3:20 pm September 23, 2009, by David O'Brien
September 23rd, 20095:01 pm
brekky – you been able to get to any of the games this week?
September 23rd, 20095:03 pm
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September 23rd, 2009
We are going to miss the wildcard by 4-5 games. I can think of at least 7 games cox blew just by his overuse of the bullpen and utter miusmanagement of the pitching staff. I hope he walks away.”
I love this kind of analysis. Why don’t you list those games?
No wait, I’ll do it.
1. Taking Tommy Hanson out in Houston
2. Using Kris Medlen three straight nights in Florida (that counts as two games lost)
3. Bringing in a worn out Gonzo in the 8th against the Reds on the Sunday game who gave up a tying homerun to rookie Drew Stubbs
4. Taking Tommy out after 7 shutout innings on July 4th in DC against the Nats (Nats win 5-3)
5. Using Gonzo in the 8th inning of game 1 of a four game series at Colorado, gave up two run double to struggling Garett Atkins.
6. Using Soriano instead of Gonzo to face Ryan Howard in the 9th inning of a 3-2 loss on a Friday home game
7. Miscommunicating a hit and run play with Yunel on a Fox Saturday homegame against the Mets
a. Using Greg Norton to pinch hit with the bases loaded in the 8th, Norton strikes out
Other signs that he’s lost it:
-leaving Chipper to bat third even though he’s in one of the worst slumps of his career and batting our homerun leader LaRoche 8th?
-comparing D-Lowe’s 9 run meltdown in NY to a “Greg Maddux inning”
-denying Brian McCann was in a slump in spite of an 0 for 20 streak.
I don’t know, that’s the best I can do on short notice.
TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)
September 23rd, 20095:04 pm
Well, he’s back another year, so I’m not going to sit here and continue to write my disgust for this man’s decision making, so best of luck to Bobby and I hope he wins manager of the year in 2010 and leads us to WC. That’s all…
September 23rd, 20095:06 pm
For Bobby’s Replacements I want Ozzie Guillen (T Hawkin)
then you’re a fool….and it ain’t happeninh. Lots of disrespect in baseball circles for ol’ Oz. He sure ain’t coming here
RHR I’m fine with Bobby going out like that.
Me, too. Much better than getting fired or “let go”…Wonder what they’ll do for him at the end of ‘10…
Steve from OH
Using Kris Medlen three straight nights in Florida (that counts as two games lost)
Not sure what happened to my post to TnBrian…
September 23rd, 20095:07 pm
A lot of gnashing of teeth about Cox returning for one more go. What is, is. Focus needs to be on what the Bravos require on the field to go to the next level.
And for those who are writing off 2009, I think not. The Braves have a shot to win 90 games, which would reverse there record from last season. No small thing.
They’ve seen Jurrjens develop into a top flight pitcher, with Hanson not far behind. The Braves’ rotation is one of the best in the NL. The McLoth and LaRoche addtionals were solid upgrades (let’s hope Wren resigns LaRoche).
The Bravos have taken a big step in the right direction this year. With a couple/three right moves, they can seriously be in contention in ‘10.
September 23rd, 20095:08 pm
I don’t know, McFann, but I hope its big. And Chipper better not go with him.
September 23rd, 20095:09 pm
As I said earlier give BC Hall of Fame type starting pithing, power up and down the lineup, a good bench, great middle relievers and closers, gold glovers, and he will take that team to post season play! He might not win the Big one too often but he will lead his team to victory over teams that don’t have all of the above! Uhm! But who wouldn’t?
September 23rd, 20095:10 pm
blog will be hopping tonight … maybe 20 pages … YES to BC returning!
September 23rd, 20095:11 pm
MY WORST NIGHTMARE HAS COME TRUE!
Cox back in 2010?
Oh please. If thats your worst nightmare you’re living a mighty charmed life. You could always take 2010 off yourself if him being manager bothers you that much.
I have been a Braves fan since the early 1970s. Bobby Cox is the best manager that we have ever had. I cannot imagine the Braves ever having a better manager despite what anyone says on this blog. I know that being manager of the Braves is a much tougher job than being a second guesser of the manager of the Braves.
September 23rd, 20095:12 pm
Whatever it is, I think you cann count on us to be there!
And Chipper better not go with him.
Yeah…that’d be weird for them to both go out at the same time.
September 23rd, 20095:13 pm
Managers are largely overrated. Cox, being lambasted by a lot of fans now for being a crummy manager, is the same guy who was at the helm when the team was on its run. The roster matters more than the manager.
RHR Oh please. If thats your worst nightmare you’re living a mighty charmed life.
I’d like to see Bobby and Chipper go out together after another World Series loss to the Yanks. It would be like old times.
(If you think Mitchell is angst-ridden and profane, wait’ll you see me during and after something like that.)
TNBrian – yes, Bobby led us to those titles.
Keep in mind that we had the “Big Three” rotation for only 6 of those (’93-’99; ‘94 was the strike year). Smoltz was hurt or in the bullpen for almost 5 years (2000-2004) and Glavine was gone in 2003. So take away the years that rotation was intact and you still have 8 division titles in 8.5 seasons with Bobby. So he had a good payroll to work with. Joe Torre gets a free pass why?
September 23rd, 20095:14 pm
RHR – went to game 1 and got obliterated (literally)… such a nice stadium and good food AND drink… but then my karma turned… had the car towed in NYC the next day… had an argument with the boss and my dog peed on my new rug…
September 23rd, 20095:15 pm
TNBrian – In 2004 the Boston Red Sox won their first World Series in 86 years. They immediately let Pedro, Lowe, and Damon go. The fans screamed but enjoyed another title 3 years later. That was after trading a Boston icon Nomar Garcipara during the season to help win that World Series. They did that because they understand yesterday does not help you tommorrow.
Cox led those teams to the playoffs in the past. This year he was the biggest reason they will be done October 3rd. Theo Epstein would cut his mother while the Braves love to hold onto the Chop, 40 year old pitchers and a manager who is well past his prime and proved it this year.
This is why the Sox have 2 WS titles in 6 years and have made the playoffs 7 out of 8 years and the Braves have underachieved. Sad but true.
I love the Braves but for the love of God the 90’s are over. Get a younger manager that holds the players accountable and this team has all the young pieces to be great again.
Steve from OH, re: the DH, I honestly don’t know why I like it, just that I feel like there should be a universal something in the sport. Whether that is DH or no DH, just have it be the same, ya know? I enjoy the DH in some ways, hate it in other ways. I probably lean more towards it, but I can totally understand why most people hate the rule.
This Team Needs a spark, I’ve gotten tired of the Businessman like persona that has dominated this team since Justice left, Other than Brian Jordan there have been few vocal braves on the team other than Smoltz
This Blog will reach 20 pages by tomorrow morning, “Bank On It!”
Greg Norton now has job security.
September 23rd, 20095:16 pm
I get sick of hearing about JUST our great pitching from the 90s etc
What about a team that had 3-4 guys who raked every year… Gant, McGriff, Andruw, Justice, TP, Chipper, Javy Lopez…. we had some big game big time hitters as well… IMO
Great job on the blog today DOB. Hopefully it will enlighten as well as cultivate some empathy for the job. I saw the same Jane’s Addiction tour in ‘86 at a little club in Kansas City that held about 600 people. Perry Farrell was wearing a black corset-like top and had pink ties holding his dreads together. It was like a New York Dolls show pushed into the 80’s. Quite a good night for music.
“Let’s do it for Johnny”, er, uh, Bobby in 2010.
September 23rd, 20095:17 pm
Well, folks….put this in perspective..it could be a lot worse..
At least we’re not the Pirates!
September 23rd, 20095:18 pm
I want Chipper either to retire Next year or go to the AL…It’s time to change eras…
I for one don’t want to see Chipper struggling to hit .270 with 15 Homers next year, he’s too big to put up with that
Oh and this Blog is gonna be off da chain tonight
September 23rd, 20095:19 pm
We love the Atlanta Braves. There, we said it. We have loved them since Dale Murphy was patrolling the outfield for the never-say-die, perpetually-out-of-the-pennant-race-by-May teams of the mid-80s. And, thanks to the SuperStation, there are a lot of us Braves fans out there. We fell in love with Murphy and Bob Horner and Ken Oberkfell and stayed in love when those heroes gave way to David Justice, Ron Gant, Steve Avery, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz. And starting in 1978 and again in 1991 when he came back from the front office as a general manager to become the manager of our Atlanta Braves, we fell in love with Bobby Cox.
please read my Bobby Cox tribute at:
September 23rd, 20095:20 pm
There Will be a Page Long Post From P-Lentz Upcoming during the Game “Bank On It!”
D.O. had some Essay Tyle posts when he broke it down about the rigors of a beat writer
P-Lentz is due for a long story for what happened to Cox’s demise…He must’ve been a journalism major when he was in college?
September 23rd, 20095:22 pm
I’m a younger dude, and Cox is really the only manager I have known being a Braves fan. I am not one of these people who can’t wait to see him go. I’m saddened by the news, but the guy has managed for a very long time and it had to end sometime – so it’s very understandable. I was actually hoping he’d manage through 2012. Call me crazy, but I was hoping him and Chipper would ride off into the sunset with eachother(I don’t expect Chipper to retire before then, guy has a .391 OBP). I would of been shocked to see Cox retire after this season. This team is on the cusp of being World Series good, and with a few of the right additions and replacements, I think they can make it back to the post season next year and do some damage. I said it before and I’ll say it again, I think they should go for it next year. They should trade any piece in the farm not named Jason Heyward for a middle of the order bat(that makes sense). Anyway, BC will go down as one of the greatest managers of all time and I am happy that I got to witness it as a Braves fan.
I haven’t seen this many Unknown Bloggers (Rookies) on here Since we won the first 2 games of the season against Philly and the Coor’s Light COOOOLLLLLL Train AKA Bandwagon was in full effect…
September 23rd, 20095:23 pm
glord1 – the Bosox systematically decided to juice on a wholesale level that helped certain “stars” win them a title, let us see how they finish in the immaculately no ‘roidal playoffs of 2009, and please dont quote HGH etc, the Bosox under that slippery owner JOHNNIE Henry knew exactly what they were doing, sabermetrics bs…. they clinically and systemically used roids as a group as a team as a beef. Like their crosstown NFL friends, they are cheats
Chipper said the choice of the next manager would also play into his decision whether to continue playing beyond next season.
As for Bobby retiring, he smiled and said, “I’ll believe it when I see it.”
Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox
September 23rd, 20095:24 pm
RE: Didn’t anyone find this even remotely funny????
“Put on your Poncho DOB. The bullpen boys are probably celebrating like they just won the World Series”
My heart skipped a beat when I just now saw the news. Then I realized it was after 2010.
I am rather enjoying the blog today. I just keep smiling, go Bobby! Drive them crazy for another year.
The president being arrested for murder is “Breaking News.”
Pictures of Bobby Cox is not “Breaking News.
September 23rd, 20095:25 pm
Just like many of us stated all summer….. 2010 will be the year we make our return to October. 2011 will be the year that teams legitimately fear playing this team again.
Gotta love the reaction people are giving to this news…your team announces the 4th winningest manager in major league baseball history is going to manage one more season and retire, and people are more upset over the one year than the retirement! Look, this is a good decision for a few reasons:
1. You don’t fire Bobby Cox. Not only would there be a public outlash, but the players would likely not take it well at all. You’d really be putting the new manager in an impossible position, because everyone in the clubhouse would resent the guy who “replaced” Bobby.
2. By announcing “one more year” you have an entire year to look for a replacement, and anyone who might be interested has an opportunity to position themselves to take over. Whether that’s someone within the organization or outside of it, knowing WHEN Cox is leaving is beneficial for all parties.
3. EVERYONE in that clubhouse wants to win another one for Bobby. Next year is going to be one of the best chances the team has had to make the postseason in a long time anyway, and this added motivation can only help.
4. Free agents know that Cox will be around next year. While that might cause some concern for them with a long-term contract, they don’t have to worry about signing in December and then finding out there will be a new manager in January. Again, transparency is good for all involved.
September 23rd, 20095:26 pm
“What about a team that had 3-4 guys who raked every year… Gant, McGriff, Andruw, Justice, TP, Chipper, Javy Lopez…. we had some big game big time hitters as well”
Co-sign! And guys who has sound fundementals like Nixon, Blauser, Mordecai, Brian Jordan, etc…
September 23rd, 20095:27 pm
The big news is that I play this weekend to try and win the Fed Ex Cup. Who thinks I can do it?
September 23rd, 20095:28 pm
“The first order of business should be DFAing Greg effing Norton!”
Now that Bobby’s back for one more the first order of business will probably be to sign Norton to a one year extension. Greg is this close to breaking out of it ….
September 23rd, 20095:31 pm
Bobby Cox, saying that he is coming back next year, shows how selfish and a grumpy old man he is, a man is who only thinks of himself. Last time I heard Wren was support to be the general manager, or his boss, so who is Bobby Cox to get mad, he should be grateful he’s got a job, that paid that good. Wren should get rid of him, just because he has being there a long time, that he can do what he wants. When he was ignore, by the upper brass not including him in their meeting should tell Cox that he’s not wanted, If Cox had any shame he would step down. Just because he’s mad at the front office, he shouldn’t take it out on Escobar.
Brandon from Warner Robins
Glad to see Bobby coming back next season.
September 23rd, 20095:32 pm
With our pitching and what it could be next year, maybe Wren can use some jailbait to power the team to another Division Championship or maybe a wildcard berth in the playoffs. GOTTA be the only reason COX is returning next year. BUT, at least there is now a light at the end of the seemingly endless tunnel.
September 23rd, 20095:33 pm
Joe Torre took a bunch of overachievers to the playoffs in 1982. A team that hit fewer HR’s than this years’current power deprived team.A team that scored fewer runs than this year’s team. A team that gave up a quarter run higher ERA than this year’s team. A team batting avg. then of .256. that hit for .27 lower Slugging, .41 lower OPS than this years team. Bob Walk was the 2nd starter that year with a 11-9 record. Only one starter who started over 11 games with under a 4.00 ERA. And that was when you actually had to win your division. Now that was coaching!
September 23rd, 20095:34 pm
Where are those “water- HOUSES” when you need one…… rufues
BTW since Bobby had the quiet chat with Yunel he has developed into the best hitter with RISP in mlb… think about that one
September 23rd, 20095:35 pm
You people wouldn’t know a great manager if he wiped a booger on your face. The fact that everyone who actually plays/played the game on a professional level think he is one of the best ever should tell you that maybe they know something you don’t. Just because you played tee ball and watch the games on TV doesn’t mean you know everything about baseball.
September 23rd, 20095:37 pm
I understand Greg Norton just phoned his wife with a big smile on his face!
September 23rd, 20095:40 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, We can all celabrate around this time next year! No, not because we finally reached postseason, but the old fart will be gone! I’m going to run around peachtree St. butt naked, once COX hangs his cleats. Congrats to everyone on this blog and begin the countdown. Write it down, October 2011 we’ll be in the playoffs, I have my house on this bet.
Wayne in Utah
Two reasons why I am thrilled that Bobby is coming back for one more year: 1) He is a great baseball manager, and 2) It will bug the hell out of about 1/3 of you idiots on the blog!
White Blood Cells
September 23rd, 20095:41 pm
That 82 teams was so good they were swept in 3 games and Torre was fired within the tear.
I knew Chipper would say something like that!
September 23rd, 20095:43 pm
Though I know you’re giving me crap, I would prefer that you respect my desire to have somebody new in the dugout, for just that. I’ve never been afraid to give Cox credit when deserved. It just so happens, that from what I see on the outside looking in, that has happened a helluva lot less in recent years.
But you’re right. I’m an equal opportunity griper. I’ll rip anybody for foul play, and praise those who stink up the joint. Nobody is immune to my complaints!
September 23rd, 20095:44 pm
First I threw-up then my bowel completely let go once heard the news.
Damn blackberry e-mail alerts during business meeting.
Let’s just say the deal we were working on at the time didn’t quite pan out.
I meant year not tear. Torre was such a great coach with underachievers that he then went to St. Louis to underachieve. The Yankees and their astronomical payroll are why he won. The Dodgers will be eliminated in the NLDS this year, never to return to the playoffs while Torre manages.
September 23rd, 20095:45 pm
Prado just went down during batting practice. Kelly Johnson hit a liner off his left leg, it looked like. Prado was fielding grounders hit by a coach, fungoes, and Kelly was taking BP and hit a ball that smacked him in what looked like lower left leg. I’ll confirm that in a bit.
Scary scene for a while, all teammates surrounding him. Trainer came out and eventually Prado got up off the ground and was able to limp off the field. For a while it looked like they might call a cart to come get him.
So I’d guess Kelly will be replacing him at 2B.
The lineup WAS
Don’t know now, though
September 23rd, 20095:46 pm
Enter your comments here
You have to figure that Terry Pendleton is just as irritated as many of us fans are. If Pendleton really is a leading contender to replace Bobby, then he must be beside himself knowing that he has to sit in the dugout and witness up close and personal another season full of Cox’s irrational managerial moves.
Well Bobby gets a farewell season, and it will be a good and entertaining one at that. Next year’s team should be pretty damn good.
I also like that maybe Cox & Wren had some disagreements. Bobby has had loyalty to players, and Wren has been the guy to clear out the dead. You would expect some fission right? Over the course of the year, I think Bobby probably has realized Wren was right in his decsions, and it would have taken a guy like Wren (& not Bobby & Scherholtz) to make those hard decisions.
The team is getting full of good young prospects again..something Bobby has always relished since he wasn’t that good of a player. So, if Bobby and Wren has some discourse earlier in the year, it obviously hasn’t been a deterrent in keeping Bobby around to work WITH WREN for 5 additional years after next season. Not saying the report by Yahoo isn’t true, but it’s a little frivolous in it’s timing, because Wren and Bobby are probably closer in their opinions, personnel, and mutual respect for one another now that the team is real close to being a world series threat.
September 23rd, 20095:47 pm
The Braves stunk it up offensively early in the year, yet it is Bobby Cox who catches the blame for our being 5 games out with 11 to go.
So, if he sucked so bad, then how is it that we have played so well since the break???
You can’t have it both ways folks. When we play well, it’s the players doing well. When we suck, it’s the manager doing poorly???
All managers lose games. Grow up folks. It will be a sad day when BC steps down.
September 23rd, 20095:48 pm
I bet Norton is happy, he prolly already gots the primary pinch hitter job locked up for next year.
Its good to have Bobby back, Ima support my team still. Go out with a bang bobby prove us wrong!
September 23rd, 20095:49 pm
How Machiavellian of KJ. I am kind of proud of him and hopeful that winning edge carries us to 11 straight wins
I wish Bobby would call it quits after this season and begin consulting next season!
As for Chipper’s opinion on the next manager, it should have NOTHING to do with who the Braves select to replace Cox. Chipper is a lame duck whose skills are dwindling. In the best case scenario he’s here until the end of the current contract. The Braves need not take one ounce of Chipper’s opinion into account when deciding who is Bobby’s replacement. Long after Chipper is gone, the Braves will be playing and hopefully using the manager they replaced Cox with. Chipper has his hands full lobbying the Braves to resign his business partner. (LaRoche)
Let the chips fall where they may. The farther from the Braves family tree they go to find Cox’s replacement…. the better!
I guess that’s one way to break the lineup, but I do hope it’s Infante. Sorry Hjort.
September 23rd, 20095:50 pm
Yunel, didn’t need any help to hit from an old fart like Cox, he was hitting better before. The problem is that Cox just can’t handle motivation or youth, he has gotten rid of a lot of young talented players and why he got so many old timers playing on the Braves. There are other way to get a player attention, then to embarrass him in front of the fans…….think about that one, dogsbrekky
Yo, What’s Up “B”
Watch the Camp Lo “Luchini” Video on youtube it’s good sh…+!
Can we all agree that Prado probably doesn’t need to take any more grounders during batting practice?
September 23rd, 20095:51 pm
We must be nearing a record for BP injuries. Good grief.
September 23rd, 20095:52 pm
I say keep winning and cut it to 2 by Monday AM, and see how the Rockies play with a real team in the rear view mirror.
Wasn’t it KJ who hit PRADO in BP last time? Stay behind the damn screen, Marteeen.
Not much Tomahawkin! I’ll get to that video in a lil bit. Trying to catch up on all the comments!
September 23rd, 20095:53 pm
Thanks, Chief…hope Prado will be OK!
September 23rd, 20095:54 pm
Bobby Cox? Another year? Are you kidding me? … Damn, another year out of the playoffs, thats 5 in a row now… *sigh* … 2011 here we go!
Kelly finally taking matters into his own hand.
“If Bobby won’t start me, I’ll start me!”
Looks like KJ is finding ways to get into the lineup! Bet BC goes with Infante instead, but how could he resist the temptation to put Kelly in after he took Prado out!
Kelly Johnson Fan Club
The Atlanta Braves announced today that they have agreed to terms with manager Bobby Cox on a one-year contract extension through the 2010 season and that the team’s entire coaching staff will be brought back next year.
UGH. More Snitker and Cadahia.
Bay Area Steve
Isn’t that twice this year that KJ has Tonya Hardinged Marty in BP?
You on the plus side, this news makes RHR’s bingo card valid for one more year.
September 23rd, 20095:55 pm
Bet BC goes with Infante instead
September 23rd, 20095:56 pm
rufues – yeah you would be right, what did you say .. oh yes “Cox can’t handle motivation”, which one with a brain may assume meant, “Cox cannot motivate his players”…
think about a positive work environment and then think about Bobby. Positive reinforcement with the likes of Vazquez shows how truly GREAT Cox is as a motivator.. but thanks for the thought big guy..
Bay Area, Nice
I think I’m gonna play with the Bingo card tonight
Bobby Farewell Tour
September 23rd, 20095:59 pm
AS long as that old fart doesn’t double cross us and it’s only one more year…… I suppose I can live with it.
Oh yeah….. and replacing him with TP ain’t no option! TP couldn’t get Andrew, Frenchy or any other half dozen guys to listen to him as a hitting instructor so what makes anyone think that he can get anyone’s ear and respect as a manager?
I wuv Bobby
September 23rd, 20096:00 pm
My only title in 65 years as an ATL resident and moments of pure joy such as 1991 (Braves win Braves win Braves win) plus 1995 with my boy Justice hitting a long one.
Well thank you to Bobby Cox.
Clearly the best manager in a meaningful pro sport in ATL history. Thanks again
September 23rd, 20096:02 pm
First story reported on Sports Center was Bobby’s extension.
September 23rd, 20096:04 pm
Bring in Eddie Perez as next manager, or Leo Mazzone
Since 60 percent of the players in MLB are hispanic Eddie perez would be a good fit
Leo Mazzone, I’d thought he’d be Bobby’s Successor until he left…
He’d be the perfect fit
September 23rd, 20096:05 pm
Wayne in Utah
Considering the fact that it is Bobby’s decision to send certain players to the field night after night, Bobby Cox’s job is to prepare a lineup before each game, putting in the guys that play better, that perform and produce like the team needs it….
The team was not hitting in the first half, what happened in the first half, Bobby Cox was sending KJ and Francoeur everyday out there even though the sucked, they werent getting the job done, it took Bobby almost 4 months to make the decision, inmedietely after he made Prado the everyday 2B, the team was better, Frank Wren had to trade Francoeur so Bobby wouldnt be able to play him…. and since those moves where made, the team got ”better” …
So, i ask you, if Bobby would have been intelligent enough to make the adjustments when the problem started instead of being such a stupid loyal and patient ignorant, wouldnt the team be in a better position right now?
So, yes, it is Bobby’s fault!
COX on announcing the decision: “It’s going to give me a chance to do this. If I don’t do this right now, I would be wanting to manage again somewhere, or here … it’s time to go ahead and say it. I don’t think I would every give up the idea of managing unless I just say, that’s it. That’s what I’m saying – that it’s it.”
I asked him if this is definite, since before he said it and then signed an extension.
“Oh, yeah. Period. It’s time,” he said. “We’re going to put everything we can into next year and I’ll be the first one trying to help out in 2011 and cheer for the Braves.”
I started to ask, whether you win the World Series or don’t …
And he cut me off by answering: “It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. I really want to manage next year and it’s just a good time to say it now, get it over with and retire. The good part of it is, I get to be involved. Frank, John, Terry and the guys have been very good, and they’ve made that happen.”
I don’t see how all the Bobby supporters (or anyone really) can look past the Norton fiasco, Yunel-gate, the questionable bullpen management, and the even more questionable lineup management Bobby’s done this year. And that’s just this year! I can think of specific incidents where Bobby’s made “what’s he doing?!” decisions that have been the difference in a game.
Remember that time when Bobby sends Norton to the plate with two men on with a bench full of much better hitters? Norton K’ed, we lost by one.
Joe D. loves Marilyn
September 23rd, 20096:06 pm
Should have said…winning with a chance somewhere between 1 in 25 (which is what ESPN has us at…making the playoffs. They do not distinguish winning…between the Wild Card and the East…) and the mega millions odds of 1 in 175,711,536.
Odds are somewhere in between…I would think.
STILL BELIEVE…(go Padres…we could sure use some help!!!)
September 23rd, 20096:08 pm
The most bizarre thing about Martins injury is that if Kelly can hit the ball accurately how come he is hitting .220?
Oh batting practice …. Nevermind
“You can’t have it both ways folks. When we play well, it’s the players doing well. When we suck, it’s the manager doing poorly???” Wayne
What about when the manager continues to play guys that shouldn’t be playing (KJ, Jeff, Bennett, Boyer – early in the year), and continues to bat a severly slumping Chipper in the 3-hole? Not to mention not only having Greg Norton on the active roster, but using him in EVERY key spot.
Until recently, much of the offensive issues early in the year, were decsions on WHO to play, not just that the guys weren’t hitting.
If Bobby chooses to play “player A”, and at the end of the year, that player had one of the statistically worst seasons of ANY player, sure that player is to blame. But who’s in charge of deciding when that player sits and plays? The “buck” has to stop somewhere, right?
I totally agree that we(Bobby) have better players now. But I’m also of the belief that througout the season, there were better options (even if just temporary), to fill in during prolonged slumps and losing stretches. THAT is on Bobby (and to an extent Wren).
September 23rd, 20096:10 pm
Some of the people on here…Jake7, Cox apologists, nova scotia steve…shouldn’t be allowed to watch baseball. How dumb are you fools?? Every time you fools post, you further prove your ignorance. If you asked every single player, GM, and manager in baseball what they thought of Cox, you would get 99% positive feedback. Yet, a few blog posters, who clearly know very little about the game, believe they know how the team should be handled. Unreal. maybe the Braves should let you three geniuses lead the team in ‘11.
September 23rd, 20096:13 pm
jeffrey d Bet BC goes with Infante instead
Ya sound like my sister…
September 23rd, 20096:14 pm
jeff d – It is easy to be negative selective rather then positive selective
Javy Vazquez choked in NY, was given grief in Chicago by Ossie and then came to the ATL where he has been brilliant (outside of a few innings here and there). Thank Cox for that.
You focus on minor tactical decisions and miss the bigger strategic game that Cox plays. He cannot make filet mignon with chuck steak. His hitters have been streaky all year and we lack a substantial power threat or 2 (Chipper and McCann are not that and Roach is occassionally that).
But, under Bobby and his BP usage he has MAXIMIZED innings for the RP that have performed best. Let us look at the Australian guy, Moylan. His era was terrible to start the year. We all said dump him yet he now has a 2.8 era and is out best RP etc etc etc
Until recently, much of the offensive issues early in the year, were decsions on WHO to play, not just that the guys weren’t hitting.
Granted Bobby didn’t have a bunch of Ichiros to pick from, but KJ, Schafer, and Francoeur were absolutely destroying our offense. And Kelly was batting leadoff forever!
September 23rd, 20096:15 pm
Settle Down Bro, You are having a BF!
I like Nova Scotia Steve, Don’t You think you are being too hard on him?
Cox Apologists…I usually agree with him as well because I got tired of Bobby 5 years ago…Had this been 1993 Then I’d think that it is necessary that you check him
Jake7 You can Check him as much as you please…I haven’t seen that name on this blog all year…
The SNY Mets station in NY on their show Loud Mouths just nominated Cox as their best mlb manager, and they are hard guys to please… they ranked him higher then their beloved TORRE
September 23rd, 20096:16 pm
Alot of people lost confidence in Cox this year and for good reason. Eveyone knows he can still manage, but will he. I do believe he (Cox) blindsided everyone this year for personal reasons. I think it was made clear that anymore of such nonsense and he was out. Very dubious the Edes story and the sudden announcement. I bet Schuerholz stepped in and mediated.
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