1:46 pm September 20, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
September 20th, 200911:07 pm
I’ll take Norton – I need some help moving…
Kelly would fit right in…at least he’s pretty
September 20th, 200911:09 pm
So, jeffrey I don’t care, cab invited me. So, nahhhhhh.
Another pretty boy in Southern Cali, what else is new?
P. W. Hjort
September 20th, 200911:10 pm
Daybed Wagmoe -
How about Vazquez for Prince Fielder?
Trading Prince Fielder means rebuilding for the Brewers. They would want prospects or pre-arb players, not something that is going to help them win now.
Or, if we go for an outfielder, Matt Kemp? Andre Ethier?
Vazquez has a no-trade clause to the AL and NL West teams and can’t be traded without his permission which he likely won’t give.
Well, you make your own argument here:
I don’t see the Brewers trading Braun – apparently he’s Mr. Milwaukee. That’d be like expecting the Braves to trade McCann or Hanson.
Or Francoeu…uh, wait, nevermind.
September 20th, 200911:11 pm
We do have a few…
TnBrian(Vazquez ace 2010)
September 20th, 200911:12 pm
One thing anybody who pays attention to the trade season knows players you hadn’t thought about become available, so anything can happen.
September 20th, 200911:14 pm
That’s just USC guys! Isn’t Medlen from California too?
September 20th, 200911:15 pm
Yes he is…so is Tommy Hanson (and Carson Palmer if you think he’s cute )
September 20th, 200911:18 pm
Great point. Had we even heard anything about Vazquez before the trade actually happened? I know for a fact we didn’t hear anything about McLouth, or Church, or Hudson, or LaRoche, etc.. More times than not, trades largely come out of the blue.
The blog is definitely going downhill now – first, that moron VJ and his girl alternating with jeffrey d and soph, and, now, tyhe young ladies discussing cute SoCal boys (and, yes, I used SoCal to annoy you)
September 20th, 200911:19 pm
September 20th, 200911:20 pm
no, I will not slow down, Mr Blog Police
I’ll just keep going…
September 20th, 200911:21 pm
Carson is good looking. Even Matt Cassel (I think he backed up at USC).
Come and get me….
maybe you should…they typos are stating to add up
September 20th, 200911:22 pm
I think you need to distract CAB with your metal detector, VJ
Long, long, long way to go to catch up (and I am being generous lumping typos with inability to spellings )
“back up” is a loose term for what Cassel did- he even moved to Tight End (insert comment here) for a while just so he could get on the field…
September 20th, 200911:24 pm
I don’t know- you seem to be on a roll tonight
September 20th, 200911:26 pm
jeffrey d – we have an amazing ability to keep our blog conversation totally separate from our real one
September 20th, 200911:28 pm
oooooooh….wonder what’s going on in the real one, eh? *nudge nudge*
September 20th, 200911:29 pm
trust me you don’t want to know
P.W. Hjort — interesting. I wasn’t aware about that specific no-trade clause. You got a link to that anywhere?
lol ya’ll are crazy.
September 20th, 200911:30 pm
jeffrey, they’re probably making fun of you.
Sounds like it wouldn’t be appropriate for McFann’s eyes
jeffrey d – actually, pretty boring – the last two minutes included a lot of expletives from me regarding the game (now, our tertiary conversation on Facebook…)
September 20th, 200911:31 pm
Get your mind out of the gutter!
September 20th, 200911:34 pm
Eli needs to get a td here.
September 20th, 200911:35 pm
soph – I’d take a first down…
I’m just goin with what you give me.
Bedtime for me. You guys turn the lights out when you’re done.
September 20th, 200911:38 pm
Cubs and Cardinals playing a hell of a game…
Yes. Even with ESPN.
I suggest “yall” watch it… (Its on ESPN…)
September 20th, 200911:40 pm
Good night Jeffrey
I suggest “yall” watch it
Maybe JJ is Lentz?
September 20th, 200911:43 pm
Daybed Wagmoe -
Yes. Cot’s Baseball Contracts: Atlanta Braves
September 20th, 200911:44 pm
Eli did his job – come on, Mr Tynes!
September 20th, 200911:46 pm
I hate that “freezing the kicker” crap. It’s so anti-competitive and cheap. Go Giants!
September 20th, 200911:47 pm
My boy, Eli! Great job Lawrence! FU, love of my life!
September 20th, 200911:48 pm
Totally agreed, P W Hjort…
Definitely not. Why don’t you go to bed? You have been off all day…
September 20th, 200911:49 pm
good game, loved seeing the Giants raining on Dallas’s big night
time for me to sign off…
Good night all!
September 20th, 200911:52 pm
September 20th, 200911:53 pm
Soph – thanks!
good night, darling – sleep well!
September 20th, 200911:56 pm
Cubs could be looking to trade Zambrano, Bradley, Soto, and Lee/Fox
So much for their “core.”
Derek Lee, would be a great pick up, much better than re signing LaRoche…
But he would be a rental, he makes 13M, and he has a no trade clause
September 21st, 200912:04 am
ESPN called Fox’s HR the “game winner” before the game was over
September 21st, 200912:10 am
Soph – good night to you – I think it’s that time for me
Bay Area Steve
September 21st, 200912:12 am
September 21st, 200912:32 am
Music lovers and especially rock-guitar aficionados, you gotta see It Might Get Loud. Really good documentary, and seeing Jimmy Paige play with Jack White and the Edge, plus all the old Zep, U2 and White Stripes/Raconteurs footage, on the theatre screen with the great sound system is worth finding it if you can and not waiting for DVD.
Oh, and nice to see deserving Emmy winners — Bryan Cranston, Glenn Close, 30 Rock and Mad Men. Totally agreed with all four of those major-category winners, though I wouldn’t have objected to either Mad Men or Breaking Bad getting best drama.
September 21st, 200912:42 am
Michael Cuddyer for KJ?
September 21st, 200912:46 am
I’m not sure what that grey-colored dude said, so, I’ll just repeat:
Oh, and since this is a Braves-related deal:
Anybody else here can’t decide whether LaRoche is a good idea for the next two or three years? Clearly dude’s been surreal since we got ‘im, but we all remember his first halves. If Freeman hadn’t fallen off so much, I’d say no. But, Freeman’s second-half shows that dude is certainly not can’t-miss.
September 21st, 200912:50 am
Jim Beam for KJ?
Seems like a non-tender certainty. What GM in his right-mind?
Now, if we was Latino, I know a particular Mets employee…
On the other hand, I suppose Dayton Moore is still employed…
Does this get me kicked out of the KJ fan-club?
September 21st, 200912:57 am
As a Braves fan, I’ll take it, but as a Twins fan, I’ll want more…
Cuddyer’s value will never be higher, KJ’s will never be lower…
Wayne in Utah
September 21st, 20091:14 am
Sorry I couldn’t come on earlier during the rain delay, but I bumped my left elbow, and it was sore, too sore to work the keyboard. It’s all I can do to come on here now and add a few words……
It’s time for me to go hide in the training room….er living room.
September 21st, 20091:17 am
KJ’s situation might be a lot like Marcus Giles’ situation a few years back. Can’t get anything for him because the other teams don’t want to go to arbitration with him.
He will probably have to catch on somewhere at a minimal salary, after being released.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Braves give him another shot at 500K to 1 Million range.
Wayne in Utah (Bring me the head of Yunel Escobar)
September 21st, 20091:19 am
where is uga????
September 21st, 20091:38 am
as I wait to see if my pro-Esco (though he’s a mess) post finds a home:
Dude, if you’re thirteen, well done, man. I was a skimmin’, so not sure if my comprehension is even worse than usual, but if you’re truly thirteen, again, well done. You’ve caught my eye for many weeks; keep it up, please.
September 21st, 20091:43 am
Clearly, racism the sole reason my Esco-post was lost…
If a guy whiter than Jim Gaffigan under high-pressure-sodium can’t post belief in Esco…
So, tryin’ to say: dude’s got issues. But, along with the issues, a whole lotta skill. But, the most important factor: the Braves’ll never get anywhere near full-value for him. We need to learn to live with his faults.
September 21st, 20091:48 am
The mere mention of Marcus Giles hurts my heart. Dude had David Eckstein scrap (and top-o-the-chart scoots’ grit stats), to go with major-league talent. But, of course, we learn he juiced more than me before a 49er game.
September 21st, 20091:55 am
Wayne, uga has had more to drink tonight than even me. Dude drinks so much, he tries to fit Fred Flinstone and Count Chocula into every last-call post.
Ok, uga, I only said that because I’m jealous of SEC football; but: NINERS.
And, I’m not sellin’ the Fidelity Fund. I finally got to even, and, f’ it if I lose 35% again. I’m in it to win it, m’ f’ers. Think Jeff Ross, at a Comedy Central Roast: dude is incredibly good.
NO MORE BOBBY
September 21st, 20092:59 am
2009 BRAVES SEASON (and like that another summer gone)
Schafer hits homerun first at bat.
Braves start 2-0. Bloggers post this is our year.
Bobby makes first of many bullpen mistakes to come and Phillies win 12-11.
Braves go from 5-1 to 5-7 really fast.
Bobby gets ejected.
Cox sticks with Johnson and French Boy costing the team offense and victories.
Derek Lowe not quite the number one starter everyone thought he was.
Escobar and Bobby don’t see eye to eye. Bloggers want his head and demand he be traded.
Glavine told thanks but no thanks.
Chipper gets hurt and sits.
We get McClouth from Pirates and realize we really wanted McCutchen.
Braves sweep the Phillies!!!
Gonzo left in game against Nationals and blows lead (this is the turn around point in Braves season to me like the Kelly Johnson pop drop last year against Philly)
We finally give up on French Boy and trade him to the Mets.
Braves have no offense AGAIN and cost Jurrjens another victory.
Mac makes NL all star team.
Escobar starts playing to his potential and is now bloggers favorite player.
Hanson looking like the next big name pitcher for Braves.
Chipper gets old.
Braves get hot on west coast.
Braves come home and not so hot.
Roach is best hitter on team but can’t get out of the number seven spot in lineup.
Braves creep back into playoff contention just to lose 2 of 3 to Padres and swept by the Reds.
Peter Moylans arm falls off.
Chipper says he will retire if next season is same as this one.
Bobby gets ejected (its all he has left folks).
Falcons start season and bandwagon Braves fans are gone.
Rockies win. Braves lose.
World series winner? Rec Sox in six over the Dodgers.
September 21st, 20097:00 am
Bay Area Steve, you are one beautifully disturbed individual. Laughing reading your overnight posts, and that’s saying something considering I’m only on third cup of coffee after getting less than 3 hours’ sleep.
The good news: I’m at airport and my 7:40 a.m. flight is supposed to leave on time.
The bad news: Not sure my house will be here when I get home. Our entire neighborhood is so saturated, I half-expect it to slide en masse down a muddy sinkhole.
Seriously, this rain is insane. I mean, do we only get droughts and rain of biblical proportions these days? Whatever happened to, well, normal weather? I’ve never seen anything like this. I’ve got a bucket behind my house that usually gets an inch or two of rain every few weeks. It collected well over a foot of rain in the past three days.
Oh, and the great to see Breaking Bad, Mad Men, 30 Rock and Damages pick up big awards last night. Of course, the funniest show on TV returned last night — season premiere of Curb Your Enthusiasm. The most laugh-out-loud show since Arrested Development. Hysterically funny last night, as it always is.
Me watching it at 1 a.m., when my cab was due to arrive at 5:45 a.m.? Not so funny. But hey, if I hadn’t been up when the power went out at about 2 a.m., I’d have never set the battery-operated alarm and would have slept right through and missed my flight. So for once, having stupid sleep habits paid off.
September 21st, 20098:02 am
Happy Trials, DOB. Is your flight two by two?
September 21st, 20098:16 am
Jets vs Patriots is all I got on tv here… off to the pub to watch the falcons…. Jets are soooooooo boring (Dogsbrekky)
Picked this post up while perusing the old blog from yesterday. Talk about being less than objective on all things NY. As I’ve stated on here before I’m not a big NFL guy but I happened to be at a party yesterday where they had the game on. It was a playoff caliber atmosphere. Both teams were flying around the field. It went down to the last drive by the Pats and the Jets rather than play the lame prevent D went all out with blitzes etc. And Dogsbrekky leaves to go watch a team that has the longest streak of non consecutive winning seasons in the history of pro sports (Look it up)? The Falcons hope to finally break that streak this year.
Then again, this is the same guy who tried to convince me a month ago that there are more people wearing Braves hats than Mets hats around Manhattan. Priceless.
Mid Town Joe
September 21st, 20098:32 am
Great win for the Jets. I do not like New England. How about dem Bears?
September 21st, 20098:37 am
Bay Area Steve, thanks for the kind words at 1:38am,not planning on going anywhere as I enjoy the banter too much. 48+13=61 is what I am,but the lady of the house would agree with the 13.lol
September 21st, 20098:40 am
DOB I need help. Im in the finals in fantasy this week and have laroche, escobar and hanson on my team. I read a report last week that the braves might skip him a start. Is he going to pitch this week? Any idea how long Laroche and Escobar will be out of the lineup?
Anyone please help. My braves got me here, no i need them to help me win!!!
September 21st, 20099:04 am
Mid Town Joe – I tell you one thing. The NFL is crossing its fingers that the Jets are for real. Between the young quarterback with matinee idol looks and the brash new in your face coach and being a NY team this is a marketing dream for the NFL suits. Plus the Jets/Pats are like the Yanks/Red Sox lite.If this keeps up look for the Jets to get a number of games moved to nationally televised spots later in the season when the networks get those options.
September 21st, 20099:14 am
In yesterdays NY Daily News Bill Madden who’s a nationally respected baseball writer wrote a blurb about the Braves. Part of it was about Cox possibly retiring. He wrote “Braves GM Frank Wren would probably welcome a decision by Cox to retire, as there is no love lost between the two.”
Is this widely known? I have to admit I haven’t seen it written by a pro writer before.
September 21st, 20099:24 am
“Is this widely known? I have to admit I haven’t seen it written by a pro writer before.” – Anders
I’m not sure if it’s widely known, but I have heard it before (also heard that about Cox and Scherholtz). The person I’ve heard the most about it from was a guy who was clubhouse attendant a few years back, and his opnion seemed to be that there has always been some friction between Cox and the front office because they feel he gets too much of the credit for the teams they construct. I honestly have no idea how much validity there is to that claim….just what I’ve heard that seems to go along with what Bill Madden wrote.
Wait until the DOB see’s the nice weather he’s heading into here in NY. Not as nice as the last couple of days we had but compared to where he left…
For the first time he might actually be glad to be in Flushing!
September 21st, 20099:25 am
Anders, ask firetheoldfool or No More Bobby about Cox and Wren. They always offer great insight.
September 21st, 20099:27 am
Sad, sad morning. Between the dim hopes for the Bravos and all this “Noah” rain,
September 21st, 20099:31 am
RC- To be fair, friction between a GM and a manager is not exactly breaking new ground. I just hadn’t heard it with Cox and Wren. No big deal. They can work it out for another year if they have to.
I doubt Wren is crazy about Chipper campaigning for LaRoche however. I mean, Chipper just signed his big new deal and had a very off year. He probably should concentrate on getting his stroke back and leave the roster construction to Wren. The fact that Chipper went so public so early is curious to me. There must be some negative tea leaves out there already from Braves mgt regarding LaRoche already. I’ve said he’d want more years than they want to commit imo.
September 21st, 20099:34 am
bravesgrl4life,put on a happy face. Do you not remember last Sept. when we were trotting out a horrible piching staff and finishing off a terrible season? The sun will come out and we have hope for the future. Smile girlfriend.
September 21st, 20099:37 am
Anders – I heard Peter Pasquarelli make a similar comment about Cox and Wren on the radio yesterday morning…
White Blood Cells
September 21st, 20099:44 am
Thank you for directing me to that article (Bill Madden). I find this fascinating. It probably started with Francouer’s demotion, the treatment of Glavine and Smoltz blah, blah, blah. My brother and I have speculated all year that Wren has given Bobby the rope he needs.
September 21st, 20099:46 am
How about just offering Laroche arbitration? If he accepts it, we’ll see you in spring training. If not, don’t we get a draft pick?
September 21st, 20099:54 am
Also in yesterdays NY Daily News. Joe Montana’s son Nick threw a TD pass to Will Smith’s son Trey for Oaks Christian High School. They reported that Nick Montana played so well that backup QB Trevor Gretzky (Yes, the “Great One’s” son) didn’t get in the game.
How’d you like to have a kid on that team? Talk about trying to keep up with the Jones’!
September 21st, 20099:57 am
Anders, yeah, it’s strange to see that from Madden but fans never really know about those types of relationships, so he could be right.
Jimmy Joe, if Laroche ranks as a Type B free agent, we offer him arbitration and he signs with another team, then yes, we’ll receive a supplemental round draft selection. I think Laroche is making 7 million this year, so my guess is he’ll get around 8.5-9 million through arb. Pretty penny for Laroche, but with Freeman needing another year in the minors, it might make the most sense. But Laroche wants a multi year deal, so years are more important to him than average annual dollars.
September 21st, 200910:00 am
BTW- Joe Montana, Wayne Gretzky and Will Smith were all at the game. How surreal is that for the team they were playing from a neighboring Washington state town?
“Oh yeah, the greatest hockey player of all time, one of the clutchest quarterbacks of all time and one of the best all around entertainment talents of the last 20 years were in the stands at my kid’s game today. I don’t remember of we won or lost?”
September 21st, 200910:07 am
Anders-If only it were the Post we could believe it, right? Daily News? Veritable goldmine of informative thought in New York.
September 21st, 200910:09 am
Lew- Believe it. There’s something going on.
September 21st, 200910:22 am
Does anyone read the blog “Rowland’s Office”?
September 21st, 200910:23 am
I believe Madden’s story. How else can you explain Norton?
September 21st, 200910:24 am
In my opinion, when Bobby Cox realized that LaRoche and Yunel were not in the lineup, he needed to leave McCann in there, especially after the rain delay when Cliff Lee would not be back.
Not enough punch on offense without Brian in there, especially in such an important game.
September 21st, 200910:26 am
Read Mark Bradley, especially #3
Rob from SC
September 21st, 200910:30 am
I would look into Jake Fox’s availability. RH hitter who can mash.
Braves in 2010.
September 21st, 200910:31 am
2010 or bust. Go for broke Frank. Trade anyone in the system that isn’t named Jason Heyward.
After his demotion (Norton), Bobby wanted him back to prove he was correct about the guy. Wren probably washed his hands of the season at this point and just wanted to clean up the roster for 2010 by trading Francouer and Kotchman for 2 players (LaRoche, Church) he would not obligated to in 2010. Look at the money he’ll save: Soriano 6, Gonzalez 4, Johnson 3, LaRoche 7, Church 3 which equals 23 million.
September 21st, 200910:33 am
Imagine if Wren gets real unjust with LaRoche and Chipper demands a trade. It could work out nicely.
September 21st, 200910:36 am
White Blood Cells
September 21st, 2009
Imagine if Wren gets real unjust with LaRoche and Chipper demands a trade. It could work out nicely.
I like it
Ah, good stuff at the Blog Party last night. Good stuff…
And just for the record, I’ve never actually gotten walloped…Haha! Just sayin’ I would if I repeated some of the language on here. But I take it I did indirectly say something I shouldn’t have.
jeffrey d I hope McFann’s parents call her “McFann”
Well, he did make out my ChopTalk subscription to “McFann [our last name]“…
OK, gonna go out in the backyard for a bit…holy schlamoly! That was some serious rain–made a shambles of the backyard–pea-pebbles are everywhere. No fallen trees, though, which is always a good thing. I’ll try to get some pictures.
September 21st, 200910:38 am
I have always heard Cox and Wren didn’t get along well…or at least not like Cox and JS.
If that is true it is easy to see why…Cox is a stick with your guy no matter what kind of man and Wren appears to be a do your job or we’ll find someone else who will kind of man.
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