oberkfell and stayed in love when those heroes gave way to David Justice, Ron Gant, Steve Avery, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. And starting in 1978 and again in 1991 when he came back from the front office as a general manager to become the manager of our Atlanta Braves, we fell in love with Bobby Cox.

please read my Bobby Cox tribute at:
http://acasualfan.com/

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
5:20 pm

There Will be a Page Long Post From P-Lentz Upcoming during the Game “Bank On It!”

D.O. had some Essay Tyle posts when he broke it down about the rigors of a beat writer

P-Lentz is due for a long story for what happened to Cox’s demise…He must’ve been a journalism major when he was in college?

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
5:22 pm

I’m a younger dude, and Cox is really the only manager I have known being a Braves fan. I am not one of these people who can’t wait to see him go. I’m saddened by the news, but the guy has managed for a very long time and it had to end sometime – so it’s very understandable. I was actually hoping he’d manage through 2012. Call me crazy, but I was hoping him and Chipper would ride off into the sunset with eachother(I don’t expect Chipper to retire before then, guy has a .391 OBP). I would of been shocked to see Cox retire after this season. This team is on the cusp of being World Series good, and with a few of the right additions and replacements, I think they can make it back to the post season next year and do some damage. I said it before and I’ll say it again, I think they should go for it next year. They should trade any piece in the farm not named Jason Heyward for a middle of the order bat(that makes sense). Anyway, BC will go down as one of the greatest managers of all time and I am happy that I got to witness it as a Braves fan.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
5:22 pm

CheeseWhiz!

I haven’t seen this many Unknown Bloggers (Rookies) on here Since we won the first 2 games of the season against Philly and the Coor’s Light COOOOLLLLLL Train AKA Bandwagon was in full effect…

HGH kills

September 23rd, 2009
5:23 pm

glord1 – the Bosox systematically decided to juice on a wholesale level that helped certain “stars” win them a title, let us see how they finish in the immaculately no ‘roidal playoffs of 2009, and please dont quote HGH etc, the Bosox under that slippery owner JOHNNIE Henry knew exactly what they were doing, sabermetrics bs…. they clinically and systemically used roids as a group as a team as a beef. Like their crosstown NFL friends, they are cheats

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
5:23 pm

Chipper said the choice of the next manager would also play into his decision whether to continue playing beyond next season.

As for Bobby retiring, he smiled and said, “I’ll believe it when I see it.”

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
5:24 pm

RE: Didn’t anyone find this even remotely funny????

“Put on your Poncho DOB. The bullpen boys are probably celebrating like they just won the World Series”

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:24 pm

My heart skipped a beat when I just now saw the news. Then I realized it was after 2010.

CB

September 23rd, 2009
5:24 pm

I am rather enjoying the blog today. I just keep smiling, go Bobby! Drive them crazy for another year. :-)

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:24 pm

The president being arrested for murder is “Breaking News.”

Pictures of Bobby Cox is not “Breaking News.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:25 pm

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
5:25 pm

Just like many of us stated all summer….. 2010 will be the year we make our return to October. 2011 will be the year that teams legitimately fear playing this team again.

amen, N8.

RC

September 23rd, 2009
5:25 pm

Gotta love the reaction people are giving to this news…your team announces the 4th winningest manager in major league baseball history is going to manage one more season and retire, and people are more upset over the one year than the retirement! Look, this is a good decision for a few reasons:

1. You don’t fire Bobby Cox. Not only would there be a public outlash, but the players would likely not take it well at all. You’d really be putting the new manager in an impossible position, because everyone in the clubhouse would resent the guy who “replaced” Bobby.

2. By announcing “one more year” you have an entire year to look for a replacement, and anyone who might be interested has an opportunity to position themselves to take over. Whether that’s someone within the organization or outside of it, knowing WHEN Cox is leaving is beneficial for all parties.

3. EVERYONE in that clubhouse wants to win another one for Bobby. Next year is going to be one of the best chances the team has had to make the postseason in a long time anyway, and this added motivation can only help.

4. Free agents know that Cox will be around next year. While that might cause some concern for them with a long-term contract, they don’t have to worry about signing in December and then finding out there will be a new manager in January. Again, transparency is good for all involved.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
5:26 pm

DogsBrekky

“What about a team that had 3-4 guys who raked every year… Gant, McGriff, Andruw, Justice, TP, Chipper, Javy Lopez…. we had some big game big time hitters as well”

Co-sign! And guys who has sound fundementals like Nixon, Blauser, Mordecai, Brian Jordan, etc…

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
5:27 pm

The big news is that I play this weekend to try and win the Fed Ex Cup. Who thinks I can do it?

ChurchMan

September 23rd, 2009
5:28 pm

“The first order of business should be DFAing Greg effing Norton!”

Now that Bobby’s back for one more the first order of business will probably be to sign Norton to a one year extension. Greg is this close to breaking out of it ….

rufues

September 23rd, 2009
5:31 pm

Bobby Cox, saying that he is coming back next year, shows how selfish and a grumpy old man he is, a man is who only thinks of himself. Last time I heard Wren was support to be the general manager, or his boss, so who is Bobby Cox to get mad, he should be grateful he’s got a job, that paid that good. Wren should get rid of him, just because he has being there a long time, that he can do what he wants. When he was ignore, by the upper brass not including him in their meeting should tell Cox that he’s not wanted, If Cox had any shame he would step down. Just because he’s mad at the front office, he shouldn’t take it out on Escobar.

Brandon from Warner Robins

September 23rd, 2009
5:31 pm

Glad to see Bobby coming back next season.

varoadrunner

September 23rd, 2009
5:32 pm

With our pitching and what it could be next year, maybe Wren can use some jailbait to power the team to another Division Championship or maybe a wildcard berth in the playoffs. GOTTA be the only reason COX is returning next year. BUT, at least there is now a light at the end of the seemingly endless tunnel.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
5:33 pm

Joe Torre took a bunch of overachievers to the playoffs in 1982. A team that hit fewer HR’s than this years’current power deprived team.A team that scored fewer runs than this year’s team. A team that gave up a quarter run higher ERA than this year’s team. A team batting avg. then of .256. that hit for .27 lower Slugging, .41 lower OPS than this years team. Bob Walk was the 2nd starter that year with a 11-9 record. Only one starter who started over 11 games with under a 4.00 ERA. And that was when you actually had to win your division. Now that was coaching!

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
5:34 pm

Where are those “water- HOUSES” when you need one…… rufues

BTW since Bobby had the quiet chat with Yunel he has developed into the best hitter with RISP in mlb… think about that one

Lars Taint

September 23rd, 2009
5:35 pm

You people wouldn’t know a great manager if he wiped a booger on your face. The fact that everyone who actually plays/played the game on a professional level think he is one of the best ever should tell you that maybe they know something you don’t. Just because you played tee ball and watch the games on TV doesn’t mean you know everything about baseball.

monty

September 23rd, 2009
5:37 pm

I understand Greg Norton just phoned his wife with a big smile on his face!

Little Jr

September 23rd, 2009
5:40 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, We can all celabrate around this time next year! No, not because we finally reached postseason, but the old fart will be gone! I’m going to run around peachtree St. butt naked, once COX hangs his cleats. Congrats to everyone on this blog and begin the countdown. Write it down, October 2011 we’ll be in the playoffs, I have my house on this bet.

Love,

Coxhater

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
5:40 pm

Two reasons why I am thrilled that Bobby is coming back for one more year: 1) He is a great baseball manager, and 2) It will bug the hell out of about 1/3 of you idiots on the blog!

:evil:

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
5:41 pm

monty,

That 82 teams was so good they were swept in 3 games and Torre was fired within the tear.

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
5:41 pm

I knew Chipper would say something like that!

N8

September 23rd, 2009
5:43 pm

Thanks Scoots. :-)

Though I know you’re giving me crap, I would prefer that you respect my desire to have somebody new in the dugout, for just that. I’ve never been afraid to give Cox credit when deserved. It just so happens, that from what I see on the outside looking in, that has happened a helluva lot less in recent years.

But you’re right. I’m an equal opportunity griper. I’ll rip anybody for foul play, and praise those who stink up the joint. Nobody is immune to my complaints!

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
5:44 pm

First I threw-up then my bowel completely let go once heard the news.

Damn blackberry e-mail alerts during business meeting.

Let’s just say the deal we were working on at the time didn’t quite pan out.

8O

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
5:44 pm

monty,

I meant year not tear. Torre was such a great coach with underachievers that he then went to St. Louis to underachieve. The Yankees and their astronomical payroll are why he won. The Dodgers will be eliminated in the NLDS this year, never to return to the playoffs while Torre manages.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
5:45 pm

Prado just went down during batting practice. Kelly Johnson hit a liner off his left leg, it looked like. Prado was fielding grounders hit by a coach, fungoes, and Kelly was taking BP and hit a ball that smacked him in what looked like lower left leg. I’ll confirm that in a bit.

Scary scene for a while, all teammates surrounding him. Trainer came out and eventually Prado got up off the ground and was able to limp off the field. For a while it looked like they might call a cart to come get him.

So I’d guess Kelly will be replacing him at 2B.

The lineup WAS
1. McLouth
2. Prado
3. Chipper
4. McCann
5. Anderson
6. Escobar
7. LaRoche
8. Diaz
8. Hudson

Don’t know now, though

seminoletalker

September 23rd, 2009
5:46 pm

Enter your comments here

You have to figure that Terry Pendleton is just as irritated as many of us fans are. If Pendleton really is a leading contender to replace Bobby, then he must be beside himself knowing that he has to sit in the dugout and witness up close and personal another season full of Cox’s irrational managerial moves.

Bobby's Cox

September 23rd, 2009
5:46 pm

Well Bobby gets a farewell season, and it will be a good and entertaining one at that. Next year’s team should be pretty damn good.

I also like that maybe Cox & Wren had some disagreements. Bobby has had loyalty to players, and Wren has been the guy to clear out the dead. You would expect some fission right? Over the course of the year, I think Bobby probably has realized Wren was right in his decsions, and it would have taken a guy like Wren (& not Bobby & Scherholtz) to make those hard decisions.

The team is getting full of good young prospects again..something Bobby has always relished since he wasn’t that good of a player. So, if Bobby and Wren has some discourse earlier in the year, it obviously hasn’t been a deterrent in keeping Bobby around to work WITH WREN for 5 additional years after next season. Not saying the report by Yahoo isn’t true, but it’s a little frivolous in it’s timing, because Wren and Bobby are probably closer in their opinions, personnel, and mutual respect for one another now that the team is real close to being a world series threat.

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
5:47 pm

The Braves stunk it up offensively early in the year, yet it is Bobby Cox who catches the blame for our being 5 games out with 11 to go.

So, if he sucked so bad, then how is it that we have played so well since the break???

You can’t have it both ways folks. When we play well, it’s the players doing well. When we suck, it’s the manager doing poorly???

All managers lose games. Grow up folks. It will be a sad day when BC steps down.

VaBraveFan

September 23rd, 2009
5:48 pm

I bet Norton is happy, he prolly already gots the primary pinch hitter job locked up for next year.
Its good to have Bobby back, Ima support my team still. Go out with a bang bobby prove us wrong!

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
5:49 pm

How Machiavellian of KJ. I am kind of proud of him and hopeful that winning edge carries us to 11 straight wins

Decent Call

September 23rd, 2009
5:49 pm

I wish Bobby would call it quits after this season and begin consulting next season!

As for Chipper’s opinion on the next manager, it should have NOTHING to do with who the Braves select to replace Cox. Chipper is a lame duck whose skills are dwindling. In the best case scenario he’s here until the end of the current contract. The Braves need not take one ounce of Chipper’s opinion into account when deciding who is Bobby’s replacement. Long after Chipper is gone, the Braves will be playing and hopefully using the manager they replaced Cox with. Chipper has his hands full lobbying the Braves to resign his business partner. (LaRoche)

Let the chips fall where they may. The farther from the Braves family tree they go to find Cox’s replacement…. the better!

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
5:49 pm

DOB,

I guess that’s one way to break the lineup, but I do hope it’s Infante. Sorry Hjort.

rufues

September 23rd, 2009
5:50 pm

Yunel, didn’t need any help to hit from an old fart like Cox, he was hitting better before. The problem is that Cox just can’t handle motivation or youth, he has gotten rid of a lot of young talented players and why he got so many old timers playing on the Braves. There are other way to get a player attention, then to embarrass him in front of the fans…….think about that one, dogsbrekky

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
5:50 pm

Yo, What’s Up “B”

Watch the Camp Lo “Luchini” Video on youtube it’s good sh…+!

RC

September 23rd, 2009
5:50 pm

Can we all agree that Prado probably doesn’t need to take any more grounders during batting practice?

Alonso

September 23rd, 2009
5:51 pm

We must be nearing a record for BP injuries. Good grief.

GTSteve

September 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm

I say keep winning and cut it to 2 by Monday AM, and see how the Rockies play with a real team in the rear view mirror.

YE19

September 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm

Wasn’t it KJ who hit PRADO in BP last time? Stay behind the damn screen, Marteeen.

Brandon from Warner Robins

September 23rd, 2009
5:52 pm

Not much Tomahawkin! I’ll get to that video in a lil bit. Trying to catch up on all the comments!

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
5:53 pm

Thanks, Chief…hope Prado will be OK!

Jalb3rt

September 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm

Bobby Cox? Another year? Are you kidding me? … Damn, another year out of the playoffs, thats 5 in a row now… *sigh* … 2011 here we go!

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm

Kelly finally taking matters into his own hand.

“If Bobby won’t start me, I’ll start me!”

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm

Looks like KJ is finding ways to get into the lineup! Bet BC goes with Infante instead, but how could he resist the temptation to put Kelly in after he took Prado out!

:-)

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm

The Atlanta Braves announced today that they have agreed to terms with manager Bobby Cox on a one-year contract extension through the 2010 season and that the team’s entire coaching staff will be brought back next year.

UGH. More Snitker and Cadahia.

Bay Area Steve

September 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm

Isn’t that twice this year that KJ has Tonya Hardinged Marty in BP?

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:54 pm

You on the plus side, this news makes RHR’s bingo card valid for one more year.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:55 pm

Bet BC goes with Infante instead

Or Conrad :roll:

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
5:56 pm

rufues – yeah you would be right, what did you say .. oh yes “Cox can’t handle motivation”, which one with a brain may assume meant, “Cox cannot motivate his players”…

think about a positive work environment and then think about Bobby. Positive reinforcement with the likes of Vazquez shows how truly GREAT Cox is as a motivator.. but thanks for the thought big guy..

next REFUSE

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
5:56 pm

Bay Area, Nice

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
5:56 pm

I think I’m gonna play with the Bingo card tonight

Bobby Farewell Tour

September 23rd, 2009
5:59 pm

AS long as that old fart doesn’t double cross us and it’s only one more year…… I suppose I can live with it.

Oh yeah….. and replacing him with TP ain’t no option! TP couldn’t get Andrew, Frenchy or any other half dozen guys to listen to him as a hitting instructor so what makes anyone think that he can get anyone’s ear and respect as a manager?

I wuv Bobby

September 23rd, 2009
6:00 pm

My only title in 65 years as an ATL resident and moments of pure joy such as 1991 (Braves win Braves win Braves win) plus 1995 with my boy Justice hitting a long one.

Well thank you to Bobby Cox.

Clearly the best manager in a meaningful pro sport in ATL history. Thanks again

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:02 pm

First story reported on Sports Center was Bobby’s extension.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:04 pm

Bring in Eddie Perez as next manager, or Leo Mazzone

Since 60 percent of the players in MLB are hispanic Eddie perez would be a good fit

Leo Mazzone, I’d thought he’d be Bobby’s Successor until he left…

He’d be the perfect fit

Jalb3rt

September 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm

Wayne in Utah

Considering the fact that it is Bobby’s decision to send certain players to the field night after night, Bobby Cox’s job is to prepare a lineup before each game, putting in the guys that play better, that perform and produce like the team needs it….

The team was not hitting in the first half, what happened in the first half, Bobby Cox was sending KJ and Francoeur everyday out there even though the sucked, they werent getting the job done, it took Bobby almost 4 months to make the decision, inmedietely after he made Prado the everyday 2B, the team was better, Frank Wren had to trade Francoeur so Bobby wouldnt be able to play him…. and since those moves where made, the team got ”better” …
So, i ask you, if Bobby would have been intelligent enough to make the adjustments when the problem started instead of being such a stupid loyal and patient ignorant, wouldnt the team be in a better position right now?

So, yes, it is Bobby’s fault!

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm

COX on announcing the decision: “It’s going to give me a chance to do this. If I don’t do this right now, I would be wanting to manage again somewhere, or here … it’s time to go ahead and say it. I don’t think I would every give up the idea of managing unless I just say, that’s it. That’s what I’m saying – that it’s it.”

I asked him if this is definite, since before he said it and then signed an extension.

“Oh, yeah. Period. It’s time,” he said. “We’re going to put everything we can into next year and I’ll be the first one trying to help out in 2011 and cheer for the Braves.”

I started to ask, whether you win the World Series or don’t …
And he cut me off by answering: “It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. I really want to manage next year and it’s just a good time to say it now, get it over with and retire. The good part of it is, I get to be involved. Frank, John, Terry and the guys have been very good, and they’ve made that happen.”

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:05 pm

I don’t see how all the Bobby supporters (or anyone really) can look past the Norton fiasco, Yunel-gate, the questionable bullpen management, and the even more questionable lineup management Bobby’s done this year. And that’s just this year! I can think of specific incidents where Bobby’s made “what’s he doing?!” decisions that have been the difference in a game.

Remember that time when Bobby sends Norton to the plate with two men on with a bench full of much better hitters? Norton K’ed, we lost by one.

Joe D. loves Marilyn

September 23rd, 2009
6:06 pm

DOB…

Should have said…winning with a chance somewhere between 1 in 25 (which is what ESPN has us at…making the playoffs. They do not distinguish winning…between the Wild Card and the East…) and the mega millions odds of 1 in 175,711,536.

Odds are somewhere in between…I would think.

STILL BELIEVE…(go Padres…we could sure use some help!!!)

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
6:08 pm

The most bizarre thing about Martins injury is that if Kelly can hit the ball accurately how come he is hitting .220?

Oh batting practice …. Nevermind

N8

September 23rd, 2009
6:08 pm

“You can’t have it both ways folks. When we play well, it’s the players doing well. When we suck, it’s the manager doing poorly???” Wayne

What about when the manager continues to play guys that shouldn’t be playing (KJ, Jeff, Bennett, Boyer – early in the year), and continues to bat a severly slumping Chipper in the 3-hole? Not to mention not only having Greg Norton on the active roster, but using him in EVERY key spot.

Until recently, much of the offensive issues early in the year, were decsions on WHO to play, not just that the guys weren’t hitting.

If Bobby chooses to play “player A”, and at the end of the year, that player had one of the statistically worst seasons of ANY player, sure that player is to blame. But who’s in charge of deciding when that player sits and plays? The “buck” has to stop somewhere, right?

I totally agree that we(Bobby) have better players now. But I’m also of the belief that througout the season, there were better options (even if just temporary), to fill in during prolonged slumps and losing stretches. THAT is on Bobby (and to an extent Wren).

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:10 pm

Some of the people on here…Jake7, Cox apologists, nova scotia steve…shouldn’t be allowed to watch baseball. How dumb are you fools?? Every time you fools post, you further prove your ignorance. If you asked every single player, GM, and manager in baseball what they thought of Cox, you would get 99% positive feedback. Yet, a few blog posters, who clearly know very little about the game, believe they know how the team should be handled. Unreal. maybe the Braves should let you three geniuses lead the team in ‘11.

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
6:13 pm

jeffrey d Bet BC goes with Infante instead

Or Conrad :roll:

Ya sound like my sister…

I wuv Bobby

September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm

jeff d – It is easy to be negative selective rather then positive selective

Javy Vazquez choked in NY, was given grief in Chicago by Ossie and then came to the ATL where he has been brilliant (outside of a few innings here and there). Thank Cox for that.

You focus on minor tactical decisions and miss the bigger strategic game that Cox plays. He cannot make filet mignon with chuck steak. His hitters have been streaky all year and we lack a substantial power threat or 2 (Chipper and McCann are not that and Roach is occassionally that).

But, under Bobby and his BP usage he has MAXIMIZED innings for the RP that have performed best. Let us look at the Australian guy, Moylan. His era was terrible to start the year. We all said dump him yet he now has a 2.8 era and is out best RP etc etc etc

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:14 pm

Until recently, much of the offensive issues early in the year, were decsions on WHO to play, not just that the guys weren’t hitting.

Granted Bobby didn’t have a bunch of Ichiros to pick from, but KJ, Schafer, and Francoeur were absolutely destroying our offense. And Kelly was batting leadoff forever!

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:15 pm

NJBraves…

Settle Down Bro, You are having a BF!

I like Nova Scotia Steve, Don’t You think you are being too hard on him?

Cox Apologists…I usually agree with him as well because I got tired of Bobby 5 years ago…Had this been 1993 Then I’d think that it is necessary that you check him

Jake7 You can Check him as much as you please…I haven’t seen that name on this blog all year…

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
6:15 pm

The SNY Mets station in NY on their show Loud Mouths just nominated Cox as their best mlb manager, and they are hard guys to please… they ranked him higher then their beloved TORRE

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:16 pm

njbraves,

Alot of people lost confidence in Cox this year and for good reason. Eveyone knows he can still manage, but will he. I do believe he (Cox) blindsided everyone this year for personal reasons. I think it was made clear that anymore of such nonsense and he was out. Very dubious the Edes story and the sudden announcement. I bet Schuerholz stepped in and mediated.

VaBraveFan

September 23rd, 2009
6:16 pm

Its not all on Bobby. Even if he makes a different move than we would do, its still on the players too perform. It doesnt matter if KJ or Norton or Ross go out there, there on a major league roster for a reason. To perform. Yall would be saying he made bad moves if we lost those gms. For Example
We complain he didnt rest Soriano and Gonzo enough but if he brought in Medlen to close out the game instead of puting Gonzo or Soriano out there for the 5th game in a row, and Medlen blows it we say what was Bobby thinking ???? Its on the players too. Not Just Bobby.

wjones

September 23rd, 2009
6:17 pm

“So Cox is back for one more year of over using relief pitching, another season of leaving starters in the game too long, and of course using players like Greg Norton when he’s hitting under .200. It’s time for Cox to go. The manager has cost us over 10 games this season.”

This might be my favorite anti-Bobby post of the day above. I love how Bobby both over used his relief pitching AND left his starters in too long! This is classic stuff, I tell ya!

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:18 pm

McFann

You have a lil sis…? I bet see will be taught Proud on being loyal to Dem Braves!

What will her blog name be in a few years…?

McFann’s Cans or something…?

As a matter of fact I’m Suprised there isn’t a blogger who goes by the name “McDaddy On Here” I think that might be my next blog name in a few years…Or Justice4all

jayvee

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

My guess is that an AJC writer was Edes’ source. It makes sense, in that the season is concluding, and speculation is/was flying about Bobby Cox’s future. But the AJC writer couldn’t poison the well, so to speak, so he outsources the story to Edes and Yahoo Sports. The AJC then has plausible deniability and can repeat what SOMEONE ELSE FIRST REPORTED in the hope they will be insulated from the wrath of Cox, Wren, the Braves, Chief Nok-A-Homa. Just a theory.

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

How the hell did Cox blindside everyone for personal reasons???

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

What will her blog name be in a few years…?

Fanshin Kawakami?

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

McFann – how are the Blue Jays down there. I fear my fat f…er has gone for good. I miss his little beer belly !

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

Jeffrey D

“Granted Bobby didn’t have a bunch of Ichiros to pick from, but KJ, Schafer, and Francoeur were absolutely destroying our offense. And Kelly was batting leadoff forever!”

Co-Sign, Cox’s Stubbornness to change the lineup early this year cost us…especially dropping games to the AAA pirates and AAA Nats

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:20 pm

Jeffrey D

“Granted Bobby didn’t have a bunch of Ichiros to pick from, but KJ, Schafer, and Francoeur were absolutely destroying our offense. And Kelly was batting leadoff forever!”

Co-Sign, Cox’s Stubbornness to change the lineup early this year cost us…especially dropping games to the AAA pirates and AAA Nats

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
6:21 pm

It’s time for Cox to go. The manager has cost us over 10 games this season.

You are absolutely delusional. If there was a manager who could improve a team’s record by 5 wins, teams would pay $20 million for him. Such is not the case. You’re completely overstating a manager’s impact.

pinkygonzales

September 23rd, 2009
6:21 pm

I’m gonna put this up one more time:

We love the Atlanta Braves. There, we said it. We have loved them since Dale Murphy was patrolling the outfield for the never-say-die, perpetually-out-of-the-pennant-race-by-May teams of the mid-80s. And, thanks to the SuperStation, there are a lot of us Braves fans out there. We fell in love with Murphy and Bob Horner and Ken Oberkfell and stayed in love when those heroes gave way to David Justice, Ron Gant, Steve Avery, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. And starting in 1978 and again in 1991 when he came back from the front office as a general manager to become the manager of our Atlanta Braves, we fell in love with Bobby Cox.

please read my Bobby Cox tribute at:
http://acasualfan.com/

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:21 pm

How the hell did Cox blindside everyone for personal reasons???

The whole Norton fiasco literally knocked the wind out of me.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:23 pm

Geeze, is there any middle ground here? Bobby is either a mastermind being considered for Secretary of Defense, or he belongs on the short bus.

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:23 pm

Tomahawkin….I’m sorry, but dropping games to the Pirates and the Nats is on the players, not the manager. I don’t agree with everything Cox does, but he isn’t the one pitching or hitting. Just sayin’.

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:24 pm

Just sayin, when was the last time such key figures in the organization had to address these types of stories. Edes stands behind the story 100%. Maybe Bobby recounted these actions to Edes and it backfired. Who knows, but if you read between the lines, this is not the Braves way.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:24 pm

I don’t agree with everything Cox does, but he isn’t the one pitching or hitting. Just sayin’.

Don’t see this line of reasoning here every day…

Dan in NJ

September 23rd, 2009
6:25 pm

I guess the Braves will be looking for a SS this winter. Esco will be gone for sure now that BC is back next year. I HOPE i’m wrong though.

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:25 pm

The conspiracy theories are hilarious…keep ‘em coming.

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm

jeffrey d,

Not only Norton but Johnson, Francouer, taking pitchers out too soon or leaving them in too long.

Alonso

September 23rd, 2009
6:27 pm

Any word on whether Prado is still starting tonight?

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm

Tomahawkin: Thanks for that comment earlier.

And for the record “njbraves”…I was the biggest Cox supporter around…Actually I just never talked about him on this blog…while some have smashed him all year.

It was actually only until recently that I turned on Cox and have been calling for his retiring.

1. The use of Medlan (in three straight games) against the Marlins…He got rocked in all three appearences.

2. His constant use of Greg Norton in big game situations.

3. The way he has handled the bullpen

The guy is a lock to make the HOF…and has over 2,000 victories….Good for him.

But its time to retire.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm

Not only Norton but Johnson, Francouer, taking pitchers out too soon or leaving them in too long.

Didn’t know there were established guidelines for what “too soon/too long” really are. In fact, it stems simply from one’s own level of experience, competence and observation–and who ya betting on here, I wonder? You or Cox?

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:28 pm

I don’t agree with everything Cox does, but he isn’t the one pitching or hitting

He is the one who hit KJ at leadoff or Chipper 3rd forever while they were struggling to stay above water. He’s the one who (still) puts Norton in in key spots, and he drowned a looong time ago.

No he’s not pitching or hitting, but he’s making it a lot harder to win by making some decisions that obviously won’t work out (obvious for everyone but him). When’s the last time you’ve said “Wow! That was a great decision Bobby made! That worked out brilliantly!” Obvious decisions don’t count.

webhead

September 23rd, 2009
6:29 pm

You sorry ass people got what you wanted Now be prepared to live with it. There’s going to be one sorry manager after another.Just can’t hold this great mans jock. And when that day come please stand up and face it like a man,because you won’t you gutlass wonders. You sicken me.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm

Didn’t Kelly hit Prado in the leg once before in batting practice?

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm

njbraves,

If you’ve been following since 1976, you’d realize the biggest scandals this organiztion has had to deal with are Turner making himself manager or Justice dogging the fans. This particular story is peculiar to this organization.

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm

RE: jeffrey d “Geeze, is there any middle ground here? Bobby is either a mastermind being considered for Secretary of Defense, or he belongs on the short bus”

Made me laugh out loud dude

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
6:30 pm

Tomahawkin

Yup–she’s 5 years younger than me. We do this whole “Braves Thing” together…course we have different favorites. That’s how it has to be–can’t really ever have the same favorite “characters” from anything, be it Hogan’s Heroes or the Braves…

What will her blog name be in a few years…? McFann’s Cans or something…?

LOL! Well, truth be told, the Blog is my territory. :P But if she did have a name on here, it wouldn’t have anything to do with McCann–she gets enough of that from me…think I bore her quite a bit with him. :P That’s why I let off so much “steam” or whatever on here…

She likes McLouth, Hanson, and Johnson the best (no particular order to the list I gave)…and she has told me that, being a Johnson fan, she doesn’t think she could be on here…

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

I think it’s obvious that Gordo’s source was Paul Lentz. Not even Paul Lentz could influence Frank Wren enough to get rid of Bobby Cox. The best Lentz could do was get Bobby out after 2010. That’s why I hate Paul Lentz. The man just doesn’t have the kind of pull that he claims to have.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

Didn’t know there were established guidelines for what “too soon/too long” really are.

Remember when Lowe kept throwing hanger after hanger? And Bobby thought “maybe one of those hangers will turn into a ground ball!” But instead, Lowe got lit up for like, 10 hits in the inning? That’s too long.

Couch Tater

September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

My guess is that an AJC writer was Edes’ source.

I smell Sox.

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
6:31 pm

It was Norton who his Prado last time in BP.

First knock of the year for Norton.

I know….I know….un-freakin-believable

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:32 pm

jeffrey d,

Ok, you’re right. The past two days have been business as usual for this organization.

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:32 pm

White Blood cells…..Do me a favor, don’t lecture me on this organization. I know how they do business, and I also know that thsi wouldn’t be the first time that an internet report wasn’t true.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

N. Sc Steve

No Prob Bob…

But Sending Conrad Down when he was hot in June was the last straw for me in somewhat supporting Cox…Keeping Norton on the squad was another reason why I had BF’s over and over agin…

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

N. Sc Steve

No Prob Bob…

But Sending Conrad Down when he was hot in June was the last straw for me in somewhat supporting Cox…Keeping Norton on the squad was another reason why I had BF’s over and over agin…

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

jeffrey d

There was a blue jay doing his hawk impersonation in our yard this afternoon. Love it when they do that–they’re trying to scare the other birds away so they cann eat all the food!

That’s too bad that yours is gone. :( Hope nothing happened to him…

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

My 6:32 was for Steve from Ohio – Sorry

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:33 pm

Remember when Lowe kept throwing hanger after hanger? And Bobby thought “maybe one of those hangers will turn into a ground ball!” But instead, Lowe got lit up for like, 10 hits in the inning? That’s too long.

Awesome! We’ve found the definition!

We’ve also found that Cox has violated it exactly once this season. Worthy of firing/running-out-of-town-on-a-rail/complete dismemberment? You tell me.

RemoW

September 23rd, 2009
6:34 pm

14 years the Braves went to the post season. Fans complained that we only won one World series. They complain that we didn’t make it out of the NLCS. Then complain that we stopped making it out of the first round of the playoffs. Now the complaints are that we miss the post season.

It cracks me up. I personally was always happy we made the postseason. I was always heart broken when we got knocked out. I would much prefer going then not going.

Bobby Cox was instrumental in those 14 winning years. It is was his style and Leo’s talents that made guys like Denny Neagle champs.

It is Cox’s style that made Javier Vasquez this good this season. He is a cheerleader and in a sport that can turn on you as quickly as baseball can, guys need someone to help keep their confidence up. No one does that better then Cox. Javy struggled in Chicago because Ozzie called him out. He is not the type of guy who responds well to that management style.
His previous managers were Ozzie and Frank Robinson both tend to be hard nosed. That doesn’t work with all players.

Cox’s main issue (there are a couple) was refusing to pull KJ or Francouer and play his hot hands. Give them 100 abs, fine but he left them to die. Not his finest hours. Using Prado and Infante while they were hot would most likely given us at least 5 wins more likely 7-10.

I glad he is coming back for 1 more round and if you all want Chipper to retire. My best guess is that if Cox goes and TP or Don Baylor is not managing. Chip is retired too. They could go into the HOF together.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm

wbc–re: your 6:32–What about it, now? Don’t recall making any statements in that vein.

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm

njbraves,

So you question O’Brien, who reported knowing Edes and respecting him.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm

Prado’s out of lineup, KJ in batting eighth, Diaz moves up to second.

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm

Brooks Conrad being sent down was the last straw???? really?? Brooks Conrad???

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:36 pm

That’s too bad that yours is gone. :( Hope nothing happened to him…

Too bad that my what is gone?

Johnny Schuerholz

September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

It is a scientifically proven fact…that every team will win 54 games…lose 54 games…and it is what you do with the other 54 that determines success or failure. (I mean…look at the Yankees. They have done unbelievably well with that “other 54″ thus far…how about only 2 losses…as they only have 56 losses this entire year…I have them at 42 – 2…with 10 games left…and winning again today!!!)

And in determining this years Braves record…I have found it to be true that Bobby was personally responsible for 9 games…or 6%…(so far…11 games left still to go) …that we were going to win…that he turned into losses.

With that said…

I STILL BELIEVE

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

Prado’s out of lineup, KJ in batting eighth, Diaz moves up to second.

Yay!!

AND, that’s already one spot on the Bingo card

njbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:37 pm

blood cells…..I’m not questioning anyone, i personally don’t care if they argued or not. I’m saying this story may be true, it may be false. You’re acting like it has been verified by Wren and Cox.

Couch Tater

September 23rd, 2009
6:38 pm

Chop Chop

I’m a Bobby fan, but I couldn’t resist. Pic of Bobby and Wren after the Press conference.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tZ-yszpRiPI/SmLNdVqWwOI/AAAAAAAACHA/V2WWkpFdH9w/s400/Mule+Kevin+BoyerDSC_0094_1082+copy2forblog.jpg

Couch Tater

September 23rd, 2009
6:38 pm

Chop Chop

I’m a Bobby fan, but I couldn’t resist. Pic of Bobby and Wren after the Press conference.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tZ-yszpRiPI/SmLNdVqWwOI/AAAAAAAACHA/V2WWkpFdH9w/s400/Mule+Kevin+BoyerDSC_0094_1082+copy2forblog.jpg

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:38 pm

Steve from Ohio,

Get over yourself and stop jumping to conclusions dude. I support whoever the manager is and am glad it’s Cox. However, I’m not going to agree with anyone who says he managed well this year because he did not.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:39 pm

Cue the Official Kelly Johnson Fan Club theme song!

That one’s for you, Dave.

Bobby Cox Farewell Tour Starts Tonight

September 23rd, 2009
6:39 pm

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm

jeff d and McFann – my Blue Jay disappeared not Jeffrey’s !

White Blood Cells

September 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm

njbraves,

Do you really think they would verify it? Do you verify to people when you argue with your wife?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:40 pm

Another thing that Bobby did to piss braves fans off was his reluctance to move Francoeur and A. Jones for the power spots in the order (4-5-6) when they were clearly automatic outs that hurt the braves offense last year and the year before

And Having Roachey hit no higher than 7th when he has been our best power hitter since his arrival was another reason as to why I jumped on the “Bash Bobby Bandwagon”

Add That Loss in Hanson’s Start in Houston as well where he pull him after throwing shutout ball when he could’ve gone another inning…

Please Don’t get me started or I will do another post P-Lentz Style…

Where is Soph/ She’s my psychiratrist…! I’m bout to have a BF right Now thinking about the games we lost because of Bobby

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm

jeffrey d

:oops: :lol: Sorry! That post was meant for dogsbrekky! Not sure how I happened to type your name…

:lol: You’re prob’ly wondering, “What the [heck]? Why is McFann randomly telling me about a blue jay?”

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm

What does that have to do with the Braves’ business as usual or lack thereof, though? That’s what I’m confused about…

Oh, and enlighten me: how am I jumping to conclusions? When did I say that he has managed well this year?

Or perhaps you’re jumping to conclusions?

amicusterrae

September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm

Just about what I expected. Same ‘ole attacks and defenses.
LET IT GO!
It’s a done deal.

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
6:41 pm

dogsbrekky

:lol: Yeah…that’s what I meant.

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm

I’m glad that I’ll get another year to look in the dugout and wonder, “Gee, what will it be like having a new manager for the first time since I was ten?”

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm

Woo hoo some Dave Coverdale on the ol’ bloggage, thanks so much for the memory STEVE OH

One of my favorite (cool) power ballads… not cheesy .. just brilliant

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm

McFann: “Why is McFann randomly telling me about a blue jay?””

Actually…I think it’s really not that unusual at all for you to throw a random comment about a blue jay, Egg Sac or Turtle on the blog.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:44 pm

CHIPPER JONES
“I’ll believe it when I see it. Bobby’s as much of Atlanta Braves baseball as Skip Caray or Pete Van Wieren, all those guys were. More so, because he’s been the one constant through the entire run that we’ve had over the last 20 years. It’ll be a sad day when he leaves.”

“It’ll be a little bit of added incentive [next season], to send him out on a good note. But the personnel that we have in here, that’s up to Frank [Wren]. Whether Bobby goes or stays, Frank’s going to try to put the best product he can out there on the field, regardless of who the manager is. That’s his job.

On how he’s said he hoped to play his whole career for Bobby:

“Well, Bobby might be my only manager. We’ll see. If I have a good year, I will consider continuing to play, depending on who the manager is. [That’s] very important.”

“Obviously the way things are done around here may change. That could be good, could be bad. Guys around here are used to the way Bobby runs a camp, the way he runs a clubhouse, and the way he runs a game. And something different could be culture shock. But, I mean, there could be some positives. Could be some negatives. Just got to wait and see who the lucky soul is.”

Easy shoes to fill?
“Yea [he laughs]. I wouldn’t want to be stepping into ‘em.”

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
6:45 pm

NJBraves

Conrad got sent down right after he hit that 3 run homer in Washington to beat the Nats…

Everyone on here wanted him to stay on the bench and this was right before KJ got sent down…

I remember a majority of the people on this blog saying “Conrad gets sent down while Norton stays as well as Diory Hernandez, WTF”

Conrad was hot when he got called up and Bobby sent him down for no reason…and this was when the AWFense hit RockBottom

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm

McFann – I just figured because we talked about Lovey Cann yesterday you were sharing bird stories with me.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm

And I would’ve said heck…you didn’t have to put it in brackets

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:46 pm

DEREK LOWE
“First of all, a guy like that, it’s like Joe Paterno – you let him leave when he wants to leave. But I also think, to go out and have a final year is good, to get whatever [appreciation that's going to come for him], and I also think it gives the organization a year to think about who they want to have take his spot. It’s not like, all of a sudden, ‘I’m retiring,’ and spring training’s in two months and it’s this mad scramble to hire his replacement.
“I imagine it’s going to be hard for him. I mean, this is all he’s done. But from my standpoint, unfortunately I’ve been used to having managers change all the time. It seems like everywhere I’ve gone, it’s been one guy after another. I was actually looking forward to, you know, when you come here you pretty much know who your manager’s going to be. But I think everyone’s got to stop doing what they’re doing [someday]. Only he’s going to have the answers why he only wants to do it one more year. But it’d be great, not just next year but this year, to somehow get him back to the playoffs. Get him back to where he wants to be.
“His competitive nature is incredible, as far as managers go. It’d be great to give him another chance to manage at that level.”

On next manager: “It’ll be interesting to see what happens. This organization just pretty much runs on its own. Or do you bring in someone who’s just going to make wholesale changes. That’ll be interesting to see. But either way, they’ll get it right.”

Ryan Howard

September 23rd, 2009
6:47 pm

I’ve selected the Atlanta Braves Theme Song for next year!

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
6:47 pm

Prado just went down during batting practice. Kelly Johnson hit a liner off his left leg, it looked like.

:roll: Thats the 2nd time this season he’s tried to take Marteeeeeen out. DOB, can you confirm or deny reports of clubhouse tension between the two? :lol:

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:47 pm

PETER MOYLAN
“He’s the only manager I’ve ever had, and from what I’ve heard everybody around the league wants to play for him. I don’t know what it’s going to be like without him, to be honest with you. I can’t imagine the Atlanta Braves without Skip [Cox].”

“I don’t think you really need any extra incentive to win, and he’d say exactly the same thing. But knowing it’s his last year, and knowing it’s been such a good career and him wanting to go out on a high note – I said you don’t need any extra motivation, but I’m sure it’ll be in the backs of our minds.”

“I wouldn’t have a career if it wasn’t for him, to be honest. He gave me the opportunity in ’06 to come up and prove that I could pitch at this level, after a mediocre year in Triple-A. And the faith that he showed in me in ’07 and then again this year, coming back from surgery – that’s something that you want to be able to pay back to him, but I don’t know how to do it except to go out there and try and pitch as best as I possibly can.”

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
6:48 pm

Alright! KJ get some playing time. He’s 4-for-18 with a HR and 3 BB’s against Met’s staff ace Mike Pelfrey in his career. .222/.318/.389/.707. Not flattering stats. But Kelly’s hot. He’ll improve that line tonight.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm

JAIR JURRJENS
“I think that maybe some guys are going to take a little more pride to give him at least one more run to the playoffs and maybe give him a chance to win a ring again.”

When Cox leaves, “It’s going to be like Smoltz and Glavine, when Glavine left the first time and Smoltz left. It’s not the same clubhouse without them in there, because you’ve seen them for a lot of years. It’s strange. It’s strange.”

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
6:49 pm

I’d like to see Bobby and Chipper go out together after another World Series loss to the Yanks. It would be like old times. :lol: I hate you.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm

“I will consider continuing to play, depending on who the manager is” Chipper Jones

Uhh, shouldn’t he want to play anyways? I mean, is he so scared that he won’t get pampered by another manager that even if he has a good ‘09 that he would retire anyways? That comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm

MARTIN PRADO
“I was expecting [Cox to return in 2010]. I think he had some fun this year, and he’s seen that we’ve got a pretty good team, and just a couple of little things that we’ve got to work on, and if we keep the same team, same pitching staff, I think we’re going to be fine.”

“I’m glad that he’s coming back. He’s one of those guys who always supported me, supported my work, and he knows what we can do. He knows the team, knows everybody here, and I’m so glad, so happy that he’s coming back next year.”

KENSHIN KAWAKAMI
“There’s still a slight chance we can make the playoffs this year. But next year, I hope it’s going to be a lot smoother season, and I hope to contribute and help him have a great way to end his great career.”

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
6:50 pm

Ryan Howard…

That was absolutely hilarious….lol

cvbraves

September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm

Just want to go on record that Bobby Cox is…and will be…the greatest manager of alltime to me. Glad he’s coming back next year and wish he’d never retire.

Now if some of the Bobby haters want to retire and not return to the blog or as Brave fans, I could accept that.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm

It’s going to be like Smoltz and Glavine, when Glavine left the first time and Smoltz left. It’s not the same clubhouse without them in there, because you’ve seen them for a lot of years. It’s strange. It’s strange Jurrjens

….how would he know?

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:51 pm

NATE McLOUTH
“I haven’t been here as long as a lot of these guys, but he’s great to play for and it’s good to know I’ll be playing for him next year…. Knowing it’s going to be his last year, and as much as he’s meant not only to the organization but to major league baseball, it certainly won’t hurt [in terms of motivating team to succeed in 2010].”

“He’s been the face of Braves baseball for a long time. When that chances, it’s going to certainly be weird.”

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm

cvbraves,

I just hope you support the next manager as much as you support Bobby. I wouldn’t want you to be inconsistent.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm

BRIAN McCANN
“Having him back is great for us. The team we’ve got going into next season is a team that has a chance to really do some good things, and all of us in the clubhouse want him to be the guy who calls the shots. I think if next year is going to be his last year, we definitely want to send him out on a good note and get this organization, get everything back to where it was when he got here, and that’s on top of the division and making a postseason appearance every single year.”

“I thought he’d come back [in 2010]. The team we’ve got coming back, on paper it’s going to be a really good team.”

Tom Glavine

September 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm

Dear Braves

Please consider this for your 2010 Theme Song.

McFann =Ô=

September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm

NSS

Haha…that’s true…

jeffrey d I just figured because we talked about Lovey Cann yesterday you were sharing bird stories with me.

Ok…yeah, I mean, it’s not that I wouldn’t want to be telling you this…it was just kinda funny…

And I would’ve said heck…you didn’t have to put it in brackets

:lol: Of course you would’ve! Sorry…reflex…

Thanks for the quotes, Chief!

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm

Most important thing about Cox coming back is that Wren can’t make bad trades just to give Cox a serious shot for one season. Wren did a great job fixing the rotation. Fix the offense while allowing Heyward to become a fixture in RF.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
6:55 pm

Steve from OH

If you don’t mind I would like to ask you some surgery questions.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
6:56 pm

All of the number crunching and speculation surrounding the possibility of the Braves still somehow making the playoffs is a true sign of the delusion that has come to identify this organization.

It could and should have happened; it will not.

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm

Good work David O’Brien…Very interesting stuff!

Gwegg Nawton

September 23rd, 2009
6:58 pm

Sorry Ryan and Tom, but Bobby let me pick the song for next year.

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm

Mitchell – mate, when the Grim Reaper knocks on your door, you do not cave in, you kick him in the balls, head butt the mother and think about positive things… nothing in this wonderful country is impossible, including the Braves winning all 11 remaining games… woo hoo

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
6:59 pm

Rob–absolutely, I’m always happy to help in whatever way I can, LOL! I’m leaving for the library like, now, so I’ll answer as much as I can in one post and get the rest when I return…

Go! (LOL!)

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
7:00 pm

Chop Chop–I will support our next manager with the same sense of urgency as I support this one. Because I’m a winner.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
7:00 pm

David O’Brien

September 23rd, 2009
6:35 pm
Prado’s out of lineup, KJ in batting eighth, Diaz moves up to second.

If KJ’s batting 8th then Chipper should at least bat 7th. I think Kelly is the only guy on this team who’s worse than Chipper at this point. Give Chipper the respect to bat him 7th and put LaRoche at the 3 spot.

Come on, how hard is this?

dogsbrekky

September 23rd, 2009
7:02 pm

Stev OH and Gwegg Nawton – god I never thought I would hear 2 1970’s icons on the same blog… especially a duo as different as Neil (I like girls, really) Sedaka and the great David Coverdale

Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}

September 23rd, 2009
7:02 pm

As pissed as I am that Bobby is coming back, I have to admit, I’d tear up if this was his last year…

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm

dogsbrekky,

It’s beside the point. We’re better than the Rockies as far as I’m concerned and we might very well win every game (ha!) but they already did their job. They know how to win when matters.

It’s too late. It’s not happening.

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm

Good, Steve.

Props to you for being a winner. I’m sure you would agree with the advice I like to give the kids:

Never be a loser.

Words to live by.

Rob from SC,

I can’t wait until Heyward retires. Why? Because I won’t have to read any more crap from you about how wonderful he is.

Jose Chung

September 23rd, 2009
7:03 pm

Who cares what a damned Yankee from ohio thinks?

keylargo

September 23rd, 2009
7:04 pm

Tim Hudson is 105 – 2 with a three run or more lead in his career according to the Mets broadcasters.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:04 pm

Good quotes, DOB. Thanks.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
7:05 pm

Who cares what a damned Yankee from ohio thinks?

These guys.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:06 pm

Steve from OH

The doctor said my labrum was a mess. It is torn on the front and the back of the shoulder. The capsule also needs to be made a lot smaller. He said that I will need at least 7 anchors but most likely more. The good news is my doctor trained with James Andrews. How sore we you after the surgery? I can’t miss many classes.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:07 pm

Chop Chop

Kiss my A S S!

Gwegg Nawton

September 23rd, 2009
7:08 pm

dogsbrekky

I hear they were serving Khadafy Korn Flakes today down in Manhattan today.

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
7:08 pm

Hahahaha…

Good luck with the surgery and rehab, Rob. That doesn’t sound fun at all.

Jerry

September 23rd, 2009
7:08 pm

Good for Bobby and me. I’m glad he’s back. This is the best thing possible for the organization. Next year should be wild. The way Bobby manages to win today tomm. be danged. LOL I cant wait.

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
7:09 pm

Congrats to Bobby. He is going out on his own terms. He deserves at least that much for making the Braves what they are today.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:10 pm

Chop Chop

2 months in a sling
and 4 months rehab

6 months before I can do regular things, and over a year before it feels normal again.

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:10 pm

Kelly knows what he has to do to get into the lineup…

Mike in LA

September 23rd, 2009
7:12 pm

sorry guys, i haven’t read all the comments. is it just a day off for Prado?

HoCoJo

September 23rd, 2009
7:12 pm

You are correct Frank Wren. Bobby has made the current Braves a bunch of under-achievers.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
7:13 pm

As far as the nuts and bolts of the surgery go, I can’t tell you much w/o seeing your charts and stuff to compare to mine (and even then I couldn’t tell you much at all, LOL!), but as far as mine went, I was able to go to school the next day (it was a stretch to do so, but you won’t have any trouble to miss one day and return the day after IMO).

It’ll hurt a little bit, but that’s what they give you pain meds for, LOL! I was in a heavy-duty sling, so day-to-day wasn’t bad at all, because I didn’t move it at all. Removing the arm from the sling for changing shirts and showering was dicey though, so have your wife help you. The rehab will be the worst part if you have a traditional capsulorrhaphy like I had (don’t know about thermal but I assume that wouldn’t be pleasant either)–so be ready to be stretched against your will! As far as day-to-day activities and post-surgery pain go, I don’t think you’ll have any trouble, unless he knocked out your writing/wiping hand.

But do take it easy at first (unless otherwise directed!)…I’ll be back later if you need more.

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm

Jeff Francoeur looks weird in a Mets uniform. Then again, everybody looks weird in a Mets uniform…

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm

My fantasy team is in a tight playoff race, Hunter and Morales both just struck out in their last RBI situation of the day, I needed Prado to start today, damn it all!!!!

But seriously though, baseball is fun.

Jerry

September 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm

And another thing it will be exciting to see the roster Wren puts together for Bobbys final run

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm

I see jeffrey’s guy knocked my guy out of the lineup. Feel better Marteen.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm

Mike in LA, Kelly got jealous.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm

Steve from OH

They are not going to do thermal. They are shrinking it a different way. Yes it is the arm I write with so that will take making adjustments.

Mid Town Joe

September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm

That’s was a gutsy move by Steve from OH.

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm

You are correct Frank Wren. Bobby has made the current Braves a bunch of under-achievers.

All Bobby did was turn the Braves from the laughisng stock of baseball into a consistent winner. He is going into the HOF for a reason. I think he deserves a little respect.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm

Soph

what happened to Prado

Johnny Schuerholz

September 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm

DOB…

I am sure, to a man, the players all love playing for Bobby.

Now…if he could only hit 40 homers, hit .350, drive in 120, strike out 10 a game, never make an error, never blow a save opportunity…wow!

Booby Cox…a very good manager…never great. I am sorry. 15 Division titles and only 1 World Series ring. No need to discuss the ’shoulda, woulda and coulda’ theories today…

Just like Bobby, I want to go out a winner as well…so how about it? 2009 looks dim…so there is always…wait till next year?

BELIEVE

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm

I love watching Huddy pitch.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:17 pm

Mid Town Joe

September 23rd, 2009
7:16 pm
That’s was a gutsy move by Steve from OH.

what was?

Gone Bobby Gone

September 23rd, 2009
7:18 pm

This is the best of all possible scenarios to the Bobby Cox situation. You have to think the Braves management knew that changes had to be made and sooner rather than later. They couldn’t fire Cox. Cox has practically said himself that he just can’t walk away. So what to do?

So they ask Cox back for a farewell tour and have it mapped out for him to remain with the club in the capacity described. Cox gets to say he was asked back, which he was. Cox gets to walk away on his terms…..even though his terms are actually mapped out by the club.

This is a very good situation for all concerned.

I wish this were Cox last season, but I can understand and accept another year with Cox under the circumstances. This allows him to receive his due for a storied career and allows the Braves to prepare for his successor.

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:19 pm

I feel like I haven’t been around here in forever…

What’s going on with you guys?

Mid Town Joe

September 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm

Rob from SC

The surgery and rehab.

btw – How many times will your boy Spurrier toss his visor to the ground tomorrow night?

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:20 pm

Watching the Mets’ feed and the guys practically had to yell when the plane flew over it was so loud

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
7:21 pm

Rob – during BP he was on the field near second and Kelly was taking BP. Line drive ball hit Prado pretty hard (somewhere in the leg area – I think the shin). It must’ve been painful b/c the whole team gathered around him when it happened.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
7:22 pm

:lol: the morons are really out today.Almost makes me wanna root for the Braves to totally tank it in 2011 just to watch the board. …almost

keylargo

September 23rd, 2009
7:24 pm

Plus when Hudson is given four runs total he is 125 – 24

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
7:24 pm

I love watching Huddy pitch.

Same. I hope we keep him, and Javy.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:24 pm

Hey RG, hows school going?

Obligatory Comment

September 23rd, 2009
7:25 pm

Marteeeeen woulda made the out.

Tommy Boy

September 23rd, 2009
7:26 pm

Who you calling a moron?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:26 pm

For All the quotes D.O.B. provided us is why D.O.B. is the Beat Writer that everyone one loves to hate. In other words he is the most popular beat writer on the ajc.

I don’t know If D.O.B. knows this but he has become the TBS of Braves Nation, especially for the people who don’t get FSN South…

When I lived in Arkansas he was My TBS…OMG, I’m Crying Crocodile Tears here…(Joking)

But D.O.B. “Is The Best there Is, The Best There was, and The Best There Ever Will Be”

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:27 pm

Mid Town Joe

I feel like I am the only student who doesn’t go to the game. I just am not a big football fan. I expect Spurrier and CO to get blown out.

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
7:27 pm

nolie, did I see you write here yesterday that you liked Burn Notice? Might of been someone else, but if so, I am also a big fan of that show.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:27 pm

But Tomahawkin, DOB is the only beat writer for the AJC. :lol:

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
7:28 pm

this is the second time Prado was hit by a line drive during BP.

Ken Rosenthal

September 23rd, 2009
7:30 pm

Ken Rosenthal with a good article on the Cox retirement. Basically he said that Cox may not be as sharp as he once was as a manager but deserves the farewell tour next season. He even hinted that with the Braves projected talent next year, Cox could go out a winner.

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm

Efrim-

Yeah, I like watching Javy pitch, too. Hey, if there’s anything else that can come from Bobby retiring after next year, it’s that you know they’ll “go for it” in ‘10. So, maybe LM will go all out and we keep Huddy and Javy!

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm

McCann should take the night off and recoupe a bit

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm

Mac = OWNED on some cheese!

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
7:31 pm

Kelly Johnson hit a liner off his left leg, it looked like.

KJ’s gotta find some way to get into the lineup…

AndyC

September 23rd, 2009
7:32 pm

I don’t believe the story about Cox threatening to leave spring training. That doesn’t sound like Bobby. I don’t think he would do something so childish. Also, if it did happen, I don’t believe for a second that DOB would suppress the story. That is idiotic. His job is to break stories and that would have been a hell of a story. Hopefully with next year being Bobby’s last year, it will light a fire under this team and propel them to the playoffs.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
7:32 pm

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:33 pm

GA is a singles machine, like Todd Helton only not as good!

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
7:33 pm

I’m sure everyone has been waiting for my comments on today’s big news, and, after serious reflection, all I can say is, “Happy 60th, BOSS!”

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
7:33 pm

Those are some good (and expected) quotes from all the players. But notice how NOBODY said the team would be doomed without him? They all said how “wierd” it’s going to be. Chipper was the only one that stated he’d wait to see “who” it is, before deciding to continue playing (presuming he has a good enough year to not retire after 2010).

When David Lee Roth wasn’t in Van Halen anymore, it was certainly “wierd”. It’s up to the fan, whether it was better or worse. I’m sure it was wierd for Cowboys fans when Landry was let go, or Steelers fans when Cowher walked away. It was certainly wierd seeing Girardi instead of Torre in pinstripes, as it will be seeing anybody other than LaRussa in St. Louis.

But, DOB, show me a quote, or get somebody on record to state how “in trouble” they will be without him, and I might start buying into how important he is to this franchise having success.

Like I said earlier. Provided Wren gives Cox a 25 man roster that Paul Lentz couldn’t screw up, let the old coot stick around for 2 or 3 more years. But Bobby’s days of making this team better or maximizing the talent on the roster are long gone, imo.

That is unless you (or anybody) think this team wins 5 or 6 LESS games without him in the dugout.

My belief is, that when a team is in transition, or rebuilding (which we clearly were – even though veterans were brought in), the old regime needs to be out of the way.

Bobby has shown too much loyalty to guys that he shouldn’t have this season. As soon as a head coach or manager loses his ability to be objective in his decision making, he’s lost control of the team.

It’s just time for change. I can’t put it in any more simple terms than that. 2011 can’t come soon enough.

Rock On......

September 23rd, 2009
7:33 pm

Just as Anders and I discussed in the last blog. No way Bobby was announcing his retirement after this year. Bobby pretty much said h ewould be back in 2010 by saying an announcement would be made by Sunday. You just don’t announce something like that with that timing and retire in 2009. Lo and behold he announced it today and not Sunday that he is coming back. No shock there.

Let’s see Prado has 4 multi hit games in his last 5 with 3 hits in three of them but he is sitting in favor of KJ. I am assuming he has flu symptoms?

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:33 pm

RHR-

School is insanely busy. I had a boatload of homework last night, plus it was my roommate’s 21st birthday. It’s a good thing I like my classes or I’d probably be going insane…

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
7:34 pm

if there’s anything else that can come from Bobby retiring after next year, it’s that you know they’ll “go for it” in ‘10. So, maybe LM will go all out and we keep Huddy and Javy!

Roman Gal, good point. Maybe keep them and sign Holliday? No? Just sayin, go for it, right?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm

RHR

I believe that the Hawks and Falcons Have their own Beat writers

What Happened to the Chop Chick…?

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
7:35 pm

Where’s that Tiger’s Wood clown?

I got some “obnoxious” for him! :evil:

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
7:36 pm

(Efrim)

yes, big fan.lotsa fun, love Bruce from forever

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:36 pm

Maybe keep them and sign Holliday? Efrim

I could get on board with that…

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:36 pm

Roman Gal…

Are you a young Cat as well…?

If So then CheeseWhiz…? We are all young braves fans on here!

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:37 pm

I’m goin’ gay for Laroche!

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:38 pm

God Roachy has been clowning since his arrival!

I got the munchies! I need some little debble cakes!

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:38 pm

Not really, I’d rather see Berkman or Lee at 1B next year, but Laroche is one hell of a second half player. Maybe he could pitch the first half and then switch to hitting for the second or something.

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm

Are you a young Cat as well…?

Young is a reletive term, and I’m not as young as some people here.

Martin Prado on a Motorola RazR from the trainers table with an ice pack on his leg

September 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm

Psh. Ho, sit down. I coulda got ‘em both in.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm

Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season…

Dump Gonzo and MFIKY and get C.C.!

Use Petey-Pabb as the Closer and let Easy-E be the set up man!

Thoughts..?

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
7:40 pm

I like it when we get two early on :)

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:41 pm

How would subtracting two staples in the bullpen for yet another left-handed bat solve anything? We just need a good right handed bat in there. Diaz and Esco are good, but we need a righty or switch hitter with some power to push this team over. CC wouldn’t be utilized properly anyway cause Bobby doesn’t run much.

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm

Did Kelly Johnson just have a good at-bat? I think Kelly Johnson just had a good at-bat.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm

NOBODY said the team would be doomed without him? They all said how “wierd” it’s going to be. Chipper was the only one that stated he’d wait to see “who” it is, before deciding to continue playing (presuming he has a good enough year to not retire after 2010). (N8)

more strawman crap Neight. Nobody has ever said on here that Cox is irrreplacable, those kind of over the top comments come from the haters not his defenders. The main reason most ever praise Cox on here is in response to a much more emotionally charged rant against him. Get real, dude your posts have been kinda full of that kinda stuff lately. :(

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
7:42 pm

yes, big fan.lotsa fun, love Bruce from forever

Nice. Bruce is the man.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm

There We Go Nate Dawg!!! Since they know that they have no chance they have been Clowning!

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:43 pm

3 million dollars for a sac fly, a good series in LA and 3 months of suck ain’t too shabby. I wish he was making more.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
7:44 pm

Don’t worry, David, you’ll still win the Gold Glove.

I’m pretty sure his parents are on the voting committee.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
7:46 pm

Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season (T Hawkin)

C’mon man, he is not necessarily a FA and at this time should not be described as such. even if…PASS. too expensive for what he brings to the table in today’s game

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
7:46 pm

“Nobody has ever said on here that Cox is irrreplacable.” nolie

I’m calling bullsh!T (with a capital T). Plenty have said how much worse off we’d be this year without him. And that if/when he doesn’t return, we will see a drop off in play.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
7:46 pm

I see jeffrey’s guy knocked my guy out of the lineup. Feel better Marteen.

Sorry….it probably wasn’t on purpose.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
7:47 pm

Did Kelly Johnson just have a good at-bat? I think Kelly Johnson just had a good at-bat (JKFC)

he practiced up on Marteeen

rico43

September 23rd, 2009
7:47 pm

Tim remembers how to pitch to Frenchy.

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
7:48 pm

cabravesfan – good to have you home early tonight…

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
7:49 pm

Elias Rankings Update:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/elias-rankings-update-3.html

LaRoche remains a Type B and puts some distance between him and the “no-status” status.

Garret Anderson, against all odds, remains a Type B by a fairly large margin.

Gonzalez and Soriano remain in no jeopardy of falling out of Type A status.

Tim Hudson may have an outside shot at achieving Type B status, but a fairly large ways away (Tim’s at 53.333 points, Pelfrey, the highest on the list who isn’t a Type B, is at 58.409, and the lowest Type B, John Lannan (whom Kelly has a career 1.133 OPS against, gotta squeeze in the agenda!), is at 60.00).

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
7:49 pm

Jon and Joe are shameless with their Facebook plugging…

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
7:49 pm

VJ-

always nice to get home before the game starts

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm

Phil Wellman, that’s who I want running the Braves after Cox leaves.

For those of you that recognizes the name, but aren’t sure where from, here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZUKHtW7vg

Mid Town Joe

September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm

After tonight’s win, should’t we say we Flushed the Mets instead of swept? (I didn’t name the area where Citi Field resides.)

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm

Facebook plug…still got nothing going on the Bingo card

Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox

September 23rd, 2009
7:51 pm

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:53 pm

Nolie

Agreed in some ways…but we haven’t had a leadoff hitter since Furkey left…

If we could get Crawford on the cheap side since he’s having an off year, it might me a good investment to sign him to a two deal if the rays decline his option…

Pluse he gives better Defense than Loaf and doesn’t have a ring yet…

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
7:53 pm

Sorry….it probably wasn’t on purpose.

Oh, I know. I just found it pretty ironic that it was Kelly.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
7:54 pm

Crawford’s not having an off year at all. And he’s another lefty.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm

Why can’t we rehire Loaf again?

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm

WTF no. Go get ‘em Bobby.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm

Gawd, Loaf Loves Bailout Ballpark!!!

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm

I’m really going to miss Loafy next season.

Wasn’t that a homerun? What happened?

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm

A single my ass.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm

Good hit for Mac. That should be a homer for Garrett.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm

Dammit He hit the Modell’s Sign!

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm

There’s a hit, BMac! And that’s gotta be a homer for GA! :roll:

Sorry for the delay…computer’s been occupied…

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm

I think Loaf is a good enough hitter (and remember he did miss all of SP this year), but his defense is just plain bad. I wish him 3,000 hits before he retires, but go do it in the AL bro.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm

Look at that fool over there pointing at where it hit. Ho, sit down.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm

computer’s been occupied…

Pete?

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm

That may be the longest single ever hit in New York City.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm

Dang! So close.

Loaf….clownin’!

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
7:57 pm

Okay, Yunel, make up for that one!

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
7:58 pm

Why not review to make sure? If it’s there – why not use it? Geez.

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
7:59 pm

C’mon Esco, Prado was taken out so I need you to carry my fantasy team infield tonight!

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
7:59 pm

Look at that fool over there pointing at where it hit. Ho, sit down. -RHR

:lol; :mrgreen:

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
8:00 pm

Braves Manager Bobby Cox Agrees to Contract Extension
The Atlanta Braves announced today that they have agreed to terms with manager Bobby Cox on a one-year contract extension through the 2010 season and that the team’s entire coaching staff will be brought back next year.

PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A CRUEL JOKE.

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
8:00 pm

Why doesn’t Garrett get pulled for not standing on 2nd there?? Should have been there easy but walked down the line. Just shows Bobby has something against Yunel.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:00 pm

C’mon Adam….knock a hoe-ma

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
8:01 pm

I love you, Daniel Murphy.

:-D

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:01 pm

Marc from FL

September 23rd, 2009
8:01 pm

Actually you didn’t read it all, it says afters Bobby leaves Chip Carey will take over in his place…

And get’em Laroche, kid is second-half gold boi, second-half gold

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
8:01 pm

Hah!

Oh, Murphy…

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm

I am disgusted by that Mamas and Papas daughter. Why on earth would she tell that stuff now? Oh wait…I know. To sell her book. Sickening. I hope it tanks.

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm

Agreed in some ways…but we haven’t had a leadoff hitter since Furkey left…

If we could get Crawford on the cheap side since he’s having an off year, it might me a good investment to sign him to a two deal if the rays decline his option(Thawkin)

Yeah I understand where you are coming from I just don’t agree much but that’s cool. Mainly it’s just too early to know what will happen since he might get renewed there. I wouldn’t hate getting him at all, but he’s another LHed hitter and overpriced for what the Braves other needs are IMO.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm

come on KJ, can’t just sac this time, dude.

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
8:02 pm

Ok, Kell Bell.

Let’s go, Buddy!

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm

RHR

“Look at that fool over there pointing at where it hit. Ho, sit down.”

LMAO

You are Becoming more and more like me everytime you blog on here…!

LOL

Next You will be bumping old Mariah, Janet Jackson, R. Kelly among others…

Now You crak me up…!

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm

We get Chip in the AL/NL Division series’ on TBS.

8)

Kelly Johnson Fan Club

September 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm

Damn. Oh well, he’ll get ‘em next time.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:04 pm

Oh, I undertsand…that was a base hit/RBI for LaRoche, but—

[auto malfunction]

bgvt

September 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm

Great quotes, DOB. Did I miss the quotes from Yunel or was that one of those times that you didn’t want to interpret the body language / Spanish for us?

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm

jeffrey d Pete?

Huh…no. Mom…

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm

RHR -

Hurts my brain to try and even wrap my head around that Mamas & Papas story.

Unbelievable.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm

I think We Need an End of Season Party at D.O.B.’s Pad!

If anyone agrees, then Give me a Hell Yeah!!!

D.O.B. and Carroll can Supply all the Goose…just everyone needs to show up…!

Make the event on Facebook D.O.B.

rico43

September 23rd, 2009
8:06 pm

Just a brief message to everyone who has declared here that they are through with the Braves because Cox is coming back: KEEP YOUR WORD!
You have no idea how much more entertaining this blog would be without your tired whining. Every manager does things to win games and does things to lose games, so it especially amuses me to read people noting games that he has caused them to lose. No other manager has blown games? And he has done nothing to win games? Just go away.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:06 pm

Tiger Woods –

Ho siddown!

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
8:09 pm

Next You will be bumping old Mariah, Janet Jackson, R. Kelly among others…

Don’t get carried away…

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
8:11 pm

Dare I say Lowe all over again???? Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
8:12 pm

Just a brief message to everyone who has declared here that they are through with the Braves because Cox is coming back: KEEP YOUR WORD! (rico)

we can only hope. I have no problem with those who don’t want him other than to think thjey’re doo doo heads, but the constant barrage of negativity gets old. and them we get somebody claiming we think he’s a god just because we defend him sometimes. The ratio of hate to acceptance posts on here is about 50 to one.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:12 pm

Go get him Bobby…..I KNEW they brought him back too early dammit!

Nice throw Mac. :roll:

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:12 pm

He looked out to me…

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:13 pm

Come on, Timmy, settle down now. Don’t let this one get away from you. We need the sweep.

Mid Town Joe

September 23rd, 2009
8:14 pm

RHR

I couldn’t agree with your more. That’s all I had to hear this mornning that the Mommas and Papas were doing their daughters! It’s no wonder I’ve quit watching the news!

Cox for Prez

September 23rd, 2009
8:15 pm

KJ gonna hit a homer tonight!

nolie

September 23rd, 2009
8:16 pm

BALLGAME!!! ?

Cox for Prez

September 23rd, 2009
8:16 pm

And how about McDowell, better than Duncan? I think so.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:17 pm

Cox for Prez

September 23rd, 2009
8:19 pm

McFann is really wanting something to cheer on tonight I think

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
8:19 pm

Way to hang in there, Timmy!

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
8:19 pm

Good work by Huddy. Sign that man.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:19 pm

Cox for Prez

I always do! :)

StingerSplash

September 23rd, 2009
8:20 pm

Second and third, no outs, and gets out of it. Nice escape job, Huddy.

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm

I was sorry to see BravesFanInWisc take his leave from us until 2011 – it was quite a change from his daily posts that we would not see here again until 2010…

Braves Paisan

September 23rd, 2009
8:26 pm

Nominations for the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame came out today. Two that interest me are Laura Nyro — one of the few authentic geniuses rock n has produced (check out Eli and the Thirteeth Confession) — and the Stooges.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:27 pm

Besides, I figure with all the flack people give BMac for “not blocking pitches”, someone oughta give him credit those many times when he does block one. I mean, people are always on here praising ssoR when he makes a play…

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:28 pm

Huddy…..OWNED by Frenchie!

Cox for Prez

September 23rd, 2009
8:28 pm

Aww, I miss Jeff’s fast-pitch league bloopers up the middle, good times, good times

Bat Masterson

September 23rd, 2009
8:29 pm

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:29 pm

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. This is not good.

Yunel Escobar

September 23rd, 2009
8:29 pm

Yo soy el mejor torpedero de los jóvenes en la Liga Nacional, pero mi manager, la grasa, el viejo Bobby Cox no le gustan los cubanos (o los negros, para el caso).

Él me trata muy mal. Pero el viejo, a lo largo de la colina, la HGH ex teniendo Chipper Jones puede caminar a la primera base en un terreno fuera, y es un coño. Él sólo juega cuando quiere. Todos en el equipo no lo respeta. Pero aún Bobby no hace nada para él.

Ahora, hoy, me enteré de que él va a estar aquí un año más. No es bueno.

Me pregunto si los Nacionales de Washington me querrías.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:29 pm

Huddy = Schneider-owned

Schneider even LOOKS like a ballplayer. 8)

CB

September 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm

Tim, you need three consecutive Ks here. Damn, son.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm

Tim’s fallen apart Bobby. Get Him!!!

Goldenglove002

September 23rd, 2009
8:31 pm

Bobby’s gonna be back one more year, and one more year only. Does this give the Braves in upper hand on some FA’s? There are alot of guys out there who want the opportunity to play for Cox.

Cox for Prez

September 23rd, 2009
8:31 pm

Yunel, learn a useful language like Ethiopian or something!

Braves Paisan

September 23rd, 2009
8:33 pm

Nominations for the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame were released today. Among them are Laura Nyro (Eli and the Thirteeth Confession proved to me that she was one of the few authentic geniuses the genre has produced) and, playing yang to Laura Nyro’s ying: The Stooges.

DOB, please use all your journalistic clout to ensure these two get in before ABBA, also nominated this year (God knoweth how or why.)

Adda Boy Huddy

September 23rd, 2009
8:33 pm

Adda Boy Huddy!

ChurchMan

September 23rd, 2009
8:34 pm

Bases loaded and 1 out, can he work out of trouble again?

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:36 pm

D O B gettin’ all avant garde on us with the Perry Ferrell stuff.

Is he going to be spinning that at “the party?” :(

Yunel Escobar

September 23rd, 2009
8:36 pm

Cox for Prez

Su un idiota y tiene un pene pequeño

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

Not with KJ screwing that one up, churchman

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

He absolutely sucks. Thats why we have a better record with Prado huh?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

KJ, COME ON!!!

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

I like Kelly, but damn, we shoulda had that one.

Couch Tater

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

Hudson just threw his clothes in the trunk.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

Don’t know why Huddy’s giving KJ the stink-eye. He just booted one himself to keep the inning alive.

STFU TIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Secure that D

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

Braves have a lot of starting pitchers that don’t miss bats. Get better defensively.

Adda Boy Huddy

September 23rd, 2009
8:37 pm

KJ is tanking his trade value on purpose, this is sabatoge! Quick, someone call Chuck Norris, only a Texan can kill a Texan! It’s like werewolves and silver bullets only with drunks with anger management issues!

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm

Generous call at first. :roll:

kirkinga

September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm

Much better job by Kelly that time!

gcs

September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm

I understand as part of Bobby’s extension, the entire coaching staff will be back next season. Did he include Norton in the deal too?

.

Hudson fan

September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm

jtb

September 23rd, 2009
8:39 pm

Thanks for all the quotes DOB.

MFin04

September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm

Kelly Johnson’s glove still sucks, and Bobby Cox playing him against a right-hander is yet another reason, he has got to go!!

Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}

September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm

Kelly Johnson is clearly a down grade of Martin Prado…

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm

Nice DP…

To all the loser Melts fans in attendance at Bailout Ballpark, Ho Sit Down!!!

I would’ve loved to say that 10 years ago when Chipper was on his way to the MVP

Can anyone believe he stole over 20 bases 10 years ago…?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm

RHR

I will get you on to that old Mariah and R Kelly “Bank On It”

Ditto for D.O.B

Tim

September 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm

Thank you KJ for making the job of getting rid of you, easier.

kirkinga

September 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm

Yunel why would you want to leave for the Nationals?

Adda Boy Huddy

September 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm

My
Entire
Team
Sucks

METS

Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}

September 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm

Michael Buble? Thats the first Verizon music person who has talent…

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm

Lets go here, Mac. Send it outta here :)

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm

Mac, just because you are at a season high on Ks, you don’t have to keep doing it :(

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHGGG!!!!

DANGIT!! Why are you swinging at all this cr—-

This is the LAST time I EVER get excited about a pitching matchup AGAIN!! :cry:

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:44 pm

My thoughts exactly, bravesgrl4life. :cry:

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
8:45 pm

Wow- did McFann almost kind of swear?? Poor girl must be really mad! :mad:

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm

DOB – Did you book the Creedence show at Turner?

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm

cabravesfan – I just hope she never hears you during a football game… ;)

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
8:48 pm

Bobby coming back is one thing but please tell me Kelly Johnson will not be on this team in 2010.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:48 pm

Love this Buble tune. I get a little misty too.

Bank on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqe0Il3gWSs

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm

Still pluggin’ that dang Facebook page.

I won’t be swayed!

kirkinga

September 23rd, 2009
8:49 pm

Wow, Garret put in motion. I don’t think we’ve seen that this season.

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm

VJ-

I have had plenty of practice censoring myself when I watch football games with my 2 year old nephew ;)

Yunel Escobar

September 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm

kirknga

Yo no. Bobby y Frank se me cambian a ellos para Adam Dunn.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm

cabravesfan

I am…like, seriously…I can’t take these K’s…Not against Pelfrey! Before tonight Bmac had just one K against Pelfrey in 23 career ABs…1 K in 23 career ABs!! And 2 already tonight…

New career-high is now at 76. :cry: Need a lotta doubles to make up for that.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
8:54 pm

I wanna Yankees tatt!!!!!!!

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
8:54 pm

Even though that was a Mets tattoo, I like it. I want to get me a Braves tattoo…

BIOMASS

September 23rd, 2009
8:55 pm

I’m disgusted with McGuirk, Schuerholz Wren etal keeping Cox around. I knew it would happen, but I’m still disgusted nevertheless.

Ditto on MacKenzie Phillips’s book. A junkie will do anything for the habit. If it’s true, it’s…. well, disgusting. If it’s not, it’s still disgusting.

I’m considering becoming a Braves hater until they become serious about winning a WS.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
8:56 pm

He called that a strike on BMac in the second…

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
8:57 pm

I wanna Yankees tatt!!!!!!!

Oh, Mixxo…

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
8:58 pm

McFann-

deep breaths girl…deep breaths! ;)

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
8:58 pm

Good D, Tim!

kirkinga

September 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm

That’s the Francoeur we’ve come tomknow and love!

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm

Daniel Murphy is rackin’ up the LOBs.

keylargo

September 23rd, 2009
9:01 pm

Yunnel really wants to play SS for the Marlins. The Braves could send Prado and Escobar to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla. :lol:

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
9:02 pm

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:03 pm

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm

Come on guys, need a few more runs. Matty-D, it’s up to you, baby.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm

Are we gonna get another of those 2 out rallies here?

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:04 pm

Great time for you to kill some mets here, chipper!

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:06 pm

McFann, if Chipper gets a walk here and then BMac flubs, I’m leaning toward Hanson on the jersey. Just sayin’ :)

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm

Hello, where is everyone???

Efrim

September 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm

Gary Cohen just said Howard is climbing closer to Pujols for MVP. I mean, are you freaking kidding me? No Gary, not even close.

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
9:08 pm

bravesgrl4life – talking to yourself, eh?

Bill in VA

September 23rd, 2009
9:08 pm

glord1—Another good, well thought out post, at 4:47. Thanks.

Greg in TN

September 23rd, 2009
9:08 pm

Evening denizens…

Thanks for all the coverage DOB, the masses do not understand, nor do they appreciate the fine line a beat writer has to walk in terms of how much off-the-record things can be hinted at and what has to just be filed away. Thanks for all you do from this denizen.

Braves are playing well of late, and it’s still an uphill struggle in terms of getting to October, but even so, good to see my favorite team playing good baseball.

I have some thoughts about the announcement today, but for now, baseball is front and center. Would love to see B-Mac do some damage here with the bases juiced.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:08 pm

MAC – You can do it – no, not a K, I was going to say you can GS this time. That would make up for the two Ks already.

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm

VJ, yeah, I guess so. Where the heck did everybody disappear to? Is there a party I wasn’t invited to?

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
9:11 pm

Attaboy Mac! Keep on on killin’ it son.

My Gawd!

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:11 pm

Franceour always wanted to have a batting average the same as Chipper’s

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:11 pm

Damnit, son. I know the hand’s hurt and all, but please. Going to clean up the dinner dishes now. Can’t just sit here talkin’ to myself anymore. Ya’ll might think I’m crazy or something.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:13 pm

That’s a bingo slot.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
9:15 pm

These quotes are from the “fan comments” section of the story on the Braves main page:

““I can guarantee that the Braves will spend 10 to 15 years before they find a replacement for Cox. You can count the really good managers on the fingers of one hand.” Commenter: Jerry

And nolie says that people don’t suggest how doomed we are destined to be without Cox. Let’s not forget about all the callers on Atlanta sports talk radio. That’ll be fun tomorrow, huh?

“There are 28 team owners who wish they would have had the success of the Braves under Bobby. And Bobby didn’t have Steinbrenner’s unlimited pockets to work with.” Commenter: Marc

This guy either just became a Braves fan, or he’s in his teens (no offense McFann). Because in the 90’s the Braves WERE the Yankees of MLB. The ironic side, is that once the Yankees started using the Boss’s open checkbook, their post-season dominance tailed off. It’s that kind of ignorance that floors me.

Think about it people. The Braves (with Ted) were able to afford, Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Chipper Jones, Fred McGriff, Ron Gant, David Justice, Javy Lopez, Andruw Jones, Denny Neagle, and many others in the PRIME of their career, and there was at least one team that had ALL of those guys on it at one time (1996 – actually Gant was already gone, but….)

And people want to whine about Bobby and the Braves not having Stienbrenner’s money. Nope. They just had Ted’s. Too bad for them.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
9:16 pm

Yo Brian, I’m really happy for you and I’ll let you finish, but Mac is the best catcher in the whole wide world!

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm

Nice play, Roachy!

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm

Professional D right thurr folks.

Greg in TN

September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm

Sweet glove work by LaRoche.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:17 pm

Nice DP, and Nice Stad Roachy!

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
9:18 pm

Franceour always wanted to have a batting average the same as Chipper’s

Too bad his OBP, which is more important, isnt even close.

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
9:19 pm

Hey DOB, i understand what you mean by saying that the Braves would have to go 9-2 and the Rockies go 4-7, something like that, but if you think about it, all it takes is a 5 game winning streak for Braves and a losing streak from Rockies and we are right there tied, lol.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:20 pm

I’ve changed my stance on LaRoche…I hope we resign him. Crappy first half or not

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:21 pm

Geeze….0-2 and an error I see. Way to make the most of your playing time, Kelly…

Jose Chung

September 23rd, 2009
9:22 pm

Chipper still stinking it up tonight?….Yep. Why don’t we just give him the rest of the year off?

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
9:23 pm

Colorado losing big to SD………..

Well its only 2-0, but that looks big to me……..even 1-0 would

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:23 pm

Big caveman brow…

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:23 pm

I see they’re going to show Nate’s face everytime they plug Jessie James now.

chilidog75

September 23rd, 2009
9:24 pm

Maybe they should LaRoche to a winter league so he can go ahead and have his sucky first half there. And then he’d red hot once the real season started.

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:25 pm

I know I’m getting old, and I do have 2 teen-age daughters, but who in the heck is this Jessie James they keep talking about…Neither of my daughters knows much about her as well…….

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:25 pm

3rd hit tonight by our #7 hitter………….

Herschel Talker

September 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm

Where is Vinings Jim?

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm

bravesgrl4life – strange day – lots of comments on the news, then very sporadic during the game

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm

Nice Shot KJ!

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm

That might sting later.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm

Geez, Kelly. Someone get the bat out of his hands – he’s dangerous today!

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm

The blog will be confused to know that ESPN’s Jim Caple just stated that one of the biggest reasons the Braves won 14 straight division titles, but Cox was also a big part of that.

So… is ESPN still full of idiots when they make comments like that? God forbid that Joe Morgan and Jon Miller might say something nice about Bobby Cox, huh? The blog would turn into a bunch of rainman’s when he didn’t get his maple syrup.

All this time, I thought ESPN hated the Braves. The Cox news is actually at the top of their headline list….. on the main page, not just the baseball page.

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
9:28 pm

KJ – shin hunter expert.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:28 pm

That’s my boy!

Did Boog just say “Jerry Manuel with the clap…”?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:29 pm

LOL

Jesse James is the “Road Dogg”, “Oh You Didn’t Know!”

P. W. Hjort

September 23rd, 2009
9:29 pm

You see, that bat is too useful at 2B to get rid of for nothing.

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
9:29 pm

It feels like if we have been all season long 3-6 GB either from the phillies and/or the WC leader.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:29 pm

That’s my boy!

Man crush…

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:30 pm

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
9:31 pm

Colorado’s down 2-0 in third

Brian the Brain

September 23rd, 2009
9:31 pm

Jeffrey D,

Yes he did. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
9:31 pm

chilidog75, I like your idea about winter ball for LaRoce. LOL

Another option, would be to hit him over the head, knocking him unconscious in spring training, then make an elaborate scheme, to make him think it’s July when he wakes up. All calendars and DVR menus would need to be set forward. There would need to be many people in on it. Like the Truman Show. I think I saw that on Days of our Lives in the 80’s, and then at least 4 or 5 times on ALIAS. So you know it can work, right?

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
9:31 pm

… and Florida is down 6-4 in the eighth

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm

N8..

One thing I’ve noticed about espn, is that the baseball tonight crew has always been high on the Braves, especially Kruk and Steve Phillips.

It’s the sportscenter anchors and play-by-play men who are forced to talk about the big-city teams. Also, the programming executives are the ones who force-feed the yankees and red sox on us……….

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:32 pm

Just checking. I’m sure it was unintentional. As was having a brown eye race in the G-Braves’ Eye Race.

Brian the Brain

September 23rd, 2009
9:33 pm

I’m thinking about making sure I have tickets for the final home game for next year. And it would be fitting if Bobby got thrown out during it.

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:33 pm

tomahawkin

The New Age Outlaws….I remember them all to well.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm

Infante got robbed there on that – it shoulda been ball 4.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:34 pm

Come on, Nate! Jessie’s watching.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm

Three quality starts for Hudson in his past four games (after going 5-1/3 innings in his first start back)

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm

Soph just proved that HE IS JOE SIMPSON!!!!!!!!!

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm

Come on, Nate! Jessie’s watching.

And the battle for her heart depends on this one AB

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:36 pm

As Jessie shuts off her TV in disgust.

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
9:36 pm

With Tim Hudson looking alot like Tim Hudson it would be awful tough to not pick up that option.

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
9:36 pm

One thing I’ve noticed about ESPN is that they devote airtime to Braves games, just like they do for every other team in the league.

Who gives a sh!t that some teams get more airtime than others.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:36 pm

Soph just proved that HE IS JOE SIMPSON!!!!!!!!!

Damn, cat’s outta the bag.

And the battle for her heart depends on this one AB

Fail.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:37 pm

Soph’s a dude??

Jessie James---kisses,kisses

September 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm

Hey… that Nate guy is kinda cute! Is he any good at baseball? Not that it matters because I’m not much of a singer, but just curious anyway.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm

Petey-Pablo is in, Yes,Sir!!!

Moylan isn't a closer

September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm

He just isn’t.

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm

My guess on Hudson. Two years at 19 mil signed this early November.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm

cabravesfan deep breaths girl…deep breaths!

I would if I could, but I can’t.

bravesgrl4life

:x

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm

Ugghhh

Petey-Pabb, Whats going on here, I don’t like this…!

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm

Soph’s a dude??

:roll:

Yeah, Soph’s short for…ok, I can’t think of any guys names that start or have Soph in them.

Don’t worry Nate – you deserve better. We still love you.

TnBrian)Vazquez ace 2010)

September 23rd, 2009
9:40 pm

When Chipper retires he’s gonna come out with Chipper-Gay. This man aches more than my granny.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:41 pm

Glord1

2 years 19 mil for Huddy…?

Not a bad proposition to bank on, I like that proposal

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
9:42 pm

Had to pick the wife up from school. What did Frank Wren have to say.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:42 pm

And Moylan isn’t a closer wins the out of left field award tonight.

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
9:42 pm

Moylan has great command lately. He really sharp.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm

Soph has gotten aggressive

I don’t want to see her have a BF…

That would not be good…

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm

McFann, what was your last one for me about? I’ve been off for a little bit and don’t remember what I posted to get that response.

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm

I don’t know if Soph’s a boy or girl. All I know is at the exact same time Soph posted the 9:34 post, Joe Simpson said the exact same thing

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm

X-rays negative on Prado’s leg. Negative being positive, of course

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm

cabravesfan – any plans for the second game of the World Series?

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:43 pm

Had to pick the wife up from school.

That makes it sound like you’re married to someone really young.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm

“prattvillenolzfan, Agreed. Kruk and Phillips have always praised the Braves (so have Morgan and Miller), and even though Gammons probably bleeds Curt Schilling’s blood, he’s never had anything overly negative (that wasn’t deserved) about the Braves. ESPN will cover, and over saturate their coverage of winning teams.

Even though we are “close” and have been playing good ball for a while, they have zero reason to cover the 2nd or 3rd place team in the WC race in late September. NO REASON. I bet had we took 2 of 3 from SD and handled ourselved better against Cincy, ESPN would be ALL over the Braves right now. So, the Braves are to blame for their “lack” of coverage.

My favorite ESPN personality, is Doug Gotlieb (sp?) on ESPN radio in the afternoons. He’s about as honest as it comes. I think he’s a SD Chargers fan, and he gripes about having to talk about the Patriots and Yankees and Red Sox, etc…. He often openly admits, that with ESPN being in the upper East Coast, their is a certain bias to those teams. Yet, also disputes that they would still talk about them if they didn’t continue to win.

I hardly ever watch sportcenter anymore. Between the Braves official site, or ESPN’s online game stories (that usually come with video clips), why sit through and hour of sportscenter, when you can click to the 2 or 3 stories you want to read and be done with it.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm

I’m pretty sure Soph’s a boy, prattville.

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm

jeffrey d

She is in Grad School

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm

Maybe Cox shouldnt bring Moylan in here? Lord knows he is overworked

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
9:45 pm

I am going to give you a little inside Huddy info. He does not want to leave. Really integrated into his community and if he gets a fair offer to extend he will take it. The Braves just have to be fair and I bet they get a bit of a discount.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm

Oh, T’Hawkin, I don’t have b’fests or fits, whatever they are. I’m a happy person.

pratvillenolzfan – I’m psychic. Actually, I clicked submit on my comment a few seconds before Joe actually said it. Eh, so I beat him.

Glad Marteen’s okay.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm

Petey-Pabb, Come On!!! WTF

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm

Darn sidewinder :mad:

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

Shut up, jeffrey. I’m pretty sure you’re a butt.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

Soph

BF is known as a B…ch Fit…

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

“X-rays negative on Prado’s leg. Negative being positive, of course.” DOB

Love that, when you say that. Reminds me of the old Kenny Mayne schtick on sportscenter, when he would say….. “And Barry Bonds connects for his 34th HR (not in this game….. that would be a record).

Not sure whether you are insulted by that or not. But I’m equally amused by it, and appreciate it EVERY TIME you type it. Almost expect it and wait for it.

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

VJ-

not sure…may have a friend in town ;)

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
9:47 pm

Brand new BALLGAME…. soon.

:(

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
9:48 pm

bravesgrl4life

Here ya go…

I was just messin’ with ya. Sorry…

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:49 pm

Come on Easy-E. Get that last out, please.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
9:49 pm

Soph’s not a chick…..after all?

Jerry Lee Lewis

September 23rd, 2009
9:49 pm

I once had to pick up my wife from school too.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:49 pm

Time For Easy-E to play the “Thuggish Ruggish” Role and strike the Mudda Sucker out!

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:50 pm

K, McFann. I just hate seeing our boy struggle so much. Don’t want to see these guys blow it tonight. I do want to sleep :)

Braves Paisan

September 23rd, 2009
9:50 pm

Greatest X-ray baseball quote had to be after Dizzy Dean was hit on the noggin’ by a line drive and knocked out, and the next day the paper proclaimed” “X-rays of Dean’s Head Show Nothing.”

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
9:50 pm

If the saying is true about you live and you learn and Bobby applies that to bullpen next year, we might have a chance. Throw in a big bat and I think a monkey could manage this team next season and win. Just a shame that we might win 90 games and miss the playoffs this year.

You better bring it next year old man!!

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:50 pm

I thought it was b***** fest.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:51 pm

To all those Dumb Melts Fans who ply that stoopid cuo and Drum and say “Lets go Melts”

“Ho Sit Down!”

Blow-tran you too…!

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:51 pm

N8

our espn station in Prattville/Montgomery has Paul Finebaum on in the afternoon, so I don’t have the luxury of listing to Gottlieb(and I REFUSE to listen to Finebaum.

The only sports show I will watch is the College Gameday Crew before and after the games. I’m not just into pro football that much, so I don’t pay attention to the sunday games.

Although I will watch ESPNU this Friday night….Our Prattville Lions will be on TV against #5 ranked Don Bosco Prep of NJ…………

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:52 pm

Good job, E. Now, Braves, add some insurance in the 8th. Either that or go 3 up 3 down and then make the Mutts do the same in the 8th and 9th so I can go to bed at a decent time.

Hubby’s out in the garage. So much for spending time with him tonight :) He’ll come in when the game is over and I’ll be heading to bed. Oh well.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:52 pm

Jeffrey D

Nope It’s a Bit..ch Fit, Did you ever watch “White Chicks”?

That’s where I got it from…

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm

Chipper left game with a stiff back

Roman Gal

September 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm

but who in the heck is this Jessie James they keep talking about…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBZSK0gVClM

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm

No, never seen White Chicks.

I love how Boog just called Ball State a “power”

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm

Props, DOB, you posted that before Boog could say it on TV :)

Bad Scooter

September 23rd, 2009
9:54 pm

Norton to hit

Rob from SC

September 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

So did Wren not say anything important

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

I think at the end of the Year I’m gonna designate The late Easy-E CD to O’Flaherty

Easy E and Petey Pablo have been unsung heroes in our pen this year, Not MFIKY AND Gonzo who get all the props

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

Norton to hit

I believe that’s an oxymoron.

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

cabravesfan – that sounds like it might be fun…. :)

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:55 pm

Rob – about what? Bobby? I haven’t heard anything from Wren.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm

Well, at least if he gets hit, he gets on.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm

Soph’s not a chick…..after all?

*sigh*

Sorry you had to find out this way, Mixxo.

:-D

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
9:57 pm

Even Norton’s gotta pad his numbers.

Paul Lentz

September 23rd, 2009
9:57 pm

While I understand Bobby Cox’s desire for one more shot to go out a winner……….I am disappointed to see him returning for 2010. Bobby’s refusal to make changes early in the season cost the Braves dearly. Of all the players that he “stuck with” that should have been benched or released early in the season………Peter Moylan is the only one who has rebounded. Meanwhile, Greg Norton, Kelly Johnson, Jeff Francoeur (when he was with the Braves), Jeff Bennett, Buddy Carlyle (I dont care if he is recovering from diabetes, he’s always been a BUM), and Jordan Schafer (I’m not so down on him…however it was clear early in the season that he was over matched and needed more seasoning in Triple A).

Frank Wren is the one who needs to be thanked profusely for the Braves success this season. He made a number of shrewd moves and put together a roster that even a “bumbling” Bobby Cox couldnt keep under .500. The Braves should be 5 games ahead of the Rockies right now….and right there with the Phillies……….instead of their current predicament of missing the play-offs. Bobby Cox coddled these players, instead of pushing them to “kick it in gear”.

Then again, when you know that Bobby has your back…..no matter how much you SUCK A$$……then I can see why some players arent motivated to play with a sense of urgency. I still believe that if Jeff Bennett had not slammed his fist in the wall…….that he would still be SUCKING A$$ for the Braves. After all, Greg Norton SUCKED MORE A$$ than anyone in MLB this year.

The re-signing of Bobby Cox for 2010 has John Schuerholtz written all over it. True Braves fans will have to wait one more year for Frank Wren to put his most important stamp on the Braves…….hiring a manager who will not waste away the kind of starting pitching that Bobby Cox fumbled away this year by his stubborn, but sadly predictably ineffective moves.

Regardless, I’m optimistic that the 2010 Braves will excel. Frank Wren will remake the offense in the same manner that he rebuilt the starting pitching last winter. Hopefully he will do a good enough job that even a bumbling Bobby Cox wont be able to screw it up.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm

Normal Norty, there. Why, oh, why? Please tell me that Wren made it a condition of allowing Bobby to come back that Norton has to go :twisted:

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm

VJ-

I think it will be…been a while since we’ve seen eachother

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm

Jeffrey D, your 9:55 is classic. Love it.

glord1

September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm

Did Boog just say “Norton retired”. Will ESPN cover the press conference?

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
9:58 pm

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm

Of course my link didn’t work, bravesgrl4life :roll:

K, McFann. I just hate seeing our boy struggle so much.

Me, too…But PLEASE don’t say “K”!!

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
10:00 pm

cabravesfan – it got strangely silent here, since your last post (which I enjoyed)

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm

Chipper…

Come On Bro…!

I bet he gets hurt during Sex, What Gives!

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm

Me, too…But PLEASE don’t say “K”!!

There’s a jinx

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm

Uh oh. Cue, McFann.

:-(

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm

Sorry, McFann. I hope I didn’t bring that one on. :(

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm

Bets on what expletive she says? I think she’s extra mad and gonna go with “Crud!”

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm

:(

Chipper and Mac now know it’s over. They’ve “quit.”

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm

VJ-

that situation can be rectified…

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm

Wren – You let us down big time man.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm

Never saw that one coming. Who would have believed Norton would hit a weak grounder to second?

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm

I scanned Lent’z post, but he didn’t use any of his quotes right, so no Bingo :(

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm

I second “crud”. But, in all caps.

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm

cabravesfan – you need to make the request…

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm

Yeah, the all caps was implied.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:04 pm

Gonzo, do NOT walk French or do that :evil:

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:05 pm

Fine, no exclamation point for him then.

Gonzo…

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:05 pm

.139 average and still wearing a Major League uniform in September. Want to bet he’ll be back as our premier PH next year?

cabravesfan

September 23rd, 2009
10:05 pm

s walker

September 23rd, 2009
10:05 pm

Enter your comments here
Padres grand slam … almost

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm

Who besides Soriano is left in the pen?

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm

How about we just not use Gonzalez for the rest of the season?

Is that possible?

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm

Fine, no exclamation point for him then.

Pretty soon it’s gonna be demoted to a question mark.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:06 pm

I want to see Sheffield up so that they Bump That old Mystikal…”Here I Go!”

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm

Well, you got your wish T’Hawkin. I didn’t hear any music though.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm

Yes, They Played It!!!

s walker

September 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm

padres score 3

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:08 pm

Looks like they forgot to tell Gonzo that anyone can hit a pitch down the middle (except Norton)

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
10:08 pm

FIVE BOBBY COX REASONS WE WON’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR

1. Misuse of bullpen
2. Sticking with French Boy and Kelly Johnson way too long early in season
3. Wasting a spot on roster for Norton
4. His refusal to let a major league pitcher go nine innings when they are lights out
(see number one)
5. Not able to prepare this team to beat the teams we should

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm

jeffrey, I liked the music you linked to last night. I listed to it when I got to work this morning.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm

Soriano is in the bullpen?

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm

Soph

I heard it but it was very low( I know the beat, normally they Blast it!!!

That old “Here I Go” by Mystikal is my Jam!

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm

I love it when Boog and Joe talk trash like this about other team’s fans and stadium atmosphere.

Give me a break. Turner Field is like a pet cemetary. A peaceful pet cemetary, that is. Not a scary, Stephen King pet cemetary.

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm

No more Bobby

These 5 points have been posted many times the past few weeks. Try to be more creative please.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:10 pm

Maybe Gonzo owed Frenchy a favor?

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
10:10 pm

Paul Lentz – agreed

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:10 pm

So glad that was foul.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

Careful, Mike.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

Thanks Soph…I loved it – it was EXACTLY what I was looking for.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

Two exclamation points for you.

Gonzo!!

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

Can They make a stat on Wild Pitches allowed for catchers to better evaluate catcher’s defense…?

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
10:11 pm

There are a lot of good and decent folks/Braves fans on this blog. As much as it is hard to become friends with someone over an internet connection, I consider many here my friends.

The rest of you frustrate the hell out of me. You seem to be smart, but you don’t study history. You criticize Bobby Cox, but you don’t know or understand the man at all. You talk about how he “stuck” with this guy too long, and fail to understand that he has ALWAYS stuck with his players.

Like I said, you seem like smart folks (at least some of you), but you don’t pay attention to what has happened here the past 20 years.

We all get frustrated with our manager when a bad decision costs us a ball game. All managers cost their team games. They all have terrible games, and they have great games. BUT, in the times when they make a great decision, all you say is “jeez, I coulda done that!”

So hello to all my friends, and to the rest of you…..why don’t you take you lame azzed ideas of fantasy baseball and go do something constructive.

That’s where I am heading…..

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm

Well done, Gonzo, even if you should not pitch anymore this year!

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm

Soph, here’s my commercial ;)

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm

prattvillenolzfan – Not trying to be creative. Just posting the facts. I could get into specific games but I did that a month ago. Maybe if you were on here besides when we just win you would know that.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:13 pm

bravesgrl4life – do you still like that Matt Ryan commercial? Love him but I’m sick of the commercial.

NO MORE BOBBY

September 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm

I knew Wayne in Utah would show up today. One because of the Bobby Cox announcement and two because he seems to find the blog when Braves are winning.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm

On a completely unrelated note, I’ve been meaning to draw attention to this vent from the other day, which sadly wasn’t posted by me:

Nunez? Bobby might as well have brought in Mahoney…

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm

Did we change pitchers after Frenchy batted?

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm

First time I’ve really seen it tonight. I’ve been facebooking while I watch the game, so my attention has been divided.

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm

Cox is the reason we are this close. The man reworked this entire franchise until we were made of winners.

Cox is a winner. We are lucky to have him

Goldenglove002

September 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm

If Moylan pitches in 2 more games and doesn’t blow up his ERA, he will be only the 4th reliever with atleast 85 appearances and a sub-3.00 ERA this decade. (Pedro Feliciano could also do it). The others:

Oscar Vilarreal did it in 2003 but posted a 7.00 ERA in only 18 innings the following year (and even worse the year afterwards)

Ray King did so in 2004 and followed up with an OK years in 2005 but has continued to decline badly since.

Scott Eyre did it in 2005, and had followed a similiar path to King up until this year, along with plenty of stinits on the DL

So what can we realistically expect from Moylan, who is in his first season after major surgery, in the future?

Braves Paisan

September 23rd, 2009
10:16 pm

Noise Made isn’t the only metric of Fan Quality. I don’t think they are overly loud in St. Louis, and they are generally considered among the league’s best. From my years in NY I have observed that unlike Yankee fans, Metros fans tend to be excrucinatinly loquacious and cacophonous, but generally unschooled in the sport’s finer points.

The Bird and Indian (Reggie)

September 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm

I really wasn’t expecting to come back on the blog much the rest of this year with football starting back. But it’s just getting too dang interesting to stay off. That sweep in Cincy really killed us though. The Rock lose tonight and we win and it will get even more interesting. Go Braves, Tech, and Saints!

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm

I think I’ve seen it a few times today. They play it a few times each game if I’m not mistaken. Still not as bad as those Carrabbas commercials. Those drive me crazy.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm

Oh B&I , you lost me with the Saints. ;-)

s walker

September 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm

padres 6 Rockies 0

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:19 pm

The “How bout foosball??” commercial was the one that was about to send me to the looney bin

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:20 pm

Soph, they don’t show it during the early morning news. I leave at 6:30 and have turned the TV off by 5:45 each morning. I’m at work all day and then usually don’t get the TV much. Having to keep telling my husband that the season is almost over so he’ll keep letting me watch games. Promised him I wouldn’t watch tomorrow :)

Chopdawg

September 23rd, 2009
10:21 pm

What bugs me about that Matt Ryan commercial is, how did that dork sitting next to Ryan get those scissors on the plane

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
10:21 pm

Don’t look now, but Padres are up 6-0 on Rockies

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:21 pm

I’m tired of the McDonald’s commercial with the rookie in the locker room acting like he’s a big man.

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
10:21 pm

I havent looked now

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:21 pm

The Melts Attendance numbers at Bailout Ballpark resemble those at the old Shea Stadium following the Strike in 1995

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm

Good question, ChopDawg.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm

That sucks bravesgril4life! Remember, you have to get a second tv and hook up the dual receiver before next season! Then, your husband’s on his own. :-)

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
10:22 pm

DOB, only bad thing about that is a 6-0 lead in Denver is like a 1-0 lead anywhere else, it isnt safe.

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm

No More Bobby

Actually I work nights, Wednesday is the only night I’m off. I usually read the blogs when I get off around midnight, but I won’t respond to a post from several hours sooner. As far as calling me a fair-weather fan, I’ve been watching the Braves since the 72-73 season. Although I lived 5 hours away (I now live 2 hours away) I would go watch at least 4 or 5 series a year.

I’m like you. I know we need a change, however it’s not going to happen. The only thing we can do is put up with it. Bitching about it is not going to change the fact that he’s here for 1 more year, so we just have to learn to deal with it.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm

Boog and Joe really need to check those 3 messages on the Blackberry

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm

Joe Simpson hearts Kelly. A lot.

Tomahawkin

September 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm

Bravesgirl4life

I’m tired of the cell Phone Commercials, The Gayco Commercials and anything McDonalds Commercials

Oh yea add those stoopid Amstel light commercials to that as well

Goldenglove002

September 23rd, 2009
10:23 pm

I’m tired of all of the McDonalds and Airtran commercials, period

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm

Yep, that’s the plan. I’ve already got the dual receiver, so just gotta get the TV. I’d ask for it for Christmas, but I’ve just about got him on the hook for my jersey. Just gotta decide if it’s gonna be McCann or Hanson.

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm

NO MORE BOBBY

That was intended for you and about 2 dozen others. You seem to be a smart enough guy, except for your one obsession. Can’t you go back in time and see that what I am saying is true?

And Paul Dense (I use a variation of your name so you won’t respond to me on purpose), there was a line from a Shakespeare play that suits you perfectly: it is a tale told by and idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing….

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:25 pm

Well on the plus side, if MFIKY blows this save, it’ll give me a nice vertical on the Bingo board.

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:25 pm

Alright, MFIKY, stop that sh!t :mad:

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
10:25 pm

I had a dream I was “the guy” getting Soph’s breakfast in the Airtran room service ad.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm

The Rockies don’t quit in the 5th inning and they don’t play the Padres like the padres are a pushover. Get back to us if the Padres are still up after the Rox bat in the 9th.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm

bravesgrl4life -

Oh, you can’t go wrong with either Hanson or Mac. For McFann’s sake, I’ll say get the McCann. :-)

I still have my old Andruw t-shirt. Along with a Chipper & Huddy.

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm

Enter your comments here

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm

Any list of reasons addressing the issue of whether Bobby Cox should retire or why we won’t make the playoffs this year is really a list of why we should be going to the playoffs.

We have a pitching staff worthy of the World Series and an ability, when everyone does their job, to beat just about anybody. It’s not to say we’re a first place team but it doesn’t help when you have a third place manager.

Sorry Wayne.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:27 pm

Mixxo -

That makes me the chick eating that nasty-ass toast, then?

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm

Soph, I’ve still got my Francoeur tee, too.

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm

Hit the wrong darned button. Sorry about that!

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm

If I didn’t know better I would think Soriano’s mind is a thousand miles from this game.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm

I still have my old Andruw t-shirt. Along with a Chipper & Huddy.

I have Andruw, Huddy, McCann, and…..Drew.

Vinings Jim

September 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

Well done, MFIKY!!!!

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

GAME!!!! SWEEP, SWEEP, SWEEP :grin: :grin:

Wayne in Utah

September 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

Mitchell

You are dead on about one point…..you are definitely “sorry”.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

Yay! Great sweep.

Well, Mets – it’s been fun. Better luck next season.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm

REHIRE MFIKY

bravesgrl4life

September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm

Okay, nice talking with ya’ll tonight. I’m off to tell Hubby he can have TV now and then to bed. Good night, all. Have a good one.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm

REHIRE ROACHY

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm

Ugh, Drew. I don’t like him. Burn it!

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm

I actually feel sorry for David Wright. It’s that bad.

This really isn’t fair. It’s odd though, we lost 90 games last year and still beat them. I guess they can’t win any way you slice it.

It’ll be good to hopefully gain a game on those Rockies cause we’re going to get swept in D.C.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm

Night, bravesgrl4life!

prattvillenolzfan

September 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm

Like Boog said earlier, We win tonight and the Rockies lose, that’s down to 4 games. Rockies lose tomorrow, that’s 3 1/2 going into the week-end.

We play the Nats, the Rockies play the Cardinals.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm

REHIRE HUBBY!

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm

Break out the brooms!!!!!!!!!!!

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm

JD was my favorite when he was here. But I kinda thought we’d have him for more than one season…

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm

Night, bravesgrl4life!

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm

10-2 against the Mets in the second half this season.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm

Whoopy. McFann

We were wrong. She went with an unenthusiastic “Whoopy.”

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm

I actually feel sorry for David Wright.

WTF?

FIRE MITCHELL

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm

You got me Wayne.

Didn’t even see it comin’. No wait, I did.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm

ROX just scored and have 2 more on base.

Frank Wren

September 23rd, 2009
10:33 pm

I guess we won in spite of Cox

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:34 pm

Good call, FoxSS. I was just asking “What should I watch tonight? I really hope someone replays an old South Carolina game.”

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:35 pm

it will really, really, really, really stink if Colorado comes back and wins this game

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
10:35 pm

jeffrey d We were wrong. She went with an unenthusiastic “Whoopy.”

Sorry to disappoint…

I’ve run out of things to say for K’s.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:36 pm

Rox just scored again. Now the tying run is on deck.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
10:37 pm

Soph -

It’s just a little tough. :P

I used a fresh glass for your “old” orange juice though. :mrgreen:

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm

McFann – http://gapersblock.com/fuel/archives/clean_expletives/

Although they’re not all clean. My favorite is “crap-a-roon-dog!”

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm

and 3-6 against the Phillies the second half of the season . . .

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm

The dang Rox never quit!

What is it with those guys?

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm

Whoopy? You got me on that one, McFann. I really thought it was going to be crud in all caps.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:41 pm

I’ve been using fudgesicles.

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm

Bases loaded Rox still batting in the 5th

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm

I will tell you what it is, they are good at playing in that park, its definite home field advantage for them. I know, I know, the other team has the advantage as well, but what I am saying is that the Rox know how to use that park to their advantage.

ChurchMan

September 23rd, 2009
10:42 pm

The Braves can sweep the Mets twice but can they keep it going against the Nats?

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
10:43 pm

Churchman, I sure hope so. And speaking of Church, where has he been lately??

o-me

September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm

Can’t wait till 2011 !
Damn it will be a long year.

McFann Ô

September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm

jeffrey d

Haha! I like “fiddlesticks”…but it takes to long to type an doesn’t give off enough anger.

A good, old-fashioned “DANGIT!!” is usually the best way to go…Something about that “a” sound really gives off anger.

Sorry, Soph. I didn’t feel like posting anything after BMac’s latest K (I mean, what more cann type about those cr–uddy things?), and since the Braves won I thought I’d post a happy word after the game ended…

“Fudgesicles”–that’s funny. They finished the Mets like a fudgesicle…

Welp, that’s it for me. Night, all.

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:44 pm

Wayne,

In 20 years, when (else) did Bobby ever stick with a player the caliber of Greg Norton for a full season?

Rock On........

September 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm

Need I remind anybody that we have the mighty Nats coming up? Just knocked off the Dodgers.

What a blog! Has it’s own vernacular . We began the year with “your and idiot” then MFIKY hit the blog waves and it took about 3 months for me to figure that out. Now we have “ho, sit down” to bring our year to a close. Beautiful. All three should be readily adopted for 2010.

Doc Holiday

September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
10:38 pm

The dang Rox never quit!

What is it with those guys?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They are not doing something out of this planet, they get paid for it……..apparently our braves get paid for quitting early in the game if they fall behind.

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm

I think we’ll go 7-0 against the Nats (assuming the last 4 still matter by the time we get to them).

It’s the fish, as usual, that have me scared.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:47 pm

Night McFann.

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:47 pm

that Gload guy is clutch

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:48 pm

Night, McFann! Cheer up. :-(

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
10:49 pm

Nats knocked off the Dodgers?? What constitutes as ‘knocked off’ in your book? They hit a walk off sac fly, not really killing them there, and they lost 14-2 the night before.

Mixxo

September 23rd, 2009
10:49 pm

Doc Holiday @ 10:46

Exactly!

And people wonder why I’m bitter/negative. :roll:

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm

Geeze, it’s 6-2 for the Padres. You guys were talking like the Rockies were mounting some huge comeback. They have 3 hits.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:51 pm

And people wonder why I’m bitter/negative.

You’re not bitter. You’re a reverse psych specialist. I’m bitter when you say stuff about the Yankees.

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:52 pm

“knocked off” = beat, defeated

always has in sports vernacular, as far as I can remember.

I know for someone named “O.J.”, “knocked off” has a different connotation, but speaking in sports terms . . .

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:53 pm

jeffrey, the Rockies scored 2 runs and loaded the bases, plus the game is in Denver . . . they were “mounting” a comeback, they just didn’t complete it that inning.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:54 pm

I thought knocked off meant winning too. I didn’t realize it meant smashing your opponent into pieces or something.

brent a.

September 23rd, 2009
10:55 pm

I think “your and idiot” goes back several years (3, at least, if not more).

I do think people like to break it back in, in the spring, like an old mitt

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
10:56 pm

Knocked off just sounds kinda brutal to me, you know, like losing really badly. JMO

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:56 pm

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
10:57 pm

Knocked off means beating.

“The Braves knocked off the Mets last night”

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
10:57 pm

He’s smiling too! I really will miss him next season.

David..(Athens, AL)

September 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

Lidge blows another save … tie game in 9th 6-6

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

Hey what do you know, another blown save for Lidge, go figure.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

Braves’ eight-game winning streak against Mets is their longest against them since an 11-gamer bridging the 1982-83 seasons

o-me

September 23rd, 2009
11:02 pm

Freddy gets the boot in Fla-Philly game Philly 6 Fish 6 in 9th Fish have 2 on 2 outs. Fla WINS!!!!!!!!!!!
7-6

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:03 pm

He’s half smiling. Kind of got a Mona Lisa going on.

O.J.

September 23rd, 2009
11:03 pm

And another loss for Lidge, oh well, at least the Bravos won.

ChurchMan

September 23rd, 2009
11:04 pm

haha, now he’s the 0-8 Brad Lidge

just image is the Braves trotted him out there in every save situation … yeesh

kirkinga

September 23rd, 2009
11:04 pm

Lidge blows another one! The Phils are in big trouble come the postseason.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
11:04 pm

So, I was wondering what this bingo thing was about until I saw if on the Facebook page tonight. Hilarious.

I’d guess that everyone gets B5 and O5, and nobody gets I2. In fact, I don’t think I2 has ever been filled.

Greg in TN

September 23rd, 2009
11:05 pm

A win over this shell of a mets team isn’t what it used to be, folks. However, a win keeps us in the race and with the Fathers leading the Rocks through 5 1/2, the Braves might even gain a little ground in their chase for the postseason. I wouldn’t have expected the Pads to fare so well with Marquis on the mound, but then again, I’m also not about to look a gift horse in the mouth either.

Personally, I am glad Bobby gets to ride off into the sunset the way he wants to and the way many feel he deserves to, including me.

Great win tonight with the only downers being Prado’s injury during BP and Chipper’s tight back. Braves have to play well in the Beltway this weekend in a ball park where they’ve struggled since it opened last year. With the Cards playing in Denver and sending Carpenter and Wainwright out to the hill on Friday and Saturday, the Braves realistically have a golden opportunity to gain ground.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:05 pm

I don’t have the bingo card in front of me but I’m assuming I2 is PL using quotes correctly?

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

Wow, Lidge is now 0-8 with an ERA over 7.

They’re going to the playoffs, but the back end of that bullpen is shaky to say the least.

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
11:06 pm

Indeed it is, Soph.

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
11:07 pm

Oh yeah, Lidge makes $12 million a year.

Always a good idea to pay big bucks for a closer.

Rock On........

September 23rd, 2009
11:07 pm

Gotta start a poll for funniest blog moment of 2009.sorta like the poll question on the Braves page.

My favorite is still from denizen New Cars and his dog and gun story with Met Man chiming in that if the blog gets rid of him he hopes it isn’t New Cars that does it. Maybe I have a warped sense of humor but that was funny.

Carry on…….no wait, rock on.

fastasballs

September 23rd, 2009
11:07 pm

Loaf looks like he just finished a joint in that picture.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:07 pm

Yes it is, Soph.

Some of these can’t happen on most games. Like Chip overreacting, KK pitching 7+ innings, or Lowe getting sweaty after 3 pitches

Roja

September 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm

So far this year we are 10-8 vs the Phils, 4-2 against the Dodgers and Cards, 7-8 against the Fish, 4-4 against the ROX and 3-4 against the Giants. Too bad we play down to the bad teams.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:09 pm

Yeah, or Kelly starting. I mean he had to physically knock Marteen out of the game to get in there.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:11 pm

That’s why I was excited….it was my first time playing and right off the bat I already had one.

I was in and out all game, though. I only got 3 :(

Danga

September 23rd, 2009
11:11 pm

Greg Norton gets a hit should be a square. :P

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:12 pm

Hmmm, you should’ve gotten at least four of them. At least from what I saw during the game.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

F Brad Lidge.

Another blown save and all we can hope for is him thowing the ball into right field.

I seem to recall the one walk-off homerun in Braves playoff history was off Brad Lidge by Furcal in ‘04. Of course, that was in the 12th or 13th so that doesn’t count.

I’m not sure I can really blame BC for the Braves not being a comeback team at home but then, who should I? TP perhaps? We’re definitely not getting it done in that category.

But you know, I always find it’s best to ignore or deny any such problem rather than acknowledge it and perhaps do something about it. That’s just me though.

Rock On........

September 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

Knocked off is correct….I could have said knocked up or knocked out. That would have been worse….way worse. Knocked off is better.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:13 pm

Like I said, I didn’t see the whole game. I only got KJ starting, someone mentioning Frenchy, and….I forget the other one.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm

knocked up?

“The Braves knocked up the Mets last night.”

Doesn’t work.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm

Boog mentioned the FB page. Oh, and Bobby picked his nose.

Danga

September 23rd, 2009
11:14 pm

Anyone care to explain why you guys refer to Soriano as MFIKY?

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm

That was it…the FB page.

Bobby really picked his nose? Dang!

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:15 pm

Yeah, let’s stick with knocked off.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

Yes, and I saw it so I win. I got 4.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:17 pm

I got 4 with the free space.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:18 pm

Ok, then I got 5 with free space. I still win.

cwilliams4309

September 23rd, 2009
11:19 pm

As the season is coming down to a close,its been a encouraging season of sorts for loyal braves fans such as myself.At first I “questioned” the moves made by our bright GM Mr Wren and wondered aloud if the moves made such as the moves of cutting Glavine and letting Smoltz walk away were smart.Now after months of watching this season pan out,Ive come to the conclusion that the moves made in the off season such as signing D.Lowe and acquiring Vasquez via trade and during the season with the trades of Kotchman and Frenchy that brought back Laroche and Church were genius and also bringing T.Hanson at the time he was brought up was also shewd moves as well.These moves along with the streaking play of the Braves this season have brought back hope to Braves nation for a great season in 2010 in which a world title will be brought home by the greatest manager ever in Bobby Cox in his last season as the the Braves skipper.Congrats on a great season that would have continued with a playoff berth if not for that damm Reds series a few weekends ago at the TED and also congrats are in order for the GM and the COACH.Lookin 4ward to next season,Go BRAVES!

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:20 pm

If we had pictures on here, I think mine would be Loaf with a moustache.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:21 pm

At first I “questioned” the moves made by our bright GM Mr Wren

Seriously…do we need to have a quotation marks seminar for this blog?

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:22 pm

At least he/she posted something positive.

Mitchell

September 23rd, 2009
11:22 pm

cwilliams4309

Mr. Optimism. I am so not feelin’ you dogg.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:23 pm

But I see it a lot. It’s an epidemic.

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:25 pm

Schoolhouse Rock would help resolve the epidemic. I know there has to be a song that teaches people about quotation marks.

Rock On........

September 23rd, 2009
11:25 pm

I’m knocking off…..later. Go Braves! Just wondering does the cow have to stay in2010?

uga-brave

September 23rd, 2009
11:26 pm

great finish by the braves. after that 0-5 thing they could of easily layed down.

i hope the braves make a serious run at rochy. he is the offensive mvp of the team. the braves are not in this position without him.

on another note i hope the braves find a way to keep vazquez. hudson lowe, and kawakami are all sinker ball pitchers meaning they are not gonna miss a lot of bats.

gotta have one proven strikeout pitcher in the rotation (no i am not forgetting hanson.)

pretty sure there is not one person on here that thought the braves would win 87 plus games at the end of june.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm

I need to knock off as well. Later Soph/everyone

Steve from OH

September 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm

pretty sure there is not one person on here that thought the braves would win 87 plus games at the end of june

I didn’t. Said 83-84 pre-season and stuck with it at the ASB, so I’m pleasantly surprised right now.

jeffrey d

September 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm

Rockies scored one more…6-3 in the 8th

Soph

September 23rd, 2009
11:29 pm

Night, jeffrey.

RHR

September 23rd, 2009
11:31 pm

“/everyone?”

Pssssh.

David O'Brien

September 23rd, 2009
11:31 pm

LaRoche said he didn’t know what Braves were doing, but hoped they just keep doing it and that it’s not too late.

He also said he joked with Cox today about being like Brett Favre, said he’s going to keep coming back after saying he’s retired. “That’s probably why he came out and said [he's retiring] today, so he has to do it,” LaRoche said. “But I’ve got a hard time believing he’s going to do it. I’ve got to see it first.”…

Cox was closely monitoring the Rockies-Padres game when we entered his office for the postgame session. I mentioned Rockies trailed 6-0, and he said, “Well, now it’s 6-2, and the Rockies have two on with Hawpe up.”… He smiled when I said, “Not that you’re paying close attention to it or anything.”

Alright, here’s game story rewrite with quotes, unedited. I’m out. Been a hell of a long day and night, and I’ve got an early flight to D.C. Hang in there, denizens of the Braves/Man In Black.

By David O’Brien
dobrien@ajc.com

New York – If they had reeled off a sizzling two-week stretch like this earlier, the Braves could be closing in on a postseason berth.

But after blowing the control-their-own-destiny thing with a bad stretch of baseball a while back, all they can do is keep winning –- they beat the Mets 5-2 to finish a sweep Wednesday night — and hope it’s not too late.

Tim Hudson pitched six innings and Adam LaRoche had three hits and two RBIs before a sparse crowd at Citi Field, where the Braves got their 11th win in 13 games.

“We just keep rolling and see what happens,” manager Bobby Cox said after his Braves completed their second three-game series sweep of the Mets in nine days.

The Braves have won eight in a row against the Mets to finish 13-5 against them. It’s their longest winning streak against the Mets since an 11-gamer during 1982-1983.

If these Mets weren’t terrible, that’d be cause for celebration. But the Braves have only 10 games left and are still four behind wild-card leader Colorado after cutting the lead by a game Wednesday when the Rockies lost to San Diego.

“There’s absolutely nothing we can do but keep doing what we’re doing,” said LaRoche, whose double drove in the first run of a three-run second. “Something’s clicking right now, and we’re playing great baseball. Hopefully it’s not too late.”

Hudson (2-1) allowed nine hits (all singles) and two runs in his fifth start since returning from elbow surgery.

“I thought it was his best game [since returning],” Cox said of Hudson, who gave up mostly groundball hits. “He had his best sinker tonight.”

Hudson, who had two walks and three strikeouts, said he was was satisfied with his damage control on a night when the command was a bit off.

“I danced around and bobbed and weaved,” he said. “It wasn’t a dominant kind of night, but it was the kind of game pitchers like, where you work and fight and give your team a chance to win.”

Prado hurt in batting practice

Second baseman Martin Prado gave the Braves a scare when he was hit just below the left knee during batting practice by a line drive off the bat of Kelly Johnson. X-rays were negative and he was listed as day-to-day.

Chipper Jones also left with a stiff back in the seventh inning.

Prado was fielding grounders and Johnson was taking batting practice when he hit a ball that struck Prado. There were anxious moments for the Braves as teammates surrounded Prado on the infield dirt.

A few minutes later, he limped off the field. Prado was scratched and replaced by Johnson, who made an error on a bases-loaded grounder in the fourth.

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
11:40 pm

Anyone care to explain why you guys refer to Soriano as MFIKY?

Acronym for: Mother Fu*ka I Kill You

I’m personally not a fan and never use it, but it seems to have caught on with most everyone else.

uga-brave

September 23rd, 2009
11:40 pm

another reason to keep vazquez 222 k’s vs. 43 walks. no other starter is even close to that kind of ratio.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
11:42 pm

Well, COLORADO is losing 6-3 in the bottom of the eighth. Didn’t happen last night, but here’s hopin’.

Salamander

September 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm

another reason to keep vazquez 222 k’s vs. 43 walks. no other starter is even close to that kind of ratio.

Greinke: 229 SO to 47 BB (in 216 innings).

But that only solidifies your point by putting Vazquez in the same territory as a potential AL Cy Young Winner.

uga-brave

September 23rd, 2009
11:52 pm

salamander,

i was actually comparing him to our other starters, but thanks for the greinke comparison.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
11:53 pm

O.K. top of the ninth, still 6-3 FRIERS.

cwilliams4309

September 23rd, 2009
11:54 pm

I thought this was a sports blog where I could express my opinion about the braves not be spell checked or corrected about my grammar.Go BRAVES!!!

pinkygonzales

September 23rd, 2009
11:55 pm

Once more, with feeling…

We love the Atlanta Braves. There, we said it. We have loved them since Dale Murphy was patrolling the outfield for the never-say-die, perpetually-out-of-the-pennant-race-by-May teams of the mid-80s. And, thanks to the SuperStation, there are a lot of us Braves fans out there. We fell in love with Murphy and Bob Horner and Ken Oberkfell and stayed in love when those heroes gave way to David Justice, Ron Gant, Steve Avery, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. And starting in 1978 and again in 1991 when he came back from the front office as a general manager to become the manager of our Atlanta Braves, we fell in love with Bobby Cox.

Please read my Bobby Cox tribute.
http://acasualfan.com/

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
11:56 pm

I know we aren’t there yet, but the Cardinals will be pitching Wainright, Carpenter, and Lohse against the Rockies this weekend. Huge weekend coming up.

Chop Chop

September 23rd, 2009
11:56 pm

You thought wrong, dude.

You are entering a world of pain.

richbrave

September 23rd, 2009
11:58 pm

Here we go. Bottom of the ninth. PADRES still up 6-3.

fastasballs

September 23rd, 2009
11:59 pm

Braves still have a chance. It’s a slim one, but a loss tonight by the Rockies makes it four game with 10 to play. The Rockies play tomorrow & the Braves don’t so if they happen to drop tomorrow’s game it will be only 3 in the loss column.

I think the Braves almost have to run the table to get it done, but I said that with 23 to go & they have taken 11 of 13 since then. They play the Nats 7 more times, why can’t they? I know they have three games left with the pesky Marlins. I was hoping they would have dropped out by now, but thanks to Lidge they have hope just like the Braves.

Tiger Woods

September 23rd, 2009
11:59 pm

So Kelly tried to take Prado out huh? Figures. Too bad Kelly still sucks.

Will

September 24th, 2009
12:00 am

Come on Padres finish this one off!!

Bay Area Steve

September 24th, 2009
12:00 am

I hope we keep ‘em all, uga.

If last year didn’t teach us anything…

It is impossible for a team, in this era, to have too much pitching. Maybe Lowe, or KK, could go, but I ain’t givin’ ‘em away. I’d want real value.

Chop Chop

September 24th, 2009
12:01 am

uga-brave

September 24th, 2009
12:01 am

well espn just announced that bobby cox was voted as the 20th year all star team manager. that should give you guys something to chew on.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:01 am

So apparently ESPN viewers voted Bobby Cox the best manager of the past 20 years (the amount of time ESPN has had baseball). What do they know? :)

(Also, Chipper was voted as best 3rd baseman.)

richbrave

September 24th, 2009
12:01 am

cwilliams4309:

OMG, are the blog police out tonight? Plueeeze!!!! Concentrate. PADRES need to beat the ROCKIES.

Salamander

September 24th, 2009
12:04 am

Oh, well yeah – no other Braves starter is close to Vazquez’s SO-BB ratio.

I was supporting the idea of trading Vazquez for a big bat this off-season, but at this juncture, I’ve flip-flopped camps. It would be great if there was some other way to find the money/other trade chips to add a legit clean up hitter while keeping all of the current starters (can never have enough pitching depth).

Assuming the White Sox decline Dye’s option, would he be available for say $5-6 million on a one year deal? I know that he has put up dreadful numbers during the second half of this season, but he did hit 20 HR before the break, so I don’t think he’s washed up just yet.

Dye is probably not the legit bat the Braves crave, but if they can re-sign LaRoche, add Dye (or another cheap power hitter), and then if Heyward can have a mid-season impact… Nothing like the formidable line up of the Phils, but maybe enough to get the WC with solid starting pitching.

Chop Chop

September 24th, 2009
12:06 am

Vazquez turns 34 next season and is having a career year.

I smell a downward trend. His stock is a hell of a lot higher than Hudson’s right now. Sell high.

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:07 am

Ballgame! 4 out

BravesFanChris24

September 24th, 2009
12:08 am

Tiger Woods

September 24th, 2009
12:08 am

David..(Athens, AL)

September 24th, 2009
12:08 am

Rokies loss … 4 out

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:08 am

Alonso

September 24th, 2009
12:09 am

they have to face wainwright and carpenter.friday and saturday. ya never know…

Will

September 24th, 2009
12:09 am

Hell yeah!! I am negative guy when it comes to the braves but i still dont think this thing is over if the braves can do their part. Rockies got cards top 3 pitchers this wknd

richbrave

September 24th, 2009
12:09 am

Yeah, PADRES win 6-3!!!!

Tiger Woods

September 24th, 2009
12:09 am

Does anyone know if the Pads won??

Bay Area Steve

September 24th, 2009
12:09 am

I’ll never create a blog; I’m just too lazy.

But, if I did, I’d like to think that I wouldn’t promote it on another site, without permission. I realize that having a successful blog is all but impossible, that finding readers is difficult, that everybody and their grandma seems to write a blog nowadays. Nevertheless, pimping your blog elsewhere is a dick-move.

We have many great contributors here, some of whom write their own blogs. And, yet, they never mention it. Meanwhile, some cats who’ve never posted a worthwhile thing, feel it’s ok to repeatedly link to their stuff.

Hey, to each their own. But, I think it makes you a bigger douche-bag than Paul Lentz. And, that’s sayin’ something.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:10 am

Sweet. Let’s hope their collapse continues…..

ChurchMan

September 24th, 2009
12:10 am

Rockies lose tomorrow, Cardinals lay into them this weekend and the Braves take care of the Nats and we’ll have ourselves a really interesting final week of regular season baseball.

cwilliams4309

September 24th, 2009
12:11 am

You are rignt richbrave the main thing is seeing the Padres beat the Rockies so we can pull a game up on the Rockies,by the way did the Marlins lose tonight,I was watchin them play the Phils earlier and they were losin 2-0 when I stepped out.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:11 am

Btw, Lidge blew ANOTHER save tonight. If the Phillies are going to do anything in the playoffs, they need a lot of 5-6 runs leads….

Chop Chop

September 24th, 2009
12:11 am

If the Cubs lose to the Brewers tomorrow, the Cards will clinch their division. They may not care too much against the Rockies. I guess people should root for the Cubs.

richbrave

September 24th, 2009
12:13 am

GIANTS beating the D-BACKS in the seventh.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:13 am

Arizona within one……..:)

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:14 am

DBacks just scored to make it 2-3.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:14 am

Still the 6th, not the 7th (although it is the bottom with 2 outs).

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:14 am

Rockies’ remaining schedule:

1 vs. SDG
3 vs. STL
3 vs. MIL
3 @ LAD

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:15 am

NOW it’s the 7th….3 innings to play.

Chop Chop

September 24th, 2009
12:15 am

Let’s go Giants

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:16 am

I don’t know about that Chop Chop. The Cards are still battling for the best record with the Phillies & Dodgers so they are not going to lay down just yet. Homefield still means something & I doubt any of those three teams are going to stop playing hard just because they clinch their division.

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
12:16 am

Colorado’s lead down to four games….

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:16 am

I know we have to take care of the Nats first, but 3 vs FLA is looming HUGE

uga-brave

September 24th, 2009
12:17 am

chop chop i agree. however carpenter and wainright are battling for the cy young.

that being said if they clinch vs. the cubs i would be suprised if either pitch more then six innings vs. the rocks.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:18 am

Oh my gosh…..we are depending on Blaine Boyer to hold San Francisco this inning…..

richbrave

September 24th, 2009
12:18 am

My bad, bottom of the sixth, and the ‘ZONAS have put up a 2 spot, trail 3-2.

RHR

September 24th, 2009
12:19 am

I’m shocked that the Rockies lost. Even at 6-0 I fully expected them to come back and win it.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:19 am

Also, Wainwright is at 18 wins, and I’m pretty sure he wants to get to 20.

Chop Chop

September 24th, 2009
12:20 am

Right, uga.

I can’t see La Russa running his starting pitchers into the ground to help out wild-card contenders. I also imagine that Pujols, Holliday and Ludwick might get a day or two off in that series.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 24th, 2009
12:22 am

It’d really be something if the Braves catch Colorado. You could say a miracle. Only thing to worry about is if it gets real close then how will the team respond with pressure. Anyways, I’m feelin a good buzz and here’s to Bobby having a damn good 2010 season!

NO MORE BOBBY

September 24th, 2009
12:22 am

Lets say the Braves sneak into the playoffs and even get into the World Series.

Think Bobby will walk away and pull a Michael Jordan (Bulls era – go out on top) or pull a Michael Jordan (Wizards era – why did you come back)?

Will

September 24th, 2009
12:22 am

It doesnt matter what giants or marlins do, braves just need to keep winning and rockies have to lose. Its gonna take 9 or 10 in a row from braves, giants or marlins to have a shot to catch the rockies. More then likely none of the 3 are gonna do that, but i think the braves have the best shot of the 3 teams

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:23 am

They’re not going to stop playing hard, no. But they’re going to do things like rest their veterans every three days, not stretch out the starter’s pitch limit, don’t use relievers on back-to-back days, etc.

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:24 am

The Wild Card race could be a legit 4 team horse race the last week of the season. If the Rockies lose 2/3 to the Cards it will suck the Braves, Marlins & Giants right up to them if they take care of business of their own. The Braves play the Nats, Marlins play the Mets & the Giants take on the Cubs.

I would love to see it. There is only one division that isn’t decided yet so what a way to finish the season for those four teams. It would be great for the fans & ticket sales to boot.

Would Braves fans pack the Ted for the Marlin series if that scenario took place?

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:24 am

The biggest thing going against Colorado right now is that they only got 2 and 2/3 innings from their starter last night…..their bullpen is worn down. If their starters can’t go 7 every night (and I don’t think they can), they are going to lose some games in the coming days. The question is if they lose enough, and if the Braves keep on winning.

uga-brave

September 24th, 2009
12:24 am

i dont really think the giants come into the equation. gotta think 9-1 gets us at least a playoff.

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:26 am

It looks like Blaine Boyer has pretty much completely re-done his mechanics.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:26 am

Hey Blaine Boyer is imploding. Glad to see he hasn’t changed.

NO MORE BOBBY

September 24th, 2009
12:27 am

prattvillenolzfan – Wow! You have been a fan for a long time. You have been through both Bobby Cox duties with the Braves. I guess you are tired of him.

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
12:27 am

TnBrian: If Braves go 9-1 rest of the way and Rockies go 5-5, it’s a one-game playoff. If they go 10-0, Rockies could go 6-4 and Braves would play them in a one-game playoff.

If Braves go 8-2, it would only take a 5-5 finish by the Rockies for them to hold off the Braves. So yes, it’s imperative the Braves run the table or lose one game, max. And hope the Rockies keep muddling along.

It’s still an extreme long shot, but who’d have thought the Braves would win 11 of 13, including a road sweep of the Cards?

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:28 am

If the Braves go 9-1 they’ll be 91-71. The Rockies go 5-5 they’re 91-71. But with the difficulty of Colorado’s schedule, the relative ease of the Braves’ schedule, and a little luck, they’ve still got a shot, no?

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:29 am

It’s still fun watching the Braves play some meaningful games this late in the season. I know they just swept a AAA team, but they did what they had to. Way too many times have they lost those same games.

Even if they don’t make it this team is coming together, learning to win & overcoming not having Chipper at his best. That will loom large for next season.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:30 am

So you’re sayin’ there’s a chance!?

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:34 am

If the Braves stick to their rotation the entire way and end up playing a 1-game playoff, Vazquez would be the starter.

TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)

September 24th, 2009
12:34 am

DOB, I know for sure that I didn’t expect the offense to be this consistant through the winning streak. Really, nobody had any reason to in the first place. They were the definition of inconsistant most of the year. And no, that Cards series shocked a lot of poeple I’m sure, but pitching just dominated. I guess miracles can happen, but I’m not falling for it just yet.

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:36 am

What happened to our playoff odds blogger? I can’t recall who it was, but they always had the percentages up after games. I wonder where the Braves would stand right now for the WC. 10% or so? I would figure slightly more based on schedules, but what the hell do I know.

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:38 am

TnBrian, I’m starting to feel it, but it probably won’t happen or I may just be feeling the fresh jar of strawberry bootleg I opened earlier, lol.

Tiger Woods

September 24th, 2009
12:40 am

P.W.

U best slow down kid……

Joe D. loves Marilyn

September 24th, 2009
12:42 am

DOB…

Know you are busy…but over the weekend, could you post the up to date stats for our pitch-hitters in 2009…

I am sure it is not a very pretty sight…

BELIEVE…(and go Padres…on Thursday. Be nice to pick up a full game on the Rockies…in the loss column…with out ever playing ourselves…)

BELIEVE…again.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
12:44 am

Lannan is tough, so it’s good that Vazquez is going Friday. I think it’s real important to pick up that 1/2 game tommorrow (Go Pads). Sweeping any ML team is extremely difficult and less likely than the Rox going 5-5. But hey, anything can happen. The Rox could go 3-6 against 2 good (Cards, LA) and one mediocre team (Brewers).

Will

September 24th, 2009
12:44 am

Laroche has been the key, he gets a hit it seems like everytime up. Wren knows what he is doing and has proven that this year. Kotchman is still mediocre, but yet starting for the red sox, could you imagine laroches hot bat in the red sox lineup this 2nd half.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
12:45 am

According to ESPN…we doubled our chance of making the playoffs from 4% last night…to a whopping 8.2% tonight…

BELIEVE…

cwilliams4309

September 24th, 2009
12:46 am

Wow can’t believe that Lidge blew another game for them,the Phils got real pitching issues heading into the playoffs and they cant outslug teams in every game in the postseason.On another note its good to see the Rockies lost and with our beloved Braves recent hot streak theres a small chance that with more wins aganist the Nats and a sweep for the Rocks versus the Cards we could be in the middle of the wild card in the last week of the season.That would be great for Braves nation especially if we make the post season and with our pitching anything is possible including a championship.To Braves fans on this blog now signing off for the evening as well,hope for a Rockies loss tommorrow and hope everyone in the city is safe and ok after the recent events of the last couple of days.GO BRAVES

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
12:47 am

Will,

I never understood why Boston made that trade.

RC

September 24th, 2009
12:47 am

Prior to tonight’s games Braves “playoff odds” stood at 2.9%. That is the highest among Atl, SF, and Fla, so I have to assume that it DOES take schedule into account.

Chop Chop

September 24th, 2009
12:48 am

Jim Tracy should be fired if the Rockies miss the playoffs.

Will

September 24th, 2009
12:51 am

W blood cells,
Me neither man, it was like the red sox wanted nothing to do w Laroche. He has been fantastic for ATL since that trade and i think his numbers would have been as good or better in the AL in the 2nd half

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:52 am

I’m glad the Braves finally announced the plans for Cox next season. It was really dragging out & crazy rumors were flying so it’s best they went ahead & did it.

I can’t say I’m glad he’s going after 2010 or staying for next season. He can drive you nuts with his bullpen usage & sticking with guys wayyyyy too long, but he’s earned another season.

I do think Chipper should keep some of his comments to himself regarding what he’s going to do. He signed a contract & he should honor it regardless of who the manager is after next season. I understand if wants to hang them up based on performance problems, but if he rebounds next season he should play in 2011 regardless. I just think he’s made more than his share of pompous comments this season.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
12:52 am

Chop Chop,

I’ve always thought the Rox pitching was a little suspect. It’ll be interesting to see how Cook does Friday.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
12:56 am

Will,

I can only figure he may have crowded out Lowell or Youklis (chemistry disruption) and they wanted Kotchman for his late inning defense.

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
12:56 am

If LaRoche was still with the Red Sox & putting up the #’s he has with the Braves he would be batting higher than 7th. I still don’t understand why he stays buried down there when he has been the hottest hitter on the team since he arrived.

I guess next season he will bat clean up out of spring training & throughout his usual slow start. It would make perfect sense.

P. W. Hjort

September 24th, 2009
12:57 am

White Blood Cell -

I never understood why Boston made that [Kotchman-LaRoche] trade.

Well, it made a lot of sense for them, too. First of all, when the Red Sox acquired V-Mart, LaRoche was relegated to a bench role. Because of his defense, Casey is better suited for that role. The Red Sox have been horrible on D this year and adding a good defensive 1B for the bench can’t hurt. Also, Kotchman is still only 26 years old and hope still endures that he finds his power stroke. So, it’s a decent upside play for the Red Sox and they fill a need–good defensive 1B off of the bench–in the process. Makes sense for them. Even though they gave up the better player, they probably net the better contract.

Of course, it made sense for the Braves, too.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
12:58 am

“TnBrian: If Braves go 9-1 rest of the way and Rockies go 5-5, it’s a one-game playoff.” DOB

I realize that we, and more importantly, the Braves have to imagine that the season is “starting” right now. I also realize that with who the Braves are playing and how they have been playing in recent weeks, it’s not out of the question for them to roll up 8 or 9 victories in the next 10 games. Hell, with our starting staff, and who we’re playing, running the table shouldn’t be out of the question.

But what amazes me, is to fathom that if the Braves would go 9-1 in their last 10, that would mean that they finished the season 20-3.

Pretty “2007″ Rockies, if you ask me. Do I expect it? Oddly enough, I do expect them to win 7-9 games (winning 7 of 10 would still mean they went 18-5 down to close the season – NOTHING to be ashamed of, and hopefully a glimpse of what this team might be able to do from the get go in 2010), I just don’t see the Rockies losing enough for it to matter, even though they play the Dodgers and Cardinals in 6 of those games.

Hey, it’s baseball. Stranger things have happened. But even the griping person that I am, can’t find anything to complain about (on the field) right now. Team is playing how we thought they could in the spring and last winter. I’m impressed and proud that they haven’t caved. Yet bummed, because if we miss out on October by 1-3 games, it’s going to make those few games we had in the bag, stand out even more (Phillies in game 3 of the season, Rockies before the AS break, Hanson’s outing when Soriano blew it, KJ dropping that pop up ….. oh wait…. that was last year. Never mind), you get the picture.

But in the end, even if they lose out (not going to happen), they already have an 11 game improvement on last year’s squad, and things should only get better, imo.

Whether they get in or not, it’s been an entertaining season, and that’s really all I ask for. But being the guy that is ready for somebody new, THIS is when Cox is at his best. He’ll keep these guys loose and ready play. It’s just too bad he can’t motivate a little better early in the year.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
12:59 am

fastballs,

It kind of made sense to me tonight (LaRoche @ 7th). Bobby may figue he has two cleanup hitters so he spaces them in the order accordingly.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
12:59 am

Also, our run differential…of runs scored v. runs allowed…is once again better than the Rockies.

Braves…..+ 87
Rockies…+ 84

Now look at the locks for the playoffs…for sure…???

Dodgers……+ 178…
Yankees…..+ 150…
Red Sox…..+ 140…
Phillies…….+ 114…
Cardinals….+ 95…..

One team or the other…

Tigers……….+ 7…
Twins……….+ 31…

On the Bubble…

Braves……+ 87…
Rockies….+ 84…
Giants……+ 32…
Marlins…..+ 5…..
Cubs……..+42…

Braves continue with the good pitching and timely htting…and their number will be + 100…or more. Another sure sign that we still have a shot at this thing. And, if the Rockies number falls below what it is currently of + 84…then our chances will look better and better…

Poor Cubs. Go help us out and beat up on the Giants this weekend…

BELIEVE…

NO MORE BOBBY

September 24th, 2009
1:01 am

So does this mean we get to have those $6 club level tickets again next season?

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:01 am

P.W. Hjort,

You are correct. I forgot about the acquisition of V-Mart. There really was no room for LaRoche and Kotchman made sense. Seems to have worked out well for both teams.

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:03 am

I am not complaining at all w laroche batting 6 or 7. First of all, its just working right now so dont mess with it and he always seems to have guys on in front of him to drive in. I am done nitpicking this team, the time for that is long gone, we just need to hope for a winning streak and rockies losses. we have all winter to nitpick

NO MORE BOBBY

September 24th, 2009
1:04 am

Goodnight everyone. Im going to dream about 2011 season.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
1:04 am

DOB…

Another question…?

Where did Adam LaRoche bat in the line-up when he played for the Braves…previously. And, do you think that this team would be better served if he was hitting no worse than…say…5th? (or should Bobby just keep it the way it is…does seem to be working fairly well…as of late?)

Thanks…

BELEIVE

fastasballs

September 24th, 2009
1:04 am

N8, That is the most positive thing I have ever seen you post, lol. I myself can’t gripe about anything right now. Even if they come up short I won’t mind because I was looking at 2010 before the season ever started. There was too many holes to fill, but Wren did a lot with what he had to work with so I can’t complain.

The starting staff will be very good next season & with some depth. More young ones on the way in the coming years so all should be well for next season & beyond.

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
1:06 am

MZ, just going back through and reading posts tonight, saw you mentioned the Big Star box set. Can’t wait to get that, it’s supposed to have some incredible live stuff and all the original CDs remastered for first time. You get it yet?

Haven’t heard about the new TP boxed set.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:06 am

Will,

Well said @ 1:03.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:07 am

Alex Chilton!

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:08 am

Johnny Schuerholz,
Honestly man not being rude at all, but if you watched the braves you should know Laroche used to bat 5th most of the time in his previous run in ATL. He is hot where he is right now in the lineup and i say dont move him

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
1:10 am

“If LaRoche was still with the Red Sox & putting up the #’s he has with the Braves he would be batting higher than 7th. I still don’t understand why he stays buried down there when he has been the hottest hitter on the team since he arrived.” fastasballs

Believe it or not, I’m going to stick up for Cox here. I have more issue with Chipper still being in the 3-hole, than where LaRoche is. For starters, I was one griping when we were not hitting against the Reds and Padres that LaRoche should have been hitting higher. Not because he is a cleanup or #3 hitter. But by default, he was the hottest hitter, and common sense states that if you hit a guy higher, he’ll get more AB’s. Nothing more, nothing less.

Same approach comes to mind with Chipper. He was one of the coolest hitters on the team, yet he was likely getting one more AB per game than Roachy. How many more wins since the trade do you think we would have if LaRoche had one more AB instead of the slumping Chipper? I’m gonna bet it might have made the difference in 3 or 4 games along the way.

Yet, for the past couple of weeks? Why fix it if it isn’t broken? Team’s been winning and scoring plenty of runs. I’d leave it too. Besides, as much as I like to 2nd guess Cox, Adam’s OPS is much higher throughout his career in the 6-8 spots in the order, than it is hitting 4th or 5th. Maybe he presses too much batting cleanup (though he did fine this year batting cleanup).

So, it can go either way. Maybe he’s having so much success because he’s NOT batting higher in the order. But to be honest with you, it appears he’s seeing the ball so damn well right now, that he could hit anywhere in the order and produce.

Did I just give Cox credit for a good decision? I guess it’s not the first time. Probably won’t be the last. Still want him to go though. LOL

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:15 am

Thank you White blood cells, i dont run into sane people very often on this blog. And N8, i totally agree w your post. I hate bobby cox, but laroche is working where he is at right now so there is no way in the world i am gonna nitpick that!

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
1:20 am

“N8, That is the most positive thing I have ever seen you post, lol. I myself can’t gripe about anything right now. Even if they come up short I won’t mind because I was looking at 2010 before the season ever started.” fastasballs

Thanks. I’m usually pretty positive over the winter and off-season. Call it new hope each year. I’m with you. I’ve been preaching 2010 since last winter. I’ll have some crow to eat if they make it in at the end here, and probably will eat some even if they don’t. Because even a month ago, I didn’t think they had it in them to show up in the end.

Still don’t think they’ll get in, but I appreciate the effort. Similar to the players “nothing to lose” attitude, I’ve kind of gone into that mode as well. I haven’t stopped wishing Bobby away, but anybody that isn’t new to the blog, knows that’s not a new stance for me. But since for two weeks I figured the good play fell into the “too little too late” category, I’ve stopped taking each game so seriously. Not sure why I don’t do that starting April 1st? But I knew this team was close this year (I think DOB even picked them to miss the wildcard by 1 game in his pre-season predictions), so earlier this year when they choked games off, I just had a gut feeling those games would come back to haunt their chances.

It’s not like the 90’s, when you knew you’d look at the standings in mid-September and they’d have a 15 game lead. While everybody and their mother was crying that it was early, and they’ll straighten it out, or don’t start nitpicking in April or May, I knew those games would hurt, and they do.

I say it every year. It’s NEVER too early to worry about the team. Bobby likes to get a “feel” for hist team after May is done. Really? 1/3 of the season gone before he starts making some changes that might help increase the chance of winning? I’m not looking for somebody to be benched on April 5th because they had a bad opening series. But waiting two months is too long when your roster isn’t littered with all-stars.

Anyhow. In the end, this has been a good season. Still has a chance to be great. But like I preached last winter, 2010 is where the real magic is going to start over again. I can’t wait. Can’t wait to see how Wren re-tools. In the mean time, I’m gonna root like everybody else and see what happens in the next 10 games.

RC

September 24th, 2009
1:20 am

Giants win. So looks like everyone gained a little on the Rockies tonight.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:25 am

Will,

I’m a Cox fan and was pleased (kind of) that he decided to come back to what will be a season of great expectation in Atlanta. I was just a little alarmed to see Norton pinch hit tonight. Then Boog made reference to the fact Norton is from Oklahoma. Wasn’t Bobby born in Oklahoma? Oh well, I’m not sure about the expectations for next year.

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:28 am

N8,
Very well put again, i couldnt have stated my feelings better then you did cause i totally agree. I know you dont like cox i have seen your posts on here for several years, i just quit coming back to this blog very often because i get chastised early on in the season every year by people saying “these games dont matter, blah blah blah” I just had to give you props your last post sums up the braves and lots of people on this blog perfectly.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:28 am

N8,

Funny how my blog followed up your blog.

Joe (Ted Turner's worst mistake...besides Jane Fonda) Torre

September 24th, 2009
1:34 am

While the task at hand is daunting…to say the least. However, we are still alive as well for the National League…EAST???

Phillies have to play a decent Brewers team this weekend for 4 games…and also have their last 3 games with a good Marlins team. In between they have 4 with the lowly Astros…in Philly. Ugh…

Their magic number to win the division is now down to 5. We are now down 7 in the loss column…and the Phillies have 11 games to go…with the last seven in Philly.

Stranger things have happened…right???

It is not over…that is for sure…

BELIEVE…

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:34 am

W blood cells,
Cox broke me in 99 world series when he didnt go get a coming off the flu tom glavine late in the game against chuck knoblauch. I have had a disdain for him ever since. I respect the guy greatly and the braves have done so much with him as manager, but he just tightens up in late game decision making and always has. To his credit at least norton wasnt he first pinch hitter off the bench tonight

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:37 am

Will,

I hear ya man. I think, and this is harsh, that Bobby kind of quit on this team. I think he decided they were not that good and managed accordingly. I think they won alot of games this year in spite of him.

Lou Vales

September 24th, 2009
1:38 am

Can’t believe I’m writing(and believing) this. I really do see a crack for the Braves and even the Marlins(dependent on how seriously Phillies take final 3 games before the Playoffs. I can see the Braves going 9-1(Hell, I can see them going 10-0), I can see the Marlins going MAYBE 8-2 at the best, and I can see the Rockies going 5-5. The Nats can get you back into a race. I will not begrudge the Braves their chance to feast, the marlins had their chances and squndered them against Washington–Their fault.

i really can’t stand Jeremy Hermida. IF he has any kind of a year the Marlins are in the Playoffs, BUT the Poodle(worst corner outfielder since Junior Felix) has had a year that produced 20 more RBI’s than Bonafacio. Sickening!!!! IF this guy gets asniff next year it will demonstrate the deterioration of MLB talent level. RUFF RUFF!!

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
1:43 am

Here’s my “dream lineup” for some point next season. I’m sure I’ll get blasted for it, but with the right additions, I think it works.

In a perfect world, I would like Schafer to return to CF and bat leadoff. But for starters, with his surgery, I don’t think he starts the season on the team, and even if he does, I doubt he bats leadoff.

1. McLouth-CF (while not a prototypical leadoff hitter, he’s the best option with his speed, imo – he could also be trade bait)

2. Chipper-3B (his power is down, but if healthy he can provide stability and occasional run-producing hits from the 2-hole – along with being a PERFECT hit and run guy with McLouth or other leadoff hitter)

3. Escobar-SS (This spot in the order is made for him, just like it was for Chipper when he was 24 in 1995 – change is inevitable and this will shift into Escobar’s team until Heyward has a couple of years under his belt).

4. ??????? (This spot needs to be a RH power hitting LF – plain and simple. It’s a must)

5. McCann-C (It’s his best spot in the lineup, and he shouldn’t be forced to hit anywhere else because of being the “best option”. Find a cleanup hitter Wren).

6. LaRoche-1B (his slow start might be a problem, but his defense is worth the gamble, and his hot 2nd halves are a given. Could flip him to 7th in the order early in the year if struggling).

7. Prado-2B (Perhaps Prado is trade bait, and somebody under the radar will be at 2B next year. But all I know, is that it better not be KJ. Prado might not be the long-term answer, but this team can win NOW with him until a better option becomes available).

8. Heyward-RF (If they choose to start the season with him, this is where he should be. But ultimately, the 3-hole is where he will end up. If they don’t start the season with him on the roster, than a platoon of Diaz and another LH hitter – or just let Diaz play will suffice until Heyward is up).

Schafer is kind of the wild card in all of this. If he plays winterball, and has a hot spring and is a part of the future, then I see McLouth getting traded and Schafer hitting leadoff. But since LF is likely the spot to add RH power, the outfield cannot consist of Schafer, Heyward and McLouth. That is unless they don’t retain LaRoche and find a RH hitting 1B. But Freeman is LH as well.

Something has to be done to balance the lineup out a bit, imo.

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:43 am

WBC,
I not sure if he quit on them, but they won a lot of games in spite of his bullheaded management style. If chipper jones is cold you gotta keep going back to him, but not greg freaking norton in late game situations!! He went to mike gonzalez about 5 too many times in the 8th this year too. I am still pumped for the last 10 days, but deep down i think this team blew one too many games they shouldnt have this season.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
1:44 am

Will…

No worries…

I just forgot where LaRoche batted. Wasn’t sure if it was 5th or not…and I agree…working well right where he is right now…my only worries are with the bullpen and whomever we use as a pinch hitter!!!
(Braves have only converted 37 of 59 save opportunities…62.7%. Ugh. And how bad is our BA for our pitch hitters, collectively in 2009? Can’t be very good…)

And I have been pulling for the Braves for over 40 + years…and I have seen quite a lot. Some good…mostly bad…though.

However, nothing will ever match that feeling…of the Braves teams from the early ’90’s. It was truly magical.

Can that magic be put back in the bottle one more time…for 2009???

BELIEVE…

nolie

September 24th, 2009
1:45 am

(Lou V)

a lot of guys on this board are counting on you getting Fredi fired this coming year so he can manage the Braves in 2011. Go getem dude.

Johninnc

September 24th, 2009
1:46 am

btw if the braves Giants and Rockies all end in tie will they play 3 playoff game? Braves against Giants and Rockies and where will this game be played at ?

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:48 am

Will,

I just couldn’t figure it out this year. Not that I’ve ever been able to do that.

N8,

Why would anybody blast that lineup. I think Shafer was hurt all but one week. He’s much better than he showed and Heyward will be a stud.

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:52 am

I just cant believe the braves are “only” 4 games out at this point with basically nobody between them and the rockies. I just have a feeling they are gonna make a move and i hope that blown save last game before the all star break at col doesnt come back to haunt

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:53 am

I think Buster Olney is a Braves hater.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
1:53 am

If the Braves can unload some salary (perhaps Derek Lowe’s contract?), I’d go after Matt Holliday as hard as they went after Lowe – but do it EARLY in free agency. He’s a perfect fit for 3-4 years.

It would free them up to trade either McLouth or Schafer. Mclouth is signed to a friendly contract, Schafer has all the upside.

Even when with Oakland, Hollidays’ stats while not great would have been a major upgrade over what Jeff was giving us at the time. But what he’s done with St. Louis is going to make him a ton of money. If he has a big post-season, think Carlos Beltran kind of money. He’s 29 years old.

Just not sure, he’d want to play in Atlanta. But if I’m Wren, I look into making it happen.

As much as I’d like to keep both Hudson and Vazquez, I’m going to stand by my stance that the balance is more neccesary. A team with one of Vazquez or Hudson, and Holliday batting cleanup for 162 games, wins more games and makes the playoffs (assuming the rest of the roster stays healthy), compared to a team with no legit cleanup hitter and both Hudson and Vazquez in there.

With Hanson, JJJ, KK Lowe and one of those two, along with Minor around the corner, our pitching rotation is set. Fix the lineup Wren.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
1:54 am

“Why would anybody blast that lineup.” White Blood Cells

It’s blasphomy to remotely suggest that Chipper gets moved out of the 3-hole. I expect a tar and feathering party at any moment. :-)

Will

September 24th, 2009
1:56 am

Buster Olney just speaks facts and we speak hope!!!

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:57 am

N8,

Nice thought (Holiday), but the Yankees are losing alot of payroll (Damon, Matsui). He will be wearing pisstripes next year. After all, it’s gotten to the point were Boras can olnly deal with 3 or 4 teams.

Johninnc

September 24th, 2009
1:58 am

You know what kind of sad had Soriano not blow the save against Marlins and dodgers would be just 2games out.With Said with the way the braves play the last few years we really got to be happy with how they have done this year.And believe it or not i think we can make the playoff

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
1:59 am

N8,

Yeah, that was the only problem, but I do believe in those players.

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:00 am

Yeah i dont even want Holiday in ATL. Outside of coors field he was average in oakland and only has seen a resurgence coupled with Albert pujols in STL and sadly there is no pujols in a braves uniform.

White Blood Cells

September 24th, 2009
2:01 am

Will,

You’re probably right. I just can’t stand it that he likes the Phillies.

A FAN

September 24th, 2009
2:02 am

braves own tie breaker over Colorado but san fran owns it over both

Johninnc

September 24th, 2009
2:03 am

Thanks alt A FAN

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:10 am

I hate phillies too, but braves were always playing for the wild card this year. They cant get Ryan Howard out.

Johninnc

September 24th, 2009
2:10 am

So Braves will host Colorado then play SF if they beat Colorado right?

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
2:11 am

Johninnc…

And what about that game against Houston(9/9/2009…loss…2 – 1)…when Hanson was unreal for 8 innings and Bobby pulled him for Soriano…and he blew the game. Another loss snatched from the jaws of victory!

However, Soriano has converted 26 out of 30 opportunities. 87% is pretty good. Gonzo has blown 7 of 17…for a 58.8% save ratio. That is not good. But, it is better than…

Kawakami…1 – 2
Moylan……..0 – 5
Medlen……..0 – 2
O’Flaherty….0 – 2
Campillo……0 – 1

Remember, guys…the games in April, May and June…count just as much as July, August & September…it is just these games are here…now!

BELIEVE…

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:13 am

Oh god all this talk of blown games just made me pour another drink!!!! I agree, but i just try not to think about them!!

Johninnc

September 24th, 2009
2:13 am

Sorry Johnny Schuerholz I got home late when the game was over so i forgot about that

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
2:16 am

Here’s a name to keep in mind. Michael Cuddyer of the Twins. Under contract in 2010 (8.5 million), with a 2011 option at 10.6 million (1 million dollar buyout).

With the Twins moving into new stadium next year, so they might not want to alienate fans by trading a fan favorite. But they’ve always got young talent coming up and with their total payroll being only 65 million this year, I don’t think they’ll want to pay Michael Cuddyer 1/8 of their total team salary in 2010 (assuming payroll doesn’t go up).

Certainly not a longterm fix. But with 29 HR and experience batting cleanup, he’s better than any option we have right now. Not sure what it would take to get him, or if he’s even available (everybody is available for the right price).

But that is the kind of trade that I see Wren doing.

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:17 am

Johnny S,
I like your post alot! Just dont dare come on here in May and tell these people those games matter as much as these do! I have been run off this blog many times for saying that april matters as much as september. There are some confused individuals on this blog and you are not one of them so i tip my cap to you!

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
2:27 am

Will, to me it was different in the 90’s. We KNEW those teams were good. We knew the track record of each guy. We knew that if Gant had a down stretch, Justice would carry it, if not him, than McGriff or Javy or Chipper. We knew if Smoltz started the year 2-10, he likely would finish the 2nd half by going 11-2.

So, in the mid-90’s when April and May started slow, nobody freaked out. You let the grind of the season play out, and at the end of the year we won the division by 10-20 games. Seemingly every year.

That isn’t the case anymore. These guys are young. Nobody knew how long Vazquez’s run would last. Nobody knew how long Prado could keep it up. At the same time, everybody just assumed that Chipper would eventually have chipper-like numbers.

Can’t assume anything with this bunch. I appreciate that Cox doesn’t pressure his guys in April with 100’s of games left. But there needs to be a greater sense of urgency from game 1 to game 162. There isn’t enough talent on this team to just assume it will all be alright.

They need to make it alright, and Cox needs to oversee that by playing the best 9 every night. Early in the year, I can’t say he did that. And here we sit. Because too many people with the power to actually do something about it, were too patient to actually do something about it.

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:32 am

N8,
I TOTALLY agree man. the 90’s were different thats why i always get pissed on here the last few years cause most people (DOB included) discuss the pennant race like the Braves are playing from ahead and they are not doing that anymore. People always say oh they just need 2 out of 3 when any sane person knows they need to sweep a series. The vibe of this blog for the last several years is a bunch of very diehard, knowledgeable braves fans, who for some resason forget they braves are trailing and not ahead anymore. It makes a big big difference in what you have to root for.

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:36 am

And by the way Justice always carried a down stretch. Glavine always got a win the day after a loss. And thats why game 6 in 1995 was a justice homer and a glavine gem that won the braves their only world series.

jed

September 24th, 2009
2:36 am

the cox situation was resolved perfectly. as much as i’ve disagreed with him this year, who wouldnt want to see him back for a final tour?

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:40 am

Jed,
I have called for bobby’s head for 5 years now, but i have to admit he deserves a final tour and that really pains me to say that, but he does.

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
2:45 am

Agreed Will. Jed, as odd as it may sound, I’m actually OK with it as well. This team showed what it can do despite some of his poor choices, when the talent on the field is up to the challenge.

Provided Wren fixes the cleanup spot, and one of Heyward or Schafer contributes next year, and the closer situation isn’t a gaping hole, even Cox will have a hard time screwing it up.

I’ve been the guy stating all the “3 HOF pitchers” in the rotation in the 90’s as the cause for Cox’s success as manager. Well I’m not foolish enough to think that we currently have 3 HOF pitchers in our rotation. BUT…. if Hudson and Vazquez are both retained, we do have 4 legitimate guys that are almost as good as those 3 were most years, and the rotation would be rounded out with Lowe or KK. Most managers could and should win more often than not with that kind of rotation.

I think JJJ is a Cy Young award winner waiting to happen. Only a matter of time before Hanson is a perenniel candidate for that award, and Vazquez has his name in the mix (not going to win it – but he’s had that kind of year), and Hudson is a proven 1 or 2 when healthy. Lowe can dominate on any given night, and KK pitched REALLY well after his inconsistent start.

We might not have 3 past Cy Young award winners on this rotation like was the case after 1996 when Smoltz won it. But we’ve got a rotation like that 1998 won, were with some offensive help, we could have 5 guys win 15-20 games. This rotation is that good.

So yeah. Even though I can’t wait for change at the top. This rotation should carry us next year… even with Bobby. :-)

N8 (is it 2011 yet?)

September 24th, 2009
2:55 am

I think KK could have done what Hudson’s done down the stretch, so it’s a wash. But I think it’s clear now, how much impact adding Hanson to the rotation instead of Buddy, Jo Jo, Morton, etc… early in the year. When the 15 million dollar man, Derek Lowe is the “worst” option in your rotation, things are good. Our starters give us confidence that we CAN win on any given night. Now it’s up to Wren and the offense to assure that we DO win on most nights, as to not waste the good efforts our starters usually give us.

With Bobby leaving after next year. I wonder what the odds are of Smoltz coming back in some sort of limited role as 5th starter/long reliever for Bobby’s last stand. Maybe even part of a closer by committe with Moylan? Since the trade to the Cards, he has 32 K and only 4 BB in 28 IP, with a 3.21 ERA. If he chooses to pitch next year, I think he could be an asset.

If Wren and Bobby are comfortable with Medlen and Smoltz sharing the 5th starter spot. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Wren save some money and trade both Hudson and Vazquez, leaving Hanson, JJJ, KK and Lowe to eat the innings. Freeing up money elsewhere.

Not a request or a demand, just thinking outloud. Who knows? Maybe that bridge is burned for good.

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:56 am

N8,
Yep this team is gonna be damn good next year even with bobby. I cant wait for it too

Will

September 24th, 2009
2:59 am

I dont think Smoltz would ever come back here. I loved smoltz and was irritated with how they let him go but i dont think he will ever come back under any circumstances.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
3:17 am

Wouldn’t it be nice to finish 13 – 0…just like the Braves started the season under Joe Torre back in 1982!

With 3 under our belt…countdown now begins…10,9, 8, etc…

And how about this? Regarding each starter…as they should get 2 more chance for w’s…

How about Jair Jurrjens…15 – 10…with a sub 2.65 ERA…for Cy Young?
How about Tommy Hanson…12 – 4…with a sub 2.80 ERA…for Rookie of the Year?
How about Javier Vazquez…16 – 9…with a sub 2.85 ERA…???
How about Tim Hudson…4 – 1…with a sub 3.00 ERA…after coming back from TJ surgery???
How about Derek Lowe…17 – 9…with a …never mind…don’t ask…nice win total…though.
(Derek, thank the offense for all that run support…when you pitch for some ungodly reason. That would be over $882K per win!!!)

BELIEVE…

Coach D

September 24th, 2009
3:21 am

Dave…

So, reading between the lines. The following is a Cliff-notes version of your blog:
“I heard about it, realized s— sometimes happens and knew that I’m covering this team for 8 more months, at least. Let me see if there is any other incident, then I’ll report it.”
GREAT blog nonetheless!

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
3:30 am

Coach D: No, sorry. Apparently I didn’t explain it in a way that you could grasp. Probably my fault.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
3:46 am

DOB…

Lat night…and long day for you. Great that you were able to get some quotes from players regarding Bobby Cox. Like I said earlier. they love playing for the guy. Too bad that he did not get another WS ring or 2, 3, etc…not all his fault…Lonnie Smith, Charlie Liebrandt, Jeff Reardon, Greg McMichael, Brad Clontz, Mark Wohlers, John Rocker, Mike Remlinger…did him no favors and the general lack of timely hitting…we lost a lot of 1 run games…

Good night…

BELIEVE

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
3:49 am

That would be late…not lat…

Long day…

Bobby's Cox

September 24th, 2009
5:09 am

I’ve posted a few times if the Braves could get their lead down to 3 by mid week this week, they’d have a good shot based on the Pads schedule.

Well, it’s down to 4, and that ain’t bad. With every team gaining on the Rocks, maybe they are feeling some pressure. When they faced LA in COL last month when they got the Dodgers division lead down to 2 or 3, they totally choked. Maybe that’s a team that can’t handle pressure. Lets hope so.

Friday will be a huge game for us. Lannan does well against this team. We beat him & I like our chances for a sweep in Washington.

ChurchMan

September 24th, 2009
5:23 am

If the Braves don’t play playoff like games against the Marlins next week, I’ll have to think that something is wrong with them.

They should play each of those 3 games like it’s a one game playoff to see who gets in and who goes home.

*But of course up first is the pesky Nats. The last time the Braves played them at home they swept a short two game series doing what they needed to do: getting good pitching from Hanson and Lowe and out scoring them 14-3, which is exactly what they’ll need this go round (pitching will be Vazy, Hanson, and DLowe).

It’s out there but they need to do a bit more fightin’ in order to get it.

Bobby's Cox

September 24th, 2009
5:27 am

The Dodgers may be stuck with an interesting choice in the final weekend. If COL is a game up on the Braves, and the Dodgers are in position to have the best record, do they purposely tank games to have COL win the wild card so they can face the Cards or PHI instead of Atlanta? The Braves have played LA well this year, and LA has beat up on COL pretty good, but maybe LA doesn’t want to face the team that eliminated them last year in the 1st round in a 5 game series and would rather play the Braves. It will be interesting to see the matchup scenarios and how it affects that LA/COL series if it comes to that, but man, I like the Braves pitching against any of those teams….if only we can get in.

Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}

September 24th, 2009
6:24 am

All the Braves have to do to get in the postseason is “sizzle.”

BUT The Braves had to “sizzle” just to be in this spot…

So… I don’t know, I’m still hopeful given the Rockies tough schedule….

Couch Tater

September 24th, 2009
7:02 am

Bay Area Steve @ 12:09,

I totally agree with your Emily post. AJC Advertising Dept. is linked at the bottom of the page.

Johnny Schuerholz

September 24th, 2009
7:10 am

For those who like to take a little dig against the other team…go to the Denver Post website…register…and post on Woody Paige’s gospel to all things wonderful in Denver. The guy is a loudmouth…know-it-all…who loves to hear himself talk (ESPN…)

He has already crowned the Rockies…2009 Wild Card recipient…

I say bull hockey…

BELIEVE…

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
7:30 am

Bay Area Steve: I tend to agree with your assessment of blog self-promoters, though I usually let it go unless I’ve had no sleep and have an early morning flight (he says, slurping coffee while typing away in the Delta Shuttle terminal at LaGuardia, an hour before flight to D.C. Hmm…)

avocado

September 24th, 2009
7:37 am

I’ve looked through the blog and can’t find where any reporter got a quote on the Cox story
from Yunel Escobar….probably just a space limitation…

NCBravesFan

September 24th, 2009
7:40 am

Bobby’s Cox @ 5:09 am … I do think the race is going to tighten a bit from here between the Rox and the Braves, but another big question to consider comes back to the Braves. If the Rockies do happen to lose a few down the stretch, how will the Braves respond to the pressure that the opportunity presents them?

Like the Rox folded a few weeks ago when presented an opportunity, the Braves have also had a few opportunities to get back into the division & WC races over the past couple of months … only to fall back.

To me, you’ve hit the key if the race tightens – how will each team respond to the pressure?

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
7:40 am

Can’t believe I’m writing(and believing) this. I really do see a crack for the Braves and even the Marlins(dependent on how seriously Phillies take final 3 games before the Playoffs. I can see the Braves going 9-1(Hell, I can see them going 10-0), I can see the Marlins going MAYBE 8-2 at the best, and I can see the Rockies going 5-5. — Lou Vales

I can’t believe you’re writing it, either, considering a week or so ago you excoriated me, several times in fact, for suggesting the Braves still had a slim chance to reach the postseason.

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
7:44 am

I’ve looked through the blog and can’t find where any reporter got a quote on the Cox story
from Yunel Escobar….probably just a space limitation…
– Acocado

Actually, it was the lack of an immediately available translator. I specifically wanted to get a comment from Yunel, who was seated in the clubhouse at his locker for a while. But I had about 15 minutes to get my player quotes and get upstairs. Kawakami’s translator was seated next to him, hence I have a quote from him.

David O'Brien

September 24th, 2009
7:47 am

Johnny Schuerholz: Where does ESPN list the playoff odds? I haven’t looked for that, but I’d be interested to see if they go to 10 percent should Colorado lose again today.

One in 10, while long odds, isn’t in the “miracle” category. I mean, it’s a lot more feasible than 1-in-50, right, which is about where Braves odds were a few days ago, if I remember correctly what someone referenced here.

brent a.

September 24th, 2009
7:59 am

Good morning!

Four games back . . . wow!

brent a.

September 24th, 2009
8:00 am

DOB,

WC odds are right here . . .

http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings

Buttermaker

September 24th, 2009
8:00 am

I better stop cleaning pools and submit my resume. Two hands Engelberg!!

brent a.

September 24th, 2009
8:01 am

sorry, meant to say “play-off” odds. I’m sure that’s a combo of division + WC

Mid Town Joe

September 24th, 2009
8:02 am

Just saw the Lidge collapse on Sports Center. Oh my!

brent a.

September 24th, 2009
8:04 am

Lou Vales must’ve ventured outside of this blog, and seen that other media members/beat writers, discussing teams in similar situations (see: Giants, Marlins), made similar comments about those teams play-off chances, as DOB did about the Braves.

I’m sure he’ll be faxing his apology note over to DOB pronto!

brent a.

September 24th, 2009
8:11 am

Buster doesn’t like the Braves, I don’t believe P Gammons realizes that we exist, but Jayson Stark seems to love the Braves (and Rosenthal, different network, seems to take an interest in the Braves, as well).

As far as Holliday, he did have a resurgence in STL, but, he is hitting after Pujols, not before him. I know, Pujols impact to the entire line-up is probably similar (if not more so) to Chipper’s impact on the Braves’ line-up these last few years, prior to this one. But, it’s not as if he has Pujols providing him protection from the on-deck circle. In fact, it’s the other way around.

This is not me advocating a Holliday acquisition, it’s simply me defending his performance in St. Louis, and not giving all the credit for his resurgence to Pujols.

Mid Town Joe

September 24th, 2009
8:12 am

Here we go again. Wheat toast, fake butter, and decaf coffee.

CB

September 24th, 2009
8:31 am

A lot of kind words being said about Bobby Cox the last 24 hours. Who are we to believe? The wise counsel of our blog experts-you know who you are- or the thousands of players,managers and others who spoke out for Bobby. Hey, we live in an instant gratification world. If you don’t have a brain cell that allows you to have any memories of the past,you hate and rant for a new manager. Thanks Bobby, for all you have done and live long.

Mid Town Joe

September 24th, 2009
8:39 am

Due to the contract extension for BC, I suspect it will be our sworn duty as bloggers to find the next manager for the Braves.

bravesgrl4life

September 24th, 2009
8:42 am

Good morning, blog/Braves fans. It is a good morning to be a Braves fan, isn’t it. Our boys won last night, for one thing, for another, there is a small glimmer of hope that we might, just might, sneak into the postseason.

I heard Leo Mazzone on the Regular Guys this morning. Just wondering what all you experts think of him coming in as manager. God knows he knows how to manage a bullpen.

All that said, and as much as I excoriated Bobby on here after he pulled Tommy in Houston, I am glad he’ll be back for the sunset season. I hope and believe that our guys can take him out on a win.

Have a great day, everyone!

Mid Town Joe

September 24th, 2009
8:54 am

Mid Town Joe

September 24th, 2009
8:58 am

Should the Braves beat the Nats, they will be the 1st team to 100 losses this season.

DAP

September 24th, 2009
9:09 am

i know im not the only one, but as much as i try, i cant stop thinking about those handful of games we should have won that would put us in a very good position. this is why i could never be baseball player, because its hard for me to forget stuff like that.

CB

September 24th, 2009
9:15 am

DAP,did you think of all the games we probably shouldn’t have won? The game is what it is-162 games of ebb and flow and most players understand that.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
9:15 am

Buster Olney hates the Braves? Seriously, I’ve got to stick up for allow Vermonter from two miles down the road. The Dude constantly is one of the Braves’ biggest supporters in the ranks of non-Atlanta Journalists. He consistently predicts good things for the Braves (most of the time our disaffected masses disagree with his more positive assessments), so I can’t figure where all this is coming from.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
9:16 am

sorry-should have read-a fellow Vermonter.

DAP

September 24th, 2009
9:20 am

CB, no i dont think about those. they just go in the ol’ noggin’ as dubyas.

Frank Robinson (Rockmart)

September 24th, 2009
9:21 am

McFann,
Noah over at MLB.com is at it again at 1:15. Someon should really advise him to stop embarrassing himself this way.

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6818597&c_id=phi

18 Wheels of Love

September 24th, 2009
9:24 am

4 games back

6 games against the Nats and 3 against the Marlins

Rockies get St. Louis, Milwaukee and LA.

It could happen. Not likely, but it could happen.

dmack2027

September 24th, 2009
9:26 am

And….

Rockies get Carpenter on Friday and then Wainwright on Saturday. Certainly tough matchups.

Braves just need to not let up against the Nationals.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
9:29 am

DAP-It doesn’t matter how good or bad a season any team puts up – There will always be games you should have won that you didn’t and those you won that you probably shouldn’t have . That’s baseball and is pretty much why they play the games.

In all likelihood, this just wasn’t our season. A slow start and poor performances from key players sunk the ship and pretty well did it early. It’s really easy to point to specific games that held us back, but like last year and Kelly’s Drop Up, those games are just convenient for us to point to when we analyze (sometimes WAY too much) a season’s results. Rarely are those couple of games truly the reason we finished where we did.

I prefer to look at this season as one where the Braves were six games under .500 early. They were pretty much doomed if they continued in that vein. Yet our front office went out and made changes (that they claimed they would). Some players like Prado and Diaz stepped up and raised the level of their play. Our pitching was excellent for the first time in several years and despite players like Chipper and Mac struggling down the stretch, they raised their overall level of play and came damned close( unless the improbable happens) to the playoffs.

Of course we always want to make the playoffs and to go as far into the post season as possible, but think how much better this season ended than it looked like it would on JUne 28. I’m damned pleased with the progress I’ve seen and have great hope that in 2010 we return to the playoffs. Not only return, but progress quite a ways into them..

Did any of us (besides KC) truly believe we were destined for more than this when we viewed the season from the front end? Deep inside, most of us knew we were close but not quite there. Next year? We WILL be there.

John

September 24th, 2009
9:38 am

Can i just say that I wish Tracy had never been hired by the Rockies??? If he had not been hired then they would not have turned things around like they did and we would be TIED for the wild card right now! UGHHHHHHHHHHHHh I HATE how baseball can work some times!

Shaun

September 24th, 2009
9:42 am

i know im not the only one, but as much as i try, i cant stop thinking about those handful of games we should have won that would put us in a very good position. this is why i could never be baseball player, because its hard for me to forget stuff like that.

I have an easy solution to get you over this: Think about the handful of games the Braves should have lost.

Another way to look at things: Baseball Prospectus projected 87 wins for the Braves before the start of the season. They aren’t going to be far off. “On paper” they are basically the team that they should be.

Soph

September 24th, 2009
9:44 am

McFann Ô

September 24th, 2009
9:44 am

Neight 5. McCann-C (It’s his best spot in the lineup, and he shouldn’t be forced to hit anywhere else because of being the “best option”. Find a cleanup hitter Wren).

AMEN!!!!

Frank Robinson

:lol: I figured he did it for other teams, too…just kept forgetting to find out. I still wonder what the heck that means…

Soph

September 24th, 2009
9:45 am

Go get that tootsie frootsie ice cream!

Jersey Gil

September 24th, 2009
9:47 am

Lew….Your 9:29 Post was excelent, that the way i see this season..Now that we see how this Kid Hanson progress we know the Future of this team is Bright.

Shaun

September 24th, 2009
9:48 am

Lew, good analysis. I think even the most pessimistic Braves fan has to like where the organization is headed next season, if they look at things objectively. They are coming off a solid season where they will either just miss the playoffs or pull off a miracle comeback, they got rid of some dead weight in the lineup (Francoeur and Schafer), they rebuilt the pitching staff around solid innings-eaters, the relievers have held up pretty well and perhaps most exciting of all the Braves have one of the best under-21 prospects in the history of the game.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
9:49 am

Hey Gil-How have you been? Is your wife well? Bet she’s thrilled with the Phillies looking like they’ll take their third Division Title in a row.

RHR

September 24th, 2009
9:51 am

The Rockies are considering themselves in the post season, as they should be I suppose. Pondering who their starters will be, etc. Man I wish our boys could rain on that parade but there’s always next year!

RC

September 24th, 2009
9:51 am

Lew, I agree with everyone else that your post was excellent. I especially appreciate you pointing out the job the front office has done this year to address issues, both in the offseason and during the season. There were a few controversial decisions, and a few deals that never materialized, but I hope now people can recognize just how diligent and hard working our front office has been this year. Without the key moves they made, the future would be a lot less bright for the Braves.

Shaun

September 24th, 2009
9:52 am

Neyer on Bobby Cox’s legacy:

Upon the news that Bobby Cox will retire after next season, I was moved to compare him to all the other managers.

Conclusion? Cox’s place in history is essentially set. He currently ranks fourth in wins, and won’t catch Tony La Russa or be caught by Joe Torre (probably). In fact, Cox’s spot should be safe for a long, long time unless Joe Girardi spends the next few decades managing the Yankees.

Cox currently owns the record with 15 postseason appearances, but Torre will tie him this fall and La Russa will be just two behind. Speaking of La Russa, he and Cox are the only current managers who have won more than two league championships; each boasts five.

Really, the only thing missing from Cox’s resumè is World Championships (plural). He’s won just one of them, fewer than non-Hall of Famers Danny Murtaugh, Billy Martin, Tom Kelly, Ralph Houk, and Cito Gaston.

Which won’t keep Cox out of the Hall of Fame. It’s a lot harder to win the World Series than it used to be, and winning just one World Series certainly didn’t keep Earl Weaver out of the Coop.

Next year, let’s be sure and appreciate Cox as his career finally winds down. And let’s hope he adds a few more ejections to his lifetime record, just for old times’ sake.

McFann Ô

September 24th, 2009
9:52 am

Soph Go get that tootsie frootsie ice cream!

Hmm! Hopefully we’ll get some tomorrow!

Cheer up. :(

Eh…I’m getting there. Still happy they swept the Mets, but :roll: …BMac has 13 multi-K games this year (if I counted correctly), and 3 3-K games. And he didn’t hit any doubles for me in that HUGE ballpark. I gotta check–I think he only has a couple doubles in that place…like, way back when the Braves first played there…

But why does he do this? He goes 16 for 31 with only 4 K’s over 9 games (8 starts), and then he goes 1-9 with 5 K’s in…technically 3 games against the Mets? He kills the Mets! Or at least I thought he did… :roll: I know he’s killed Pelfrey in his career…

You all are Cox apologists

September 24th, 2009
9:53 am

TOP 10 REASONS COX SHOULD’VE RETIRED OR RESIGNED AFTER THIS SEASON:

1. 2009 Braves have UNDERACHIEVED
2. We will miss the post for the 4TH CONSECUTIVE SEASON
3. Gross pitching mismanagement
4. The inability to adjust to today’s game
5. Pinch hitting Greg Norton in crucial situations
6. We haven’t made it past the 1st round since 1999, that’s 10 YEARS
7. Staleness in the clubhouse
8. Too loyal
9. His teams always have a tendency to fail when it matters
10. 3 HOF’s, only one World Series out of 14

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE THAT IS SO GREAT?

PEOPLE, we haven’t made it past the 1st round in 10 years! 10 YEARS PEOPLE! 10 FREAKING YEARS!

YOU’RE DUMB, if you think having Cox back for 2010 is a GREAT thing.

Dummies on thE blog-nj braves, steve from OH, Roman Gal, etc. Nothing but a bunch of IDIOT HOMERS who know nothing about the passion and attitude it takes to win. Winning in sports is ALL about ATTITUDE and SWAGGER, something Cox is knows nothing about. A paper bag could’ve won 1 out of 14, SERIOUSLY!

Name 1 great thing Cox has done recently that warrants him coming back in 2010. Just 1. And please stop it with the 14 straight division titles, WHAT ABOUT THE 4th straight season out of the playoffs?

DON’T SAY I TOLD YOU SO, when we FAIL AGaIN IN 2010. History repeats itself, IDIOTS!

Jersey Gil

September 24th, 2009
9:55 am

Since July i been take care of my wife…In july she has a procedure done…She is lossing Bone in her Hip Ball..so the Doctor did a “Core Decompresor” Procedure..a week after, she broke her Hip Femur Bone, another emergency Surgery to put a Roth in her …i been in Family leave since them.But she is mush better now..walking with A CANE now.
But i been reading the Blog and keep updated with the Bravos…i miss the last Visit of the Braves here…

RHR

September 24th, 2009
9:56 am

Hey wheres that White Blood Cells guy? I just read that Jeff Francoeur a Met for 2 months, is lobbying for the Mets to sign his buddy Jason Marquis. How dare he! :lol:

Lew

September 24th, 2009
9:56 am

Shaun-There’s so much to look forward to next year, for sure. No matter who gets traded from the staff (or options not picked up), we will have one of the best rotations in the game.

Frank Wren has proven that he’s capable of going after (and acquiring) what he feels we need and has gone and done some deals no one even saw on the radar. For crying out loud-his main criticism is he got TOO MUCH pitching and paid too much (despite the fact he paid what was necessary for it). There is no such thing as too much pitching.

The players will obviously be playing to win one more for Bobby, so I expect we will have a damnedgood season after Wren gets the extra power we need this winter-and I truly believe he will get that power. No reason that with a slightly better balance between our offense and defense that we will be more than capable of playing to the level of the Yankees, Red Sox and other elite teams in MLB. The question may be if we can play better against the dregs. THAT may well be what doomed us in 09.

McFann Ô

September 24th, 2009
9:57 am

Yeah…as far as Division Rivals go, BMac was his best against the Mets…although he had more homers and RBI against the Fillies.

Vazquez is pitching tomorrow? Boo-yah! I like our chances, there…course, we all know how that goes. :roll:

RC

September 24th, 2009
9:58 am

You all are Cox apologists,

Bzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzz bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. That’s what I see when I read your posts.

DAP

September 24th, 2009
9:59 am

lew, yeah i know all that…i just cant help but think about those games and get frusterated.

i was saying on this blog from the beginning of the year that i wanted to see every game played like a must-win. every game we lost in april and may is coming back to haunt us now, and i just think a big emphasis needs to be put on all the games. but, obviously, the players and coaches need to able to move on, which i have a hard time doing.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
9:59 am

Top reason that YAACA should leave and not return. He (or not) is an insufferable douchebag.

RHR

September 24th, 2009
9:59 am

At the bottom of a long article about how the Rockies plan to use their starters in the post season:

Rockies hope it all adds up

It doesn’t come with a black hat, a rabbit or a wand. But baseball has illusion in a magic number. In truth, it sounds a lot cooler than it is. It is simple math.

The Rockies’ magic number against the Braves and Giants is seven. If they win seven of their final 10 games, they clinch the wild-card spot. With every victory, the number goes down by one. But they can get help. Each time the nearest foe loses, the Rockies’ magic number also goes down by one.

If the Rockies’ magic number reaches zero, they will have sealed a playoff spot. The earliest the Rockies could clinch is Sunday if they won their next four games and all their rivals dropped four straight.

McFann Ô

September 24th, 2009
9:59 am

Hmm…Vazquez hasn’t pitched against the Nats this year.…odd.

Mid Town Joe

September 24th, 2009
10:02 am

It’s not early yet anymore!

Jersey Gil

September 24th, 2009
10:02 am

It going to be a Good off season in this blog follow what the Braves going to do with, Hudson…Closer…Left Field…

You all are Cox apologists

September 24th, 2009
10:03 am

How is that SWEEP by the REDS looking now?

How is losing 2 of 3 at home to the Padres, one of the worst teams in baseball, looking NOW?

How is those back-to-back loses to Florida when the IDIOT Cox put Medlin in on consecutive nights looking now?

How is that loss to the Mets looking now when we blew a 4-0 lead and he allowed Lowe to give up 8 runs in one inning?

How is that Saturday afternoon loss to the Mets looking when he put Norton up to bat with the bases loaded?

What about the loss to the Phillies in the 3rd game of the season?

What about that loss to Colorado just before the AS break when Cox puts in Valdez, a rookie, instead of one of his starters when they had the break to rest?

How about the loss to the Nationals when Hanson was dealing? Or the Astros?

All of these losses can be attributed directly to COX.

Look forward to 2011, I’ve seen 2010 before, it’s the same movie OVER AND OVER AGAIN. You already know how it ends!

You all are Cox apologists

September 24th, 2009
10:05 am

APPARENTLY,

You guys are the IDIOTS. The MAJORITY of responders to the poll DON’T want Cox back in 2010. IDIOTS!

DAP

September 24th, 2009
10:06 am

shaun Think about the handful of games the Braves should have lost.

yeah, ive tried that. it doesnt work! heh, i appreciate the help, guys. im sure ill get over it eventually.

indianabravesfan

September 24th, 2009
10:09 am

Cox Apologist,

are you ever happy? cant you just enjoy how the team is playing!!!

DAP

September 24th, 2009
10:09 am

and cox apologists isnt helping.

Danga

September 24th, 2009
10:10 am

My day just wouldn’t be complete without YAACA telling me how dumb I am.

indianabravesfan

September 24th, 2009
10:13 am

i guess per Cox Apolgist that BC is the only manager that has ever made a mistake. i guess since Bobby is the only manager that does and per Cox Apologist that he sould be let go since he makes them every day.

and for the people who want Leo Mazzone as manager, keep dreaming. that would be a huge mistake.

McFann Ô

September 24th, 2009
10:13 am

DAP

I know exactly how you feel. There are quite a few games that haunt me, too.

There are quite a few plays that still haunt me…

You all are Cox apologists

September 24th, 2009
10:13 am

TO ALL YOU COX APOLOGISTS,

In your mind, Cox is perfect, right? He doesn’t deserve an ounce of criticism right?

I guess the Braves not making the post-season had nothing to do with Cox, right?

None of this is his fault, right?

NOT! You all are delusional IDIOTS!

Shaun

September 24th, 2009
10:13 am

You all are Cox apologists,

How are all of those losses attributed directly to Cox? Since you are obviously so sure of yourself on this matter and much smarter than everyone, it will be a breeze for you to tell us. So why don’t you go ahead and provide the obvious evidence that all these losses were directly because of Bobby Cox?

Also, if you are going to point out losses to bad teams, don’t you also have to point out that the Braves have the 7th best record in the majors against teams with a better than .500 overall winning percentage?

It’s funny how the Cox haters don’t first ask the question, is Cox a good, bad or mediocre manager. Instead they firmly believe because of their own biases that Cox is a bad manager then look for reasons to back up their own biases. For example, last season everyone blamed the Braves’ record in 1-run games on Bobby Cox. Now that the Braves have the 9th-best record in the majors in 1-run games, we haven’t heard about 1-run games any more.

Soph

September 24th, 2009
10:15 am

NOT! You all are delusional IDIOTS!

That I am. Thank you.

indianabravesfan

September 24th, 2009
10:17 am

YAACA:

i am a delusional idiot then since you said so!!! go braves!!!

wjones

September 24th, 2009
10:17 am

“Wayne,

In 20 years, when (else) did Bobby ever stick with a player the caliber of Greg Norton for a full season?”

Yes, in 1991. Look at Tommy Gregg’s season. Although Tommy was a bit more versatile, or at least was used in more versatile ways, than Norton was this year. There might be other examples, but that one sticks out. We did ok, though, in spite of Tommy’s numbers.

YAACA, wrong on the 10 years, but not by much. In 2001, we lost in the NLCS to the Dbacks, who went on to upset the Yankees in the post-911 World Series. One of the few times I was actually rooting for the Yanks in the WS, unless they were playing LaSorda. You know, that team might have overachieved to get to the NLCS that year, looking at numbers, and we were beaten by our own strategy–dominant pitching.

Neyer was wrong on Billy Martin. He only won one World Series. 1977. Bobby was on his coaching staff. Also with only one WS win we have Weaver, Durocher, Leyland, Herzog, Davey Johnson, Piniella, just off the top of my head. And LaRussa was in that list until 2006. Either he or Leyland was going to get off that list that year.

You all are Cox apologists

September 24th, 2009
10:25 am

WHY,

Should I be happy after we will likely miss the post-season for the 4TH consecutive season?

Why should I be happy when a guy is returning to MIS-MANAGE a team that has won only 1 championship in two decades of his existence?

Many of you have this NOTION that if you’re a TRUE FAN , you should support the Braves no matter what.

I LOVE THE BRAVES, that being said, it doesn’t excuse the fact that the game has PASSED COX BY.

Cox has FAILED the Braves for the past two decades because our teams ALWAYS seem to fail when it counts, plus, if this was Philly, Boston, or New York, Cox would’ve been fired 11 years ago when we lost the NLCS to San Diego, a team we should’ve never LOST TO.

McFann Ô

September 24th, 2009
10:26 am

Soph That I am. Thank you.

Ah, me, too! It’s not so bad…

Space Monkey

September 24th, 2009
10:28 am

Congratulations to Bobby, really. But here’s an example of what’s so infuriating about the man: Today in the paper he’s saying how great Hudson pitched last night. Did he watch the game? The Mets had men on base all night. One well placed line drive and they could have tied or won that game on several occasions. If that’s an example of Hudson having a good night, I don’t want to see a bad one. Last night’s win was entirely about infield defense. Hudson was throwing batting practice.

Jersey Gil

September 24th, 2009
10:29 am

Lew…i will keep you updated this Winter on what’s going in on in Winter Ball…I going to my Lovely island in December and also we planning to have a trip to the Dominican republic for a few Games.

Shaun

September 24th, 2009
10:30 am

In your mind, Cox is perfect, right? He doesn’t deserve an ounce of criticism right?

No one has said that. Can you point to any post at all this season where anyone said Cox is perfect or doesn’t deserve criticism?

I guess the Braves not making the post-season had nothing to do with Cox, right?

First of all there is still a slim chance they could make it. Second of all no one said Cox has nothing to do with the Braves (probably) not making the postseason. But it’s hard for me and probably many others to believe any manager has a very significant impact on his team not making the postseason.

If managers had a significant impact on a team’s fortunes, I think we would see a lot more consistency in managers’ records from year-to-year. Look at Tony Larussa, for example, since he’s been managing the Cardinals. In 1996 the finished 1st. From 1997 to 1999 they didn’t finish higher than 3rd and finished 4th twice. From 2000 to 2002, they finished 1st or 2nd every season. In 2003 they finished 3rd. From 2004 to 2006 they finished 1st every year and won a World Series. In 2007 and 2008 they finished 3rd and 4th respectively. And this season they will finish 1st. LaRussa is regarded as a great manager, and he probably is a fine one. But his tenure with the Cardinals has been a lot more up-and-down than people realize. I think this goes to show the type of impact a manager does NOT have on the fortunes of a team. The players and the GM (because he acquires the players) have a lot bigger impact than any manager.

If the Braves’ down seasons were sprinkled in among their best seasons during Cox’s tenure, would anyone be criticizing Cox as much as they do? I think in some ways he’s been a victim of the Braves’ remarkable success of the 1990s and early 2000s, insofar as criticism from illogical people on a blog is victimization.

None of this is his fault, right?

See above. Sure it’s fair to lay some of the blame on Bobby Cox for the Braves not making the playoffs. But evidence throughout the history of the game seems to suggest a manager’s impact is extremely minimal.

Mike

September 24th, 2009
10:32 am

DOB, I appreciate your candid thoughts and response about the whole Bobby spring training thing. You are a great writer, and given the nature of what you do, you remain objective. I respect your work, it’s enjoyable. Keep it going!!!

RC

September 24th, 2009
10:32 am

Anyone else realize that both Soriano AND Gonzalez project to be type A free agents after the season? While I’d obviously have one or both of them back to help anchor the bullpen next year, it’s nice to know that we should be able to get 2 first round and 2 supplemental round picks should they both leave.

Efrim

September 24th, 2009
10:33 am

All of these losses can be attributed directly to COX.

Couldn’t you do that with every manager in the sport’s history? And even so, how do we know all of those losses were a direct result of Bobby Cox’ managerial decisions? Just pointless to go back through everything like that.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
10:34 am

YAACA-Better to be a delusional idiot that to be an insufferable douchebag such as yourself.

Lew

September 24th, 2009
10:34 am

Gil-That sounds like a great trip. Bet you’ll have a great time and see some great baseball. Enjoy yourselves.

Bravedawg

September 24th, 2009
10:35 am

Is anyone else concerned that now that the Cardinals have clinched, they will go on cruise control (and perhaps skip a start for either (or both) Carpenter and Wainwright)? I hope they play all out this weekend and sweep the Rockies.

Oh, and YAACA – how is the 3rd game of the season attributable as a loss to BC? As far as I know, he’s never thrown a pitch in MLB. He wasn’t the one that gave up 173 runs in one inning, that was the bullpen. Any manager would take their starter out after pitching 6-7 innings, with close to 100 pitches, in a blowout game. Not Cox’s fault. Sure, some of those losses are 100% his fault. How many wins are 100% attributable to him? Hard to tell. Of course he deserves some blame. But does he not deserve any credit??

Bravedawg

September 24th, 2009
10:36 am

YAACA – and nice current reference with the “…NOT!!!” joke. Here’s my also-current-reference response: That was so funny I forgot to laugh.

Efrim

September 24th, 2009
10:36 am

Anyone else realize that both Soriano AND Gonzalez project to be type A free agents after the season? While I’d obviously have one or both of them back to help anchor the bullpen next year, it’s nice to know that we should be able to get 2 first round and 2 supplemental round picks should they both leave.

amen to that, RC. I hope they offer arbitration to Soriano. He would most likely get a raise of a couple million after his season, so they would have to be comfortable paying him 8 million for one season next year. I don’t think that should be a problem though. Gonzalez should be offered arb., because he’ll most likely get an annual average that’s worth what he would get through one year of arbitration next year. Soriano……certainly not a given. But with his injury history, don’t you have to take a multi year deal?

Shaun

September 24th, 2009
10:37 am

Congratulations to Bobby, really. But here’s an example of what’s so infuriating about the man: Today in the paper he’s saying how great Hudson pitched last night. Did he watch the game? The Mets had men on base all night. One well placed line drive and they could have tied or won that game on several occasions. If that’s an example of Hudson having a good night, I don’t want to see a bad one. Last night’s win was entirely about infield defense. Hudson was throwing batting practice.

Lunacy on the blog continues.

First of all, what do you expect Cox to say? “Hudson pitched horrible. We were lucky to win that game. What a dope!”

Second, do you think Hudson had nothing to do with inducing ground balls? Yes, ideally you want every pitcher to be like Pedro in his prime. But not every pitcher is going to be that. Hudson is not really a strikeout pitcher (5.5 SO/9 since he’s been a Brave). The fact that the win was “entirely about infield defense” is a plus for Hudson, not a negative.

I’m amazed by the lack of critical thinking on this blog. And some of these folks are likely teaching our children, running companies, protecting citizens and voting in elections. Very scary.

cvbraves

September 24th, 2009
10:37 am

Great job, Bobby Cox, and Braves. It has been a good year.

We’re in the “playoffs” for the Playoffs as far as I’m concerned. What an amazing September run…win or lose the rest of the way, it has been fun!