3:29 pm September 18, 2009, by David O'Brien
September 18th, 200910:29 pm
hmm, Norton must be sick.
keep the hits coming guys.
Brooks Conrad instead of Norton??? I am floored
September 18th, 200910:30 pm
5-4 looks like we might pull this out.. oh.. wait.. nevermind
philly fan doc
@mitch……… Whats your record?? The Mets were the same last year. we were 4out of 6 last year vs the mets at the end of the season. Guess the cream rises to the top when you have to win. IN SEPT. Thats when you have to win,right??
Just nice that the Phils are winning after ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those divisions you guys had.
I still hate Matt Diaz.
Occasionally he gets a break but I wll always hate him. I can’t help it.
Brooks Conrad sighting!
Too bad I didn’t pull up RHR’s bingo card tonight. Betcha I would’ve gotten it too.
September 18th, 200910:31 pm
philly fan doc
How about this, face reality. This postseason there is better competition out there. No young Tampa Bay Rays to beat up on this year. The Yankees and their billion dollar boys club or more experienced and pose a much bigger threat than the feel good rays. Cardinals are sporting a balanced team and if the Giants make it, good luck against those young guns. Now be gone. We prefer intelligent talk if you are going to be rooting for the other team, not this petty stuff.
September 18th, 200910:32 pm
Who is @mitch?
That’s not my name.
Howard has three two-homer nights in his past five games against them, all since the middle of August.
He has seven homers and 12 RBIs in his past seven games against the Braves, and a .342 average with 31 homers and 85 RBIs in 82 career games against them.
End of game….9-4. Sucks!
Watch Philly sign Gonzo and/or Soriano this off-season.
And we’ll be left with Nunez, Acosta, Bang & Ohlufsen, My Little Pony.
September 18th, 200910:33 pm
chipper does look like johnny drama. nice catch curtis.
Looks like Ryan will be naming his kid Turner
September 18th, 200910:34 pm
Philly fan go home,jackass
I like the Idea of bringing Chone Figgins in for next year…This team needs speed Bad!!!
Jake – the Phils are champs until they are knocked out. No other way of looking at it. They have a better line up and better starters than last year. Only weakness is that bullpen. Cards have shown their weakness as they have been shut down lately. Giants can’t hit. dodgers are in a dive. Rockies may be the most serious challengers in the NL. Of course who would have thought the Cards would have won the World Series a few years ago when they limped in with a .500 record?
September 18th, 200910:35 pm
Bobby Cox in no way deserves to leave on his own terms.
He should be fired before the season ends. He is a failure.
We can’t accept mediocrity. The Braves lack a committment to winning.
September 18th, 200910:36 pm
Can we bench Bobby for being a complete idiot. He isnt running……. hell he hasnt run the team correctly since 04.
September 18th, 200910:37 pm
It always was a long shot guys. Now it is a bit longer, but tomorrow we have Javy going. 2/3 wouldn’t be bad against a team as good as the Phils.
Well the beard shaving was good for one run.
Oh well, it wasn’t a total loss. It was Chip Caray’s last game. Of the season anyway. With our luck, he’ll be back, just like Donk next year.
Man the Phillies have owned us during the second half after we owned them during the 1st half…
I much rather see the balanced schedule back…
September 18th, 200910:38 pm
Reason 88 as the why the braves (still) will not make the playoffs: the weak end (ie. the greg nortons) of the bullpen.
Is Cox trying to win games, or make sure that everyone in the bullpen gets in the game?
When he has games in which he can put some of those pitchers in, he sticks with Petey, Gonzo, & Sori.
September 18th, 200910:39 pm
Not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Or, I’ve gotten used to it.
@jake………… Did i get personel with you Pal???? Are you sore that I can come here and post???? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
In the Playoffs it doesn’t matter how good you were in the season, it’s whos hot going into the Playoffs
. Look at the Rookie’s two years ago.Hot team rolled everyteam in the Nat’l League playoffs. As for the Cards, Dodgers,and Rookies this year?? We owned the cards this year. And slpit with the Dodgers and Rookie’s. What wins Pennants???
Pitching and Defense.
You face reality.
I know my teams going to get to the Nat’l League Finals.
Your team will be golfing in two weeks.
Sincerely not yours,
September 18th, 200910:40 pm
mitchell i very rarely call out other bloggers, there is no point of doing it but you my friend make a numbletard look like a mensa member.
Make me BIGROB.
September 18th, 200910:41 pm
Cox may as well empty the bull-pen. I mean, when the horse is already out of the barn, why close the door with your GOOD reliefers. Didn’t figure to take three from PHILLY and don’t have to, but can’t lose another to them. Must wins next two games. And please quit pitching to HOWARD. Just put him on. Heck, I’d even walk in a run if the bases were juiced.
September 18th, 200910:42 pm
Sorry brian, it makes perfect sense what I said. You are saying bobby is right for providing unequal treatment to one player and not others. You said he was right because Esco should have been hustling, well shouldn’t they all? Its the same argument because you are saying he should not have used EOF and saved him, well he does save his starters, doesn’t really seem to care about his bullpen and their arms falling off. Correct me if i’m wrong but that is bobby cox once again providing a different kind of treatment for one while not for the others.
To put it straight, he benches Esco for not hustling but no one else is benched for the same “crime”. He worries about his starters innings and pulls them when they are cruising, but not the inning piling up on his obviously tired bullpen arms. Its the same mode of thinking whether you want to admit it or not. He is doing one thing in one situation for this player and not for the other
Oh and sorry if I hurt your feelings. I don’t call names but I guess calling someone two peas in a pod is offending to you or maybe its just a “slam” like you said. My debating skills are just fine by the way, maybe its your reading skills that need a little help….
September 18th, 200910:43 pm
Well, the only bright side I see is this . . .
We might have a very fresh Gonzo, Soriano, and Moylan the next 2 days.
Let’s win 2. Yes, I know, 5.5 out is coming fast. Nonetheless. All we can do is win tomorrow, and go from there.
My bad…. spell check Rockie’s
September 18th, 200910:44 pm
I gotta admit that I like the Phils. I don’t like their late-inning bullpen guys at all, but I like that team.
How would you feel phiily fan if the braves got in as the wild card ?! Don’t count your chickens before they hatch !! When philly leaves here, they have to go to florida and the marlins have owned them ! It ain’t over !!
September 18th, 200910:45 pm
What has you done gone and did? You has made uga-brave real upset. I see’d them thar’ tumble-bugs, but ain’t never heer’d of no mensa-bug. What ar’ that?
I’m not falling for it Chop Chop! Nu uh.
Bobby’s decisions not to use Moylan, Gonzalez, and/or Soriano late in games where Atlanta trails lies atop the false premise that these guys are basically only proper to turn to when you have the lead. If Bobby uses the right personnel tonight, Atlanta probably ties the game in the ninth.
You cannot categorize yourself in a game and think the immediate score symbolizes the entire nine innings. You have to give it your all for that entire time, as opposed to putting the onus entirely on your offense when you face a deficit and making no urgent effort to keep it what it is.
September 18th, 200910:46 pm
Is this that moment in time when DOB asks Hudson if he thinks Griffey could have tracked down either of those fly balls hit by Howard?
The long overdue column the AJC writers won’t write: “Thanks Bobby, But It’s Time To Go”
“the Phils are champs until they are knocked out.”- brian
Did I say they weren’t, I just said it looks like they will be facing some better competition this year.
To the philly fan, its not personal, its baseball talk. Yankees are a much bigger beast than what the Rays posed if you make it to the world series again this year and even before tonight I liked the Cards. I’m not saying you guys are going to lose to them, just saying from the looks of things right now you guys will be facing a little tougher competition this year. Much harder to repeat than to win the first time.
September 18th, 200910:47 pm
Well nothing positive about tonight’s game. Like the rest of you I see no sense in pitching to Howard. Pitch around him, IBB or just hit him, really doesn’t matter to me as long as he doesn’t see another strike for two more games.
The Braves offense did little to help matters. Pulling Escobar was stupid IMO, just sends a message to the team that the manager is more concerned with petty things than trying to win the game. It probably had little to do with the outcome, but that’s my take on it.
The rest of the team besides Diaz does their share of loafing to first on those routine plays so why pull him at this point in time? It solves nothing & it doesn’t do a damn thing to win the game. Take him down the tunnel & ram his glove where the sun doesn’t shine, but send him back out because he gives you the best chance to win.
September 18th, 200910:48 pm
I wish Meadowcreek won. It would’ve made me feel a million times better. Just once.
14 division titles in row 1 world series now 4 years no playoffs.FIRE THAT LOSER COX
September 18th, 200910:49 pm
I really do like the Phils, Soph.
September 18th, 200910:50 pm
You can cut this up as you like but the facts are that baseball is about more than numbers. There is team chemistry. Chipper Jones is the sulfuric acid of team chemistry. He’s chlorine gas for morale. They are not the same team with this preening drama queen in the game. I wouldn’t want to be in the same infield as LaRoche and Jones, and I don’t care if both of them are hitting .500. I want to win and have fun, not attend a funeral for baseball every night. Cox may not be the swiftest boat in the water but having Jones and LaRoche on the corners is like something out of Ghostbusters.
Dangit! You oughta be banned for saying such a thing…
September 18th, 200910:52 pm
YD.ou are right Ronald ! Even Ray Charles can see that ! I would venture to say if the braves get the wild card, if the phillies get pass the first run(and that’s a big if) the game between the phillies and the braves would be different ! I take the braves 1.T. Hanson 2. J. Jurrgens 3. J. Vazquez 4.D. Lowe over anybody !!
September 18th, 200910:54 pm
RHR (Not MY first day on the blog)
September 18th, 200910:55 pm
Atlanta Braves with David O’Brien
Do you think Braves can do it?
3:29 pm September 18, 2009, by David O’Brien
September 18th, 2009
Now that you wrote about it? Not a chance in hell.
September 18th, 2009
In fact, I may just go ahead and issue the earliest ever….
I really do wish Bobby would leave so everyone can express his appreciation for him and the organization can move forward.
He is tarnishing his legacy in these last few years.
I will say this, though. He has overseen this team through a large payroll reduction and re-work, including a pretty ugly bottoming out period that appears to have ended earlier this summer.
Perhaps we are on the cusp of something big. I think we have a shot. But, I am in now way convinced that Bobby Cox deserves to be the one to lead us to that next step.
September 18th, 200910:56 pm
September 18th, 200910:57 pm
From a concerned Braves fan:
By my fraudulent calcuations, Chipper Jones’ cowardice has cost the Braves at least 35 games this season. I could name the 35 games, but why should I provide proof for something that I know is a fact? I shouldn’t, therefore, he’s cost us 35 games and no one could ever prove me wrong.
Chipper, why do you insist upon costing us so many games?
You are a money-grubbing, scrap-less, gutless, grit-less sieve of an Eckstein. In fact, you are not even fit to be compared to an Eckstein. Please quit baseball and let Brooks Conrad take his rightful place as leader of the future six consecutive World Series championship-winning Atlanta Braves.
I’m the good luck charm. My senior year, each game I went to – we won. I need to go back and pass the magic again.
September 18th, 200910:58 pm
There’s the Chop Chop we know and love.
September 18th, 200911:00 pm
4-1 Rockies in the fourth. Plenty of innings left. 1-1 Dodgers and plenty of innings left.
1. Cox wont come back if Escobar returns..he’s using his fickleness over returning as leverage to get the team he wants which means Esco must go.
2. Cox wont bat LaRoche cleanup because he wants to keep Adam’s RBI’s down so he can resign him more cheaply in the offseason. RBI’s are like gold to a slugging first baseman.
3. Cox wont play Kelly Johnson because Kelly struggles batting at the top of the order which is where Cox wants Kelly to play.
4. Cox is going to be able to create his own statue out of the buggers he’s collected during his tenure with the Braves.
September 18th, 200911:01 pm
Questions I’d love to ask Booby:
1. Why was the team’s leading HR hitter in the 8 hole?
2. Why can’t you get the “others” in the pen some more regular work instead of burning out the Big 4 and then when forced to bring in Huey, Louie and Dewie they look like deer in the headlights?
September 18th, 200911:02 pm
For so many people who bust Loaf and others for not hustling, I’m surprised at all the hate Bobby’s getting for benching Escobar.
Steve from OH
Thank you for finally finding the sense of urgency to call Chipper yellow from the privacy and anonymity of your own home. Kudos, my man.
September 18th, 200911:03 pm
Actually, I’m not surprised. Bobby gets blamed for rain delays on here.
I would be tickled pink to wake up tomorrow still only 4.5 games back.
Would give me at least one more opportunity to get really angry when Ryan Howard goes yard 2x, and bobby picks his nose and yells at Escobar.
September 18th, 200911:04 pm
I’m actually in the privacy of my refigerator box. I call it my “summer cottage,” Steve.
Diamondbacks just tied the game 4-4. It ain’t over !!
The Abs Man
September 18th, 200911:05 pm
Busting Escobar for not hustling is correct. As much as Cox is 100% wrong with his bullpen choices tonight, Escobar deserves to be fined.
But what about Garret Anderson? Escobar looks like a Marine in basic training compared to Gerret.
“For so many people who bust Loaf and others for not hustling, I’m surprised at all the hate Bobby’s getting for benching Escobar.”
that’s point. those making the argument question why Loaf, Chip, others, get a “free pass” when they appear to loaf, while Escy gets jerked in the “biggest game of the year”.
that’s the argument. I’m not saying it’s mine. But, that’s the argument.
they are arguing that cox is inconsistent.
That’s my new spelling of “refrigerator.”
Thought I’d break it out on a Friday night. No one pays attention on nights like this, so why not send up a trial balloon?
Fresno-Boise = great game.
The A Bomb
September 18th, 200911:06 pm
Seriously, with Gonzalez and Soriano free agents. . .
WHO IN THE HECK IS GOING TO WANT TO SIGN WITH A TEAM THAT RIDES ITS RELIEF PITCHERS LIKE RENTED MULES?
Damage control — get Bobby a gold watch, arrange his pension and teach him how to play bridge.
What was that tonight? Only thing I saw tonight that was decent was Logan — finally a pitcher with enough sack to plunk Howard. Poor Acosta is a human target and Vladimir oughtta try out for the Russian World Baseball Classic team.
Chop Chop–oh, you have a summer place? You’re movin’ up in the world, sir. Congratulations. Alas, I have only a single dumpster I must inhabit year-round.
September 18th, 200911:07 pm
Where did the philly fan go ?! Could he possible believe it ain’t over ?!
Frankly, expected the loss tonight. Hudson was a crap shoot chance at best anyway. Looking at the boxscore I have to assume Escobar got hurt? If so hope it isn’t serious. Also as I mentioned this afternoon about using 7 pitchers? Just sayin….and exactly who was mentioning that Medlen may provide an emergencty start if needed in 2010? Oh yeah that was me. Never mind.
richbrave….yep I would intentionally walk Howard every single time up. You betcha. 7 homers in the last 7 games against us with a .600+ slugging %, why not?
September 18th, 200911:09 pm
No, the complaints I saw called Bobby a moron for benching the hottest hitter.
September 18th, 200911:10 pm
Dodgers not helping, but i have faith in them they will come back. They are too good.
September 18th, 200911:11 pm
Jeffrey d…what does Cox exactly do with anderson for not hustling???absolutely nothing!! despite looking careless and like a old man in a wheelchair..Esco gets benched for games..”G.Andy” is safe in Cox’s House..
September 18th, 200911:13 pm
OK, didn’t see the game and haven’t a clue about the Escobar incident. Did Bobby get all pissy at Esco? What gives there?
I think Garret hustles, it just looks like he doesn’t because he’s old and slow.
September 18th, 200911:14 pm
“that’s the argument. I’m not saying it’s mine. But, that’s the argument.they are arguing that cox is inconsistent.”
Is it even that bad of an argument though. If you are going to bench player A for not hustling shouldn’t you do the same thing to player B? I don’t think people are complaining with the message Bobby is sending to Esco, just rather he would take that hard line with all his players. Especially since its a message that should apply to all.
Also if you are going to moniter the innings of arms that have never seen this workload before at this level (i.e Hanson), shouldn’t you do the same for other arms in the same situation. Especially given that some of those bullpen arms are coming off some serious surgery and that Gonzo has never pitched this many innings before in his major league career. I think the most he has pitched is in the 50’s.
Also, regarding Cox. I like to pay attention to actual quotes from people. Not just conjecture. Not opinion pieces. But, what people actually say.
A couple of year’s back, (maybe when cox filmed his special for SportSouth), Cox commented that when he left the game, he would really leave the game. As in, he might not come back to the ballpark for a long-time, because he would really need to get away.
That seemed pretty drastic to me, all things considered.
But this week, Cox has changed his tune a bit. Now he’s saying that if/when he retires, he’d like to come around some. Come to Spring Training, etc. That’s a nearly 180 degree turn from where he was just 1-2 years ago.
What does that tell me? It tells me that he realizes that he is probably not going to oversee another WS as manager of the Atlanta Braves, and this probably really will be his last season as manager. And additionally (and probably more on my point), he knows he can’t tolerate being completely away from the game (which may be part of the reason that he’s managed until he’s 68 year’s old), and because of that, he’s now taking some consolation in the fact that if he retires, he doesn’t have to just leave and be gone. He can stay around. He can go to spring training. He can visit the clubhouse. Who knows? He might even get an office at Turner Field (Heck, he can probably use Hank Aaron’s. I have no earthly idea what that guy does).
Anyway, that’s what I’m picking up from Cox. He’s preparing for his next move, and it’s not gonna be a disappearing act. He recognizes that he’s probably not manager much longer (2 more weeks?) but he is taking some solace in the fact that he can, and likely will, still be a part of this organization.
September 18th, 200911:15 pm
I didn’t say it was a bad argument. In fact, I agree with the argument.
September 18th, 200911:17 pm
read more of the blog. there were a lot of gripes about the incident revealing a double-standard.
I doubt they’ve been deleted, unless Bobby is a part-time hacker/Wordpress expert.
Brent a, I was more so agreeing with you, just used that particular quote to help with my point. Should have directed it at the guy who made the statement though to avoid the confusion.
NO MORE BOBBY
September 18th, 200911:18 pm
Do you think Braves can do it? – DOB
No. We are good but their are teams that are just better. One hot month does not make up for all the mistakes made through rest of the season. (Bobby and TP – cough cough)
That’s why when people were saying “it is still early” in July, I knew those losses would come back to haunt us in September. Now there is no room for losing. Tonight was no ones fault. Just loss to a better team (much better team).
One thing I did have a problem with is choice of Nunez in ninth. Guy has a 4.67 era and losing record against the Phils. Not a smart choice with momentum back on our side in eight inning.
no problem, Jake.
Booby continues his reign of terror. Keeps playing tired, not-so-Chipper. Instead of fining Yunel for lack of hustle, he cuts off the Brave’s nose to spite the face by benching him in a crucial game and wasting an option, such as later benching the has-been Jones. Wonder how he punished Lowe for not speaking up sooner on his blister or Gonzo for hiding his pre-game sore back? Why is Diaz, who is hitting almost .500 against the Phillies, batting in the seven hole? Oh yes, in a two run, season-critical game, Booby brings in this Nunez guy to put the game completely out of reach.
Dave, knowing that you have a musical bent, I offer you and your avid readers this parody of a Cole classic. (Porter that is, not Hamels).
And so my dears, our Booby’s here to stay
Not for a year, but forever and a day.
The Rockies may crumble,
The Phillies may tumble,
They only play on clay…
But our Bobby is here to stay.
Atlanta Braves – Bobby Cox retires as manager. Frank Wren announces Bobby Cox as minor league bunting and bullpen usage instructor.
September 18th, 200911:19 pm
Brent A….if I was a betting man I would say you are correct that you have about two more weeks to catch Cox in a Brave’s uniform.
September 18th, 200911:21 pm
I realize it’s almost become hackneyed to reference “Groundhog Day” for moments like this, however, when I post on this Blog at 11:00PM and see the headline—Well, that strains credulity even for O’Brien. Some of you have defended these types of Blogs by saying “He doesn’t really believe it but he is just writing something”, at this point I would like anyone to hazard a guess as to what the man has on his mind. I guess it is the consensus that he is just throwing Kiffin against the wall, but REALLY, this has moved into the genre of “Noises Off” non-humor.
David, Stop It!! They really may take away your Baseball Writer’s privileges.
jeffrey d – Actually, I’m not surprised. Bobby gets blamed for rain delays on here.
Funny but it is his fault. Did you not know this?
September 18th, 200911:22 pm
Chop Chop–oh, you have a summer place? You’re movin’ up in the world, sir. Congratulations. Alas, I have only a single dumpster I must inhabit year-round.
Damn Steve I didn’t know that. Let me send you a couple of the wolf shirts.
September 18th, 200911:23 pm
don’t feed the trolls
RHR – if you’re still here, can you please post your bingo card again?
September 18th, 200911:24 pm
Even if the Phils sweep this series they will NOT have a winning year against the Braves. Currently we are 9-7 against them this year and there are only 2 left. Not bad for a team that has no manager, no power bat in the outfield, no bullpen and sorry excuses for closers.
What Is And What Should Never Be…….Rock On.
September 18th, 200911:25 pm
Let me send you a couple of the wolf shirts.
Sweeet! I’ll have the most bitchin’ set of blinds in the neighborhood.
September 18th, 200911:27 pm
An old saying popped into my head that fits Cox perfectly and I will take it out on that note: ” the older I get the better I used to be”.
“Even if the Phils sweep this series they will NOT have a winning year against the Braves. Currently we are 9-7 against them this year and there are only 2 left. Not bad for a team that has no manager, no power bat in the outfield, no bullpen and sorry excuses for closers.”
Yeah, those dog on closers killed us this year. Can’t imagine any team, especially the one we are playing, would want to take them off our hands at this point. To be honest, if they were not worn down they would probably be seen as one of the best setup and closing combo’s in the league. They are actually good, rather most want to believe it or not.
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