I don’t disagree with you, but that’s example number 94,582,283,450 of why errors are stupid. A more rangy outfielder gets to that ball quicker. If you just suck and can’t get there you aren’t charged with an error, though. How is this useful?
Error on GA or not, Chipper’s lack of focus and Prado’s inexperience playing 1st cost JJ and the Braves big time. Of course, if I’m Prado then I’m hesitant to stick my arm out in front of a charging runner risking breaking my arm to, so…
Jake W. I thought (even at the time – if you want to look it up, you can), that we could have recieved a ML ready “stop gap” bat for Flowers, not a pitcher. That being said, I understand that without trading for Vazquez, perhaps Lowe and KK don’t sign. So I get it.
BRAVES DEFENSE SHOWS UP TO RUIN THE DAY (sigh)
My point about the pitching is as follows. It is really elementary. We have gone 14-12 with Vazquez’s INCREDIBLE performance this year. He really has surpassed what I expected of him. For that he deserves credit.
So, let’s assume that in a worst case scenario, the team would have lost ALL of his starts (when was the last time that has happened to a spot in anybody’s rotation?). That gives us 14 more losses.
Do you not think having a guy like Ibanez or Abreu (yeah, I know they were free agents – which is why Wren needed to TRADE for a bat, not rely on free agency), wouldn’t have made the difference in around 14 more wins along the way since we’ve literally had zero production from the cleanup spot (not to mention Chipper’s down year)??
In the end, I think we maybe lose another 6 or 7 games with “another” starter (say Medlen) in Vazquez’ spot, and win more than 6 or 7 more games with a big bopper in the middle of the lineup.
I stand by what I’ve said all along. We could have used a big bat, rather than Vazquez. Despite his numbers and ERA.
The ONLY factor that I’m willing to concede in having Vazquez, is that he’s an innings eater (when Bobby allows him to be – early in the year he was pulling him too early, imo). With a guy like Medlen, the team’s W-L results might not have been much different than the 14-12, but the taxing of the bullpen more than likely would have been.
Like I said. It’s the same argument I’ve been using since December of last year, and I stand by it. Unless you think us scoring 1 run off of Joe Blanton in the middle of a wild-card chase is “acceptable”?
Pathetic – this team just doesn’t have it. Chipper needs to wake the heck up – he looks like he is sleeping on the job. Take a day or two off or something – his lack of energy is a drain on the team and he is just sloppy. Oh well – Mad Men is on anyway.
thats because garret constantly gives up runs and doesn’t make catches that pretty much a normal outfielder could. happens way to often. don’t start that crap sir.
Chipper’s contract is what happens when GM’s get emotional. Wren was ruthless with Smoltz and Glavine, but got soft with Chipper. A GM must be cold and leave his emotions at home.
Hell, even if Garrett catches the ball its still 2-1 right now. The play that killed the inning was Chipper’s. And again, how do you get surprised by a bunt in that situation?
Francoeur and Jerrgins..What a way to lose…..New gay sports bar opening in Atlanta, Saddlescores, Wash the men too. Tell your boss to pay you in singles.
Heath….
Very good point. Blanton pitched well, but he is not someone we should have only managed one run on 3 hits… Offense may have cost us this one, but still time left to make up for it… GOOD START MATTY.
whats up with the umpiring… for about a week now i dont know whats a ball or strike anymore… its like they call it when their ready for dramatic effect…
Wow, the Braves collapse late in a game against a team that they have to beat, what a f’n surprise.. Garret Anderson couldn’t make that catch? I have seen little league players make that catch in the LL World Series tournament this year..
Not only is Chipper struggling at the plate at the most critical time of the season, but he makes a stupid throw that allows two guys to get into scoring position, and they both ended up scoring.. He should have held on to that ball, and the Braves could have tried for a DP, but now the game is over.. THANKS FOR BLOWING ANOTHER SERIES!! I KNEW I COULD TRUST YOU TO SCREW UP AGAIN!!
Incredible…I always said, our defense would kill us. Sorry….it has gotten better with Prado, but still…we have a ground out type pitcher…not strikeout pitchers so our infield has to be fine and perfect! it is not!
Paul L., I totally agree with your assesment of the Smoltz/KJ comparison. It’s apples and organges regarding their talent level. Smoltz is a hall of fame pitcher, and KJ can’t even hold down a starting job.
Hugh Jazz, the only reason I can think that ESPN is “licking Philly balls” is because they think everybody just watching a ‘baseball game’ is interested in the defending world champs. That network is so predictable, it’s disgusting.
According to Joe Morgan, the home plate ump is Lance Berkman. I guess he has the day off from the Astros. The home plate ump was supposed to be Lance Barksdale, but apparently Lance Berkman is filling in. Because Joe Morgan is never wrong.
It’s like the Marlins and Braves are conjoined. Neither can shake the other. Probably going to enter this four-game series tied again, barring some late developments here.
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Tiger Woods
August 30th, 2009
10:00 pm
We are fine we are getting at least 1 back this inning. Come down to getting one on Lidge.
Soph
August 30th, 2009
10:00 pm
Teams are gonna score more than one run usually, our bats are going to HAVE to step up.
Offense, do something! Stop putting our pitchers through this constant pressure of having to pitch a shutout to win.
Jaglawyer
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
Nice to know Idiot Joe Morgan is going to keep the hit “a double” in his book. This guy needs to get the boot ala Joe Theismann and Paul Maguire …
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
Wow. Remember a couple of years ago when we had the OF that covered more grass than kudzu?
These stiffs let the kudzu grow over them, they’re so slow and inept.
pryguy
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
What’s more depressing about Chipper’s play right now, the field or the bat?
Chong
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
curtis jones – Rosie O’Donnell could have gotten to that ball and she would have held on to it.
Only if it had mustard and ketchup on it.
Heath
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
As bad as that inning was…still not the defense or the pitching to blame. The Braves had a hittable pitcher facing them, and well, didn’t.
PWHjort
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
Loaf did the best he could, they’re right.
I don’t disagree with you, but that’s example number 94,582,283,450 of why errors are stupid. A more rangy outfielder gets to that ball quicker. If you just suck and can’t get there you aren’t charged with an error, though. How is this useful?
TnBrian
August 30th, 2009
10:01 pm
Error on GA or not, Chipper’s lack of focus and Prado’s inexperience playing 1st cost JJ and the Braves big time. Of course, if I’m Prado then I’m hesitant to stick my arm out in front of a charging runner risking breaking my arm to, so…
curtis jones
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Gotta get “younger than Garret” in LF? Well, let’s see, the list would include Lonnie Smith, Otis Nixon, Rico Carty….
Paul Lentz
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
In my 9:59pm posting, I meant to say that “Frank Wren needs to get someone who can play some strong 3rd base”.
N8
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Jake W. I thought (even at the time – if you want to look it up, you can), that we could have recieved a ML ready “stop gap” bat for Flowers, not a pitcher. That being said, I understand that without trading for Vazquez, perhaps Lowe and KK don’t sign. So I get it.
BRAVES DEFENSE SHOWS UP TO RUIN THE DAY (sigh)
My point about the pitching is as follows. It is really elementary. We have gone 14-12 with Vazquez’s INCREDIBLE performance this year. He really has surpassed what I expected of him. For that he deserves credit.
So, let’s assume that in a worst case scenario, the team would have lost ALL of his starts (when was the last time that has happened to a spot in anybody’s rotation?). That gives us 14 more losses.
Do you not think having a guy like Ibanez or Abreu (yeah, I know they were free agents – which is why Wren needed to TRADE for a bat, not rely on free agency), wouldn’t have made the difference in around 14 more wins along the way since we’ve literally had zero production from the cleanup spot (not to mention Chipper’s down year)??
In the end, I think we maybe lose another 6 or 7 games with “another” starter (say Medlen) in Vazquez’ spot, and win more than 6 or 7 more games with a big bopper in the middle of the lineup.
I stand by what I’ve said all along. We could have used a big bat, rather than Vazquez. Despite his numbers and ERA.
The ONLY factor that I’m willing to concede in having Vazquez, is that he’s an innings eater (when Bobby allows him to be – early in the year he was pulling him too early, imo). With a guy like Medlen, the team’s W-L results might not have been much different than the 14-12, but the taxing of the bullpen more than likely would have been.
Like I said. It’s the same argument I’ve been using since December of last year, and I stand by it. Unless you think us scoring 1 run off of Joe Blanton in the middle of a wild-card chase is “acceptable”?
K_Chub
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Pathetic – this team just doesn’t have it. Chipper needs to wake the heck up – he looks like he is sleeping on the job. Take a day or two off or something – his lack of energy is a drain on the team and he is just sloppy. Oh well – Mad Men is on anyway.
Tiger Woods
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
curtis
thats because garret constantly gives up runs and doesn’t make catches that pretty much a normal outfielder could. happens way to often. don’t start that crap sir.
Chris
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
What is Chippers injury?
Rob from SC
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Chipper’s contract is what happens when GM’s get emotional. Wren was ruthless with Smoltz and Glavine, but got soft with Chipper. A GM must be cold and leave his emotions at home.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
All for Infante playing third say “AYE!”
AYE!
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
chipper and loaf hopefully make up for their errors with thier bats..
Mitchell
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Wow, even DOB is saying it’s over.
A good team would come back. They have to be able to do something for F’s sake.
chilidog75
August 30th, 2009
10:02 pm
Hell, even if Garrett catches the ball its still 2-1 right now. The play that killed the inning was Chipper’s. And again, how do you get surprised by a bunt in that situation?
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Error against Garret changed to double, one run now earned in that inning.
chilidog75
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Francoeur and Jerrgins..What a way to lose…..New gay sports bar opening in Atlanta, Saddlescores, Wash the men too. Tell your boss to pay you in singles.
Witch Doctor Soriano
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Sucky defense
Count de Monet
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
I had a bad feeling last night when they scored 9 runs. I figured they would be offensively challenged tonight. Hope they put Lidge in the game.
bigdave
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
that’ll work.
Hugh Jazz
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
1-2-3 inning folks. 3 hits tonight…pathetic.
Gov Clinton Tyree
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Way to take one for the team, Matty.
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
come on Prado…another hr out to left!
Rob from SC
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Our D could go from horrible to awesome next year if Heyward and Schafer are ready.
RHR
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Saving Matty from the 0-fer and the blog curse.
BIOMASS
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
GD Anderson!. Has there been a more disinterested outfielder?
This is my fault. I was happily watching the Bronco game, and changed channels to watch the Braves. All my fault.
pryguy
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
Heath….
Very good point. Blanton pitched well, but he is not someone we should have only managed one run on 3 hits… Offense may have cost us this one, but still time left to make up for it… GOOD START MATTY.
Kurdt Kobain
August 30th, 2009
10:03 pm
we have a baserunner. we’re in business
Paul Lentz
August 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
It’s time for the offense to be clutch. We have the top of our order coming up.
McFann Ô
August 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
They changed it to a DOUBLE???
Right. That makes a ton of sense. And that play Utley made in game 2 of the season remained an error…
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
Wonder if the Rangers will take Chipper for Blaylock straight up???
chilidog75
August 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
Well, at least Blanton didnt give the home plate umpire a fist bump.
Soph
August 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
Blanton giving props to the ump. Kind of unusual…
Hugh Jazz
August 30th, 2009
10:04 pm
ESPN has been licking the Phillies balls ALL NIGHT. It is getting f*cking annoying.
bigdave
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
whats up with the umpiring… for about a week now i dont know whats a ball or strike anymore… its like they call it when their ready for dramatic effect…
CaliChopper
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
Isn’t that like a fist bump?
BravesfaninWis
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
Wow, the Braves collapse late in a game against a team that they have to beat, what a f’n surprise.. Garret Anderson couldn’t make that catch? I have seen little league players make that catch in the LL World Series tournament this year..
Not only is Chipper struggling at the plate at the most critical time of the season, but he makes a stupid throw that allows two guys to get into scoring position, and they both ended up scoring.. He should have held on to that ball, and the Braves could have tried for a DP, but now the game is over.. THANKS FOR BLOWING ANOTHER SERIES!! I KNEW I COULD TRUST YOU TO SCREW UP AGAIN!!
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
ok,forget the hr…just slap a single to right…or walk…
Paul Lentz
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
This would be a GREAT TIME for Chipper to atone for his error.
chilidog75
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
I’m thinkin you guys can probably tell which posts are actually mine and which posts are from the kid in middle school.
VENEZUELA
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
Incredible…I always said, our defense would kill us. Sorry….it has gotten better with Prado, but still…we have a ground out type pitcher…not strikeout pitchers so our infield has to be fine and perfect! it is not!
bigdave
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
atone. atone. Chip…
RHR
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
Marteeeennnnn
Soph
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
Marteeeeeeen!
Come on Chipper – do something productive.
ChurchMan
August 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
no inning killers Chipper!
pryguy
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Here we go!! Let’s keep this going…just no HOMERUN, don’t wanna kill this rally.
Gov Clinton Tyree
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Yeah, baby. Go Marteen.
Cmon, Chipper. If you have anything left in the tank, now would be a good time to burn it.
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Now Chipper gets a chance to make amends. . .
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
Kurdt Kobain
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
2 on, no out! time to redeem yourself, Chipper. you owe JJ
Mitchell
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Come on Chipper dammit!
Let’s go.
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
ok….there ya go!! ok chipper…this is what you get paid to do!! heart of the order up…need to get these runs in!
VENEZUELA
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
CHIPPPERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR this is an MVP type situation!
Rob from SC
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Bunt with Chipper
SRF
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
please chip
Fred
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Paul L., I totally agree with your assesment of the Smoltz/KJ comparison. It’s apples and organges regarding their talent level. Smoltz is a hall of fame pitcher, and KJ can’t even hold down a starting job.
Tiger Woods
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
here we go baby. when we come back this inning just go look at my previous posts please. B-mac 3-run homer here.
RHR
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
I agree with the call, I don’t think that should have been an error either. Damn. Tough crowd. What more could he have done?
TnBrian
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Hugh Jazz, the only reason I can think that ESPN is “licking Philly balls” is because they think everybody just watching a ‘baseball game’ is interested in the defending world champs. That network is so predictable, it’s disgusting.
Soph
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
chilidog – yes we can, don’t worry.
VENEZUELA
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
lets see if he is worth his extension and all that big money!
bigdave
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
get to this guy before we see Park
Efrim
August 30th, 2009
10:06 pm
Can’t re-sign Anderson. We need to get younger in LF
How about just better?
curtis jones
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
According to Joe Morgan, the home plate ump is Lance Berkman. I guess he has the day off from the Astros. The home plate ump was supposed to be Lance Barksdale, but apparently Lance Berkman is filling in. Because Joe Morgan is never wrong.
VENEZUELA
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY late on fastballs!
Chopdawg
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
“The right-hander’s loosened up…”–Steve Phillips
Rob from SC
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
Chip can’t hit a fastball right now
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
he’s way late on these fastballs…hopefully he runs into one here…
Chong
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
3 run banana shaped arch please
MiaBchBravesFan
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
Pitch #2 – Chipper makes a meatball out of that just two seasons ago.
VENEZUELA
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
fastballs right by him!!!
JayDubu
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
Mac his due…he’s 1 for 11 in this series!
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
It’s like the Marlins and Braves are conjoined. Neither can shake the other. Probably going to enter this four-game series tied again, barring some late developments here.
CaliChopper
August 30th, 2009
10:07 pm
Wow, amazing espn got a error ruling changed, now thats power
VENEZUELA
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
WOW! Chipper looks horrendoussssssss
Soph
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
I don’t even wanna hit refresh if Chipper doesn’t do anything here.
Jurrjens4NLCY {Knoble.MLBlogs.com}
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Chipper don’t screw up! If you do, I’ll kill you!
Gov Clinton Tyree
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Chipper’s hunched over, curling his hands over the bat…his posture looks terrible.
jackets77
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
come on chipper!!
You Know Who
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
**%& you, Rob from SC!
PWHjort
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
This would be a GREAT TIME for Chipper to atone for his error.
As long as he doesn’t kill the rally with a homer.
David O'Brien
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
late developments like THAT, for instance…
bigdave
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
good shyt. CHip!!!
pryguy
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
I LOVE YOU CHIPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soph
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Wooooooooh! Great job Chipper!
ChurchMan
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
well, it’s one but it’ll have to work chipper
Tiger Woods
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
LETS GO CHOP CHOP!!!!!
Gov Clinton Tyree
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
YES!!!!!! Diaz, you’re an animal!
Chong
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
wow!!
The_Superhoo
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Good baserunning by both runners!
Hugh Jazz
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Oh my God, Chipper did something.
Heath
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Nice…. come on Mac!!!
curtis jones
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
If we had 9 Matt Diaz’s in the batting order….
RHR
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Suck it haters!
Way to hustle Matty D! I don’t think anyone else on our team coulda scored there lol.
chilidog75
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Another rope by Chipper Jones!
And Marteeen, it wouldnt be a bad idea to get to third on that, big guy.
Kurdt Kobain
August 30th, 2009
10:08 pm
Yes! Chipper! Hahaha good hustle, Matty D!
I believe!