I’d say his flashiness. Honestly. That’s what’s both gotten him in trouble and gotten him hurt. Combined with what I’m growing to believe is a bum hip. Take that last play, for example. It was completely unnecessary to do that acrobatic crap. He could have taken a few steps and fired down to 1st. The runner going to 1st wasn’t really running. But he makes a show-boat play and probably injured himself doing it.
Some people do. I rarely bash him, and only for the things he deserves bashing for.
He is our best player
Debatable. I’ll say he’s been our best position player and you could argue that Javy Vazquez has been more valuable. Not hard to argue that Escobar has had more impact, though. Anyway, I don’t disagree. Or claim to. He’s a great player, I give him all the credit he deserves for his on-field production. And his entertainment value. Which was on display during that double play. But he sort of crossed the line there, to where his flashiness may effect his production. And that’s just not cool.
Jeeze, what a nail-biting chore to win the first game of a new series. Whew! It’s just too hard. BTW, the ASTROS and BRAVES are almost even in team stats this year. The BRAVES are only slightly ahead in most catagories.
“But he makes a show-boat play and probably injured himself doing it.”
He didn’t have to jump, but he did. Why does it have to be showboating? Guys do stuff in this game all the time they don’t have to do. Honestly, outside of the whole scorers thing, there is nothing else the kid really did this year that just ticks me off. Did he make some mistakes on defense, yeah, but then again what braves haven’t. He cut out the baserunning mistakes. I guess I just don’t see the whole flashy thing. He isn’t out there posing, thats just the way he plays. People are mad Gonzo rocks, they are mad the players smile in the dugout, they don’t like Garrett’s face. Sensitive bunch here.
THE ZOMBIE CLOWN SHOW CONTINUES. FIRE BOOBY!!! IF BOOBY WEREN’T THE MANAGER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE’D HAVE ENOUGH CHAMPIONSHIPS TO FILL ANTONIO ALFONSECA’S HAND.
Is our offense so bad that Wren might not be able to fix in one off season. I do exoect Escobar to get better, and McCann to have a better season next year but that is only 2 players. What happens IF Chipper doesn’t improve
That darn Boone boy…….even with a zipper in his chest, I still get plenty nervous when he comes to the plate. Nice work MFIKY, again tonight.
Boy, Xtra Innings does not give you ANY post game broadcast. The feed is cut off post-game plus 1 second!! Somebody let us know what LaRoche drawls tonight.
Thats very noble of Mclouth to hit what turned into the game winner tonight. Somebody, preferably a veteran or Bobby, needs to remind the poor guy that this team has alrerady quit!! Just give Mclouth one full year under Bobby and he will be plannin his tee times for October by this point.
I am officially declaring LaRo’s new nickname to be ‘Lash’ after my boyhood cowboy hero Lash LaRue. So Lash LaRoche…Keep on Strokin’!
Oh,yeah,do not put Soriano in a game where we only lead by one run. The man is losing it. He has to give up 1 run every time he goes in!
Mitchell (September 8th, 2009 4:22 pm): “Reeling Braves need rejuvenation … and more . . . A new manager perhaps? . . . Sorry, broken record. . . . Doesn’t it feel like the season is already over? It seems like it’s been weeks since they last played. It’s rather appropriate that they were one of the only teams in baseball not to play yesterday on Labor Day. . . . And yet they’re still talking about going on some crazy winning streak. Give me a f***ing break. As long as Bobby Cox manages this team they will never put together any streak over four or five games. They’re absolutely incapable of it. No offense, no clutch hitting, an over-worked bullpen, an uninspired leader in Cox and a beleaguered Chipper Jones and his negative attitude. . . . They might as well quit. Literally. . . . I’ll be genuinely surprised if they finish over .500 at this point.”
Mitchell (September 8th, 2009 6:13 pm): “DOB, What’s with the numbers after each players names?”
The game is played and managed differently than it was 15-20 years ago. Front offices and field managers rely on statistical analysis in ways that weren’t heard of in the past.
I’ve always kinda thought that the Braves didn’t use stats enough either, but I think Wren has changed some of that culture. I do think that if they went as deep into their stats as their scouting, and used them both, they’d be a very, very good FO (but they are anyway IMO). I don’t think the saber stats are really that important at all for the field manager; I mean, lineup optimization is nice, but I haven’t read much that suggests it’s worth more than 1-2 wins per season, and given all the platoons and days off Bobby likes to give, it’s probably not worth the trouble.
What is Yunel’s major malfunction?
I think it’s because they normally don’t pile sh!t that high.
Seems as though I missed a good discussion today. Bummer. Ah well, don’t know if I’d have contributed much more than what was said. Good posts all around.
Its good to see that we won the game tonight. However, judging from the offensive stats, I’m glad that I didnt have to sit through another dismal offensive performance. Only an outstanding start by Javier Vazquez saved us from losing our 6th in a row.
I’ve been busy the past week and a half, so I havent been able to come on here a lot (I know, I’m breaking your hearts, lol).
It’s just a shame that our starting pitching is going to be a waste. From the look of things, our offense decided to “cash” it in and start their vacation a month early.
This only confirms (if confirmation was really needed) that on overhaul is in order after the season is over regarding the coaching staff. If Bobby Cox were to announce after the last game of the season that he was going to retire from managing…..then the Braves could give him a proper send off.
However if he forces Frank Wren’s hand, then I hope that Wren has the fortitude to do the right thing in letting Bobby go. The Braves need someone to come in a manage this team in a way that will instill the desire to play with a “sense of urgency”. The past few weeks have been PATHETIC. I see absolutely NO LIFE in this team, no swagger on the field.
Hey, I didn’t know what the numbers were. That’s why I asked. If I had thought about it I probably would have figured it out but I guess the damage is done.
I am so stupid man. What was I thinking? I wish I could be more like you, a guy who calls himself “Random”.
kc_daniel: How much of a role does sabermetrics and high-level statistical analysis have with the Royals?
Moore: It is an important part of every decision that we make. In acquiring talent, we blend traditional scouting and statistical analysis with every decision we make. When we acquire a player, we recognize that there are deficiencies in some areas, but often times we are picking from a pool of players where there are many of those deficiencies but we use statistical analysis by evaluating every talent pool that exists. I was trained that way through John Schuerholz and others.
On the DMGM lie-o-meter, this ranks a…?
Either that, or he considers sabermetrics to be batting average and RBI…
Escobar’s not hurt, Cox said. So no worries there (at least till we walk in the clubhouse tomorrow and hear his hip flexor or something is sore from that play)….
Everybody ahead of Braves in wild-card standings won tonight, in case you didn’t hear….
Vazquez has as many hits (10) in 24 at-bats in his last 13 starts as Norton has all season….
Praise flowing in clubhouse for Vazquez, who the Braves believe should have at least 18 wins and be a Cy Young favorite, if he’d had any luck this season….
Here’s game story, including quotes from Vazquez and Chipper about stranger things happening in pennant races, and Chipper referencing the Mets’ epic collapse of 2007 (they had a seven-game lead over Philly on Sept. 12, and missed the playoffs altogether)…
Of course, the difference being that the Phillies only had to catch one team, and played them head-to-head. Braves have to pass three teams in the wild-card race, and don’t play two of them. But hey, the fellas have got to believe, right?…
Oh, and there’s a Prado note at bottom. Because for the time being, we’re writing only game stories with a few notes attached to bottom, not separate notebooks. That is, of course, unless there’s something real newsy or the Braves reel off a winning streak and get a little closer to the wild-card lead.
Houston – If it’s too late for the Braves, someone forgot to tell Javier Vazquez.
He showed again Tuesday why he’s been the true veteran ace of the staff, limiting the Houston Astros to three hits in seven scoreless innings of a 2-1 win that snapped the Braves’ five-game losing skid.
“We have to keep battling,” Vazquez said of the position the Braves are in — fourth place in the wild-card standings, seven games behind leader Colorado with 24 to play. “Crazier things have happened.”
Adam LaRoche and Nate McLouth hit home runs to supply all the offense for the Braves, and slumping third baseman Chipper Jones made the defensive play of the game on a barehanded catch-and-throw with bases loaded in the sixth to help the Braves win a series opener at Minute Maid Park.
But the night belonged to Vazquez (12-9), who had four walks and nine strikeouts, and didn’t allow a runner to reach second base until the sixth inning.
“Javy was just unbelievably good tonight,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said of the right-hander, whose nine strikeouts gave him 208 and his third consecutive 200-strikeout season. “He got out of jams. He walked a couple of guys, and came right back. Splendid job of clutch pitching….
“He could have 18 [wins]. He could be in the running for the Cy Young with any luck at all.”
With runners at second and third and one out in the seventh, Vazquez struck out left-handed pinch-hitter Darin Erstad and Michael Bourn to protect the 2-0 lead.
“I was looking for a strikeout there,” said Vazquez, who also contributed two hits of his own, making him 10-for-24 at the plate in his past 13 starts to raise his season average to .207.
The Astros, fresh off a four-game sweep of the Philadelphia that included three consecutive one-run wins, seemed poised to make things excruciating for recently erratic Mike Gonzalez in the eighth.
But after Kazuo Matsui flied out to the warning track and Lance Berkman singled, Carlos Lee hit a hard grounder to Gonzalez, who wheeled and threw to second to start an inning-ending double play.
The Astros scored in the ninth against closer Rafael Soriano, after Miguel Tejada’s leadoff triple.
In the sixth, Vazquez struck out Lance Berkman with runners at second and third and one out. Then after Vazquez walked Carlos Lee – the third walk of the inning – Miguel Tejada hit a sharp comebacker to the mound with two out, and the ball caromed off Vazquez’s glove to Jones.
Jones fielded it and threw in the same motion to get Tejada by a half-step.
“Not doing it with the bat, got to do it with the glove,” said Jones, who is 8-for-69 (.116) in his past 21 games and has two extra-base hits in his past 24 games. “I didn’t have much action tonight. But that play saved possibly a big inning. Javy knocked the ball down. He gets a lot of the credit.”
When someone mentioned to Jones what Vazquez had said about continuing to battle and how stranger things have happened in pennant races, Jones concurred.
“We’re seven games out of the wild card,” he said. “How many games were the Phillies behind the Mets a couple of years ago? It can happen.”
In 2007, New York had a seven-game lead over Philadelphia in the National League East standings on Sept. 12. The Mets lost 12 of their last 17 and missed the playoffs.
Prado frustrated, but determined
He was credited for being the sparkplug to the team’s midseason surge, and Martin Prado is frustrated after his recent headache problems and slump came at a crucial time for the Braves.
“We were so close [in the wild-card race],” he said. “Now there’s a long way to go…. I believe in God, a lot. If this happened to me at some point, I’ve just got to accept it. Every single player in the sport has passed through [a slump] like this.
“I’m a human being. All I can do is try my best, try to keep going, finish strong, and don’t give up.”
He hit .340 with 18 extra-base hits (five homers) and 28 RBIs in 38 games from June 30 to Aug.
13, and the Braves went 24-14. Prado won the second-base job and thrived in his first extensive duties.
Then came his bout with headaches that he believed were stress-related, from worrying about his mother after she was forced to return to violence-torn Venezuela after her visa expired.
Prado missed a week being tested and resting as he got accustomed to prescription medication.
In his 18 games since Aug. 13 Prado has hit .264 with two extra-base hits (one homer) and five RBIs, and the Braves are 6-12 in those games. After striking out with two runners on to end the second inning Tuesday, he singled and was picked off first base for the third out in the fifth.
and Martin Prado is frustrated after his recent headache problems and slump came at a crucial time for the Braves.
You know, he really needs to cut himself some slack. He’s had a great season and is a lot of the reason we’re here, offensively. I know that there are parts of his game I don’t like and parts I’m still skeptical about, but he’s been great for us for the last two years and he’s easy to root for.
I guess when they suddenly win a game after losing five in a row anybody who previously criticized them is now an idiot? Is that it?
I guess I’m kind of destined to be misunderstood. Poor me. That whole sarcasm thing doesn’t really translate well.
But did you notice how I said “Literally” after saying “they might as well quit… “? See, I was genuinely frustrated that they were performing poorly and losing games to inferior teams and I chose to express my disappointment in an overly dramatic, hyperbolic manner. They obviously aren’t going to cease playing games before the season has ended so when I say “literally” I’m acknowledging how ridiculous it is to say that by making it sound like I really believe it.
I was being ironic. My frustration was real but I was undercutting it with a little levity. That’s not to say that it was funny, it wasn’t really; I was just trying to amuse myself.
I guess if you have to explain it, it’s really not funny.
But feel free to use me as an example of the idiots on the Braves blog… who use their real names.
Santana said to tell Vasquez he’ll see him at the “With just a little luck I could have been a Cy Young Contender” convention this winter. The Braves might not score runs for Javy while Santana left 7 games last year he was leading that the bullpen gave away. Stuff happens.
Dave, It’s too late. Really!! You are way too good for this. You don’t need this to generate Blog activity. I’ll continue to show up and the team I follow that has NO chance has a 2 game lead on the team you write about.
Why are you doing this! Boog and Goldberg defending Rose against allegations that he bet on baseball made more sense than this. Boog insisting to me that Steve Spurrier was going to be the head coach of the Saints in the 90’s made more sense. Bobby Bowden being allowed to wander on a sideline as “Coach In Name Only” makes more sense than this. Mark Richt playing a kid at QB because he has stuck around makes more sense than this. People still not understanding what Johnson has going at Tech makes more sense than this. Believing Nick Saban when his lips are moving makes more sense than this. Thinking Kentucky will not be vacating wins in men’s basketball makes more sense than this. Tommy Bowden thinking he will EVER be a head coach of a major program makes more sense than this——–Dave, The Braves are NOT making the playoffs. Stop it!!! Rib eyes, Strips, Delmonicos, T-Bones, Jazz, Hip-Hop, Rap, Bluegrass, Country Rock, Janice Ian, Billy jack theme music–ANYTHING!!
Danny Harrison (George’s son) on the tonight show pushing the new Beatles video game that’s a huge hit already for anyone that’s interested. he’s a small guy with unusually large ears. Did Ric Ocasek ever hang with the Harrisons?
Nah, no matter how many records I have on here they’ll never vote me into the AJC Blog HOF. I’m a cross between Pete Rose and Ty Cobb in character with many on here.
The Mets could not have picked a better year to open their new park. They’re hopelessly out of it, everyone’s hurt, the economy sucks,Tim Redding was pitching, it was about 65 degrees on a damp Tuesday night and it’s the first day of school today in NY yet they drew 37K toight.
They wouldn’t have had 3700 total at Shea under the same conditions.
I didn’t see your post. I was just trying to see if my comment was going to posted. You have company.
I had a nice long response to Random a while ago but, lucky me, it got deleted. That was fun. I tried to save what I wrote but then my computer froze and I lost it.
He was making fun of me behind my back for what he perceived as foolish comments and I was trying tell him that he’s an idiot and that his name is stupid.
Well, I’m out kids. Tell your friends I was here after a Braves win. There’s a viscous rumor going around that I only show in the gloom of Braves defeats.
And, Mitchell, way to man-up, and own it. But, please tell me, can you really think that someone who doesn’t know what those numbers mean, would better lead the Braves than those currently in charge?
McFann, you’re like eighteen. Whoopy-Wow is not acceptable. At least jerkish-nutbag it.
RHR, got the link; thank you. But, very few comments, and none from bubd; what am I missing?
Fungo:
Anybody else find it interesting that the two sites ‘OB found defined fungoes as “hit in the air?” A grounder hit with a fungo doesn’t qualify? C’mon, anything hit with a fungo bat, is a fungo, right?
Preface: love Escobar. Man-crush, almost, for his skills. By the way, is there a more ridiculous term than man-crush? Staycation, maybe?
Love me some Esco; begged he not be traded for Peavy, or anybody really.
But, if the Braves could get an equitable return, I’d trade him. Now, I’ll say, I don’t think the Braves could get what I think his full-value in return. His numbers, at what he’s paid, are nearly best in the league. But, the dude’s got issues, and his value’ll probably never be higher.
What I hope, is that dude shows up next year, and for the next five years, with the ability to stay on the field for 155 games, whether things are going well, or not. I’m starting to wonder if that’s in him. I hope I’m wrong; I hope that I’m like one of these guys saying the Braves are not playing with fire, or URGENCY. But, I’m afraid I’m seeing a guy who cares more about the show, than his team. And, not for one play; going on nearly three years. The fact that he’s still whistling like that, when he knows nobody wants it…
I think if the Braves had a MLB-capable SS, he’d have been traded already.
Have you seen scouting reports, or video, of Bumgarner? Watched his start tonight, first I’d seen him, and he appeared, to me, to be exactly as you’ve described Minor. You’ve any thoughts on Bumgarner’s stuff? Is his command what’s allowed him to put up these incredible minor-league numbers? ‘Cause I found his stuff unimpressive, at least relative to the hype out here in SF.
Preface: love Escobar. Man-crush, almost, for his skills. By the way, is there a more ridiculous term than man-crush? Staycation, maybe?
Love me some Esco; begged he not be traded for Peavy, or anybody really.
But, if the Braves could get an equitable return, I’d trade him. Now, I’ll say, I don’t think the Braves could get what I think is his full-value in return. His numbers, at what he’s paid, are nearly best in the league. But, the dude’s got issues, and his value’ll probably never be higher.
What I hope, is that dude shows up next year, and for the next five years, with the ability to stay on the field for 155 games, whether things are going well, or not. I’m starting to wonder if that’s in him. I hope I’m wrong; I hope that I’m like one of these guys saying we’re not playing with fire, or URGENCY. But, I’m starting to see a guy who cares more about the show, than his team. And, not one play, going on nearly three years. The fact that he’s still whistling like that, when he knows nobody wants it…
I think if the Braves had a MLB-capable SS, Esco’d have already been traded.
(BAS)
here’s what one site has to say about him.
Watching on TV can be pretty misleading at times.
Statistically speaking: It’s hard to imagine a better statistical season than Bumgarner’s first full professional campaign. He led the Minors with his 1.46 ERA, was third in strikeouts with 164 and tied for fifth in wins with 15. He was seventh with a 10.42 K/9 ratio and led lefties in all the aforementioned categories.
Scouting report: The left-hander debuted in pro ball with one pitch — though that offering was a plus, plus fastball that easily hits the mid-90s with good late life. His curve and slider have shown great progress and the changeup is improving as well, though perhaps lags a bit behind the others. He also has excellent command on both sides of the plate. His work ethic is off the charts and he has excellent mound presence.
Upside potential: The kind of left-handed ace that everyone wants, but few possess.
They said it: “I’m running out of superlatives. I’ve never seen a player do the things he’s done. I’ve never seen a player grow that fast and quickly. What he did was staggering. … That’s an unstoppable force, when you have that kind of talent and that kind of desire to get better. I think he’s going to be a very special player for a very long time at the Major League level.
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TnBrian
September 8th, 2009
10:37 pm
Yunel didn’t need to do the splits there. Stupid… and he’s lucky.
Mixxo
September 8th, 2009
10:38 pm
Esco didn’t need to rush that, he just wanted to jump.
Will
September 8th, 2009
10:38 pm
MLBN guys are kind of going after Esco for jumping there
Mitchell
September 8th, 2009
10:39 pm
Jesus.
Come on man.
Mixxo
September 8th, 2009
10:39 pm
‘Stros will win this game.
Watch n’ see.
P. W. Hjort
September 8th, 2009
10:39 pm
What is Yunel’s major malfunction?
I’d say his flashiness. Honestly. That’s what’s both gotten him in trouble and gotten him hurt. Combined with what I’m growing to believe is a bum hip. Take that last play, for example. It was completely unnecessary to do that acrobatic crap. He could have taken a few steps and fired down to 1st. The runner going to 1st wasn’t really running. But he makes a show-boat play and probably injured himself doing it.
atlbravesfan44
September 8th, 2009
10:39 pm
MFYKU!
Mitchell
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
Is that Aaron f***ing Boone?
Come on Soriano.
Rob from SC
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
Some of you people bash Escobar for everything? He is our best player
RHR
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
ballgame!
Mixxo
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
Crap!
Chop Chop
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
The World Series is in our grasp.
RHR
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
REHIRE JAVY!
A FAN
September 8th, 2009
10:41 pm
1 down 20 more to go!
Mitchell
September 8th, 2009
10:41 pm
That was fun.
One run road win. Not so hard after all are they?
David..(Athens, AL)
September 8th, 2009
10:41 pm
YES !!!!
RHR
September 8th, 2009
10:41 pm
lol is Rob really getting on people for bashing? Heh
Soph
September 8th, 2009
10:41 pm
Yay.
Mixxo
September 8th, 2009
10:42 pm
Rob from SC
September 8th, 2009
10:40 pm
Some of you people bash Escobar for everything? He is our best player –
No bashing from me. I’ve KNOWN he’s our best guy out there. Bar none!
McFann :Ô:
September 8th, 2009
10:43 pm
Wow…guess it was “Narrowly Escape Serious Injury on a Double-Play Night” at the ballpark…
But they pull out a win. Nice. Javy did a great job.
P. W. Hjort
September 8th, 2009
10:45 pm
Some of you people bash Escobar for everything?
Some people do. I rarely bash him, and only for the things he deserves bashing for.
He is our best player
Debatable. I’ll say he’s been our best position player and you could argue that Javy Vazquez has been more valuable. Not hard to argue that Escobar has had more impact, though. Anyway, I don’t disagree. Or claim to. He’s a great player, I give him all the credit he deserves for his on-field production. And his entertainment value. Which was on display during that double play. But he sort of crossed the line there, to where his flashiness may effect his production. And that’s just not cool.
BravesFanChris24
September 8th, 2009
10:45 pm
A win
I forgot what they were ~_~
Seriously though, good win. All I can hope for is for Braves to finish above .500 at least.
Anders
September 8th, 2009
10:45 pm
One run road win. Not so hard after all are they? (Mitchell)
Certainly not as hard as figuring that dang numbers code DOB uses when giving out the lineup! {:
richbrave
September 8th, 2009
10:46 pm
Jeeze, what a nail-biting chore to win the first game of a new series. Whew! It’s just too hard. BTW, the ASTROS and BRAVES are almost even in team stats this year. The BRAVES are only slightly ahead in most catagories.
richbrave
September 8th, 2009
10:48 pm
You folks realize that with one more win we equal last year’s total don’t you? Or is my memory off on that fact?
Jake W.
September 8th, 2009
10:49 pm
“But he makes a show-boat play and probably injured himself doing it.”
He didn’t have to jump, but he did. Why does it have to be showboating? Guys do stuff in this game all the time they don’t have to do. Honestly, outside of the whole scorers thing, there is nothing else the kid really did this year that just ticks me off. Did he make some mistakes on defense, yeah, but then again what braves haven’t. He cut out the baserunning mistakes. I guess I just don’t see the whole flashy thing. He isn’t out there posing, thats just the way he plays. People are mad Gonzo rocks, they are mad the players smile in the dugout, they don’t like Garrett’s face. Sensitive bunch here.
Herschel Talker
September 8th, 2009
10:49 pm
THE ZOMBIE CLOWN SHOW CONTINUES. FIRE BOOBY!!! IF BOOBY WEREN’T THE MANAGER THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE’D HAVE ENOUGH CHAMPIONSHIPS TO FILL ANTONIO ALFONSECA’S HAND.
Rob from SC
September 8th, 2009
10:51 pm
Is our offense so bad that Wren might not be able to fix in one off season. I do exoect Escobar to get better, and McCann to have a better season next year but that is only 2 players. What happens IF Chipper doesn’t improve
Choppinmama
September 8th, 2009
10:51 pm
That darn Boone boy…….even with a zipper in his chest, I still get plenty nervous when he comes to the plate. Nice work MFIKY, again tonight.
Boy, Xtra Innings does not give you ANY post game broadcast. The feed is cut off post-game plus 1 second!! Somebody let us know what LaRoche drawls tonight.
P. W. Hjort
September 8th, 2009
10:54 pm
I bet the Braves bring in a 1B.
Will
September 8th, 2009
10:55 pm
Thats very noble of Mclouth to hit what turned into the game winner tonight. Somebody, preferably a veteran or Bobby, needs to remind the poor guy that this team has alrerady quit!! Just give Mclouth one full year under Bobby and he will be plannin his tee times for October by this point.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
September 8th, 2009
10:57 pm
I am officially declaring LaRo’s new nickname to be ‘Lash’ after my boyhood cowboy hero Lash LaRue. So Lash LaRoche…Keep on Strokin’!
Oh,yeah,do not put Soriano in a game where we only lead by one run. The man is losing it. He has to give up 1 run every time he goes in!
Ebenezer Snerdberg
September 8th, 2009
11:00 pm
Choppinmama;
Basically he said,” Thankyewverymuch!”
RHR
September 8th, 2009
11:03 pm
LMAO Anders. One of your finest moments. Take a bow.
jj4nlcy (on my psp)
September 8th, 2009
11:04 pm
Hey guys, my laptop is still broken =(
Chop Chop
September 8th, 2009
11:08 pm
Ronnie seems to think that we’ve always been able to find guys like Tommy Hanson.
Choppinmama
September 8th, 2009
11:10 pm
Ebenezer: thank you very much for the review. OK, off to watch Saving Grace.
Ebenezer Snerdberg
September 8th, 2009
11:11 pm
Choppinmama:
Saving Grace Oh Yeah! Grace is my kinda Skank!
P. W. Hjort
September 8th, 2009
11:15 pm
August 11 was the last time Yunel had a 2 or 3 base hit.
Random
September 8th, 2009
11:18 pm
Mitchell (September 8th, 2009 4:22 pm): “Reeling Braves need rejuvenation … and more . . . A new manager perhaps? . . . Sorry, broken record. . . . Doesn’t it feel like the season is already over? It seems like it’s been weeks since they last played. It’s rather appropriate that they were one of the only teams in baseball not to play yesterday on Labor Day. . . . And yet they’re still talking about going on some crazy winning streak. Give me a f***ing break. As long as Bobby Cox manages this team they will never put together any streak over four or five games. They’re absolutely incapable of it. No offense, no clutch hitting, an over-worked bullpen, an uninspired leader in Cox and a beleaguered Chipper Jones and his negative attitude. . . . They might as well quit. Literally. . . . I’ll be genuinely surprised if they finish over .500 at this point.”
Mitchell (September 8th, 2009 6:13 pm): “DOB, What’s with the numbers after each players names?”
Steve from OH
September 8th, 2009
11:19 pm
The game is played and managed differently than it was 15-20 years ago. Front offices and field managers rely on statistical analysis in ways that weren’t heard of in the past.
I’ve always kinda thought that the Braves didn’t use stats enough either, but I think Wren has changed some of that culture. I do think that if they went as deep into their stats as their scouting, and used them both, they’d be a very, very good FO (but they are anyway IMO). I don’t think the saber stats are really that important at all for the field manager; I mean, lineup optimization is nice, but I haven’t read much that suggests it’s worth more than 1-2 wins per season, and given all the platoons and days off Bobby likes to give, it’s probably not worth the trouble.
What is Yunel’s major malfunction?
I think it’s because they normally don’t pile sh!t that high.
Seems as though I missed a good discussion today. Bummer. Ah well, don’t know if I’d have contributed much more than what was said. Good posts all around.
Steve from OH
September 8th, 2009
11:20 pm
Certainly not as hard as figuring that dang numbers code DOB uses when giving out the lineup!
Oh, Bravo!
Paul Lentz
September 8th, 2009
11:21 pm
Its good to see that we won the game tonight. However, judging from the offensive stats, I’m glad that I didnt have to sit through another dismal offensive performance. Only an outstanding start by Javier Vazquez saved us from losing our 6th in a row.
I’ve been busy the past week and a half, so I havent been able to come on here a lot (I know, I’m breaking your hearts, lol).
It’s just a shame that our starting pitching is going to be a waste. From the look of things, our offense decided to “cash” it in and start their vacation a month early.
This only confirms (if confirmation was really needed) that on overhaul is in order after the season is over regarding the coaching staff. If Bobby Cox were to announce after the last game of the season that he was going to retire from managing…..then the Braves could give him a proper send off.
However if he forces Frank Wren’s hand, then I hope that Wren has the fortitude to do the right thing in letting Bobby go. The Braves need someone to come in a manage this team in a way that will instill the desire to play with a “sense of urgency”. The past few weeks have been PATHETIC. I see absolutely NO LIFE in this team, no swagger on the field.
cabravesfan
September 8th, 2009
11:22 pm
Random-
you’re 11:18 pretty much summed up at least half the posters on the blog…loved it
Ebenezer Snerdberg
September 8th, 2009
11:22 pm
I’ve always wandered. How in Hell did Cobb hit like that with no batters eye?
cabravesfan
September 8th, 2009
11:24 pm
wow- total brain lock on my part there- should be “your” NOT “you’re”…VJ- I have self-corrected-no need to mock
Steve from OH
September 8th, 2009
11:25 pm
This only confirms (if confirmation was really needed) that on overhaul is in order after the season is over regarding the coaching staff.
So let me get this straight…good pitching + mediocre offense=need new coaching staff? You may want to re-check that…
P. W. Hjort
September 8th, 2009
11:29 pm
Haha, the Drunk Jays Fans Podcast this week mentions Toronto might be interested in Atlanta’s pitching surplus this off-season.
Anders
September 8th, 2009
11:29 pm
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! He’s back.
Oh, the Humanity!!!!
Random
September 8th, 2009
11:31 pm
cabravesfan — Thanx.
Steve from OH
September 8th, 2009
11:33 pm
Haha, the Drunk Jays Fans Podcast this week mentions Toronto might be interested in Atlanta’s pitching surplus this off-season.
I suppose I’d take Adam Lind or Travis Snider off their hands…hope Wren doesn’t do something stupid and bite on Aaron Hill’s career year…
Vinings Jim
September 8th, 2009
11:33 pm
cabravesfan – no mocking – just saying good night – taking the car in to get worked on at four in the morning (your time). Good night, darling!
cabravesfan
September 8th, 2009
11:34 pm
VJ-
It’s about time! I don’t like the idea of you driving around without breaks
P. W. Hjort
September 8th, 2009
11:36 pm
Yeah, not sold on Aaron Hill yet. Walk rate sucks. And he’s never hitting 30 homers again.
cabravesfan
September 8th, 2009
11:37 pm
another brain lock…I meant brakes, NOT breaks- lord, what is WRONG with me?? (VJ-self-corrected again, but that deserves mocking
)
Vinings Jim
September 8th, 2009
11:38 pm
cabravesfan – if you insist – no, I’m just glad you somehow realized the error of your ways without me correcting you
Ebenezer Snerdberg
September 8th, 2009
11:42 pm
cabravesfan:
Put down the mouse and slowly back away from the computer! Get some rest!
Goodnight and Good luck!
Mitchell
September 8th, 2009
11:43 pm
Random,
What was that all about?
cabravesfan
September 8th, 2009
11:47 pm
Ebenezer-
Probably a good idea (first day back at work after a 4 day weekend= brain lock
) I will take your advice…
Good Night All!
Vinings Jim
September 8th, 2009
11:47 pm
cabravesfan – Goodnight, my darling
Mitchell
September 8th, 2009
11:49 pm
Random,
You got me man. I am such an idiot.
Hey, I didn’t know what the numbers were. That’s why I asked. If I had thought about it I probably would have figured it out but I guess the damage is done.
I am so stupid man. What was I thinking? I wish I could be more like you, a guy who calls himself “Random”.
Yeah.
cabravesfan
September 8th, 2009
11:49 pm
Good Night VJ
Mitchell
September 8th, 2009
11:50 pm
Good night cabravesfan.
I’m glad you had a good laugh at my expense. Happy to be of service.
Steve from OH
September 8th, 2009
11:50 pm
kc_daniel: How much of a role does sabermetrics and high-level statistical analysis have with the Royals?
Moore: It is an important part of every decision that we make. In acquiring talent, we blend traditional scouting and statistical analysis with every decision we make. When we acquire a player, we recognize that there are deficiencies in some areas, but often times we are picking from a pool of players where there are many of those deficiencies but we use statistical analysis by evaluating every talent pool that exists. I was trained that way through John Schuerholz and others.
On the DMGM lie-o-meter, this ranks a…?
Either that, or he considers sabermetrics to be batting average and RBI…
Chop Chop
September 8th, 2009
11:55 pm
Dayton Moore’s great-grandfather was a Civil War cavalry officer who invented sabremetrics, Steve.
Steve from OH
September 8th, 2009
11:58 pm
You’re right, Chop Chop. What was I thinking, questioning the great DMGM?
David O'Brien
September 8th, 2009
11:58 pm
Escobar’s not hurt, Cox said. So no worries there (at least till we walk in the clubhouse tomorrow and hear his hip flexor or something is sore from that play)….
Everybody ahead of Braves in wild-card standings won tonight, in case you didn’t hear….
Vazquez has as many hits (10) in 24 at-bats in his last 13 starts as Norton has all season….
Praise flowing in clubhouse for Vazquez, who the Braves believe should have at least 18 wins and be a Cy Young favorite, if he’d had any luck this season….
Here’s game story, including quotes from Vazquez and Chipper about stranger things happening in pennant races, and Chipper referencing the Mets’ epic collapse of 2007 (they had a seven-game lead over Philly on Sept. 12, and missed the playoffs altogether)…
Of course, the difference being that the Phillies only had to catch one team, and played them head-to-head. Braves have to pass three teams in the wild-card race, and don’t play two of them. But hey, the fellas have got to believe, right?…
Oh, and there’s a Prado note at bottom. Because for the time being, we’re writing only game stories with a few notes attached to bottom, not separate notebooks. That is, of course, unless there’s something real newsy or the Braves reel off a winning streak and get a little closer to the wild-card lead.
By David O’Brien
dobrien@ajc.com
Houston – If it’s too late for the Braves, someone forgot to tell Javier Vazquez.
He showed again Tuesday why he’s been the true veteran ace of the staff, limiting the Houston Astros to three hits in seven scoreless innings of a 2-1 win that snapped the Braves’ five-game losing skid.
“We have to keep battling,” Vazquez said of the position the Braves are in — fourth place in the wild-card standings, seven games behind leader Colorado with 24 to play. “Crazier things have happened.”
Adam LaRoche and Nate McLouth hit home runs to supply all the offense for the Braves, and slumping third baseman Chipper Jones made the defensive play of the game on a barehanded catch-and-throw with bases loaded in the sixth to help the Braves win a series opener at Minute Maid Park.
But the night belonged to Vazquez (12-9), who had four walks and nine strikeouts, and didn’t allow a runner to reach second base until the sixth inning.
“Javy was just unbelievably good tonight,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said of the right-hander, whose nine strikeouts gave him 208 and his third consecutive 200-strikeout season. “He got out of jams. He walked a couple of guys, and came right back. Splendid job of clutch pitching….
“He could have 18 [wins]. He could be in the running for the Cy Young with any luck at all.”
With runners at second and third and one out in the seventh, Vazquez struck out left-handed pinch-hitter Darin Erstad and Michael Bourn to protect the 2-0 lead.
“I was looking for a strikeout there,” said Vazquez, who also contributed two hits of his own, making him 10-for-24 at the plate in his past 13 starts to raise his season average to .207.
The Astros, fresh off a four-game sweep of the Philadelphia that included three consecutive one-run wins, seemed poised to make things excruciating for recently erratic Mike Gonzalez in the eighth.
But after Kazuo Matsui flied out to the warning track and Lance Berkman singled, Carlos Lee hit a hard grounder to Gonzalez, who wheeled and threw to second to start an inning-ending double play.
The Astros scored in the ninth against closer Rafael Soriano, after Miguel Tejada’s leadoff triple.
In the sixth, Vazquez struck out Lance Berkman with runners at second and third and one out. Then after Vazquez walked Carlos Lee – the third walk of the inning – Miguel Tejada hit a sharp comebacker to the mound with two out, and the ball caromed off Vazquez’s glove to Jones.
Jones fielded it and threw in the same motion to get Tejada by a half-step.
“Not doing it with the bat, got to do it with the glove,” said Jones, who is 8-for-69 (.116) in his past 21 games and has two extra-base hits in his past 24 games. “I didn’t have much action tonight. But that play saved possibly a big inning. Javy knocked the ball down. He gets a lot of the credit.”
When someone mentioned to Jones what Vazquez had said about continuing to battle and how stranger things have happened in pennant races, Jones concurred.
“We’re seven games out of the wild card,” he said. “How many games were the Phillies behind the Mets a couple of years ago? It can happen.”
In 2007, New York had a seven-game lead over Philadelphia in the National League East standings on Sept. 12. The Mets lost 12 of their last 17 and missed the playoffs.
Prado frustrated, but determined
He was credited for being the sparkplug to the team’s midseason surge, and Martin Prado is frustrated after his recent headache problems and slump came at a crucial time for the Braves.
“We were so close [in the wild-card race],” he said. “Now there’s a long way to go…. I believe in God, a lot. If this happened to me at some point, I’ve just got to accept it. Every single player in the sport has passed through [a slump] like this.
“I’m a human being. All I can do is try my best, try to keep going, finish strong, and don’t give up.”
He hit .340 with 18 extra-base hits (five homers) and 28 RBIs in 38 games from June 30 to Aug.
13, and the Braves went 24-14. Prado won the second-base job and thrived in his first extensive duties.
Then came his bout with headaches that he believed were stress-related, from worrying about his mother after she was forced to return to violence-torn Venezuela after her visa expired.
Prado missed a week being tested and resting as he got accustomed to prescription medication.
In his 18 games since Aug. 13 Prado has hit .264 with two extra-base hits (one homer) and five RBIs, and the Braves are 6-12 in those games. After striking out with two runners on to end the second inning Tuesday, he singled and was picked off first base for the third out in the fifth.
jj4nlcy (on my psp)
September 8th, 2009
11:59 pm
Anders,
me?? or paul lentz??
Steve from OH
September 9th, 2009
12:03 am
and Martin Prado is frustrated after his recent headache problems and slump came at a crucial time for the Braves.
You know, he really needs to cut himself some slack. He’s had a great season and is a lot of the reason we’re here, offensively. I know that there are parts of his game I don’t like and parts I’m still skeptical about, but he’s been great for us for the last two years and he’s easy to root for.
Mitchell
September 9th, 2009
12:07 am
So Random…
I guess when they suddenly win a game after losing five in a row anybody who previously criticized them is now an idiot? Is that it?
I guess I’m kind of destined to be misunderstood. Poor me. That whole sarcasm thing doesn’t really translate well.
But did you notice how I said “Literally” after saying “they might as well quit… “? See, I was genuinely frustrated that they were performing poorly and losing games to inferior teams and I chose to express my disappointment in an overly dramatic, hyperbolic manner. They obviously aren’t going to cease playing games before the season has ended so when I say “literally” I’m acknowledging how ridiculous it is to say that by making it sound like I really believe it.
I was being ironic. My frustration was real but I was undercutting it with a little levity. That’s not to say that it was funny, it wasn’t really; I was just trying to amuse myself.
I guess if you have to explain it, it’s really not funny.
But feel free to use me as an example of the idiots on the Braves blog… who use their real names.
David O'Brien
September 9th, 2009
12:09 am
Steve from OH: Easier said than done, unfortunately. Prado puts a lot of pressure on himself, always has. But you’re right.
HoCoJo
September 9th, 2009
12:10 am
Javy could be the next 30 game winner, somewhere.
good-nite ladies and germs.
Steve from OH
September 9th, 2009
12:17 am
By the way (before I head to bed), great song, DOB. And props for introducing me to Steve Earle…
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:18 am
jj4nlcy (on my psp) – Mr Lentz for sure.
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:24 am
Santana said to tell Vasquez he’ll see him at the “With just a little luck I could have been a Cy Young Contender” convention this winter. The Braves might not score runs for Javy while Santana left 7 games last year he was leading that the bullpen gave away. Stuff happens.
Lou Vales(the Pee guy)
September 9th, 2009
12:30 am
Dave, It’s too late. Really!! You are way too good for this. You don’t need this to generate Blog activity. I’ll continue to show up and the team I follow that has NO chance has a 2 game lead on the team you write about.
Why are you doing this! Boog and Goldberg defending Rose against allegations that he bet on baseball made more sense than this. Boog insisting to me that Steve Spurrier was going to be the head coach of the Saints in the 90’s made more sense. Bobby Bowden being allowed to wander on a sideline as “Coach In Name Only” makes more sense than this. Mark Richt playing a kid at QB because he has stuck around makes more sense than this. People still not understanding what Johnson has going at Tech makes more sense than this. Believing Nick Saban when his lips are moving makes more sense than this. Thinking Kentucky will not be vacating wins in men’s basketball makes more sense than this. Tommy Bowden thinking he will EVER be a head coach of a major program makes more sense than this——–Dave, The Braves are NOT making the playoffs. Stop it!!! Rib eyes, Strips, Delmonicos, T-Bones, Jazz, Hip-Hop, Rap, Bluegrass, Country Rock, Janice Ian, Billy jack theme music–ANYTHING!!
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:30 am
Hello, hello hellooooo
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:34 am
Danny Harrison (George’s son) on the tonight show pushing the new Beatles video game that’s a huge hit already for anyone that’s interested. he’s a small guy with unusually large ears. Did Ric Ocasek ever hang with the Harrisons?
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:36 am
Lou Vales – DOB has basically given the Braves about a 1000 to 1 shot at this point.
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:38 am
What’s the record for consecutive posts?
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:38 am
Has Atlanta lost all power?
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:39 am
Must….Resist….posting…to….myself.
Lou Vales(the Pee guy)
September 9th, 2009
12:40 am
Anders, When I see the number “1,000-1″ that will make sense. I guarantee the words do not equate to “1,000-1″ and I believe you know it.
Lou Vales(the Pee guy)
September 9th, 2009
12:41 am
Do you want me to let you break it?
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:45 am
Nah, no matter how many records I have on here they’ll never vote me into the AJC Blog HOF. I’m a cross between Pete Rose and Ty Cobb in character with many on here.
Lou Vales(the Pee guy)
September 9th, 2009
12:49 am
Anders, NEVER compare yourself to Petey. Although he did hand my little girl an extra special toy one day at his restaurant in Boca.
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:52 am
The Mets could not have picked a better year to open their new park. They’re hopelessly out of it, everyone’s hurt, the economy sucks,Tim Redding was pitching, it was about 65 degrees on a damp Tuesday night and it’s the first day of school today in NY yet they drew 37K toight.
They wouldn’t have had 3700 total at Shea under the same conditions.
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:54 am
The Yanks had 45K just 8 miles away. Money, money, money.
nolie
September 9th, 2009
12:54 am
I’m a cross between Pete Rose and Ty Cobb in character with many on here. (Anders)
and that’s on your better days
Anders
September 9th, 2009
12:55 am
What up Nolie? You just rolling in?
Mitchell
September 9th, 2009
12:55 am
Hello… hello… hello…
jj4nlcy (on my psp)
September 9th, 2009
12:58 am
I know I hold the record for most posts @ the top of the page.
Mitchell
September 9th, 2009
1:00 am
Woah, Anders,
I didn’t see your post. I was just trying to see if my comment was going to posted. You have company.
I had a nice long response to Random a while ago but, lucky me, it got deleted. That was fun. I tried to save what I wrote but then my computer froze and I lost it.
He was making fun of me behind my back for what he perceived as foolish comments and I was trying tell him that he’s an idiot and that his name is stupid.
Who’s the dumb one now?
I don’t know.
Anders
September 9th, 2009
1:02 am
Well, I’m out kids. Tell your friends I was here after a Braves win. There’s a viscous rumor going around that I only show in the gloom of Braves defeats.
Later.
Bay Area Steve
September 9th, 2009
1:41 am
Random, Anders,
great stuff about Mitchell’s post.
And, Mitchell, way to man-up, and own it. But, please tell me, can you really think that someone who doesn’t know what those numbers mean, would better lead the Braves than those currently in charge?
McFann, you’re like eighteen. Whoopy-Wow is not acceptable. At least jerkish-nutbag it.
RHR, got the link; thank you. But, very few comments, and none from bubd; what am I missing?
Fungo:
Anybody else find it interesting that the two sites ‘OB found defined fungoes as “hit in the air?” A grounder hit with a fungo doesn’t qualify? C’mon, anything hit with a fungo bat, is a fungo, right?
Bay Area Steve
September 9th, 2009
1:47 am
Anders pimping Citi Field, while neglecting to mention the fact that Jerry Seinfeld’s luxury-box leaks like the N-Word from Kramer.
OK, that joke sucks. But there’s somethin’ there.
…leaks like Georgia’s run defense…like an eighty-five-year-old-man with a prostate the size of Lentz’ ego…like ugabrave after the fifteenth beer.
Ok, all those jokes suck. But there’s something there.
Bay Area Steve
September 9th, 2009
2:07 am
Preface: love Escobar. Man-crush, almost, for his skills. By the way, is there a more ridiculous term than man-crush? Staycation, maybe?
Love me some Esco; begged he not be traded for Peavy, or anybody really.
But, if the Braves could get an equitable return, I’d trade him. Now, I’ll say, I don’t think the Braves could get what I think his full-value in return. His numbers, at what he’s paid, are nearly best in the league. But, the dude’s got issues, and his value’ll probably never be higher.
What I hope, is that dude shows up next year, and for the next five years, with the ability to stay on the field for 155 games, whether things are going well, or not. I’m starting to wonder if that’s in him. I hope I’m wrong; I hope that I’m like one of these guys saying the Braves are not playing with fire, or URGENCY. But, I’m afraid I’m seeing a guy who cares more about the show, than his team. And, not for one play; going on nearly three years. The fact that he’s still whistling like that, when he knows nobody wants it…
I think if the Braves had a MLB-capable SS, he’d have been traded already.
Bay Area Steve
September 9th, 2009
2:15 am
Steve from OH,
Have you seen scouting reports, or video, of Bumgarner? Watched his start tonight, first I’d seen him, and he appeared, to me, to be exactly as you’ve described Minor. You’ve any thoughts on Bumgarner’s stuff? Is his command what’s allowed him to put up these incredible minor-league numbers? ‘Cause I found his stuff unimpressive, at least relative to the hype out here in SF.
Bay Area Steve
September 9th, 2009
2:39 am
Preface: love Escobar. Man-crush, almost, for his skills. By the way, is there a more ridiculous term than man-crush? Staycation, maybe?
Love me some Esco; begged he not be traded for Peavy, or anybody really.
But, if the Braves could get an equitable return, I’d trade him. Now, I’ll say, I don’t think the Braves could get what I think is his full-value in return. His numbers, at what he’s paid, are nearly best in the league. But, the dude’s got issues, and his value’ll probably never be higher.
What I hope, is that dude shows up next year, and for the next five years, with the ability to stay on the field for 155 games, whether things are going well, or not. I’m starting to wonder if that’s in him. I hope I’m wrong; I hope that I’m like one of these guys saying we’re not playing with fire, or URGENCY. But, I’m starting to see a guy who cares more about the show, than his team. And, not one play, going on nearly three years. The fact that he’s still whistling like that, when he knows nobody wants it…
I think if the Braves had a MLB-capable SS, Esco’d have already been traded.
nolie
September 9th, 2009
2:51 am
(BAS)
here’s what one site has to say about him.
Watching on TV can be pretty misleading at times.
Statistically speaking: It’s hard to imagine a better statistical season than Bumgarner’s first full professional campaign. He led the Minors with his 1.46 ERA, was third in strikeouts with 164 and tied for fifth in wins with 15. He was seventh with a 10.42 K/9 ratio and led lefties in all the aforementioned categories.
Scouting report: The left-hander debuted in pro ball with one pitch — though that offering was a plus, plus fastball that easily hits the mid-90s with good late life. His curve and slider have shown great progress and the changeup is improving as well, though perhaps lags a bit behind the others. He also has excellent command on both sides of the plate. His work ethic is off the charts and he has excellent mound presence.
Upside potential: The kind of left-handed ace that everyone wants, but few possess.
They said it: “I’m running out of superlatives. I’ve never seen a player do the things he’s done. I’ve never seen a player grow that fast and quickly. What he did was staggering. … That’s an unstoppable force, when you have that kind of talent and that kind of desire to get better. I think he’s going to be a very special player for a very long time at the Major League level.