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MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:22 pm
Swamp retards! ROTFLMAO. . .
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:22 pm
Playoffs party at our house!
Looks like the Braves are bringing the beers after all!!
Suckers.
Thats one of the funniest thing I heard in a long time, wrong, but funny… HAHA
Bobby Cox
August 30th, 2009
11:22 pm
Zzzzzzzzzz….
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:22 pm
Come on gang dont be so hard on Norton…………lets be honest………where would the braves be without Norton?
TnBrian
August 30th, 2009
11:22 pm
Philly fan, no redneck here, but I’ll bet you anything that I would rip your ass to shreds. The thought of what I would do to you is even scaring me. But, good for you that it’s no more than talk on a blog, right?
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:24 pm
Sorry, JJ4NLCY, but cracky otis is stealing the show. This guy is fun-ny!
Ebenezer Snerdberg
August 30th, 2009
11:25 pm
To paraphrase ‘Clue’. It was Blobby Clux,in the visiting dougout,with a line-up card! RIP 2009!
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:25 pm
Yeah, I guess. How late you staying up? I got a few new zingers…
Probably another hour or so tops. I don’t feel so good today.
Zing away but I can’t promise I’ll be able to return them tonight.
The A Bomb
August 30th, 2009
11:25 pm
You know, Bobby, the Zzzzzzzzzz thing needs to be addressed.
Like last night when you kept Moylan in to pitch to Utley with Gonzalez in the bullpen. Did McDowell wake you up from your catnap to ask you if it was OK to put Gonzalez in against Howard?
Rock On........
August 30th, 2009
11:26 pm
Great game by Prado! Where would this team be without him. Guaranteed it wouldn’t be pretty. Now the Phils can’t lay an egg against San Fran. We need help.
FEAR
August 30th, 2009
11:26 pm
It’s a real shame Bobby Cox died a few years ago.
Bring up Conrad
August 30th, 2009
11:26 pm
WELL DONE JJ!!!! A good start. Next year things will be better. Hang in thre.
TnBrian
August 30th, 2009
11:26 pm
Philly fan, one more thing… how’s it that you northerners(no offense to other northerners here) can talk smack about the south being a “redneck paradise” yet you all are moving down here by the thousands each month it seems? I have some northern friends and they tell me it’s so much better in the south. So, why is that?
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:27 pm
lol Doc, where is this positive energy coming from?
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:27 pm
Sorry, JJ4NLCY, but cracky otis is stealing the show. This guy is fun-ny!
What? I’m confused…
But I assure you know one steals away the show from Kris!
Although, I am not putting on a show, I will tomorrow though…
Thats gunna be good.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:27 pm
Doc, if Norton did not exist in Braves World, guys like Conrad, possibly Cañizares, and now Infante would be building at-bats that would make our bench stronger by virtue of useful, not wasted, experience. . .
Since you asked.
Mitch C
August 30th, 2009
11:28 pm
Tonight’s loss to Philly finished us in the NL East race. Philly will be the NL East champs for the third year in a row.
As for the wild card, we are still alive, but, if we dont pick it up, we will be gone there as well. While one logically cant rake us over the coals for losing two of three to the division leaders in their ballpark, those losses to the woeful Padres earlier this week really, really hurt.
It doesnt get any easier, going to Florida for four games. Hopefully Huddy coming back will help. Reality is, though, unless we start playing better, our chances even for the wild card will fade away just like the hopes for the NL East did.
Mitch
Ebenezer Snerdberg
August 30th, 2009
11:28 pm
Ditto on Lentz’s 10:51
Mixxo
August 30th, 2009
11:29 pm
G’night lovers, lets see if we can raise some banana-shaped arches tomorrow in Miami. You know, for the stretch run.
otisnixonsmokescrack
August 30th, 2009
11:30 pm
TnBrian…I don’t go that way Clay Akins…You must’ve logged onto the wrong site again….Remember this is the site that doesn’t require a credit card. haha.. I’m glad I’m -issing you off though… The cherry on the top of a series win over the not so ready for prime time Braves… Bobby Cox’s computer says: You got mail. Bobby says: I got mail. You got mail. I got mail. You mail. I got mail. Yayyy……….
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:31 pm
SARCASM?
I hate Norton………he and KJ are taking the same drug.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:31 pm
Hell, even Pete Orr hits fly balls for the gNats. I’ll take that over Norton striking out.
N8
August 30th, 2009
11:31 pm
“Chipper has a bad month and now his career is over???” njbraves
Nope. By the standard he has set and the bar he has raised for himself (signing the extension was his way of stating that he can and will match what he’s done in the past), he has had 4 “bad months”.
His power is down (HR wise), and due to nobody being on base ahead of him, his RBI are down. So the question has to be asked? Why not bat him somewhere else in the lineup? Why not move the 1-2 hitters around so he has more opportunity to knock in runs? Or how about move Chipper into the 2-hole and let somebody else drive HIM in, since he’s walking a fair amount still, leading to a decent OBP?
It’s decisions like this that cause people to rag on Bobby for being too loyal.
Been saying it for weeks. There is still plenty room for Chipper on this team. But until he is NOT the focal point of the offense (or he gets back to being the guy that they gave the extension to), we will struggle to be consistent offensively.
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
11:31 pm
Here’s story with quotes, unedited:
By David O’Brien
dobrien@ajc.com
Philadelphia – One rough defensive inning sunk the Braves on Sunday night, and their hopes of gaining another game in the playoff chase before leaving Philadelphia.
The Phillies broke a tie with two runs in the seventh inning and held on for a 3-2 win at Citizens Bank Park, clinching a second series win against the Braves in barely two weeks.
“One thing about playing the Phillies is, you can’t make mistakes,” said third baseman Chipper Jones, whose throwing error on a bunt led to an unearned run in the seventh. “We made a couple of mistakes, and it ended up burning us.”
The loss dropped the Braves back into a third-place tie with the Marlins in the wild-card race, 3-1/2 games behind co-leader Colorado and San Francisco. They open a four-game series against the Marlins tonight in Florida.
The Braves and Marlins are also tied for second place in the National League East, albeit a full eight games behind Philadelphia.
“You’re rolling along and something crazy like that happens and costs you the game. Braves starter Jair Jurrjens (10-9) said of the seventh inning. “If we win, we get close to the wild card [lead]. It sucks. But there’s a lot of games to go. We’ve just got to keep playing hard and trying to win series.”
Jurrjens walked Raul Ibanez to start the seventh, before Jones fielded a surprise drag bunt by Pedro Feliz. Jones bare-handed the ball and threw a little wide to Martin Prado covering first.
Prado looked reluctant to reach further into the path of Feliz barreling toward the base. The throw went past his glove and put runners at second and third.
“I wasn’t playing in [expecting bunt],” Jones said. “It’s just a do-or-die play, and I was making a throw to a guy [Prado] on the run. I thought I made a good throw. I guess I didn’t. I guess it tailed a little too much.
“The play didn’t get made, and it ended up costing us two runs and the game.”
Carlos Ruiz following by hitting a double that popped out of left fielder Garret Anderson’s glove after he raced to the warning track. It would have been an fine catch if he’d held on. He did not, and the Braves trailed 3-1.
“He pitched a great game again in this ballpark,” Braves manager Bobby Cox said of Jurrjens, who gave up three runs (two earned) and seven hits in seven innings. “That inning just got crazy. Ibanez walked … and we threw the ball away.”
Jurrjens surrendered a Chase Utley homer in the fourth, but had worked out of all other trouble until the seventh, when he walked Ibanez to start the inning.
He had wiggled out of a bases-loaded, no-outs jam in the fifth after walking Ibanez to start that inning.
The Braves had one more prime scoring opportunity in the eighth against reliever Ryan Madson, after Matt Diaz was hit by a pitch to start the inning. Prado, whose first-inning homer had staked the Braves to a 1-0 lead, singled to move Diaz to second, and Jones singled to drive him in and cut the lead to 3-2.
Brian McCann then hit a liner to second baseman Utley to start a double play.
Many in the sellout crowd were still finding their seats when Prado homered with one out in the first, a moon shot that landed in the left-field seats. It was his second homer in seven career at-bats against Joe Blanton.
The Braves had a chance to do more damage in the first after walks by Jones and Anderson, before Yunel Escobar grounded out to end the inning.
They also stranded two in the fourth when rookie Reid Gorecki took a called strike to end the inning.
The Phillies had only one baserunner through three innings against Jurrjens, who was 2-0 with an 0.87 ERA and no homers allowed in three starts at the cozy ballpark before Sunday.
Pete Orr
August 30th, 2009
11:32 pm
Norton — I’m gonna take your job next year. Here I come (again) Atlanta!
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:33 pm
Heres that question again…………..why didnt McCann bunt in the 8th?
I just cant understand it…….
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:34 pm
Probably another hour or so tops. I don’t feel so good today.
Zing away but I can’t promise I’ll be able to return them tonight.
Your so ugly, Your momma had sex with a man to just not look at…
Wait, ok
Your so ugly, that you go to a store and they say, “Your Ug…”
Wait, Hmm
How does that go?
Ok
Your so ugly that..
Wait
Your so fat that there is no room in your car..
DAMN!
Hold on…
You are the sort of woman who, when asked what you thought of Red China, would say you didn’t mind it providing that it didn’t clash with the decor…
Jake W.
August 30th, 2009
11:36 pm
TnBrian I realize just as much as anyone here that Chipper isn’t getting it done and Mac is not the ideal clean-up guy, but I also realize that we went into that Philly series just like the last one a little shorthanded. Add to that the rain managed to knock out Tommy Hanson and everyone knows that starting pitching is our strength. Not one of those games were the phillies without Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Werth, Ibanez or any of their regulars. Mac being a cather and having struggles right now isn’t that surprising. He’s a good player, I just think he’s counted on to do to much. Jimmy Rollins struggles and the phillies can sit him. Can’t afford to do that with Chipper because of the other injuries. They would have the better offense regardless if we had all our guys but since we didn’t it shows how much behind the eightball we had been these last two series offensively speaking. Phillies are a good team, its hard to beat them with the full compliment.
David Justice
August 30th, 2009
11:36 pm
Its gonna be hard this time to ask fans to show up and get crazy in the ballpark.
atlwolf
August 30th, 2009
11:36 pm
DOB, doesn’t ANYONE at the AJC have the stones to ask Frank Wren why Greg Norton still has a roster spot?
The A Bomb
August 30th, 2009
11:36 pm
“I thought I made a good throw. I guess I didn’t.”
What is Chipper talking about — the game or putting another teammate under the bus?
When guys like Pedro Feliz outthink you — maybe Steve Phillips is right — this could be the beginning of the end.
ryan
August 30th, 2009
11:37 pm
Cox and his man norton get rid of both of them.Should of been an error on are DH in left field.Bring back frenchy at least in would want to be in lineup more than we can say about CHURCH.
jeffrey d
August 30th, 2009
11:37 pm
Heres that question again…………..why didnt McCann bunt in the 8th?
When did McCann become Bunt Master-B? He has THREE sacrifices since 2006. Plus, regardless of whether or not you think he’s a cleanup hitter, he’s not a player you ask to bunt.
He hit the ball hard. Just right at Rollins. It happens.
Greg Maddux
August 30th, 2009
11:38 pm
You guys are terrible, I was thinking about playing again and help your offense, but you are a total disgrace, I rather play golf. Cya
Daybed Wagmoe
August 30th, 2009
11:39 pm
What I don’t understand is…
Why is Bobby starting Reid Gorecki over Omar Infante in CF? Gorecki, a rookie, has proven to be overmatched against major league pitching, and he’s failed — specifically by striking out — in key moments of games several times, i.e. when we have runners on first and second with only one out. Infante, on the other hand, is a veteran hitter, has good career numbers against Joe Blanton (2-for-6 with 1 double) and Cliff Lee (8-for-21, .381, with a 2B and 3B, though the Lee numbers don’t matter much). He’s also struck out only 15 times this year, so he at least puts the bat on the ball.
I that Cox has the tendency to throw the rookies into the fire and let them show what they have, and who knows if Infante would’ve done any better than Gorecki did tonight, but it seems like Infante would’ve been the smarter choice to start in CF….for what it’s worth.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:39 pm
ENOUGH WITH THE ROLE PLAYING!!!
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:39 pm
Maybe I’m reading too much into it but I don’t like the way Chipper talked about that bunt. Love the guy, but he could’ve answered questions about that without making it sound like he put the whole thing on Prado. Just me though.
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
11:39 pm
OK, here’s an amazing stat. I can’t eleven starts in which Jurrjens has pitched six innings or more while allowing two earned runs or fewer … and not gotten a win. ELEVEN!
jeffrey d
August 30th, 2009
11:40 pm
Cox and his man norton get rid of both of them.Should of been an error on are DH in left field.Bring back frenchy at least in would want to be in lineup more than we can say about CHURCH.
ryan’s either drunk or a caveman.
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:40 pm
JJ -
Wow, is that all you got?
ArkyTech
August 30th, 2009
11:40 pm
So let me get this straight. No Hudson tomorrow because we can’t afford to make a roster move. In other words, we couldn’t risk playing 10 days without Greg Norton? Are you kidding me?!
Frank Wren
August 30th, 2009
11:40 pm
Hey, Braves fans!
Be sure to come out to Turner Field on September 4th when your Atlanta Braves face the Cincinnati Reds.
All seats in the entire ballpark will be $6 to honor Bobby Cox’s retirement, effective immediately.
Greg Maddux
August 30th, 2009
11:41 pm
jeffrey d,
You dont need a bunt master………..you need your new leader to do what it is needed in order to get a W. He gets paid millions, you cant tell me he cant lay down a bunt, can you? He is a catcher………..is there a catcher in the majors that can lay down a bunt???????
Helloooooooooo
The Devil
August 30th, 2009
11:41 pm
Yes! GO Phillies! Muhaha! I Hate EVERYTHING! There is nothing Jesus can do you know! Only a monster like can spawn Cliff Lee and Chase Utley!
MUHAHAHA!
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
11:41 pm
Cox on Jurrjens and how his record (10-9) isn’t indicative of his performance, including a 2.89 ERA:
“He’s turned into an ace. He’s a guy you ride. He’s had absolutely no luck.”
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:42 pm
lol Doc, you just gave yourself away.
Jesus
August 30th, 2009
11:42 pm
No! I will stop you! I have created Jason Heyward and Jair Jurrjens! They will destroy you! Jesus wins again!
Rock On........
August 30th, 2009
11:43 pm
Why am I feeling real uneasy about KK pitching Monday and Hudson on Tuesday. Fingers crossed for sure!
The Devil
August 30th, 2009
11:43 pm
Jesus Christ!
You foiled me again!
Greg Maddux
August 30th, 2009
11:43 pm
David O’Brien
August 30th, 2009
11:39 pm
OK, here’s an amazing stat. I can’t eleven starts in which Jurrjens has pitched six innings or more while allowing two earned runs or fewer … and not gotten a win. ELEVEN!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
that stat aint helping this blog tonight.
The Devil & Jesus
August 30th, 2009
11:43 pm
Brought to you be Jurrjens4NLCY…
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:44 pm
Thank you, Thank you…
jeffrey d
August 30th, 2009
11:44 pm
Why is it when Diaz lays down a bunt he’s a retard, but the very “obvious” play was for McCann to bunt tonight?
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:44 pm
If McCann is asked to bunt, what guarantee do you have he lays one down? Two bunts fouled off and the guy is in the hole 0-2. When do you see a “cleanup hitter” bunt? You don’t ask people to do things they are not accustomed to in the new baseball climate. Not like the old days where even Mickey Mantle knew how to bunt (according to Joe Morgan).
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
11:45 pm
As for Sept. callups: I think with the McLouth and Church situations, Braves will bring up an extra outfielder, which they had indicated they probably wouldn’t have done otherwise. My guess is either B. Jones, Blanco or Barton, but probably not more than one of them.
We’ll see Conrad soon, I’m sure. And probably at least one reliever.
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:45 pm
Soph,
Leave me alone……….Im not having a good night here…………LOL
Jake W.
August 30th, 2009
11:47 pm
“Why am I feeling real uneasy about KK pitching Monday and Hudson on Tuesday. Fingers crossed for sure!”
Maybe you aren’t really uneasy about KK pitching, maybe you are more uneasy about who’s pitching for the marlins against this offense. I mean the question every night really isn’t how will the starting pitching do. Its will the offense give the starting pitching enough runs to win.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:47 pm
DOB, Why am I not suprised?
Trade JJ, I wanna be Jurrjens4ALCY now…
The A Bomb
August 30th, 2009
11:47 pm
DOB — you just confirmed it — we should have a pair of 20-game winners this year — Jurrjens and Vazquez.
I’ve never seen a team waste superior starting pitching like this one.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:47 pm
*surprised
Beelzebub
August 30th, 2009
11:47 pm
Don’t forget that part about the first born, Greg Norton.
We had a deal…
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:47 pm
Doc,
It’s okay, I don’t think anyone on here is having a good night.
[looks at JJ]
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:49 pm
Why is it when Diaz lays down a bunt he’s a retard, but the very “obvious” play was for McCann to bunt tonight?
You can’t see that?
Diaz was bunting to get a run in…
Mac needed to bunt to move the runners over and stay out of the double play, PLUS he is facing a lefty AND GA is good against leftys…
Mitchell
August 30th, 2009
11:49 pm
Chop Chop
August 30th, 2009
11:03 pm
Mitchell,
The stiffs on ESPN even mentioned the game Lidge blew against us a few weeks ago. You don’t pay enough attention. You’re not obsessing enough on the details, dude. You need to step your game up.
That’s why I didn’t mention it. He made an error. Utley made a horrible play before it to allow Anderson to get on base.
In every conventional save situation against the Braves, Lidge has converted.
He was perfect last year as we all know but in almost every save opportunity against him, we were one hit away from giving him a blown save. Even the “Kelly Johnson game”, they had a two run lead in the tenth and Yunel got a hit with runners on but Victorino threw out Blanco at the plate to end it. It doesn’t get any closer than that.
It’s one thing to have missed opportunities against him when he’s pitching well but then he starts having a bad year and his blown save against us comes on an error.
He did give up a grand slam to Brian last year in the 9th inning but we were already ahead at that point.
It’s just indicative of the Braves inability to get clutch hits and score runs late in games. Good teams do it. The Braves don’t.
armchair baseball genius
August 30th, 2009
11:49 pm
Mickey Mantle was………overrated.
Rock On........
August 30th, 2009
11:49 pm
Well if Cox likes throwing rookies into the fire I know a kid named Heyward he can throw.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:50 pm
Wow, is that all you got?
Is that all you got?
C’ mon!
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:51 pm
jeffrey d,
sorry, but I defended Diaz bunt 100%, it was a great call, bad execution…… If it happens again, I would be happy watching him doing it again. I like small ball……….Bobby was hoping for a Mc HR ………unfortunately for us
Jake W.
August 30th, 2009
11:51 pm
“I’ve never seen a team waste superior starting pitching like this one.”
I think Matt Cain and Giants fans would disagree with you.
jeffrey d
August 30th, 2009
11:51 pm
JJ – my point was….with men on and the game on the line, I’d want either Diaz or McCann doing what they do best – swinging the bat.
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:52 pm
JJ -
Cleanup hitters aren’t expected to bunt. Can’t expect Mac to do that there.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:52 pm
Plus, with our bench (or lack thereof), what guarantee do you have that Anderson or Escobar drive in the tying run? In that situation, we were lucky – Bobby might’ve brought in Norton for Anderson against Eyre.
BA-ZING!
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
11:53 pm
DOB, if you do not ask Bobby why he insists on Norton, you are not doing your job. The question needs to be asked. Did Bobby slip Infante a roofy??? — MiaBchBravesFan
Just so I’m clear, is asking Bobby if he slipped Infante a roofy also part of me doing my job, or just the question about Norton? Please clarify so that I can do fulfill job responsibilities.
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:53 pm
Jurrjens4NLCY,
You agree the bunt was the call to make?
Greg Norton AKA "Mr. Clutch"
August 30th, 2009
11:54 pm
Time to put this team on my shoulders…AGAIN.
Pansies.
jeffrey d
August 30th, 2009
11:54 pm
Doc – I think the Diaz bunt was a good idea too.
I just don’t like how after it ended up being a double play, there were a lot of ifs and should’ves on here. As if McCann bunting was the obvious, sure fire answer to get runs in.
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:54 pm
JJ, your mama’s so fat she sat on a Nintendo Gamecube and it turned into a gameboy.
There, I win.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:54 pm
It’s okay, I don’t think anyone on here is having a good night.
I’m having fun making myself laugh…
jeffrey d
August 30th, 2009
11:54 pm
should say: after MCCANN’S bunt ended up being a double play*
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
11:55 pm
Sorry, Jake, but the Giants only waste Lincecum and Cain. We waste JJ, Lowe, Vazquez, and Hanson. My scorecard reads 4-2 Braves.
Now that is a waste.
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:55 pm
DOB,
I think the Norton Q would do. But I would also add the question about asking Mc to bunt in the 8th.
RHR
August 30th, 2009
11:55 pm
DOB – is something wrong with infante? Or is it just that geico kid has more OF experience (to offset his zero mlb hitting experience??) Its an injury, right?
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:57 pm
JJ, your mama’s so fat she sat on a Nintendo Gamecube and it turned into a gameboy.
There, I win.
Not yet…
Yo momma like a hockey team…changes her pads every three periods!
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:57 pm
Did you guys want Mac to bunt before he hit into the double play? I wasn’t paying attention to the blog then.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
11:58 pm
You agree the bunt was the call to make?
In hindsight, yes. But its best not to dwell on the past…
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
11:59 pm
DOB…I’ve asked you in this blog, asked Schultz, and asked Carol I believe also….why isnt anyone from the AJC asking Cox why he keeps putting Norton in there in key situations??? Doesn’t that question HAVE to be asked? Its getting to the point that Bobby’s loyalty is getting completely ridiculous with Norton…
Doc Holiday
August 30th, 2009
11:59 pm
jeffrey d,
If a Mc bunt would have ended up in a DP I would be giving hell to Mc, not to Cox. Maybe at least faking the bunt so the defense was moving around……….. Cox and our guys just have ZERO creativity………everybody in the world knew Mc was not bunting………so, why not surprise the phillies? You think if they are caught off guard (which would have been the case) would have ended up as a DP?
Soph
August 30th, 2009
11:59 pm
JJ -
That one was stupid.
Jake W.
August 30th, 2009
11:59 pm
MiaBchBravesFan
Well, i wasn’t just talking about this year. They wasted a Cy Young year by Lincecum last year plus a good year by Cain. Lincecum and Cain are doing it again this year with sub 3.00 ERA’s at 2.33 and 2.39 and Zito has been great for them in the second half, don’t know the exact numbers but the guy has been solid as of late. I think they definatly have a beef.
David O'Brien
August 31st, 2009
12:00 am
Gamecock Brave: DaddyD’z and Wyatt’s (both on Memorial Dr. in Atlanta) are better, in my opinion, than Fox Bros., although it (Fox Bros.) is quite good, too. Daddy D’z is the best in Atlanta, for me. I also like Pig-N-Chik and Fat Matt’s, though not as much as those others. And I know there’s a place north of the perimeter that’s supposed to be outstanding, but I don’t get up there.
Horatio Cornholder
August 31st, 2009
12:00 am
Atlanta Braves 2009: not with a bang, but with a whimper.
ChurchMan
August 31st, 2009
12:00 am
Everything I read about Hudson not starting tomorrow gives me an uneasy feeling about how KK will pitch. Sounds like he’s rushing around, didn’t expect to start, and might not be in form to pitch a good game.
Maybe it’ll turn out good, but on paper it sounds like a short outing in the making
N8
August 31st, 2009
12:01 am
“OK, here’s an amazing stat. I can’t eleven starts in which Jurrjens has pitched six innings or more while allowing two earned runs or fewer … and not gotten a win. ELEVEN!” DOB
Yet many will still argue that all the pitching is more important than the lack of hitting. This is a PRIME example of what I’m talking about.
KK has gotten no run support, Vazquez’s record isn’t a true representation of his dominance on the mound, and JJJ can’t buy a win.
I stand by my point. One less pitcher, and one big bat, and the overall team record improves. Even if whoever the pitcher is that mans the 5th spot in the rotation is horrible.
So here’s Wren’s dilema this winter, provided payroll doesn’t drastically improve, and free agents aren’t lining up to sign with Atlanta (meaning, that I assume Wren will need to make some trades)…
Lowe isn’t going anywhere. Nobody wants 3 more years of that contract. And even if somebody did, it would hinder Wren in luring future free agents.
KK would actually be attractive to many teams out there at his price. But if Wren trades him after one year, you can kiss any future Japanese players choosing Atlanta. But at his price, he should be retained. Low risk, with the possibility of high reward.
JJJ, he would bring quite a bit in a trade. Young. Dominant. Inexpensive (for now). All the same reasons that a team with limited salary should keep him.
Tommy Hanson (yeah, right).
Tim Hudson? High priced (but reasonable if he is healthy), and coming off of major surgery. Not going to get much in return. Might get somebody to risk it if he looks really good in September. But I doubt it.
Which brings us to Vazquez. Essentially, he and Hudson are in the same boat contract wise. Around 11-12 million and will be entering the last year of their contract.
One guy is having a Cy Young like season (without the wins), and the other is about to make his season debut in September. One is a lifetime .500 or so pitcher who was publicly called out by his last manager as not being a “big game” pitcher. The other has a stellar winning percentage when given 3 runs of support or more and has plenty of playoff experience.
I think if one of Hudson and Vazquez is to be kept, it will be Hudson based on trade value. But here’s the thing. What if Wren was to trade BOTH of them?
Hudson is not yet a 10/5 guy on this contract. 2010 will be year 5 of him being with the Braves. So thank JS that he didn’t give out no-trade clauses.
A rotation of Hanson, JJJ, KK and Lowe, with somebody else manning the 5-hole (Medlen, other trades or free agent pickups – preferably a lefty), and the salary freedom to add a BIG bat via trade, (which would allow them to take their time with Heyward), wouldn’t be that bad.
Would mean not much depth in the rotation. But who knows?
If I’m Wren, I think about trading both of them. If Bobby really believes that JJJ and Hanson are “ace” material, with KK and Lowe manning the 3 and 4 spots, the top of the rotation is pretty solid if not great. Why not?
Of course if payroll is allowed to rise, then keep one of Hudson and Vazquez and trade the other for a stop gap bat.
Thoughts?
jeffrey d
August 31st, 2009
12:01 am
That one was stupid.
Actually that one was disgusting
Ebenezer Snerdberg
August 31st, 2009
12:01 am
Blobby Clux is quite a magician. He can take one of the best starting rotations and one of the best hitting lineups and turn them into losers. Yo,DOB,how ’bout we call up a manager in September and send one down. Way down. About 6 feet down.
otisnixonsmokescrack
August 31st, 2009
12:01 am
Wayne’s World. Party time! Excellent… The Braves loose… Their fans are fools….Bobby Cox is such a tool…
MiaBchBravesFan
August 31st, 2009
12:02 am
Doc, if they would’ve flashed McCann the bunt sign, they would’ve needed a defibrulator for Brian.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 31st, 2009
12:02 am
That one was stupid.
No it wasn’t. You know it was good, I know it was good, DOB and the rest of the blog knows it was good…
How about this:
Yo momma so stupid she went to Disney World and saw a sign that said “Disney World – Left” so she went home.
Soph
August 31st, 2009
12:02 am
Actually that one was disgusting
That too, jeffrey.
Soph
August 31st, 2009
12:04 am
Joke’s on you, I’ve never been to Disney World and neither has my mom!