12:27 pm September 16, 2009, by Carroll Rogers
September 16th, 200910:36 pm
It appears, at least when we face crummy pitchers, that we know have enough offense that Chipper’s protection is no longer required.
Still hope he gets healthy and gets his swing figured out; but, it’s nice to see that we are no longer at the mercy of having his bat in the line-up in order to get decent offensive production.
Oh brother…NOT A LEFTY!!
McFann KeylarHo? That could be acceptable….along with our favorites such as Keyfago, Keyfargo, KeyLoco, Keylardo, Keycuckoo, Keyflunkee, Keycreepo, Keyunabombo, Keyschizzo, Keykooky,or Keywhacko. If you have any other inputs we can revise this list..
Good day, 9.
September 16th, 200910:37 pm
Broncs, You’ve got it nailed.
Everyone in the rotation faces aces. It’s the nature of the beast. After Game 1, it’s basically up in the air who a pitcher will face.
Another reason not to like JJ
September 16th, 200910:38 pm
How is it possible that a guy “worth” $15MM cannot get his kinks worked out for this long? How can this guy be so consistently bad? I BLAME BOOBY THE DONKEY!!! FIRE HIS SORRY A$$!!!
“the stats say he should be better, ”
Steve, can you elaborate on that?
September 16th, 200910:39 pm
Who’s warming up for the Bravos??
Are you not aware of the concept of your ace pitching against the other teams ace opening day and on the sixth day, if the other team is playing their sixth game, it’s your ace against their ace? Such elementary stuff is argued here.
And as far as run support, Lowe has benefitted from it. And he has won 14 games. Why is that hard to understand? No one else has won as many on the Braves. Kawakami has the least run support and it shows.
And if you don’t think Lowe was paid lower money than other aces for a reason, you don’t understand how contracts are negotiated. If Lowe was an Ace, he would have been slotted in the $18 or so million other pitchers in the #1 slot of the rotation make. And don’t try to tell me about the Marlins or Pirates starters.
And the Braves are winning despite all you whiners.
Steve from OH
Professional take by GA there…
September 16th, 200910:40 pm
c’mon McFann – tasty double fried (as they should be) spuds are well worth 1 catcher yes ?????
September 16th, 200910:41 pm
Another reason not to like Chip.
Where is Vinings Jim?
September 16th, 200910:42 pm
You remind me of Paul Lentz only without the occasional intelligent comments.
Oh, I see, Lowe (our ace) started tonight against Bobby Parnell (the Mets Ace) I get it
“Are you not aware of the concept of your ace pitching against the other teams ace opening day and on the sixth day, if the other team is playing their sixth game, it’s your ace against their ace? Such elementary stuff is argued here.”
Are you not aware of the reality that team’s schedule’s typically do not line-up very much at all, after the first few games?
September 16th, 200910:43 pm
Vinings Jim is on his way home- he’s been working
Notice McCann will have at least one very bad at bat per night. This is a trend for the last few months with him.
Can’t believe Garrett is 37 years old. He’s gotta be at least 60.
Looks like Prado had a better nigh than Johnson. But Johnson had 5 out of 6 hits, just 50 at bats ago or so. So complicated
September 16th, 200910:44 pm
There you go with that made up $18 million dollar number again. You sure like that number! He was paid a fortune dude. $15 million a year puts him in the stop 5% of pitchers in baseball and the highest paid pitcher on the Braves.
Lowe was paid to be the #1 pitcher… ace… of this staff. And he has failed miserably. Run support has saved his record.
And his first opponents in 2009? Mike Myers and Shairon Martis. So your Day 1 and Day 6 argument holds no water… those guys are as bad as Lowe this year.
And before Lowe vs Parnell, Kawakami pitched against Johan Santana earlier in the season. I guess Santana was the Mets number 4 or 5 man???
Herschel – you were OVERRATED as a pro and you are a little biatch as a blogger, eat that HOMEY
September 16th, 200910:45 pm
TnBrian when’s the last time Medlen pitched more than two innings? And Bobby’s got plenty of fresh arms down there after seven games of just sitting around, basically. And he had the pitcher’s spot up.
Mac will be OK again after he gets the Lasik correction next month.
September 16th, 200910:46 pm
“And don’t try to tell me about the Marlins . . . starters”
Don’t try to tell you about Josh Johnson, the Marlins “ace”? A guy who Lowe has yet to be paired up with despite 3 starts against Florida this season?
September 16th, 200910:47 pm
Biatch? Is this 1998?
September 16th, 200910:48 pm
I think it’s funny that the three pitchers pitching today: Lowe, Kawakami and Medlin… are the 3 guys that would be fighting for the #5 rotation spot next year if the pitching staff stayed together and making $15 million a year didn’t mean you are automatically guaranteed a spot in the starting rotation.
Roja Mac will be OK again after he gets the Lasik correction next month.
You don’t know that.
Yeah, well…um…hmm. Can’t think of a snappy comeback at the moment…still in too much “pain”…
Oh, go away, Francoeur!!
Did we call up anybody in the roster expansion that has a better batting average than Mr Norton? My stock broker says past performance is no guarante of future performance but I guess Bobby has a different philosophy when it comes to using guys to pinch hit.
jeffrey, I appreciate you questioning the insertion of Omar in the lineup yesterday. It really got him going.
I wish francoeur was in pinstripes right now
September 16th, 200910:49 pm
I know he won’t be “worse”.
Block the plate!
That was quick. Geez.
brent a., absolutely.
His FIP is 3.78. His tRA is 4.33 (on an ERA scale it’s in the 3.90’s). But why is his ERA so much higher? For one, he’s not striking out a lot of batters. However, he’s not walking a lot of batters either. His WHIP is below average a 1.47. So if he’s walking less batters than the league, why is his WHIP so high? Luck. His BA against is about 30 points higher than his career average because his BABIP is…about 30 (ish) points above the league average (it currently stands at .327). BABIP explains a lot of why his ERA is so high.
That’s not to say that there’s not negatives. He’s striking out less batters than he usually does, which I attribute to his slider–it’s been 7 runs below average this year (as opposed to an astronomical 29 RAA last year and about 5 the preceding two). His sinker has actually been more effective this year than in either 2008 or 2007. So I don’t know what you attribute the slider to–a lack of skill or just a down year, and whether or not you think it’ll return. I think it does, just because I’m a glass-half-full kinda guy.
But yeah, uncommonly bad slider and below-average luck=average-ish results. Still, fangraphs has him worth 14MM, so if I told you that the Braves were gonna overpay on a FA pitcher by 1MM last offseason, I daresay I’d get less vitriol then than I’m seeing now.
Oh shut up Soph
September 16th, 200910:50 pm
Can someone explain me why we pitch Jeff f. inside?? Did’nt we see how much he struck out on outside pitches?? With Kawakami being new here, is this Mc Ann’s decision???
Looks like Cox is finally using his head.
I also questioned it today
Ooooh, ooooh Kawakami vs Takahashi coming up………..
Carroll, so what that Medlin hasn’t pitched more than 2 innings? Are you saying that a young kid that is a starter can’t pitch more than 2 innings right now?? Please.
And so what that his spot in the batting order was up? Odds are the pitch hitter gets out… and you leave your starter in all the time to hit when he’s up in the order.
And now Kawakami is in and gives up a run. Who didn’t see this coming? Sigh Bobby Cox.
September 16th, 200910:51 pm
I’m serious! You really hurt his feelings.
Ah, I see you’re going to continue with the Lowe/ace stuff, Roja. Smart move
We are the only team that doesn’t make Francouer chase. This is how I know Bobby must go. Or TP needs to go becuase Francouer now does not chase. Or both you guys decide.
those “fresh arms” won’t be that way for very long at this pace
dogsbrekky's border collie
Herschel alker – you have half the iq of a 5 yr old border collie, less class and can’t catch a frisbee as well
but party on Wayne
September 16th, 200910:52 pm
Get that man an IV!
As of that at bat, Frenchy has a higher batting average than any outfielder in our lineup tonight.
September 16th, 200910:53 pm
Crap, they pinch hit for Takahashi
Soph – I tried to respond earlier but my wireless was on the fritz – I noted that when I had two posts in a row late at night, I didn’t quit like you did. I tried to start a singalong to inspire some cheer.
But after being shot down 2 days in a row, I’m done.
September 16th, 200910:54 pm
Steve, thanks for the info.
What will fangraphs say he is worth in 2010, 2011, 2012?
Heck, what will fangraphs say he is worth (in 2009) tomorrow?
I think folks would’ve liked to have seen him “underpaid” in 2009, to help off-set the likely “overpayment” in the latter years of his contract.
September 16th, 200910:55 pm
You know the Braves would be ahead 10-1 if KJ was starting
Anderson looked like a young Andruw out there.
Man oh man that Francouer is a great hitter. Didn’t we used to have him??
September 16th, 200910:56 pm
Well, I didn’t feel like talking to myself! If you had told me you were going to start a sing-a-long, I wouldn’t have left. Besides, you obviously don’t do it right if no one joins in. You’ve failed two nights in a row now.
September 16th, 200910:57 pm
Getting rid of Francoeur was a great move even if he goes on to be a Hall of Famer for Mets. He just wasn’t going to succeed here with our current coaching staff.
If Lowe is overpaid when he’s 36 (and he is!), its going to get ugly 37-39.
So far KK has been less than impressive as a reliever, even with that “closer mentality” someone was saying he had. Maybe not??
OK Bravos, get that run back!!
September 16th, 200910:58 pm
Roman Gal, Please share why.
Here is proof positive that we are not a smart team. We’re dumb enough to throw Frenchy something he can hit with 2 strikes. Every other team knows to throw the ball in the dirt or above his head because he’ll swing at anything.
I don’t think it was quite the singalong crowd. I would’ve told you, except I wasn’t really planning it. It was just spur of the moment, like in musicals.
…except I was the only one singing and dancing.
September 16th, 200910:59 pm
Well, that depends on what he does in 2010, 2011, and 2012…
Keep in mind that that is an estimate. How they go about doing it is fine (they look at every free agent’s WAR and see how much was paid per WAR–and that’s how much you’re worth based on your WAR. Simple!), but it’s based on how they value a win. So if the Braves have a different WAR calculation (for example), their value of Lowe may differ. But fangraphs is evaluting all the players on the same scale, so player-by-player ya can’t really complain. In addition, I’ve read the argument that teams pay for wins on a curve (i.e. if 1 WAR=1MM, a 4 WAR is worth MORE than 4MM) and that teams will pay more per WAR the higher their win total gets. Makes sense, because going from 72 to 80 wins doesn’t get you anywhere. But going from 91 to 92 or 93 wins can make all the difference in the world. So, if we make the playoffs by one game, Lowe’s value becomes higher. Most of this is economics-jibberish to me, so see this as a re-hasing of others’ arguments, not my own please!
Kenshin Kawakami has resumed the status of a tomato can. This guy is a joke. Between him and Lowe, we have $20+ million sunk into pure and utter garbage. Maybe we should also bring Mike Hampton back to complete the trifecta. Great job, Frank Wreck!
FRANK WRECK IS ANOTHER BOZO WHO NEEDS TO GO!!! CLEAN HOUSE AND GET RID OF ALL OF THEM!!! FIRE WRECK THE BOZO!!! CAN BOOBY THE DONKEY!!! TERRY PENDLETON NEEDS TO BE JETTISONED ASAP!!! WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE!!!
September 16th, 200911:00 pm
Nice job Bobby. It’s not like Medlen was cruising or anything. …It’s got to suck being a starter your whole life, then suddenly having to pitch out of the pen once every two weeks.
FYI – I literally rolled my eyes at that one, jeffrey.
Yeah, that’s not very much fun. Next time, I’m there.
btw, since Fangraphs seems to be the “holy grail” of baseball info,
it valued Lowe’s 2008 season at $22.4 million. So, he’s dropped (before tonight) $8.5 million in one season.
But, last year was sort of an anomaly. He was only valued at $13.6 million in 2007 and $9.3 million in 2005?
Wait, is this good, or bad?
September 16th, 200911:01 pm
Medlen and Lowe 4.53 ERA each
18 Wheels of Love
For DOB….AIC album samper. Lots of Cantrell’s vocals. Sounds good!
C’mon EOF 1-2-3 inning
September 16th, 200911:02 pm
I take it you’re not a card carrying member of the Kelly Johnson fan club Soph?
And to get the RAR calculations for the individual pitch types, they use Gameday’s pitch f/x for that. Using that they can isolate every FB/CB/whatever that Lowe throws and see the outcome–really no doubt in the initial data. Even if you don’t agree about the conversion to “runs,” like I said before, they’re all being evaluated on the same scale, so if he’s 7 RAR, you know he’s above average, whether or not you think it’s actually 7 runs…
I saw bring back Bobby Cox but he’s not allowed to fill out line-up cards or make bullpen decisions. Wait, that’s everything that a manager does during a game.
Crap, maybe it IS time for him to go And I really like Cox.
err that last statement doesn’t sound right.
September 16th, 200911:04 pm
brent–he’s in line with 06 and 07. Look at his FIP and ERA numbers in those seasons. All under 4.00. This year’s FIP is again under 4.00–the only difference this year is ERA and BABIP.
September 16th, 200911:05 pm
matt cain hasn’t won at home since July 6.
trails 1-0 in the 4th
There’s someone here with the username “Coxlover” and I don’t think it’s an intentional gross joke.
As far as aces salaries are concerned, you can’t use any ace. It would have to be an ace who signed a free agent contract. Yes, Josh Johnson is an ace, but my point is that he is not eligible for free agency for three more years. What do you think he’ll sign for then (2012)?
And no, there are no guarantees that #1’s will meet #1’s but the odds are more favorable they will meet #1’s than any other number.
You couldn’t tell from my Marteeeeeeen’s?
Nah, I like Kelly but I’m not a card carrying member of his fan club. Sorry.
September 16th, 200911:06 pm
Do we want to win this game?
Come on KK.
September 16th, 200911:07 pm
keylargo likes men
The Dingo likes men
Two stupid packers
September 16th, 200911:08 pm
Great play, KK!
There we go.
September 16th, 200911:09 pm
Hey it’s okay. I’ve got a KJ fan club hooded sweatshirt
September 16th, 200911:10 pm
Mr.Neutral, whether or not your odds are accurate or not is open for debate. But the fact is for whatever reason Lowe started the season playing against scrubs, NOT #1s. After that any meeting he has had with another team’s ace has been purely by chance.
I agree that some top pitchers have singed bigger free agent contracts than Lowe, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t signed to be the #1 starter for the Braves. He was. And now he’s the 6th best starter on the team.
Really wish I had bought one of those Failcoeur T-shirts.
September 16th, 200911:13 pm
moylan up in the pen now
New York has someone named Broadway?
Brooks Conrad! OMG! NO!
September 16th, 200911:14 pm
What happened to Lowe?
Herschel – “not that there is anything wrong with that” but I will match my missus against your fat donkey’s ass anytime
but one suspects that you have no clue at all, no idea, you are just a miserable swine with no life and a lot of hate, must be tough that, no love pal
Party on Wayne
September 16th, 200911:15 pm
September 16th, 200911:16 pm
Bobby, we can hear you.
Let’s go Brooks.
Herschel – you win, you win……….. you win
are you the faggy cast member of “The Real Bushpigs of Atlanta”
jeffrey – he had a blister.
September 16th, 200911:17 pm
Now Brooks Conrad has some good walk up music. It’s supposed to be intimidating or pump-you-up-ish. Some of the Braves’ music makes me want to go vegan or adopt a puppy
September 16th, 200911:18 pm
Did Feliciano kill that guy behind him??
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