3:20 pm September 23, 2009, by David O'Brien
Kelly Johnson Fan Club
September 23rd, 20093:24 pm
The scheduled starters for the next series (@Washington) are John Lannan, Garrett Mock, and Livan Hernandez. KJ has a 1.133 OPS against Lannan (6-for-15 with 2 doubles and a homer). He’s doubled in his only plate appearance vs. Garrett Mock.
September 23rd, 20093:26 pm
Bobby Cox coming back as manager for 2010 season…
September 23rd, 20093:30 pm
Thanks for the new Blog, Chief.
As for Pelfrey, he’s is 1-3 with a 7.04 ERA in his past five starts, and dude allowed 18 hits including five homers in 13 innings during his past two…Brian McCann is 11-for-23 with a homer against him
Nyg…don’t rub it in!
repeated from last blog:
The Braves have had a streak here and there, especially after they started the season 5-1. I think their goose was cooked after the 5 game slide starting Sept 2nd with the Phish.
Kool that DOB mentions the 5 game skid, too!
September 23rd, 20093:33 pm
With the grip she’s got on that broom, that fan in the second pic looks like she’d be good for about 30 hrs and 110 rbi. Is she a free agent?
bravo1966, they copied Bradley’s report on the subject, except the part that says Cox is coming back. They made that up. Read Bradley’s article and notice the difference.
September 23rd, 20093:34 pm
Bobby, we can’t live without you.
Never change, Bobby.
DOB, time for you to place a bug in Bobby’s office. Thanks for all you’ve done this year.
Chipper breaks out tonight.
September 23rd, 20093:36 pm
I think their goose was cooked after the 5 game slide starting Sept 2nd with the Phish
5 days with Phish, done right, will cook anyone’s goose.
September 23rd, 20093:40 pm
Good Lord, the more things change, the more they stay the same….
September 23rd, 20093:41 pm
DOB, I know you wanted to be fully clear (crystal, even, LOL) on the reasoning behind beat writers’ decisions on write-not-write, but, truthfully, the one line says most of it:
Unfortunately, it’s impossible to express the complicated nature of covering any beat — government, crime, a sports team — to people who aren’t in the business
Reasonable folks know that; folks who don’t get that aren’t going to be swayed by a logical rendition of the reasons behind it.
How can so many of my favorite posters want the DH? What the heck is wrong with you people? I suppose I can understand a fan of an AL team wanting the switch, or just to have the leagues the same, but…
Again, what is wrong with you people? OK, I’m gonna tell myself that Chop was doing his opposite-thing, and Efrim is distracted by the Penguins. Yeah, there we go.
Bay Area Steve, that was funny. I really don’t don’t know why I want the DH, other than I just feel like American League teams are benefitting from having it. They have more talent, and have had it for the last 5-8 years or so. It might not be the DH, could just be that they have more large market teams and the talent level across the two leagues just comes and goes. But for some reason I always think of the DH. It’s a subject I haven’t exactly have a firm, 100% stance on, I guess.
Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season…
Dump Gonzo and MFIKY and get C.C.!
Use Petey-Pabb as the Closer and let Easy-E be the set up man!
September 23rd, 20093:42 pm
On the ALL-Star game
IMHO the All-Star lost some of it’s pizzaz due to overexposure. Used to years ago you only got the Saturday game of the week and you watched it no matter who was playing because it’s all you got. Now days every team televises and you have ESPN showing all the highlights several times a day,and internet and so forth. There isn’t much “mystery” left in the game now. THere is no feeling of “I can’t wait to see this particular star I’ve heard so much about but haven’t seen.” We see them daily if we desire to!
September 23rd, 20093:43 pm
Looking at the Rockies remaining schedule and the Bravos schedule, there is still a glimmer of hope. Won’t it be a shame when the Braves finish a game or 2 out of the playoffs and we look back and wonder if only?:
If only Hanson had been in the rotation right out of spring training.
If only Bobby hadn’t stuck with KJ and Shaffer for 2 months.
If only we didn’t have the hole in the lineup that was Francour for 3 months.
If only Bobby hadn’t kept Norton on the team and kept sending him up there for meaningful, game winning impact ABs.
And if we lose out by just 1 game, if only Bobby hadn’t pulled Hanson after the 8 inning gem against the Astros.
I can think of a few other games in the year where Bobby made or didn’t make a move that had me scratching my head. I’m sure there are those regulars on this blog that have paid more attention than me and could cite many such instances. I think an old adage is that managerial moves really only affect the outcome of 15-20 games a year and usually it’s split even between wins and losses that the manager is responsible for, the rest is just talent. Anyone want to guess if Bobby was responsible for more wins than losses this year?
September 23rd, 20093:44 pm
DOB, Did you go see Jane’s Addiction play with NIN this summer. The show was amazing. Maybe the last time for me to see both. I hope the Braves make the playoffs, but even if they don’t it’s been fun to watch them the last couple of weeks. They didn’t roll over and die…as a life long fan I really appreciate the Braves playing their hardest even after the season is “over”.
September 23rd, 20093:45 pm
Tomahawkin, Tampa Bay has a club option on Crawford for next year. Word was that they traded Kazmir to free up money to keep Crawford.
September 23rd, 20093:46 pm
And go Pens! Friday, October 2nd opener agaisnt the Rangers. Can’t wait for the NHL season to start.
September 23rd, 20093:47 pm
Born2Buzz – Norton didn’t win any games this year, but he didn’t lose any either. A pinch-hitter is responsible for that one at-bat and nothing more.
September 23rd, 20093:49 pm
Efrim…Go Thrashers and Go Braves. I got tickets to the Braves last game vs Nationals and I’m still hoping to see a playoff clinching win
i don’t think we have much of a chance… however… 6 of Colorado’s remaining 11 games are against the Cardinals and Dodgers. And they also have a series against Milwaukee… it is possible for the Rockies to go 5-6 the rest of the way. just not very probable.
but still, we’d have to go 10-1 just to force that 1-game playoff. (still kinda makes you wish the Braves would have won that last game against Colorado before the break, don’t it)
September 23rd, 20093:50 pm
nobody wants to believe more than me! But aren’t I right in thinking that if the Braves (or any team) were playing, say, even a high school baseball team, wouldn’t it be hard to win 10 in a row of anything?
but i’m stilll going to be there with my roasted peanuts tonight….listening to Don Sutton on the radio.
September 23rd, 20093:52 pm
Born2Buzz: Just think if we had another manager we would be 162-0. Damn Bobby. He also got us many wins by putting Moylan in at the exact moment to get a double play if that’s your reasoning. Too much emphasis on the manager. IMO
A Braves Fan in Dawg Country
Thanks for a great explanation. When I saw the comment criticizing the AJC reports, I meant to post and say that he surely didn’t mean your work. We Braves fans really appreciate the work you (and Carrol) put in. But thanks for the great explanation of all you have to consider before you write an article. The guy posting seemed to be a real Braves fan, and as such, has to love your work. Think he must have really meant all those non-beat-writer guys …
September 23rd, 20093:53 pm
<strong)DOB, I know you told another blogger on the other blog, that you don’t have time for LOST (totally understand – there is about a half dozen, or more shows that I would LOVE to get into, but have no time), and also you stated that it didn’t do much for you after a couple of episodes. I also completely understand that, I didn’t watch the first season, but caught enough of it with my wife and mom getting into it.
But once you get into the season about 6 or 7 episodes, your pretty much hooked. Best writing of any show on regular networks (I think FX, HBO and Showtime have more room to be more “real” with the issue of language and content, that the networks can’t – or choose to not – get away with), and pretty much spend 6 months itching for that show to start. Though, I would say that House is a close 2nd or maybe even better, but different. LOST is much deeper than house, and requires you to pretty much pay attention to every second and detail. Some people don’t like to do that, but you don’t strike me as one, that wouldn’t like having to think while watching a show.
With it ending this season, that would free you up to buy or rent it on DVD sometime next year, which I completely recommend. I don’t know anybody that has given it a full season, that isn’t completely enthralled by it, and can walk away.
Then again, I watch American Idol, so don’t take my word for it.
September 23rd, 20093:54 pm
When asked about the possibility of a manger not coming back whats a player to say? “That would be great?” I don’t doubt Diaz’ sincerity. I would like a coach who instilled confidence in me and gave me a chance to play semi’regularly too. But what has that got to do with your manager sitting on his hands and watching Lowe or Vazquez have a meltdown on the mound and not doing anything about it until the game is out of hand? No player in his right mind would ever come out and say that “Skip made a mistake yesterday leaving Lowe in for so long, cost us the game!?” Maybe they do off record like DOB said he couldn’t write about, but I sincerely doubt that a player would ever throw his coach under the bus like that to any writer, especially for a manager who is known for never throwing his players under the bus!
September 23rd, 20093:55 pm
Kelly Johnson Fan Club,
KJ’s had two starts this month. Something tells me he’s not on Bobby’s Christmas card list.
September 23rd, 20093:56 pm
You heard about the new Tom Petty + Heartbreakers 4-disc live anthology? Supposed to be full of good stuff .. just google it ..
also: you had a chance to pick up the new Big Star boxed set?
September 23rd, 20093:57 pm
My feelings about the DH aren’t rooted in any kind of statistical reasoning. I’ve never liked it, but I know the union would never get rid of it in the AL. I’d like to see the same rule applied to the AL and NL. If that means the DH is in the NL, so be it. It ain’t no skin off my a**.
I’ll never hate the Phils or Mets. We’ve owned the Mets in my lifetime and, well, the whole “Phils as hated rivals” thing has just never caught on in my mind. I suppose it’s because I grew up watching the Braves in the NL West. That’s when I formed my hate. (Well, aside from the Yankees, that is.) You’ve grown up with the Mets and Phils being division opponents. I can see why you wouldn’t have any use for them.
September 23rd, 20093:58 pm
Yeah I know about why the Kazmir trade happened…
But at the same time they have a lot of players that are Arb eligible as well. That is my reasoning as to why we need to steal Crawford, given today’s economy he can be had for 3 yrs 30mil
September 23rd, 20093:59 pm
I didn’t pay attention to the BC/FR Story…why…Because was not true.
That incident that Bobby in ST pack his stuff…Bolognee….First, John Smoltz Sing with the Boston red sox in January 13,2009, ST not start until Feb 12…If that incident happen probably was in Wren office In Atlanta in DECEMBER OR JANUARY.
September 23rd, 20094:00 pm
Take no offense DOB. Yahoo Sports is decidedly Tabloid. They don’t give a crap about fact checking and they don’t have standards… if it seems sort of viable they’ll run with it. They want eyes on thier site they don’t care about accuracy.
Looks Like Cox Is Coming Back
September 23rd, 20094:01 pm
Then again, at the same time I thought Nate Dawg was the leadoff hitter we needed…But Bobby refuses to utilize his speed and the running game for that matter. If we Get Crawford, somehow, Bobby will calcel his running game on the bases and that’s what makes him unique.
Carl Crawford has been the 2000’s version of Marquis Grissom
Michael (Kalamazoo, MI)
What is Mike Minor’s potential. I realize he was 21 in A-ball but he dominated late in the year. I guess my real question is what does his stuff project to? Top of the rotation or a backend/bullpen type?
He has solid if unspectacular stuff, and he really knows how to pitch. I think he’s a future No. 3 starter, but if you really like him, I guess you could talk yourself into calling him a No. 2.
Guess we are trying to build our rotation like it was in the 90’s.
Hanson, Jurrjens, and Manor. = Smoltz, Maddux, Glavine
September 23rd, 20094:02 pm
Totally sold out Lost fan, but defintely not a show that you can just jump in the middle of and have clue what’s going on. Outstanding acting from actors I didn’t even know existed before watching the show. That speaks of great writing. Be interesting to know what your theories are. I watch it with my 15 year old daughter who loves it also, and aside from an occassional love scene don’t have to worry too much about the content. Greatest mystery of alltime on TV.
Cox will be back Next Year, “Bank On It!”
It will be like pulling teeth to get him resign, but he and TP need to go…
September 23rd, 20094:03 pm
That is my reasoning as to why we need to steal Crawford
Yes, absolutely, the Braves need all the .450-slugging OFs they can get for 8-figure deals, don’t they?
Anytime difficult decisions are made people squabble. Men are known to argue loudly about it and then let it go. This is probably the extent of it. Knowing Bobby, if anything were a really pressing issue he just wouldn’t talk about it.
September 23rd, 20094:04 pm
My money is on KJ not being back with us next year!
September 23rd, 20094:05 pm
Minor was taken largely because Roy Clark is in love with Tom Glavine and always tries to find another Tom Glavine in the draft (see Dan Meyer). So yeah, Minor is very comparable to Tom Glavine. Not that he’ll work out that well. But he might.
September 23rd, 20094:06 pm
I hope Bobby’s back in 2010. I won’t be able to stand that for long. Should be fun.
As reported on 680theFan:
Bobby will be back for 2010, and retire at year’s end.
September 23rd, 20094:07 pm
If Bobby’s back that means Greg Norton will be back. UGH!!!
September 23rd, 20094:09 pm
Norty’s hitting the ball right at ‘em, AustinBrave. He’ll be fine.
Must win tonight. We can finally solidify our hold on the runner-up spot in the WC race. Then we can see if COLORADO can be run down.
September 23rd, 20094:10 pm
BREAKING NEWS? Eh?
September 23rd, 20094:11 pm
Just reading between the lines here but things are pointing to this being Bobby’s farewell homestand. Wren call the comments in the article inaccurate which means which means they need tweaking not that they were completely false. Bobby will go out with a winning team and likely be kicked upstairs. There is much to build on with the Braves, so he isn’t leaving the cupboard bare for the next manager. Who want be TP. Wren wants is own man running the team not one of Bobby’s compadres.
CRAQWFORD’s numbers don’t look that great for the money do they?
As soon as I read the thing about Bobby packing his car, I knew it was BS. Whether he can still manage or not, he’s the kinda loyal “company guy” who’d never do such a thing. I don’t believe he’d ever do anything to put the Braves in a bad light, regardless of circumstances.
There are many more positive things about Bobby than negative; it’s a shame the most glaring negative happens to be quickly-deteriorating managerial skill.
September 23rd, 20094:12 pm
KJFC: Nice link…
1 year contract is signed. Deal is done.
Marc in FL
- Glad Bobby’s coming back, I’ll argue with anyone that thinks he’s cost us more games than any other manager has their team this year and hasn’t won us more games than any other manager has for their team. I don’t think he’s the best strategist (There’s a certain trio in the AL that are tried for that title IMO), but I do think he’s good on the field and the best player manager in the game. The only thing he may be truly guilty of is loving too much.
- I hope both Gonzo and MFIKY come back next year, but understand if only one is resigned (and feel pretty confident only one will be resigned)
- I still say Hudson is walking for more money with another team at the end of the year (which is fine, we don’t really need more starters)
- We need a big right handed bat like no tomorrow, or a good switch hitter will suffice. Berkman or Lee are the biggest candidates and we could afford either with Hudson, Gonzo/MFIKY, Anderson, and church coming off the payroll. Wish we would have gotten Morales in the Tex trade, or anyone other than Kotchman (Wren’s only bad move thus far).
- I have a funny feeling McLouth is going to have a career year next year. I think Wren got him cause he’s getting ready to peak. Just a hunch really.
- Liking our chances next year, this team as a lot to be happy about going forward.
September 23rd, 20094:13 pm
I vote for DAVE BRUNDIGE at GWINNETT.
Excuse me while I blow my mother loving brains out.
Wait till next year… 2011.
We need to let Huddy go…12 mill plus Garrett’s 3 mill and KJ’s 2 mill equal the 5 year 85 million contract that would bring Matt Holliday here…Medlen,Minor,Parr and JOJO can battle for the 5th spot.
ncscoots, Yes, absolutely, the Braves need all the .450-slugging OFs they can get for 8-figure deals, don’t they?
i know its not exactly the same thing, but i subtracted crawford’s caught stealing from his stolen base totals, and added it to his total base number, and his slugging% came out to be .530. so, the fact that he steal so many bases increases his value a ton.
September 23rd, 20094:14 pm
If it’s true that Cox is coming back, again, sadly I say:
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I was hoping he would step aside, gracefully…
And Choppy is hitting the corners with all his pitches, too, LOL. Norty would be happy just to be in the same zipcode of that kind of good. C’mon, Kid!
September 23rd, 20094:15 pm
BC’s back. Fine by me. DAVE B. can wait another year.
DOB since as you say Gordon Edes is a former collegue and is a friend of yours, do you not consider it unusual he didnt call and ask you about it, sometime back in April (Im assuming he didnt)? And if he did, Im not suggesting you should have published it; not at all. Just wondering if you guys would discuss that; same for if you heard something about Boston.
September 23rd, 20094:16 pm
But once you get into the season about 6 or 7 episodes, your pretty much hooked. (N8)
nah I watched 2.5 years and never got hooked. Way too dense and wanders all over the place. It rates as one of the most overrated shows on TV IMO. If you did want to get started, the only realistic way would be to go back and start with season one epi one which is likely a l;arge part of his no time comment.. way too much mythology to understand otherwise.I’m a scifi/fantasy fan for 50+ years but it does nothing for me. It’s all just personal taste, but I can understand his thinking on it
Oh and I forgot KJ is probably coming off the payroll too, we really could resign both Gonzo and MFIKY and still have money to trade for a big right handed bat.
@mlbCoz is reporting on twitter that BC has signed a one year extension
September 23rd, 20094:17 pm
The Braves twittered it, so it shall be. Tweeted it? I feel like a jackass for even typing that.
Anyhoo, glad to see Bobby back for one more year. They will make noise next year.
i know its not exactly the same thing
DAP, that’s like saying my aunt is not exactly my uncle, LOL.
Day late and $ short… should have checked the comments… my bad
If TP is hired away by Hamstrung Hamstrings Of America, look for Ed Norton to be 2010 batting coach.
Someone please tell me what MFIKY means…
September 23rd, 20094:18 pm
Social Distortion is coming to Hilton Head! Social Distortion is coming to Hilton Head! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Great choice of song today, Mr. O’Brien. Nothing’s Shocking is one of the great American punk albums of all time. (Gee … can’t imagine why you didn’t pick “Pigs in Zen.”). Still pop it into the CD player every so often.
Did Edes just get one source for the Cox-Wren spat? He is a good writer and a very knowledgeable baseball scribe (used to read his stuff in the Globe before he hit the silk from that teetering plane). Wouldn’t any writer with any Boston connection in the last five years be chastened from the Herald’s Patriots taping the Rams walkthrough story that turned out to be rubbish?
Braves also announce that all coaches will return for 2010 as well. Bobby will retire at the end of 2010 and remain in an advisory capacity with the Braves through 2015.
Carl Crawford is a free agent at the end of the season (T Hawkin)
there is a club option I believe
Here’s my 2 cents regarding next year’s roster- while I would love to see a Bay or Holliday signing, I think it’s more realistic that we could get a 2-year deal for LaRoche and a 1-year deal with option for Jermaine Dye. Dye has been terrible since the break, but his career averages suggest that he’s playing through something and his age, 35, should have another year or two left. If this team has those two in the lineup for the whole year, along with Heyward/Diaz, I think we have the pitching to win. We’ll have to trade/not resign one of KK, Hudson, Vazquez, and we need a closer (Bobby loves Pete too much in “need a groundball” situations for him to be it- think Billy Wagner here), but a combo of these deals might improve the offense enough for us to be consistent and keep the payroll in a realistic range.
scoots, but you get the point. a guy that steals 50 bases has value beyond what his OPS is.
September 23rd, 20094:20 pm
You GUYS get excited about a NOSE BLEED. Bobby NEEDS to GO! He is the MOST overrated manager in the GAME!! 14 CHAMPIONSHIPS….ONE WS??? The BEST thing he CAN do is PICK HIS NOSE to the 3rd JOINT!!
September 23rd, 20094:21 pm
They just announced Bobby is retiring after the 2010 season…….discuss
Nova Scotia Steve -
So long Bobby Cox….We have one more year folks!
September 23rd, 20094:22 pm
We can point our fingers to different person as the reason to our misery in 2009:
1. Inside the organization———– Cox
2. Braves player ———————– Chipper
3. Braves opposing team ——— phillies
4. Braves opposing player ——- Howard
Look no further, those 4 ingredients have taken care of our playoff chances.
“”Minor was taken largely because Roy Clark is in love with Tom Glavine”"
Buck Owens is twirling in his grave….
What does MKIKY mean???
Are you guys saying DOB throws softball questions like the 5 Sunday morning shows did to Obama on Sunday…why did they avoid ACORN and Van Jones questions….because like DOB said they will get canned like beat writers would, or banished, or left out like how Obama froze out Fox News.
September 23rd, 20094:23 pm
should be MFIKY
Fill the team with sub .300 ERA pitchers, great middle relievers and a top notch closer and very good to great hitters up and down the lineup and get him a “Big Bopper of a cleanup hitter and some guys off the bench who can actually hit the ball and you’ll see how great a manager he is!! Inspite of himself! LOL!
What are our chances to go 9-2 the rest of the way?, Id say, they are good, I would even say they are very good, since I think we are on a 9 game winning streak when not facing the philliesand 10-2 in the last 12.(Muts, nats, fla, nats)
What are the chances for the rockies to go 4-7? Id say close to none. (sd, cards, mil, lad)
September 23rd, 20094:24 pm
Wait till next year… 2011. Mitchell
no real reason to assume he won’t be back in 2011 either dude. besides you’d have to be a sharpshooter to hit something that small
nolie, I’d say Lost hit a slump two seasons ago, and it did indeed wander. At times, incomprehensibly, LOL. But I love that sucker overall. It’s just bizarre enough to make me endure the willing suspension of disbelief. Guess that makes me kinda like the folks here who love bunting, LOL.
Drive by blogger
September 23rd, 20094:25 pm
Jake… you’re so witty and original. When I grow up, I hope to be just like you.
Next year will be Bobby’s last. He will do the farewell tour. Not many managers get to do that with dignity. Bobby deserves it.
What does MFIKY mean???
You Are All Cox Apologists
Now that I think of it….I’m really going to miss Cox
September 23rd, 20094:26 pm
Necromancer, 4:17 pm … “Someone please tell me what MFIKY means…”
I’m pretty sure it stands for “My friend, I kiss you.” because Soriano has such a pleasant, easy-going demeanor on the mound.
Nova Scotia Steve - Goodbye Booby Cox
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i know its not exactly the same thing, but i subtracted crawford’s caught stealing from his stolen base totals, and added it to his total base number, and his slugging% came out to be .530. so, the fact that he steal so many bases increases his value a ton. (DAP)
you are kidding about that, right? wow!
Why is it so hard to see that since July, when the current lineup was set, that the Braves have played .600 ball? Why?
Why is it so hard to agree that Bobby directly influenced those roster moves? Why?
Why is it so hard to be happy about starting next year with essentially a .600 ball club and their manager? Why?
My god, but there are some dense people in the world.
September 23rd, 20094:27 pm
Let’s HIRE a TOP NOTCH coach THAT has a PULSE (transfusion)! Bobby best at picking BOOGERS and getting THROWN out of games( A RECORD that he thinks is important)..to rally the TROOPS!
But that value doesn’t fit the Braves’ needs, therefore, it means absolutely diddley. That’s what I was addressing in the nut-job’s original post.
September 23rd, 20094:28 pm
Thanks. Trying to figure out that acronym has costed me a few nights of sleep!
September 23rd, 20094:29 pm
nscoots – Lost got a little draggy when they were trying to stretch it out to fill episodes. But once they set an end date? Damn, did it get amazing again…
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