3:08 pm September 21, 2009, by David O'Brien
September 21st, 20093:17 pm
September 21st, 20093:21 pm
beekay, church makes $2.8mil this season, so i dont think the braves can keep him for under $3mil.
my idea is to get rid of kawakami, johnson and church, resign soriano, laroche, and bring in mike cameron.
i think it makes us a better team overall, and well within our financial ability.
September 21st, 20093:28 pm
I think they need to retain Laroche AND add a power bat in the outfield, but that might not be in their budget.
18 Wheels of Love
September 21st, 20093:29 pm
Awesome reading, thanks!
DOB, check out the new Q-Tip….good stuff.
Mid Town Joe
September 21st, 20093:34 pm
September 21st, 20093:38 pm
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It would not surprise me at all if the Braves pull a “Hansen” next year with Hayworth. Start him in AAA next year ’til about June 1st, then, call him up. Providing though that he performs again next year like he did this year in the minors. Freeman probably needs at least 1 full year in AAA. That’s why think the Braves might offer Rochy only 1 year. I’d be surprised if it’s 2 years.
September 21st, 20093:42 pm
Freeman may need to start the year at Double-A and prove that he can perform at that level. He didn’t really do that well there, which is understandable, considering he was 19 going on 20. Very young for Double-A.
7th? I’m awesome.
September 21st, 20093:43 pm
Thanks for the new Blog, Chief! Yeah, this rain is bad…we have a sinkhole-type thingy in our backyard that fills up like a small pond when it rains enough–and apparently last night it really overflowed ’cause a lot of the pea-pebbles that were under our deck washed out all over the yard. And from the looks of the grass this morning, I would guess that’s not the only part of our yard that “flooded”.
Yes, the Braves definitely need another power bat…to bat cleanup, of course.
On the bright side, BMac has an outside chance at 100 RBI–just needs 12 more! And if he keeps hittin’ the way he’s been hitting, well, doesn’t seem impossible!
September 21st, 20093:44 pm
Crap, I was 8th. I’m not awesome.
I’d like to see the Braves pull a Hansen with Hayworth. I don’t know who those guys are, or what that even means, but it sounds like a winning strategy.
You all are Cox apologists
September 21st, 20093:45 pm
OF COURSE THEY NEED POWER!
Uh, DOB, that’s obvious. Great journalism and hard work!
Seriously though, the Braves need new management, new faces, and new leadership. The business-type approach is STALE and we need a NEW VOICE in the clubhouse.
YOUR AN IDIOT if you think Cox should return as manager of this team. PERIOD.
It’s BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that Cox has worn out his managerial welcome in Atlanta. WREN, if by any small chanCe you’re reading this blog, please do me and thousands of other Braves fans a favor and NOT allow Cox to return. He’s killing us.
Cox=heartless, gutless baseball.
Chipper WILL have a better year next year (too much pride not to!)
But, we’ve GOT to get a true #4 hitter behind him to protect him!
LaRoche needs to be retained, but he has flourished hitting lower in the order! He does not do well in the 4 hole. His stats bear that out!
September 21st, 20093:47 pm
efrimI think they need to retain Laroche AND add a power bat in the outfield, but that might not be in their budget.
i think they can do it if they make the right moves, including getting rid of a couple of guys who will be paid way to much for what they add to the team (johnson, church).
TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)
September 21st, 20093:51 pm
Just read what Bradley wrote and I’m blown away! The Braves have outscored their opponents by 74 runs and won 79 games while the Fish have outscored their’s by 7 and have 80 wins? Anybody else feel like no team can possibly have that bad of luck and maybe it’s the freakin manager? Holy sh**, if Cox doesn’t retire then he’s not only stubborn, but selfish.
And a big NO to Pendelton… too much influence from Bobby the last few years can’t be a good thing.
This should be Frank Wren’s shopping list:
1. A new manager.
2. A leadoff guy with speed, who can reach base, steal, and play good defense in the OF.
3. A true cleanup hitter to play 1B..hopefully better than LaRoche.
4. A reliable closer.
5. A defensive upgrade in RF…I’m thinking Jason Heyward.
1 Speed guy CF
2 Prado 2B
3 Escobar SS
4 Power guy 1B
5 McCann C
6 McLouth/Diaz LF
7 C Jones 3B
8 Heyward RF
"I am a Cox apologist"
September 21st, 20093:52 pm
WREN, if by any small chanCe you’re reading this blog
Even if WREN is reading the blog, I bet he SKIPS over posts with randOm capitAlization.
i’m affraid prado won’t hit next year-just like kelly-
if we keep Laroche, we could deal KK for hermida, ryan ludwick, nick swisher. i think for dunn or fielder would take vazques or hudson.
September 21st, 20093:53 pm
“Hayworth”? Sounds like a name of a horse, Chop Chop.
September 21st, 20093:55 pm
You Are All blah blah: No, I think we all agree it’s you doing the hard work. It’s not easy writing the same boring, obnoxious comment 12 times a day. Tip of the cap to you, sir.
Panties in a wad
September 21st, 20093:56 pm
DOB what’s a realistic timeline for Heyward and Freeman to be ready to start at the major league level? I wouldnt want either to have a Schaffer type experience up here. And did Schaffer get damaged beyond repair by his brutal experience here?
September 21st, 20093:57 pm
Chipper rebounds to hit 20-25
McCann doesn’t slump and hits 20-25
LaRoche gets a 2-year deal, hits 25-30
McClouth for a full season hits 15-20
Heyward shines as a rook with 15-20
Yunel continues his improvement, 15-20
That’s pretty reasonable, isn’t it?
September 21st, 20093:59 pm
Sorry ’bout the Hayworth vs Heyward and Hansen vs Hanson. Honest screw-ups.
I’d like to see the Braves pull a Hansen with Hayworth.
I think they should trade them both for Grace Kelly. But they’d probably have to throw in Medlin and that’s just not gonna happen. Ren is and idiot.
September 21st, 20094:00 pm
Do we really want two years of first half Adam LaRoche though?
September 21st, 20094:01 pm
Javy Vazquez and Freddie Freeman for Prince Fielder. Milwaukee desperately needs an arm and has supposedly considered dealing Prince before. Prince and Javy are both under contract through next year with Prince scheduled to make $10.5 million – so it works within the context of the 2010 budget.
September 21st, 20094:03 pm
In Bobby’s defense… I’ve been a fan of his team since I was 10 years old and I will always respect him as a manager for what he brought to the Braves. Losing will make the average fan point straight to the manager, but it’s not always fair. I just feel too many times, this year especially, our team could be one of the best, but dumb or stubborn moves have cost us. I think it just deflates the guys there(pops the air out of the balloon).
September 21st, 20094:04 pm
Sign Laroche to a three year deal worth 24 million with NO TRADE CLAUSE, and call up Jason Heyward to be the starting right fielder from the get go. The guy is ready, he really raked this year, and put up a show in spring training. He is definitely ready.
Trade Kawakami for some quality relievers. The Brewers need starting pitching, maybe a todd Coffey, and Mark Difelice for Kawakami deal. The Dodgers need a starter, maybe they’d be willing to trade George Sherrill or Ramon Troncoso for Kawakami.
Enter your comments hereWhat about Milton Bradley now that he’s out in Chicago? Cheap with power for possibly Lowe. We save $13mil for bradly at $7mil.
September 21st, 20094:07 pm
Mike, why would you want that fat thug Fielder here over Vazquez when you can keep Javy and LaRoche? I wouldn’t think losing Javy AND LaRoche for fat boy with some pop in his bat will benefit the team.
“Trade Kawakami for some quality relievers”
I doubt we could. The market probably just isnt there even if the Braves ate a big part of his salary. The solution may be to put him in the bullpen as the setup guy if Gonzo leaves through free agency or long relief if MG stays.
Why in the world would Bobby give Brian the day off yesterday. Given that LaRoche and Yunel were out of the lineup, Brian’s bat needed to be in there, especially when the rain delay removed Cliff Lee from the game.
The Braves needed to win that game, and needed more offense to accomplish that.
September 21st, 20094:08 pm
Yeah, I’ve been wondering the same. The only other option would be to get a sub-par first baseman for a year as a stop gap until Freeman gets here and that won’t do us any favors next year. Whether it be in the first half or second half, La Roche would still total 25-30. We would just be hoping that a solid two-year deal in Atlanta provides him with the stability and security he needs to possibly produce better in the first half. That’s just a hope and a prayer though.
Does anyone on this board think that Jordan Schafer will be our starting Centerfielder next year?
September 21st, 20094:09 pm
DAP…I like your plan. How is Cameron’s defense these days? Has he lost a step, yet?
Ron in Mobile
I recomend that for a real men of genuis commercial.
Make it a Bud Light Mr composer of the repetitive douche bag blog comments. Day after day you scream to the world what an enourmous chum you are. We know your not afraid to use CAPS…cause thats just how you roll
September 21st, 20094:11 pm
Also, Freeman’s no sure thing either. He struggled shortly after he got to AA. Plus he only hit like 8 HR this year.
I have never seen this much rain in my life. Wow
September 21st, 20094:12 pm
I hope that Jordan will be our starting CF. He would be our speedy lead-off guy that we’ve been missing for quite some time. Its just hard to say that he will be when he’s had so many setbacks (suspension, sub-par play, injury, etc).
I meant with no no trade clause. I shouldn’t worry about that, considering the Braves have a team policy of not giving those.
What in the world makes you refer to Fielder as a thug?
September 21st, 20094:13 pm
YAACA=brainless, clueless blogging.
Whether he’s right about Cox or not, LOL. Haven’t checked Bobby’s GORP recently.
lol @ Ron in Mobile
September 21st, 20094:14 pm
Probably the whole “Where the F*** is Mota?! Imma knock down this door!” incident. Either that or he’s a racist.
September 21st, 20094:16 pm
Passing on a 3-year deal for a potential 30 home run bat due to concerns over blocking a 20 year old who hasn’t mastered AA yet would be a huge mistake. Worry about tomorrow tomorrow, in this case. We’ve got a potentially dominant starting staff that needs some offensive support. LaRoche is not the end-all solution, but he is an easy piece of the puzzle. He’s not going to stick it to you as far as payroll is concerned and he wants to be here. We’re going into this offseason in dire need of some offensive firepower. There’s an easy one standing in his waiting-at-the-bus-stop stance right in front of you. Don’t let this one get away.
September 21st, 20094:18 pm
Hmmm…I missed that incident. Sounds to me a little like that fire that people keep on talking about the Braves needing.
September 21st, 20094:19 pm
Vazquez and Freeman for Fielder is an interesting idea. What are the terms on Fielder’s current contract? It would be the arm for bat trade we need, keep salaries even, and provide us with a for sure young, talented first baseman, rather than a possible talented and young first baseman. We’d be kicking ourselves tho when Freeman is making 400k and ripping it up for the Brewers (see Andrus, Wainwright, etc).
September 21st, 20094:20 pm
I wonder how much Hoffman costs this offseason?
Next year, the Braves have questions at 1B, 2B, LF and RF.
I hope they resign LaRoache, even if its for 3 years. Because if Freeman is ready, they can trade Adam at the trade deadline during the 2011 season. Wouldnt Adam be more attractive that way, because a team that trades for him would have him under contract for one and a half seasons.
At 2B, we still dont know if Prado is the full time solution, and KJ needs to go. In LF, is Diaz the full time starter? And who plays RF until Heyward is ready?
So many issues for Frank Wren this offseason, not to mention the fact that we have 6 starting pitchers, Soriano and Gonzales are free agents, and our bullpen is inconsistent. And (hopefully), we will be looking for a new manager.
September 21st, 20094:25 pm
ncscoots, I called for a trade foe Carl Crawford this morning, I thought you would jump on the bandwagon since you like speed so much,lol.
September 21st, 20094:26 pm
At 2B, we still dont know if Prado is the full time solution
Uh-oh. Heading for the fallout shelter, LOL.
I’m all for keeping LaRoche, but he is not the power bat we need. Adam seems to do better hitting down in the order. Braves need to find a way to get Holliday or Bay.
September 21st, 20094:27 pm
CB, oh, no, you didn’t?!? Next thing I know, you’ll be touting Chone Figgins and Ryan Freel, LOL. Dastardly, you are.
What does Prado need to do to show he is “the full time solution”?
Fielder made a mistake and let his emotions get the better of him. But that doesn’t make him a thug. Wow, I hate that word.
LaRoche is completely fungible so losing him should not enter into the equation at all. He is a good player but guys like him at 1B are a dime a dozen.
The Braves are loaded with starters and should leverage that. Plus, Prince is only 25 so assuming they could resign him, they should get his best years.
September 21st, 20094:29 pm
Show that he can be consistent over a full season
September 21st, 20094:32 pm
Don’t forget we could use a bullpen also except maybe for EOF and Petey. Look at the number of times this year when we have scored more runs than our starting pitcher has allowed but we lost the game. Look at the shutouts turned into losses… the times the bullpen turned big leads into save opportunities or losses. Unless our starters suddenly start getting 8 or 10 CGs a year or we pick up 3 or four guys that hit 30-40 dingers a year, our bullpen will still be our bigest liability in 2010.
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I think Soriano and Gonzo both walk…I’m a big fan of Gonzo but i’d rather have Soriano if we can keep him.
Try to trade Kawakami and if both relivers walk and minus G. Anderson that frees up close to $20 million.
I think we should try to re-work a three year-deal to keep Tim Hudson and sign LaRoche to a two year deal in the area of 7-7.5 million per season.
Hopefully we’ll have somewhere in the area of 7-9 million left to get someone who can hit us 20-25 homers in left field…then we’ll need a closer to address the bull-pen in a bad way.
I’m no GM and please don’t rip the hell out of me…I’m just thinking out loud.
September 21st, 20094:34 pm
Plus, Prince is only 25 so assuming they could resign him, they should get his best years.
Assuming he doesn’t have a heart attack at 26. Seriously, wouldn’t you be a little worried about his future health? Not just his cardio health, but his legs and joints, too. I’m not a big believer that baseball players have to be “athletes”, but Prince looks pretty bad, man.
September 21st, 20094:35 pm
1. Schafer CF
2. McClouth LF
3. Yuni SS
4. Fielder 1B
5. Chipper 3B
6. McCann C
7. Prado 2B
8. Heyward RF
Just an idea…
September 21st, 20094:36 pm
scoots, yeah I was trying to set you up- kind of like when Lew is around and we are talking about Vazquez and Hudson. Just kidding,Lew.
Prado has 400 AB’s, is hitting .298, with 10 homers and 30 doubles, and has respectable .345 OBP.
His career BA is .302 and OBP is .353 in almost 800 plate appearances, with a career OPS of .793, which is good for a 2B. He is not yet 26 and will develop a little more power I’d bet.
September 21st, 20094:37 pm
Wouldn’t the Brewers want young players/prospects that are controllable for many years to come, rather than a free agent to be and one minor league player? I think the trade makes more sense for the Braves than it does the Brewers.
September 21st, 20094:38 pm
CB, speed wounds. Mashers kill. I’m for killing, LOL.
Is Lew around today? Trade Vazquez!
Where’s all this Prince Fielder stuff coming from? Are the loonies taking over again?
September 21st, 20094:39 pm
Efrim, the Brewers would get a good pitcher for a year and a prospect to replace what they’re losing. It may take another prospect to complete, but Javy and Freddie would be the bones of it. It’s just a thought.
September 21st, 20094:40 pm
Looks like Cecil had a 20+ year career and family history is important with that kind of thing. As big as he is he still had a better UZR this year than LaRoche. I don’t know if that matters as much at 1B as I am still trying to understand these advanced stats. It isn’t as if he just lets himself go either. He has tried the whole vegetarian thing in order to control his weight. Personally, he was one of my favorite players to watch. I would love to see the big guy bopping homers for the Bravos.
Someone threw it out as a possible trade option. Just toying with the idea.
September 21st, 20094:44 pm
However, Prince probably isn’t the best move for the Braves. You can’t afford to pass up on a prospect like Freeman and his low cost years. If the Braves are going to invest money in a position, it would make much more sense to throw it into a position where there are no obvious up and coming prospects.
Bobby Cox has done a great job this year, and I sure hope he comes back next year.
I am thankful for the job he and the Braves have done to be “still in the race” this late in the season…it has been awhile.
Sure would like to see them win most of the rest and at least make the wild card…but, nevertheless, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the season, look forward to the last 13 games this year, and look with anticipation toward 2010.
Good job, Braves, Cox, Wren and the whole Atlanta organization.
September 21st, 20094:45 pm
Our backyard is flooded…got some good photos of it.
September 21st, 20094:46 pm
Danga, you could be right, re the family history thing. But, I don’t think his dad ever looked quite that loaded, did he? Though that could be my selective memory coming into play, too. I’m not trying to beat on Prince, BTW; I’d have the same reservations about any human carrying that kind of weight on that frame.
LaRoche has exactly as many HR with the Braves than he had in half the games with the Pirates.
Was really trying to tell if this comment was for real or dripping with sarcasm. lol
Cue long, strangely capitalized rants.
September 21st, 20094:47 pm
cvbraves,you better duck. I see a grenade coming from No More Bobby.
September 21st, 20094:48 pm
Rally must be in heaven.
heaven on Earth….didn’t mean to imply that he was dead.
September 21st, 20094:51 pm
CB: cvbraves,you better duck. I see a grenade coming from No More Bobby.
It’s okay. There are quite a few of us on this blog that know a lot more about baseball than No More Bobby. He doesn’t have a clue!
September 21st, 20094:53 pm
September 21st, 20094:54 pm
Arizona Brave, if I am the Brewers, I am trying to net a haul like the Rangers did for Teixiera. They probably wouldn’t get it, since no team is willing to give up that type of haul in this day and age(other than the Braves….just kidding), but that’s the type of deal I’d expect them to go for. Similar to the situation the Padres are in. If they are dealing Gonzalez(and it doesn’t sound like they will), you need to get several young players/prospects back in the deal. I think the Brewers are farther away from contending than some think. It’s really not that good of a major league team, and their minor league system is quite bad too.
September 21st, 20094:58 pm
Was just looking at Prince’s contract. They better trade him. He is a year away from FA and a Boras client.
September 21st, 20095:00 pm
I’d be fine with Prado full-time at 2B next year. But I’m not so quick to give up on Kelly. Yes, he’s been bad this year, but you don’t necessarily toss someone for that.
2007 (614 PA, age 26) – .795 OPS, 12 HR, 39 2B, 6 3B, 11 SB
2006 (608 PA, age 25) – .831 OPS, 16 HR, 26 2B, 10 3B, 9 SB
He’s heading into his prime years, so let’s not be so hasty. He’s not Francoeur. Yes, he’s streaky, but we’re talking about a likely 7th/8th spot second baseman, not a cleanup hitter.
September 21st, 20095:01 pm
Me, too. This is not fun. Glad I didn’t have work today, I heard the interstates are a mess.
jeffrey d Rally must be in heaven.
Oh yeah, he loves the wet stuff! Matter of fact, I kinda like taking my socks off, putting on my Braves Crocs and hat and going out in the BIG puddles out back (my sister and I have gone out a couple times). My feet are freezing now, but I got some good photos–sis holds the umbrella for me. Totally fun, I gotta tell ya…
But that’s not to say I would like about a week of sun…and the rain last week killed my baby apple tree.
September 21st, 20095:02 pm
Sorry, got the seasons wrong – that’s 2008/2007, lest I fall victim to the “that was 3 years ago!” comments.
September 21st, 20095:04 pm
Forget the Fielder talk. Don’t wanna deal with Boras.
September 21st, 20095:05 pm
I can’t see Kelly back in ATL next season. Not with Prado, Infante and Diory available. Kelly is not too great with the glove and the Braves have mutliple other options which are comparable to Kelly at his best (at bat).
You’re flooded, too, eh? Wow…
Glad I didn’t have work today, I heard the interstates are a mess.
Yeah, it’s bad…we haven’t gone out at all today, either. Well, Dad went to work of course…he’s on his way home now.
I mean, it’s got its moments as far as “fun” goes, but I could live without it…that thunder last night was LOUD!! Had the iPod in to try to block it out so I could fall asleep, but I can’t turn it up loud enough for that. Just glad no trees have fallen…um, so far…
September 21st, 20095:06 pm
Hey now RHR…I never said I thought that Kelly should be counted on as our everyday 2B. I just root for the guy and hope that he’ll one day prove to be consistent. That’s looking less and less likely though.
September 21st, 20095:07 pm
316 wasn’t bad this morning….I got off right before 85, though, and I heard that was nasty
September 21st, 20095:09 pm
that thunder last night was LOUD!!
Wasn’t it?? It kept me up for about 2 hours. Drove the dog crazy too.
Historically, KJ’s OPS is above .800 in every month except for June (.680) and August (.723). Outside of the two months, his lowest OPS is in July, at .801.
Prado’s is above .800 in every month except for May (.598!) and Sept/Oct (.661). Weird – he kills it in April, June and August, and is pretty good in July (.819), so his offense fluctuates month-to-month.
I smell a perfect monthly platoon!
September 21st, 20095:10 pm
My issue with KJ is that he is very streaky. He can be hot for a while (as he was last Septemeber), and then he can be cold (like he has been most of this year). Given the Braves power issues, I dont think they can afford to rely on someone so streaky. But thats my opinion.
I also wonder if Prado can produce over a full season (he has struggled in August and Sept, although that might be due to his headaches and some family issues).
Yup, a little flooding. The yard seems to be going underwater. I heard the thunder last night but I actually fell back asleep. Normally, I’d be wide-awake.
September 21st, 20095:13 pm
glove51 – Prado and Johnson are pretty comparable offensively.
Infante, Hernandez, Conrad? Those guys are not even in the same hitting league. Infante’s a nice utility guy, and the other two are AAAA players.
It really is amazing reading all of you talking about flooding and thunderstorms and California is in the middle of a serious drought with temps getting back close to 100 this week…hope you all stay safe!
September 21st, 20095:16 pm
I would think Kelly could see that he would not be offered arbitration nor would any other team be willing to take him under those conditions. The Braves might offer him a salary in the 1.0 to 1.5mil range. I think he would be wise to accept.
September 21st, 20095:17 pm
cabravesfan, how bout those Niners?
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